NZ National emblem, the Kiwi. Not from Australia, apparently

[bob10]

It is said the collective sigh of relief could be heard from Mt Wellington, Tas. Bob


Kiwis don't have Aussie roots › News in Science (ABC Science) (http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2014/05/23/4008264.htm'site=science&topic=latest)

[ramblingboy42]

I thought they all wanted to come here to live , while maintaining that NZ is the best country in the world.

Oh well , they will soon have their chance of becoming permanent Australians when NZ becomes our next state.

I think it sounds really good.....New Zealand, AUSTRALIA.

[85 county]

I thought they all wanted to come here to live , while maintaining that NZ is the best country in the world.

Oh well , they will soon have their chance of becoming permanent Australians when NZ becomes our next state.

I think it sounds really good.....New Zealand, AUSTRALIA.

God some Australians are so arrogant and ignorant
As well as racist

Just look at the stats, Bloody aussies hiding in NZ on the Dole. Kiwis cant get the dole in australia, DOOFFFF

[85 county]

It is said the collective sigh of relief could be heard from Mt Wellington, Tas. Bob


Kiwis don't have Aussie roots › News in Science (ABC Science) (http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2014/05/23/4008264.htm'site=science&topic=latest)

Typical aussie reporting

The Kiwi is NOT the national new Zealand emblem.

And who actually cares what happened 50 million years ago.

[stevo]

lately the number of Kiwi's heading home out numbers the amount coming over

[sashadidi]

EDITED

OK fair enough so why should Ozzies get the dole in New Zealand then.......or is it just a one sided view you have....

[ramblingboy42]

God some Australians are so arrogant and ignorant
As well as racist

Just look at the stats, Bloody aussies hiding in NZ on the Dole. Kiwis cant get the dole in australia, DOOFFFF

be careful what you say 85 county

calling me arrogant , ignorant and racist is quite a personal attack and completely unnecessary following my comments.

[sheerluck]

be careful what you say 85 county

calling me arrogant , ignorant and racist is quite a personal attack and completely unnecessary following my comments.

Agree. Uncalled for.

I never cease to be amazed how quickly some people can ratchet up the tone of their posts.

[Bigbjorn]

OK fair enough so why should Ozzies get the dole in New Zealand then.......or is it just a one sided view you have....

If not granted a permanent residency visa then they should not. Does the NZ govt. allow this payment? Does Australia reimburse NZ under the reciprocity agreement as is done with some pensions? I don't know. Morally if they are temporary residents or on a holiday then they should not be entitled to such payments.

[85 county]

Agree. Uncalled for.

I never cease to be amazed how quickly some people can ratchet up the tone of their posts.



be careful what you say 85 county

calling me arrogant , ignorant and racist is quite a personal attack and completely unnecessary following my comments.

but if it was said of any other country it would be openly regarded as stated, thus you are racist, your comments are based on a lack of knowledge IE look at the numbers first. thus you are Ignorant. worse you posted such silly comments, thus you are arrogant.

[85 county]

And it was about bloody time too. I worked at Social Security and can assure you that staff heartily loathed Kiwis.

i suspect the feeling was mutual. and i guess that you worked there like about 30 years ago

[85 county]

OK fair enough so why should Ozzies get the dole in New Zealand then.......or is it just a one sided view you have....

because NZ has one system. you are either resident or not. if you are resident then you pay taxes and have access to the support system.

Australia you can be resident for tax purposes and not for any thing else,
Regardless of you visa status

IE Australians do not need a visa for NZ.

The big game at the moment is assizes disappearing to NZ to skip out on child support payments ( there is an agreement in place) and the dole with benefits is much better than Australia. also the economy is pumping atm

[korg20000bc]

but if it was said of any other country it would be openly regarded as stated, thus you are racist, your comments are based on a lack of knowledge IE look at the numbers first. thus you are Ignorant. worse you posted such silly comments, thus you are arrogant.
Is "New Zealander" a race?

[sheerluck]

Is "New Zealander" a race?

No. However, in some legal systems, racial discrimination (note - not racism) can be on the basis of one's nationality.

However, there is no racism, or racial discrimination in what ramblingboy42 has written. No New Zealanders have been discriminated against or disadvantaged.

Learn what the bloody word means before spouting it in a forum.

[korg20000bc]

No. However, in some legal systems, racial discrimination (note - not racism) can be on the basis of one's nationality.

However, there is no racism, or racial discrimination in what ramblingboy42 has written. No New Zealanders have been discriminated against or disadvantaged.

Learn what the bloody word means before spouting it in a forum.
You talkin' to me?

[sheerluck]

You talkin' to me?

No I wasn't. :D

[tomatoes4all]

Clarification: Kiwi's are in Australia on a SCV (special category visa), which allows them unlimited entry, allows them to work, pay tax and have access to MediCare. However, Kiwi's can NEVER achieve permanent residency status (that's the SCV), nor become Australian citizens, hence no old age pension, DOLE or special treatment (like the assistance payments after the Queensland floods). Kiwi kids are also considered foreign students, so Uni tuition etc needs to be paid up-front.
NZ becoming another state of Australia? Don't think it will happen soon....
For all Aussies bagging Kiwi's indiscriminately: this shows your ignorance. Not as a nation, but certainly as an individual.
Enjoy your day! (regardless of which side of the Tasman Sea you were born on).

[1976_michelle]

I'd rather have NZers take up citizenship here than some others who do..

Why do our laws discriminate against them?

[tomatoes4all]

There was a lot of abuse of rights, especially regarding the DOLE, in the 1990ies. The Howard Government changed the rules, but went too far.
Regarding the rights of Australian Kiwis and their predicament see

Home - Oz Kiwi (http://www.ozkiwi2001.org/)

Cheers.

[slug_burner]

I'd rather have NZers take up citizenship here than some others who do..

Why do our laws discriminate against them?

It is probably only the case if you come in on an SCV.

[bob10]

Geeez, fellas, settle down. This was meant to be taken tongue in cheek. I have met some terrific Kiwis. At least, after the rugby match. Bob :p

[85 county]

No. However, in some legal systems, racial discrimination (note - not racism) can be on the basis of one's nationality.

However, there is no racism, or racial discrimination in what ramblingboy42 has written. No New Zealanders have been discriminated against or disadvantaged.

Learn what the bloody word means before spouting it in a forum.

maybe you should cheack your facts before spouting in a forum.
Legal

The UN does not define "racism"; however, it does define "racial discrimination": According to the United Nations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia,

the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(classification_of_human_beings)), colour, Cultural heritage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, or national or Ethnic group - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia origin that has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of Human rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.[25] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism#cite_note-25)
This definition does not make any difference between discrimination based on Ethnic group - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and race (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(classification_of_human_beings)), in part because the distinction between the two remains debatable among Anthropology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.[26] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism#cite_note-26) Similarly, in British law the phrase racial group means "any group of people who are defined by reference to their race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin".[27] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism#cite_note-27)
In Norway, the word "race" has been removed from national laws concerning discrimination as the use of the phrase is considered problematic and unethical.[28] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism#cite_note-28)[29] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism#cite_note-29) The Norwegian Anti-Discrimination Act bans discrimation based on ethnicity, national origin, descent and skin colour.[30] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism#cite_note-30)

[85 county]

Geeez, fellas, settle down. This was meant to be taken tongue in cheek. I have met some terrific Kiwis. At least, after the rugby match. Bob :p

but Bob you are difrent to most Aussies, you can read and do so. even if you are wrong, you still read and learn.

most aussies just beleve the rubbish there pollies spit out to get a vote. tiping at windmills comes to mind

[Ausfree]

Aussies and Kiwis have been "Bothers in Arms" in many a war, we have always watched each others back and I tell you what, I would rather have a Kiwi as a neighbour than some other nationalities.:)

Anyrate, why would NZ want to be part of Australia, all our politicians want to do is flog it off or dig it up and sell it cheaply to the Chinese. I'm sure the NZ pollies are smarter than that.

By the way I'm a born and bred Aussie, in case you are wondering.:)

[discovery39]

Yeah, they Bother me too.....:p

[bob10]

but Bob you are difrent to most Aussies, you can read and do so. even if you are wrong, you still read and learn.

most aussies just beleve the rubbish there pollies spit out to get a vote. tiping at windmills comes to mind


That is such arrogant rubbish, you really are an annoying flea, sometimes. Meant in the nicest possible way. I had a friend like you once , thought he knew it all, kept an open mind, problem is, the common sense leaked out.
:p A slightly annoyed Bob.

[sheerluck]

maybe you should cheack your facts before spouting in a forum......

Now that's pure gold. Actually agreeing with what I wrote, and then making out I got it wrong :Rolling:

I suggest you re-read what you wrote to ramblingboy42, and then re-read my post. At the moment you're looking a bit of a goose.

[85 county]

Now that's pure gold. Actually agreeing with what I wrote, and then making out I got it wrong :Rolling:

I suggest you re-read what you wrote to ramblingboy42, and then re-read my post. At the moment you're looking a bit of a goose.

the point is ramblingboy42's post was based on national origin.

so his post is racest, and not as you claim

[Ausfree]

Uh,oh!!!

[robbotd5]

For god's sake. I'm so sick of bleeding heart wowsers like you 85 county. Take a chill pill followed with a concrete pill washed Down with some Lion Red.
Sick of the racist card being thrown up. In case you are not aware, Bob is our "poster of interesting tidbits" so if you don't like something he posts, don't read it!!!. I consider NZ as a friendly place where Aussies are welcome and vice versa. One of my best mates is a Kiwi and we always take the **** out of each other and it never gets messy. So grow up and get over it.
Regards
Robbo

[AndyG]

Once again an interesting topic hijacked by GOM and SOF's:mad:

I hope your chooks turn into emus and kick all your dunnies down. :p

[discovery39]

For god's sake. I'm so sick of bleeding heart wowsers like you 85 county. Take a chill pill followed with a concrete pill washed Down with some Lion Red.
Sick of the racist card being thrown up. In case you are not aware, Bob is our "poster of interesting tidbits" so if you don't like something he posts, don't read it!!!. I consider NZ as a friendly place where Aussies are welcome and vice versa. One of my best mates is a Kiwi and we always take the **** out of each other and it never gets messy. So grow up and get over it.
Regards
Robbo

You need to chill out mate. What's with the personal attacks.
No wonder the mods crack it with us!
Chill out man, go and have a ciggy or a drink, or whatever it is you do.

[85 county]

[QUOTE=robbotd5;2152658]For god's sake. I'm so sick of bleeding heart wowsers like you 85 county. Take a chill pill followed with a concrete pill washed Down with some Lion Red.
Sick of the racist card being thrown up.

Then do not condone racist comments. you try spending all-day being called a sheep shagger and a dole bludger and see how you handle it


In case you are not aware, Bob is our "poster of interesting tidbits" so if you don't like something he posts, don't read it!!!.

i have a lot of repect for Bob10. maybe you should read my post again

I consider NZ as a friendly place where Aussies are welcome and vice versa.

Well that’s where you are wrong, its mostly one way as far as your government is concerned

One of my best mates is a Kiwi and we always take the **** out of each other and it never gets messy. So grow up and get over it.
Regards
Robbo

well he is you mate, so good on both of you. he knows you and you know him. as it should be.

[ramblingboy42]

we can make it interesting again.

I was in NZ recently and enjoyed my time there.

learned about the chinese gooseberries and their intinerate picking and packing workforce.

learned about Manuka honey, we now buy it.

saw a house get condemned because a steam vent opened up under their kitchen and nearly blew the place up.

fascinating place

[85 county]

we can make it interesting again.

I was in NZ recently and enjoyed my time there.

learned about the chinese gooseberries and their intinerate picking and packing workforce.

learned about Manuka honey, we now buy it.

saw a house get condemned because a steam vent opened up under their kitchen and nearly blew the place up.

fascinating place

best place for a steam vent to open up is the kitchen, saves on the power bill.

ahhhh Manuka, or teatree. uuummmm did you try clover, Hard white honey

[robbotd5]

Personal attacks.....where? I don't know where I did that. If you get so steamed up over such a trivial subject then you are a bleeding heart wowser. As for the sheep shagged thing, it did not originate here, it is an old insult from the English leveled at the Scot's. So don't feel too bad.
There will always be a friendly rivalry between our two countries so let's keep it that way ok!!
Regards
Robbo

[ramblingboy42]

no but you can get it in spf 5, 8, 15, 50

the number I think represents the cost of the jar in dollars......

[discovery39]

Personal attacks.....where? I don't know where I did that. If you get so steamed up over such a trivial subject then you are a bleeding heart wowser. As for the sheep shagged thing, it did not originate here, it is an old insult from the English leveled at the Scot's. So don't feel too bad.
There will always be a friendly rivalry between our two countries so let's keep it that way ok!!
Regards
Robbo

Another personal attack. You're on fire mate. Don't stop now.

[robbotd5]

Another personal attack. You're on fire mate. Don't stop now.
Gee I'm soooo sorry I have offended you.

[discovery39]

Gee I'm soooo sorry I have offended you.

Just going by the rules mate.

[85 county]

Another personal attack. You're on fire mate. Don't stop now.


Gee I'm soooo sorry I have offended you.

Looks like he did what you told him to do
He probably has no idea that accusing some one of the illegal act of Bestiality is in itself a criminal offence.

[robbotd5]

You two are unbelievable.
Good night.
Regards
Robbo

[discovery39]

You two are unbelievable.
Good night.
Regards
Robbo

Thanks for playing.:cool:

[85 county]

You two are unbelievable.
Good night.
Regards
Robbo

Good night

OH mate i case you didnt know. the little green light beside your name, it turns off when you have actualy gone

[bob10]

For god's sake. I'm so sick of bleeding heart wowsers like you 85 county. Take a chill pill followed with a concrete pill washed Down with some Lion Red.
Sick of the racist card being thrown up. In case you are not aware, Bob is our "poster of interesting tidbits" so if you don't like something he posts, don't read it!!!. I consider NZ as a friendly place where Aussies are welcome and vice versa. One of my best mates is a Kiwi and we always take the **** out of each other and it never gets messy. So grow up and get over it.
Regards
Robbo


Don't be too hard on old 85, I'm beginning to warm to him. I think he is just hard to understand. . he's ok by me. Bob

[London Boy]

No. However, in some legal systems, racial discrimination (note - not racism) can be on the basis of one's nationality.

However, there is no racism, or racial discrimination in what ramblingboy42 has written. No New Zealanders have been discriminated against or disadvantaged.
In the Australian legal system, racial discrimination includes discrimination on the basis of national or ethnic origin. You also have to consider the provisions against vilification which are also part of the racial discrimination act. So it is not so simple to say that no New Zealanders have been discriminated against. Some of what I've read in this thread looks a lot like it would fit the definition, if anyone wanted to make something of it.

[korg20000bc]

Too many mother 'uckers - Flight of the Conchords - YouTube

[bob10]

Typical aussie reporting

The Kiwi is NOT the national new Zealand emblem.

And who actually cares what happened 50 million years ago.


Put the rum bottle away, sparrow. we need to readjust, If you actually read the link, you will see it is made in jest. Everyone should pick up their feathers & start again. Sheesh, take a deep breath , every one. Bob

[korg20000bc]

Then do not condone racist comments. you try spending all-day being called a sheep shagger and a dole bludger and see how you handle it



Are you a New Zealander then?

[85 county]

yes, came here directly from russia-china-laos-Thailand. So I have been out of NZ longer than I have been there.
Only came to aussie because its was the only English speaking country we ( family) could get visas for. IE no choice.

Now I cant leave because of Federal court rulings which reflect not only aussie laws but also un laws.

so in short im *****

[korg20000bc]

yes, came here directly from russia-china-laos-Thailand. So I have been out of NZ longer than I have been there.
Only came to aussie because its was the only English speaking country we ( family) could get visas for. IE no choice.

Now I cant leave because of Federal court rulings which reflect not only aussie laws but also un laws.

so in short im ******

You have committed the heinous sin of dodging the swear filter!

Beware the fates!

So, you didn't want to come here and now you cant leave here and its gotten right up your nose?

[85 county]

You have committed the heinous sin of dodging the swear filter!

Beware the fates!

So, you didn't want to come here and now you cant leave here and its gotten right up your nose?

you are reading it wrong. but think about the sanerio

[mikehzz]

You talkin' to me?

Did anyone else read that in a Robert De Niro voice? :D

[Ausfree]

Did anyone else read that in a Robert De Niro voice? :D

Yup.:) Just catching up on this Thread this morning, crikey it's been a wonkey old Thread.:) Very few of the posts are actually on subject!!!!:p

Going to be an interesting day methinks!!!!!:twisted:

[bob10]

Was there a full moon yesterday? I'm sure they took the water out of the beer at the footy club, could be a long day. :bangin:

[Ausfree]

I've got my drinks and popcorn ready,for the ride!!!!!:wasntme:

[olbod]

I actually like watching the NZ Netball team in action.
I think they are top sorts. ( oops, sorry Lou )
Not quite as spunky as our national team or my girls, the Firebirds but gotta lovem just the same, eh.

[Sandgroper]

yes, came here directly from russia-china-laos-Thailand. So I have been out of NZ longer than I have been there.
Only came to aussie because its was the only English speaking country we ( family) could get visas for. IE no choice.

Now I cant leave because of Federal court rulings which reflect not only aussie laws but also un laws.

so in short im *****



Why do you dislike us so much? What are you so angry about? I know plenty of Kiwis but I don't know any that come across as hating their adopted country as much as you.

[85 county]

Why do you dislike us so much? What are you so angry about? I know plenty of Kiwis but I don't know any that come across as hating their adopted country as much as you.

why do you assume i hate you so much??

What i do dislike is the lies, racism and the Australian laws designed to make life difficult for Kiwis in Australia, add to that the acceptance by Australians of such laws and the naivety of other’s
on the other hand I think I have losed much of my kiwiness since I have spent no time there in the last few decades, with that i have losed the ability to smile and think what a dickhead while being called a sheep shaggier.

its a bit like the SA and Victoria so called conflict. In SA there is always some slaging off of Victorians and Victoria. Meantime in Victoria the Victorians just don’t give hoot.

Its a bit like that between NZ and Australia. Australians are generally derogatory towards kiwis, this is also reflected in TV adds and popular media. Kiwis on the other hand just think the perpetrators of this are just fools.

Just as you posted why do I hate Australians so much. i don’t. But you must admit that Legally and in media Australia is not kiwi friendly

[AndyG]

A bit like this State of Origin B/s. They can't just enjoy the game they have to go feral/tribal.

Thank god for the thinking mans sport AFL

Here we go :p

[bob10]

I actually like watching the NZ Netball team in action.
I think they are top sorts. ( oops, sorry Lou )
Not quite as spunky as our national team or my girls, the Firebirds but gotta lovem just the same, eh.


Netball, I only watch it for the sporting prowess, [ and I love a woman in uniform] Bob
:angel:

[bob10]

A bit like this State of Origin B/s. They can't just enjoy the game they have to go feral/tribal.

Thank god for the thinking mans sport AFL

Here we go :p


Ah yes, a great game AFL. A pity it just can't go international. There is almost , like, a danger of it being in bred. But there is room for second string sports in our multi cultural society. The mainstream will accept all types of refugees. Bob
:twisted::D

[slug_burner]

Most people don't care, however if there is some sort of rivalry it is usually from the smaller country/state population and financially to the bigger, Canada/US, Wales/England, Scotland/England, NZ/Aus, etc. great pride to have defeated the old foe in some historic battle and on the sports field, always feel hard done by.

Don't get too carried away, as I said at the start most of us don't care. Certainly don't care to spend time, energy or money on stupid rivalry. More the fool you if you do.

[disco man]

A bit like this State of Origin B/s. They can't just enjoy the game they have to go feral/tribal.

Thank god for the thinking mans sport AFL

Here we go :p

AFL the only sport in the world were you still get a point for missing the bloody goal.

[Redback]

God some Australians are so arrogant and ignorant
As well as racist

Just look at the stats, Bloody aussies hiding in NZ on the Dole. Kiwis cant get the dole in australia, DOOFFFF

Well they have thought about a couple of times, becoming a state of Australia, they have had a few polls to see if the interest was there, somehow I think the Maori would put the brakes on that though, they got their independence from us(well NSW at the time) no point going back.

Learning what happened 50 million years ago helps see how things evolve.

Personally I think most of the talk between states and NZ is just taking the ****, please don't tell me we can't do that here anymore too:censored:

Baz.

[bob10]

Most people don't care, however if there is some sort of rivalry it is usually from the smaller country/state population and financially to the bigger, Canada/US, Wales/England, Scotland/England, NZ/Aus, etc. great pride to have defeated the old foe in some historic battle and on the sports field, always feel hard done by.

Don't get too carried away, as I said at the start most of us don't care. Certainly don't care to spend time, energy or money on stupid rivalry. More the fool you if you do.


You mean like this? Bob


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/05/213.jpg (http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-3cvPTId8XDg%2FT7xHsgQYnmI%2FAAAAAAAAAro%2FOyBxAiGi 4WA%2Fs1600%2Fgo%252Bqueensland.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fhillsinhollywoodchermside.b logspot.com%2F2012%2F05%2Forigin-game-2012-hills-in-hollywood.html&h=540&w=720&tbnid=X8Dp6ahOdzBoVM%3A&zoom=1&docid=t_b8641Tmf5esM&ei=dLaBU5PfJIKFkAWQ74GoAw&tbm=isch&ved=0CKYBEDMoODA4&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=1103&page=5&start=53&ndsp=15)

[Kev the Fridgy]

A bit like this State of Origin B/s. They can't just enjoy the game they have to go feral/tribal.

Thank god for the thinking mans sport AFL

Here we go :p



Aww.... I can't resist......QUEENSLANDER!!!!!
SOME ONE HAD TO DO IT:twisted:

[Ausfree]

Seeing as how this is basically a Queensland Forum, I guess I will cop some flack for saying......

GO YOU BLUES:p:p

Ducking for cover now!!!!!

[bob10]

Seeing as how this is basically a Queensland Forum, I guess I will cop some flack for saying......

GO YOU BLUES:p:p

Ducking for cover now!!!!!


No ,mate you are entitled to say that. Let me tell you my experience of Qld/ NSW rugby league. In the bad old days, there was no money in Qld for league players. If you were any good, you were offered a contract to play in Sydney. Then, in the NSW side, a large proportion of players were from Qld. So, Qlders were being beaten by Qlders. And the local comp was regarded as a bit of a joke by the Sydney press. This stuck in the craw of us north of the border, for many years. And, I'm not sure how long it will be, before we will say ley bygones be bygones, [ say, 100 years?:D] and remember, there has only been a couple of points in it , the last few games.


Let me relate a story from about 1968. My mates & I were on the hill at the SCG, eskies full of beer [ yep, you could then]watching Qld V NSW. NSW flogged QLD, there were about 150 people in the SCG watching. Without State of Origin, interstate rugby league would have died a slow death. Younger Qlders. may not know that history. But us old farts do. And, we will never forget Bob ;)

[stuee]

its a bit like the SA and Victoria so called conflict. In SA there is always some slaging off of Victorians and Victoria. Meantime in Victoria the Victorians just don’t give hoot.

Its a bit like that between NZ and Australia. Australians are generally derogatory towards kiwis, this is also reflected in TV adds and popular media. Kiwis on the other hand just think the perpetrators of this are just fools.

Just as you posted why do I hate Australians so much. i don’t. But you must admit that Legally and in media Australia is not kiwi friendly

Just a small correction, I'm pretty sure all states and territories other than Victoria slag off Victoria :D

I also disagree that we are kiwi unfriendly. But I'm getting a kick out of your rants so continue.

[V8Ian]

Seeing as how this is basically a Queensland Forum, I guess I will cop some flack for saying......

GO YOU BLUES:p:p

Ducking for cover now!!!!!
And well may you duck, Jim. :p

[85 county]

Just a small correction, I'm pretty sure all states and territories other than Victoria slag off Victoria :D

I also disagree that we are kiwi unfriendly. But I'm getting a kick out of your rants so continue.


if you disagree then why do your laws ( Australian) discriminate

[Lafia]

Well this thread makes me laugh. Speaking as an Aussie who has lived in NZ for about 9 years before moving back for family reasons, the Kiwis treated us very fairly - apart from the need to use a passport to cross the border, it's not much different to moving interstate really. We were entitled to virtually everything a Kiwi citizen was as far as I can tell. All the kids went to school as locals, they were eligible to attend uni and also the student loan system they run there. Which, by the way, educates their kids and then Australia benefits when they cross over the ditch to work here, particularly in jobs where we don't train enough of our own (doctors, nurse for example).

OK so I copped heaps of flak as I was easily identified by my accent, but it was all good fun and if only the Wallabies could've done a little better in the Bledisloe Cup........every year!

I've also lived in most states....in the West they complain about the "eastern-staters", in Tassie it's the "mainlanders" and in NQ it's the "bloody southerners" (which I think includes Brisbane most of the time). In NZ everyone in the provinces complains about the JAFA's (Aucklanders). And the JAFA's don't care just like NSW and Vic, because they think they are the centre of the world. So I think our values and theirs are pretty similar.

NZ is a great country. Australia is fabulous country but I am disappointed that we are so mean spirited in such petty ways to our Kiwi mates. Seems so small minded when we are so similar.

So, just to start another argument.....why don't we get rid of the states? Get rid of the blame games every year between Canberra and the states at COAG! And save some money!

Cheers

[Kev the Fridgy]

if you disagree then why do your laws ( Australian) discriminate



Which laws?....... State your facts bud

[digger]

AFL the only sport in the world were you still get a point for missing the bloody goal.

Rugby, the only sport (im aware of anyway) where you have one bloke trying desperately hard to push two blokes up three other blokes arses??

:o

(not to mention the in game prostate checking bloke????? )

Just saying!! :angel:

As for the rest of this thread Im out, not playing, chow!

(But even if I go, you all play nice now children!! :twisted:)

[Kev the Fridgy]

So, just to start another argument.....why don't we get rid of the states? Get rid of the blame games every year between Canberra and the states at COAG! And save some money!

Cheers



Well that would be silly wouldn't it, we QLD'ers would have to change the eligibility rules for State Of Origin again so we can keep winning...:wasntme:

[korg20000bc]

Rugby, the only sport (im aware of anyway) where you have one bloke trying desperately hard to push two blokes up three other blokes arses??

:o

(not to mention the in game prostate checking bloke????? )

Just saying!! :angel:

As for the rest of this thread Im out, not playing, chow!

(But even if I go, you all play nice now children!! :twisted:)

No, you're talking Rugby League not Rugby.


In Rugby one bloke pushes four up three.

Much more difficult.

[85 county]

Which laws?....... State your facts bud

already been stated, read back

[85 county]

Rugby, the only sport (im aware of anyway) where you have one bloke trying desperately hard to push two blokes up three other blokes arses??

:o

(not to mention the in game prostate checking bloke????? )

Just saying!! :angel:

As for the rest of this thread Im out, not playing, chow!

(But even if I go, you all play nice now children!! :twisted:)

John Hopoate (born 16 January 1974 in Nukuʻalofa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, Tonga - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) is a former professional Rugby league - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia footballer and boxer. He played club football for the Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manly-Warringah_Sea_Eagles), Wests Tigers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and Northern Eagles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia in the National Rugby League - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia competition. Hopoate also gained selection for Tonga national rugby league team - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, in the Australia national rugby league team - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and in the New South Wales rugby league team - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia State of Origin series - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia side. His usual position for most of his career was Wing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_league_positions#Wing). He is a former Australian heavyweight boxing champion.
Hopoate was born in Tonga - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, but moved to Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia with his family while he was still young. He subsequently took up the game of rugby league. Hopoate began his professional league career with the Manly-Warringah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manly-Warringah_Sea_Eagles) side while he was only nineteen years of age. Hopoate did not play as a regular first-grade player until two years later in 1995 where he showed his ability by scoring 21 tries, finishing second in the top try-scoring table to team-mate Steven Menzies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. After many controversies his reputation became greatly tarnished and his career continued on a downhill slide, seeing him become the "most suspended player of the modern era".[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hopoate#cite_note-3) A final incident in 2005 led to him being sacked and he retired from playing. He has since become a professional Boxing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. He is the father of Parramatta Eels - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia player William Hopoate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

During a 2001 clash with the North Queensland Cowboys - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, Hopoate, in an attempt to unsettle several of his opponents, inserted his finger in three players' Human anus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, the first occurring during the seventh minute of play. At the conclusion of the match the matter was immediately referred to the rugby league judiciary where a case was put forward from both sides on 28 March.
Hopoate claimed in front of the panel of judges that he was simply attempting to give all three players "a wedgie" with his fingers, denying he had done anything wrong and that he was "a great believer in what happens on the field should stay there".[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hopoate#cite_note-5)
The three victims in the case, Cowboys players Glenn Morrison - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, Peter Jones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Jones_(rugby_league)) and Paul Bowman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bowman_(rugby_league)) all disagreed with the reasoning put forward by Hopoate and his team. Jones stated, "It wasn't a wedgie. That's when your pants are pulled up your arse. I think I know the difference between a wedgie and someone sticking their finger up my bum", while Bowman stated that he was "disgusted" and "couldn't believe it."[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hopoate#cite_note-6)
Hopoate subsequently was charged with unlawful sexual connection in relation to the incident.

[Kev the Fridgy]

already been stated, read back



I did read back and all I read was opinionated hear say, nothing of substance in what you have written and indeed some errors in what some others have written, one post (not yours) comments that Kiwis cant gain citizenship, that's a crock for starters.


If you want to debate an issue bring on the facts.

[Lafia]

Well that would be silly wouldn't it, we QLD'ers would have to change the eligibility rules for State Of Origin again so we can keep winning...:wasntme:
But then the rules could be debated/thrashed out in the then unused Parliament House. In fact all state based sports teams could be head quartered there.....might be a more productive use of the joint!

[Redback]

GO THE TAHS

We flog QLD all the time:p

Baz.

[Naviguesser]

Hopoate did not play as a regular first-grade player until two years later in 1995 where he showed his ability by scoring 21 tries

You would think with all that trying he would achieve something :D

[Ausfree]

No ,mate you are entitled to say that. Let me tell you my experience of Qld/ NSW rugby league. In the bad old days, there was no money in Qld for league players. If you were any good, you were offered a contract to play in Sydney. Then, in the NSW side, a large proportion of players were from Qld. So, Qlders were being beaten by Qlders. And the local comp was regarded as a bit of a joke by the Sydney press. This stuck in the craw of us north of the border, for many years. And, I'm not sure how long it will be, before we will say ley bygones be bygones, [ say, 100 years?:D] and remember, there has only been a couple of points in it , the last few games.


Let me relate a story from about 1968. My mates & I were on the hill at the SCG, eskies full of beer [ yep, you could then]watching Qld V NSW. NSW flogged QLD, there were about 150 people in the SCG watching. Without State of Origin, interstate rugby league would have died a slow death. Younger Qlders. may not know that history. But us old farts do. And, we will never forget Bob ;)

I'm an old fart too, Bob. I know the history of the contest and remember well when it was the Cockroaches V the Canetoads. You don't see them being called that anymore!:)

[Ausfree]

And well may you duck, Jim. :p
Enough out of you young fella!!!:tease:

[Hogarthde]

From many prime minister's ago; Hawke to Langey ''What are you doing about the NZ people coming to Aus. ''? Langey '' Doesn't bother me , improves the I Q of both countries ''

[bob10]

I'm an old fart too, Bob. I know the history of the contest and remember well when it was the Cockroaches V the Canetoads. You don't see them being called that anymore!:)


Remember the cattledog call? Priceless. Tom lives up here now, but he is still a rabid NSW supporter. Who can forget Alfie Langer. You could write a book about him, but I will relate something that was in the Sunday Mail, in a interview with Trevor Gillmeister.


" One day at the Sydney football stadium, the referee told him three times to put the ball in the scrum . He wouldn't do it because he was looking at the TAB dividends on the big screen. I popped my head up and he said " Stuff it Gilly, I knew we should have backed that thing' Then he ran 20m and set Steve Renouf up for a try. Who does that? He could just switch on and off. " Bob

[bob10]

This thread certainly got out of control quickly, I'm amazed that a scientific report about a flightless bird could end up a trans Tasman slanging match. Judging from the replies, I would say no one opened the link to read the report, So here it is, Bob

:p
News in Science (http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/'site=science)


Kiwis don't have Aussie roots

Friday, 23 May 2014 Anna Salleh (http://www.abc.net.au/profiles/content/s2193248.htm'site=science)
ABC
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/05/185.jpg (http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201405/r1278264_17286254.jpg)Researchers have found an unexpected connection between the and the now-extinct elephant bird from Madagascar, which produced the largest eggs in the world [I](Source: Kyle Davis and Paul Scofield/)


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New Zealand origins The New Zealand kiwi bird's ancestors came from somewhere other than Australia, a new ancient DNA study has found.
The research undermines current wisdom about how flightless birds evolved, says Professor Alan Cooper of the University of Adelaide (http://www.adelaide.edu.au/).
The emu and cassowary in Australia and New Guinea, the kiwi in New Zealand, the ostrich in Africa, and the rhea in South America are so-called 'ratite birds', which have lost the bone that wing muscles can attach to.
Traditionally it was believed that each ratite bird lineage evolved through the split up of the ancient supercontinent of Gondwana.
Nearly two decades ago, an ancient DNA analysis of ratite birds carried out by Cooper for his PhD, found the closest living relative to the kiwi was the emu and the cassowary in Australia.
Given that New Zealand split off from Australia as part of the break up of Gondwana, this suggested the ancestors of kiwis had actually come from Australia.
"This was a huge psychological blow in New Zealand and extremely unpopular," says Cooper, a New Zealander himself.
"Ever since then there's been this huge national guilt that the national bird was in fact Australian."
Now, however, in a paper published in today's issue of Science (http://dx.doi.org/10.1126/science.1251981), Cooper and colleagues have set the record straight.
They have sequenced and analysed the mitochondrial genomes of two species of the now-extinct moa-like elephant bird from Madagascar and found that this giant herbivore is in fact the closest relative to the chicken-sized worm-eating kiwi.
The kiwi and elephant bird lineages separated about 50 to 60 million years ago, which is long after the continents came apart, says Cooper. Their relationship undermines the current idea that ratites evolved from a flightless ancestor and their evolution was driven by continental drift.
"The kiwi lineage had to get from Madagascar and clearly it must have flown because those two places were never joined," says Cooper.
"Clearly the ratites were flying when they dispersed."
Only after separating did each ratite lineage independently lose the ability to fly, says Cooper. And in most cases, they evolved into giant herbivores.
More importantly, says Cooper, the findings restore New Zealand's national pride.
"Twenty years later it's great to be able to show using ancient DNA that the kiwi is not an Australian bird. In fact its closest relative is the elephant bird from Madagascar," he says.
"The New Zealanders will be much more comfortable with that. It's their worst nightmare to be a derivative of Australia."
Exploiting a niche

Apart from the ratites, and the Australian Genyornis, flightless birds have only evolved on islands lacking mammalian predators.
Cooper and colleagues argue that ratites were able to evolve into large flightless herbivorous birds during a narrow evolutionary window just after the dinosaurs went extinct at 65 million years.
"When the dinosaurs went extinct it meant that the ecological niche for being a large vegetarian on the land was suddenly free because the only mammals around at the time were tree-dwelling rat-sized creatures," says Cooper.
"As far as we can tell, the ratites were flying around at that stage, landing on these different continents and finding that niche free, were rapidly expanding to become big flightless herbivores."
Once mammals increased in size about 50 million years ago, this evolutionary path was no longer an advantage as it made birds vulnerable to being eaten by mammals, he adds.
To survive mammalian predators large herbivorous ratites had to learn how to run very fast, says Cooper

[Redback]

I read it, I learnt something also, I didn't realise that scientist thought it originated from Australia, I assumed it evolved like Australian animals did from when we were joined as Gondwana.

From the artical it suggests the Emu evolved the same way, from an ancestor in Madagaskar and not here or did I read it wrong.

Baz.

[85 county]

From many prime minister's ago; Hawke to Langey ''What are you doing about the NZ people coming to Aus. ''? Langey '' Doesn't bother me , improves the I Q of both countries ''



Nope that was Muldoon on the exodus of Kiwis to Australia not Lange who was labor, Muldoon was national. He was PM for 9 years, Mr. think Big spend big, salary and wage caps as well as price capping.

It was of Muldoon that good kiwi parents sent there kids to aussie, because NZ was stuffed, sick of the cost of living the constant strikes and NZ was nearly broke. he was a 1 striper that be came an accountant.

Lange kicked him out, sold every thing he could, removed all taxes apart from PAYE and companies tax. Removed all import export taxes and substatys. Introduced GST at 10%. then said that’s enough time to stop for a cup of tea. he got back stabbed by his own party.

Took about 5 years but things came okish but changed NZ from the fat lazy attitudes to a have to work attitude. similar to what Australia is going though today. just in NZ it all happened in about 4 months. Australia is taking years. very painful days. But then i got more to stay at uni than the dole so it was not all bad

[bob10]

85, I must be sober. You are actually starting to make sense, to me. But what do you reckon about that skinny chook, with the egg? Don't they feed them over the ditch? Bob

[85 county]

85, I must be sober. You are actually starting to make sense, to me. But what do you reckon about that skinny chook, with the egg? Don't they feed them over the ditch? Bob

BOB10 you must be sober, but thanks for the opening anyway.

all i know about Kiwis

well all Kiwis eats roots and leaves. witch explains the overly large eggs and appendage.

This fact explained the Australian ribbing. since aussies only got a fat dog tail, and a pocket to hide there kit from there thieving crim mates

its just jealousy


now for a true story
Northern suburbs Adelaide 9:45 today

Fat assed aussie chick with steel in her face and a baby in her arms.
Are you a kiwi,
yes I am,
I can tell youknow you have an accent.
Sorry no I don’t have an accent but all Australians do that’s how I know your australin.
Metal faces partner. Mr VB with every second tooth pipes in. you ****en kiwis are all sheep sahagers ha ha ha.
Metel face joins in. yaaa you kiwis will **** anything.

I look at the baby, so what did you **** to make that?

Toothless, you cant say that that not good, im offended.

I say so what ,and have a nice day. Door is behind you I do not want do do business with you.

You cant say that

I just did

FFFFF Kiwis FFFF kiwis, etc

A prime example of Australians finest

[slug_burner]

No disrespect to anyone, if I was looking for Australia's finest I would not start in Adelaide northern suburbs so for you to have found them and from your description your idea of Australia's finest is different to mine.

[85 county]

No disrespect to anyone, if I was looking for Australia's finest I would not start in Adelaide northern suburbs so for you to have found them and from your description your idea of Australia's finest is different to mine.

are you disrespecting adelaides northen suburbs.

Mate i think you missed the point, way to littereral

[slug_burner]

It would not be the first time that I have taken a literal interpretation of a text based communication, to do otherwise can result in worst comment given the sensitivities expressed in this thread.

[85 county]

It would not be the first time that I have taken a literal interpretation of a text based communication, to do otherwise can result in worst comment given the sensitivities expressed in this thread.

everyone is guilty of that.

but read line 3 of my post and see if you get it

[bob10]

BOB10 you must be sober, but thanks for the opening anyway.

all i know about Kiwis

well all Kiwis eats roots and leaves. witch explains the overly large eggs and appendage.

This fact explained the Australian ribbing. since aussies only got a fat dog tail, and a pocket to hide there kit from there thieving crim mates




85, you are almost there. There is a sense of humour under that thick shell. Note I deleted the superfluous baggage. Here is a life 101, from my latest favourite singers, Bob


Keep On Smilin' - Lisa Mills & Cary Hudson - YouTube (http://youtu.be/1VHJKrP4lBw)

[85 county]

85, you are almost there. There is a sense of humour under that thick shell. Note I deleted the superfluous baggage. Here is a life 101, from my latest favourite singers, Bob


Keep On Smilin' - Lisa Mills & Cary Hudson - YouTube (http://youtu.be/1VHJKrP4lBw)

AHHH my sort of sound,,,,,, when i was like 19, needs an ounce, zigzag and beehive

[bob10]

AHHH my sort of sound,,,,,, when i was like 19, needs an ounce, zigzag and beehive


Well, that's a coincidence, I've just joined the Northside bee keepers club, and have arranged my first hive for August, with an ounce of luck, those bees will be zig zagging out of my back yard, making honey , some for them, some for me. How good is that!, BTW, look after yourself, hey, Life is good, Bob

[85 county]

:angel:
Well, that's a coincidence, I've just joined the Northside bee keepers club, and have arranged my first hive for August, with an ounce of luck, those bees will be zig zagging out of my back yard, making honey , some for them, some for me. How good is that!, BTW, look after yourself, hey, Life is good, Bob

is wondering if bob10 actually understood my post

beehive Australian translation = redhead

[bob10]

:angel:

is wondering if bob10 actually understood my post

beehive Australian translation = redhead


I was a child of the 70's [ although being in the military, never game enough, or interested enough, to actually get involved in the alternate culture. ] Serving with , & socialising with , American servicemen during the Vietnam War, this naïve country boy received an education, that is for sure. I believe I know the lingo. Thank goodness I did not investigate further than that. But, each to their own, Bob

[85 county]

I was a child of the 70's [ although being in the military, never game enough, or interested enough, to actually get involved in the alternate culture. ] Serving with , & socialising with , American servicemen during the Vietnam War, this naïve country boy received an education, that is for sure. I believe I know the lingo. Thank goodness I did not investigate further than that. But, each to their own, Bob
we are a decade apart