scumbag

[boa]

Had a slight knock on the front door checked and it was a women who had been assaulted. Let her in and called police and ambulance. Police arrived first and were great. Domestic violence apparently they were here for over an hour talking to her. I have never seen someone so scared in my life. But she felt safe here hence the time with police she was taken to hospital. Hope it works out for her she had knocked on a few doors but no one helped even though she had blood on her face from the attack. I hope I never meet the person who did this.

[discovery39]

Mate, make sure she wasn't followed., or nobody watching house!
Speaking from experience.
Good to be friendly Samaritan, but watch ya back.
Just saying.........

[d@rk51d3]

Got a 'tard moved in accross the street.

Don't know if he's screaming at his missus, or his kid, but it goes on all day and into the night.

:mad:

[SBD4]

unbelievable, good on you for doing the right thing. Hope she is OK.

got to wonder about the other people who didn't help. Wonder how they'll go when someone slams the door in their face in their moment of need!

Nothing can be said to express my disgust at the cowardly act of belting a woman. He needs to be made to fear as she did.

[Ausfree]

Good on you mate for helping that poor woman. Can't hide my disgust at so called "men" who belt women, it rates as one of the most cowardly things you can do in my book.:mad:

[boa]

Mate, make sure she wasn't followed., or nobody watching house!
Speaking from experience.
Good to be friendly Samaritan, but watch ya back.
Just saying.........

Yes I was concerned about that and spoke to the police about it, from there experience most of the people who do this are too gutless to do anything. But yes will be a bit more observant for a while.

[85 county]

who knows this

in 2011 the law changed
all the police need to charge arrest a male for aggravated assault is a statement from the complainant.

NB aggravated means in layman’s terms domestic violence.

so any female who makes a statement to the police will not be investigated, the only effort the police will put into the instadent is to arrest who ever is accused. That’s it.

Its up to a judge.
A judge makes his judgment not based on evidence (they are not required to do so) but on a reasonable probability. IE in the judges option only.

The problem is.
Many women who are in violent relationships do not lay complaints. These are the real victims. As this abuse tends to go on for years behind closed doors, are difficult to prove in an evidence way.

Not applicable in this case, since she had visual evidence of violence, and her demeanor by running door to door is evidence in itself.

So all good so far.

Unfortunately the new law is open to abuse. By taking the police out of the equation of assessing if there is a case to answer. Has crated a system where anyone can just lie to the police and the police are bound to arrest the accused even if there is clear evidence that that person was not there, or there were other people present and state that no assault took place etc etc. the accused will be arrested.

In an attempt to create a system that is stronger for genuine victims, which it has in some respects. A system has been created that is open to abuse and is being abused. Arrests and court appearances have quadruped yet convictions have dropped.

none of this actually helps the genuine Victims.
Having said that, I believe that we as a society could do more. The victim in this instance I believe knocked on a number of doors before boa’s door. There is an indictment in that alone

[85 county]

Mate, make sure she wasn't followed., or nobody watching house!
Speaking from experience.
Good to be friendly Samaritan, but watch ya back.
Just saying.........



Yes I was concerned about that and spoke to the police about it, from there experience most of the people who do this are too gutless to do anything. But yes will be a bit more observant for a while.

yes put that right out of your mind, the perpetrator is either a sadistic and intelligent person, which in this case he would not be so silly.
or it was a flash in the pan thing in which case the perpetrator is feeling guilty as and will plead guilty.
Or the perpetrator is a very violent person ( not bright) and probably thinks he did no wrong or is just doing what his daddy did.

either way a conviction will follow, you will spend 1/2 a day in court. and there is a 45% chance that the victim will return to the relationship where she was assaulted.
In short do the right thing but do limit your involvement, IE do not have anything to do with the victim after, apart from being polite.

[dullbird]

who knows this

in 2011 the law changed
all the police need to charge arrest a male for aggravated assault is a statement from the complainant.

NB aggravated means in layman’s terms domestic violence.

so any female who makes a statement to the police will not be investigated, the only effort the police will put into the instadent is to arrest who ever is accused. That’s it.

Its up to a judge.
A judge makes his judgment not based on evidence (they are not required to do so) but on a reasonable probability. IE in the judges option only.

The problem is.
Many women who are in violent relationships do not lay complaints. These are the real victims. As this abuse tends to go on for years behind closed doors, are difficult to prove in an evidence way.

Not applicable in this case, since she had visual evidence of violence, and her demeanor by running door to door is evidence in itself.

So all good so far.

Unfortunately the new law is open to abuse. By taking the police out of the equation of assessing if there is a case to answer. Has crated a system where anyone can just lie to the police and the police are bound to arrest the accused even if there is clear evidence that that person was not there, or there were other people present and state that no assault took place etc etc. the accused will be arrested.

In an attempt to create a system that is stronger for genuine victims, which it has in some respects. A system has been created that is open to abuse and is being abused. Arrests and court appearances have quadruped yet convictions have dropped.

none of this actually helps the genuine Victims.
Having said that, I believe that we as a society could do more. The victim in this instance I believe knocked on a number of doors before boa’s door. There is an indictment in that alone

I find this really hard to believe

Criminal matters are usually beyond reasonable doubt not a balance of probabilities,

Do you have link I can look at?

I'm genuinely interested to have a look

[85 county]

I find this really hard to believe

Criminal matters are usually beyond reasonable doubt not a balance of probabilities,

Do you have link I can look at?

I'm genuinely interested to have a look

Nope your wrong. Hard to fined court stuff online

but as to new police powers there is this article.
Although the article is misleading a bit and refers to new police powers which I did not post about but is the same topic.

At the same time the police gained powers that means they can issue instant NON intervention orders. Sounds like a good thing.
Police turn up at a domestic violence place. And can issue a non intervention order there and then. I like it. the other side of the coin is anyone and walk into a police station and say, such and such scared me. Sign a peace of paper and a non intervention order is issued. Even without the other person named knowing about it. And not knowing that person may go someplace in breach of that order, and as a result be arrested and charged.

The article shows the instant increase in numbers of these intervention orders. 92% of orders are issued based on a complaint. NOT on a police response.

So in practice and contory to the article REAL powers of the police have not changed in this application. Since if police attend an incident the police can arrest an prosecute themselves.

Here is the kicker. Legal AID will not represent anymore for non intervention orders. there reasoning being that the government changed the Law, which has lead to a massive increase in cases with out the corresponding funding. result the person named is on there own.

Currently a person named in a non intervention order can dispute it in court. the waiting period for this is in excess of 12 months.

So dullbird. I can walk into a police station and say, this chick dullbird scares me. i do not want her any where i work, shop or socialize.
the police have to choice but to issue an intervention order against you.
NO CHOICE!!!!
The order can be tested in court but as i said, that will take over 12 months, as a result of this order, try and get a police clearance. you may even lose your job.

Now in court once you get there. the judges judgment is on probability not beyond reasonable doubt. the judge only has to satisfy that I am probably generally scared of you. The cases that have not been held up, have failed because the complainant has been court out lying or there is a discrepancy between there statement and what they said on the stand. I have personally witnessed 3 cases this year at Holden Hill, where the person accused was not even in Australia.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/domestic-violence-orders-triple-with-new-police-powers/story-e6frea83-1226432250343

[bob10]

First, I think you should change your avatar. You're anything but dull. here is a link from Victoria, which also gives a virtual tour of a courtroom. Bob


Intervention Orders | Magistrates' Court of Victoria (http://www.magistratescourt.vic.gov.au/jurisdictions/intervention-orders)

[dullbird]

Ok my Internet is really slow to upload sorry,
unless things are very different in SA, interim orders I was sure are actually only a temporary thing, and are given out by the police until an AVO or a PVO is granted by the court. Which doesn't take 12 months here as they are often given priority in the court system.

As for legal aid (here in NSW) there is a lot if people they will no longer represent not just from orders, again I'm sure they will now only represent if there is a likely hood that the accused will be facing jail.

I will go looking when I have time. :)

Perhaps some of the resident police officers here can chime in

[dullbird]

I found this, it is two years old though so as you say possibly has changed but I would be curious to know where and in what respect, because this is how I would expect the situation to be dealt with :)

http://www.lsc.sa.gov.au/resources/Intervention%20Orders_200412.pdf

I'm typing from my mobile which is painful as I have a virus on my laptop, I started going through the SA legislation to find the act about domestic violence but u can't read it in this stupid little screen.:(

It should be somewhere in here though

If anything has changed in police powers or the offences in which they enforce it will be here amongst the acts and regulations :)
Although I checked the repeals for 2013 and can't see anything obvious in there
http://www.legislation.sa.gov.au/listActs.aspx?key=A

It's a lot harder to navigate than the NSW one though. Let me know if you find it :)