came home on a tilt tray tonight.....

[ramblingboy42]

front double cardan joint let go.

that's ok.....well within my capability to unbolt it and thrown it in the back and drive on .

yeah right....I didnt fit it last time , my mobile mech with arms like WWE wrestler bolted it up.....

I couldn't unbolt it and was rounding off the nuts.....

So, I called a tow truck......

while being put up on the truck about 1,000 toyotas must have driven past and looked intently.....

I'll be famous in their forum by now.....

[cinders]

That's when you need a sign saying 'fuel is too expensive, cheaper to get a tow'

[discovery39]

front double cardan joint let go.

that's ok.....well within my capability to unbolt it and thrown it in the back and drive on .

yeah right....I didnt fit it last time , my mobile mech with arms like WWE wrestler bolted it up.....

I couldn't unbolt it and was rounding off the nuts.....

So, I called a tow truck......

while being put up on the truck about 1,000 toyotas must have driven past and looked intently.....

I'll be famous in their forum by now.....

Excuse my ignorance. But what is a double carden joint?

[ramblingboy42]

www.discovery2.co.uk (http://www.discovery2.co.uk/)

[discovery39]

www.discovery2.co.uk (http://www.discovery2.co.uk/)

Yes, that's a link to a website where people love their Discos. Nice, but doesn't tell me what a double carden joint is?
I should have just googled it.

[ramblingboy42]

sorry the link should have given piccys

[stallie]

You were lucky - Mine let go at 110kmh on the Hume at night and put a hole in the bell housing. And took out the oil lines to the Gearbox. :censored:

And a double cardan joint is the bendy bit in the front driveshaft.

[discovery39]

You were lucky - Mine let go at 110kmh on the Hume at night and put a hole in the bell housing. And took out the oil lines to the Gearbox. :censored:

And a double cardan joint is the bendy bit in the front driveshaft.

Soooooo, a CV joint?

[ramblingboy42]

yeah, there wasn't much warning....

I had only had grumble up on the stands and did a thorough underbody check including greasing the shafts, checking play only a few weeks ago.....

I was only doing about 60 and felt a rumble.....which I actually thought was in the rear.

it hadnt fallen apart but when I couldn't unbolt it I chose to try and limp home very slowly but that didnt last long and it let go.

[ramblingboy42]

its a universal joint.

can somebody more skilled than I put a pic up for discovery39?

[dullbird]

Here you go

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/05/219.jpg

[drivesafe]

while being put up on the truck about 1,000 toyotas must have driven past and looked intently.....

I'll be famous in their forum by now.....

Don’t feel too bad about it mate, I have a high milage low odometer Range Rover.

It’s only done low driven kilometres but has a high milage total because of all the trips on the back of tow trucks.

It’s happened so many times I’ve been considering making up a canvas sign that I can fix to the back of it, while it's on a tow truck, saying “next time I will buy a Toyota”

[ramblingboy42]

thanks dullbird, mine will look like that possibly tuesday

[ramblingboy42]

good to see you can put some humour to it drivesafe.

funny thing , the towie said he owned a disco same as mine and owned it 3 years , during which time it suffered every fate known to disco owners.....he cut and ran.


but.....he said he rarely puts a Land Rover up on the back.

wouldn't commit to the most common, just said lots of others.

[discovery39]

its a universal joint.

can somebody more skilled than I put a pic up for discovery39?

Mate, if you had a real Land Rover, I wouldn't need a pic.;)

[scarry]

And on the other side of the coin,i have had Discos for 15 yrs now and never had one on a tilt tray,or had one towed due to a breakdown.

My brother has had a D1 since '94,also never been on a tilt tray or towed,same for the RR classic he had before that.

Had them badly bogged a couple of times and needed a snatch,but that is not the vehicles fault.....

The guy down the road that does towing reckons the european cars are the most common,but as said,not many LR's.

[Disco Muppet]

Mate, if you had a real Land Rover, I wouldn't need a pic.;)

Funny joke :D
Mine's been towed once and tilted once but that was my fault ;)
I had to cold chisel one of the nuts on mine as I rounded the nuts off, although they were already pretty crap looking.

[discovery39]

Funny joke :D
Mine's been towed once and tilted once but that was my fault ;)
I had to cold chisel one of the nuts on mine as I rounded the nuts off, although they were already pretty crap looking.

Ay Muppet, how ya been?
Why didn't ya grind, instead of cold chisel?

[MR LR]

Ay Muppet, how ya been?
Why didn't ya grind, instead of cold chisel?
He doesn't have a grinder :wasntme: :p :twisted:

[ramblingboy42]

I will also split mine with a cold chisel....

why? because I am tradesman.

grinders are for those who can't file, chisel and hacksaw.

oh, and also , when you've worked where I have last few years, you need a permit to grind, and a JSA....possibly a risk assessment as well.

hand tools are much quicker in most cases

[discovery39]

I will also split mine with a cold chisel....

why? because I am tradesman.

grinders are for those who can't file, chisel and hacksaw.

oh, and also , when you've worked where I have last few years, you need a permit to grind, and a JSA....possibly a risk assessment as well.

hand tools are much quicker in most cases

Mate, if you feel the need to say you're a Tradesman, then you ain't worked on a Landy. But good for you, not using a grinder.

[discovery39]

Here you go

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/05/219.jpg

K, thats a uni joint in/on a prop shaft, not a drive shaft!

[Disco Muppet]

Ay Muppet, how ya been?
Why didn't ya grind, instead of cold chisel?

As per below :D
I been okay :D Barely seen the inside of the D2 over a month :(


He doesn't have a grinder :wasntme: :p :twisted:

Cheeky **** :p




K, thats a uni joint in/on a prop shaft, not a drive shaft!

Prop shaft, drive shaft, tail shaft, six of one mate :)

[discovery39]

As per below :D
I been okay :D Barely seen the inside of the D2 over a month :(



Cheeky **** :p



Prop shaft, drive shaft, tail shaft, six of one mate :)

No, drive shaft very different from prop shaft!!!!
But glad you good.

[simmo]

Just out of curiosity, why are there so many failures of these joints? I often hear about them. Do they have grease nipples fitted to the universal joints?
would it help if they were greased every few months?

My defender has the original uni joints and drive shaft on the back 200K. The front on has a new shaft because the spline seal and mounting area was wrecked and eventually the splines were damaged.

I nursed the shaft for about ten years by making new shaft spline cover from bicycle tubes, they used to last a couple of years. But the damage was already done.

[discovery39]

Lack of owner maintenance.

[justinc]

Lack of owner maintenance.

They are sealed and non serviceable. Unless the shaft is actually removed from the vehicle and bench inspected, you would be hard pressed to detect a problem. Very common to have no warning at all. Oh, and there is nothing wrong with d2's, either....

Jc

[Ancient Mariner]

As per below :D
I been okay :D Barely seen the inside of the D2 over a month :(



Cheeky **** :p



Prop shaft, drive shaft, tail shaft, six of one mate :)
Prop shafts are usually solid have a taper and keyway on both ends and mostly fitted to boats don`t see many fitted to Landrovers but happy to go with any of thoes mentioned:cool:

[ramblingboy42]

I'm about to go outside and take the flanges off.

just finishing my first coffee.

what other things could you do on a sunday morning?

[dullbird]

K, thats a uni joint in/on a prop shaft, not a drive shaft!

What's your point? Your question was what's a double Cardan

That is what is in the photo?

And drive shafts are referred to as props in the UK

[simmo]

Might be an opening for someone to improve them by fitting grease nipples to the uni joint cross pieces, seems obsolescence not make them maintainable. they feature in all the forums and are a known problem.

[simmo]

Do they fail before 100,000 kms? Does Landrover have to repair a lot of them?
If you survey all the disco users about them, may be the forum can advise to make it a standard service item 100,000k; "replace all uni joints in the cardan shafts" . If I was disco owner I'd be "gettin down" there today and giving them a good wriggle and looking for damage on the seals etc or too much "play". Better than having to repair a wrecked car or transfer case.

Its a complete turn off for me, the driveline of my car has problems after such a short period of time. Landrover doing what it does best i think , using the owners to do their R&D for them. People bag toyotas etc, but everyone should be trying to achieve their reliability record. cheers simmo :o

[discovery39]

What's your point? Your question was what's a double Cardan

That is what is in the photo?

And drive shafts are referred to as props in the UK

My Point??? There is no "point"???
I have no idea what you are getting at.
You just answered your own Question.
I didn't know what a double Carden was, and now I do???
That's all there is to it.........

[dullbird]

K, thats a uni joint in/on a prop shaft, not a drive shaft!

So why did you quote me and the picture and write this??

[discovery39]

So why did you quote me and the picture and write this??

Jeezuz Dullbird, relax,
Coz it's (to me) not a drive shaft, it's a prop/tailshaft.
And not owning a car with what looks like another unnecessary Land Rover part,
I didn't know what it was.
Simply trying to understand what the part was.
OK?

[Pedro_The_Swift]

sorry, I'm with Lou here,,

you bite really hard on a post that was patently put up JUST FOR YOUR HELP.

common courtesy demands at least a thankyou.


also,, how can that shaft be unnecessary??

[discovery39]

sorry, I'm with Lou here,,

you bite really hard on a post that was patently put up JUST FOR YOUR HELP.

common courtesy demands at least a thankyou.


also,, how can that shaft be unnecessary??

Hi Pedro,
The Joint is the Unnecessary bit. Not the Shaft.

[dullbird]

Jeezuz Dullbird, relax,
Coz it's (to me) not a drive shaft, it's a prop/tailshaft.
And not owning a car with what looks like another unnecessary Land Rover part,
I didn't know what it was.
Simply trying to understand what the part was.
OK?

I'm not sure why your telling me to relax

I was simply trying to understand why you quoted me and wrote something totally irrelevant and not inline with your oringal question when that was what my post was addressing.

I could understand if you just wrote what you wrote on its own. :)

I would just like to quickly take the opportunity to point out that this is a very good example of how easily a thread can get side tracked or people easily miss understand posts and take things the wrong way, purely from a miss quote.


So please, this post is not meant in anyway other than constructively so I hope people take it that way.

[scarry]

Hi Pedro,
The Joint is the Unnecessary bit. Not the Shaft.


Calm down guys......

And yes that joint is definitely necessary.

It just needs to be replaced with the greasable option,then all good.

[discovery39]

Calm down guys......

And yes that joint is definitely necessary.

It just needs to be replaced with the greasable option,then all good.


Its overly complicated.
What's wrong with a good old fashioned Uni Joint?

[olbod]

Don’t feel too bad about it mate, I have a high milage low odometer Range Rover.

It’s only done low driven kilometres but has a high milage total because of all the trips on the back of tow trucks.

It’s happened so many times I’ve been considering making up a canvas sign that I can fix to the back of it, while it's on a tow truck, saying “next time I will buy a Toyota”

No no, we should all carry a large lightweight car cover for such emergencies with toyota stamped on it.
One that will cover the car and hide it and we could also adorn it with smiley's.:mad:

[bblaze]

Its overly complicated.
What's wrong with a good old fashioned Uni Joint?

The angle the joint has to work at is greater than the angle that a single joint can work at
cheers
blaze

[discovery39]

The angle the joint has to work at is greater than the angle that a single joint can work at
cheers
blaze


Cool.
Thanks bblaze.
Cheers.

[ramblingboy42]

because of the rise and fall of the shaft over a short distance.....I believe a single uni joint is not recommended to operate over 20* angle.

most 4wd's have a double cardan (note spelling) on the front shaft.

btw Scarry, mine was a greaseable joint and had been greased just a few weeks ago....but it has done over 100k's and about ten trips up and down the Strezleckie, Oodnadatta , Birdsville and others plus the Simpson, Flinders Ranges.....I'm not complaining at all about it's durability.

[olbod]

And drive shafts are referred to as props in the UK

Just to be different.
ME Disco has tailshafts, eh.:D

[ramblingboy42]

Following removal of offending articles this morning and a good inspection it has damaged the shaft beyond rebuilding......groans.....so a new complete shaft to be purchased tomorrow.

some @ $500.....up to $1150 I have seen so far.

[scarry]

because of the rise and fall of the shaft over a short distance..

btw Scarry, mine was a greaseable joint and had been greased just a few weeks ago....but it has done over 100k's and about ten trips up and down the Strezleckie, Oodnadatta , Birdsville and others plus the Simpson, Flinders Ranges.....I'm not complaining at all about it's durability.

Mine did well over 100k as well(greaseable).Cape trips(heaps of water crossings),desert trips etc etc no problems.

The problem with them is, as said by JC,they need to be taken off to check properly,particularly the OEM type with no nipples:mad:

Some people hear a noise and keep going,then it fails and can then take out the T/C,auto oil lines,etc,etc.

I know a mechanic(not the one i use) who serviced a vehicle,the next day the joint failed and the vehicle was that badly damaged it was written off.

Back to the OP,MR auto here in brisbane also supply them rebuilt with grease nipples

[rick130]

Following removal of offending articles this morning and a good inspection it has damaged the shaft beyond rebuilding......groans.....so a new complete shaft to be purchased tomorrow.

some @ $500.....up to $1150 I have seen so far.

Go for a TW shaft mate, IIRC Jeep Konnection in Melbourne usually have them on the shelf, but I can't speak highly enough of the great service dealing directly with Tom in Utah.

[bob10]

Back to the OP,MR auto here in brisbane also supply them rebuilt with grease nipples


I have one of MR's carden shafts with grease nipples. I grease mine every 5,000 km's, and I notice there is always one or two nipples that have either had the " nipple" dinged by branches or some such, or the grease has hardened on the inside end, and you need a battery driven grease gun to push the grease through. A normal gun doesn't cut the mustard. I change every nipple as a matter of course now. Cross fingers, all is well, so far. Bob

[Tombie]

Well a 4wd couldn't have 2 tail shafts could it :)
It would have a Tail and Nose shaft :D

Drive shaft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Fatso]

Well a 4wd couldn't have 2 tail shafts could it :)
It would have a Tail and Nose shaft :D

Drive shaft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drive_shaft)



Or front and back !!

[350RRC]

Might be an opening for someone to improve them by fitting grease nipples to the uni joint cross pieces, seems obsolescence not make them maintainable. they feature in all the forums and are a known problem.

Like these rebuild kits?

| eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/sis.html?_nkw=LAND%20ROVER%20DISCOVERY%20series%20 2%20Double%20Cardan%20rebuild%20kit&_itemId=250872045398)

cheers, DL