AULRO problem

[d2dave]

I am having problems here. It all started last night so I thought I would wait until this morning but it is still playing up.

My problems are.

1/It is slower than dial up.
2/Instant email notifications aren't happening
3/Although not important my post count is wrong.

Is any one else having problems or is it just me?

[87County]

I think there's a problem with the site dave....

There have been very few posts overnight and it seems a bit slow this morning - I'll take a look this evening and see if it's feeling better :)

[87County]

... there's always the remlr.com forum if you're stuck :)

[Pedro_The_Swift]

yep, slow as,,

however, The Owner is on a recuperative break for a week.
I will report this post so "Site Admins" know,,

other than that,,,

[TheTree]

Dave

Looks like a router problem to me, I would suggest you ask your hosting provider (looks like aapt), it's timing out at 203.63.65.229

Steve

4 bundle-ether11.ken-edge901.sydney.telstra.net (139.130.207.77) 24.704 ms 25.461 ms 24.370 ms
5 bundle-ether2.chw-edge901.sydney.telstra.net (203.50.11.103) 25.188 ms 24.605 ms 25.019 ms
6 aap1135271.lnk.telstra.net (139.130.209.230) 25.738 ms 26.233 ms 24.783 ms
7 po8.sglebdist01.aapt.net.au (202.10.14.26) 38.458 ms
po9.sglebdist02.aapt.net.au (202.10.14.28) 45.375 ms
po8.sglebdist01.aapt.net.au (202.10.14.26) 40.012 ms
8 te2-1-110.sglebdist02.aapt.net.au (202.10.12.131) 43.230 ms
te0-3-1-0.sclarcore01.aapt.net.au (202.10.12.9) 51.973 ms
te2-1-110.sglebdist02.aapt.net.au (202.10.12.131) 39.349 ms
9 te0-0-0-0.bforvcore01.aapt.net.au (202.10.10.68) 41.971 ms 39.688 ms
te0-3-1-0.sclarcore01.aapt.net.au (202.10.12.9) 39.941 ms
10 te2-2.bforvdist01.aapt.net.au (202.10.12.22) 39.221 ms
te0-0-0-0.bforvcore01.aapt.net.au (202.10.10.68) 40.433 ms
te2-2.bforvdist01.aapt.net.au (202.10.12.22) 39.209 ms
11 te2-2.bforvdist01.aapt.net.au (202.10.12.22) 38.689 ms
1-1-1.bforvinte01.aapt.net.au (203.131.62.31) 41.368 ms
te2-2.bforvdist01.aapt.net.au (202.10.12.22) 39.659 ms
12 1-1-1.bforvinte01.aapt.net.au (203.131.62.31) 39.823 ms
203.63.65.229 (203.63.65.229) 39.023 ms
1-1-1.bforvinte01.aapt.net.au (203.131.62.31) 39.974 ms
13 * * 203.63.65.229 (203.63.65.229) 39.778 ms
14 * * *
15 * * *
16 * * *
17 * * *
18 * * *

[Ausfree]

Yep, slow here too, well,.............. very slow actually.

p.s. just to add to that I am also not getting E-Mail post notifications.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

To SteveFarmer
Inc said he would have to move servers VERY soon,, (like the day he returns---)
could this be part of it?

[TheTree]

Hi

It could be related to the planned move, but that is unlikely. More likely an equipment issue.

Not sure there is much we can do sadly :(

Steve

[101RRS]

All Ok here :).

[TheTree]

All Ok here :).

HI

That definitely points to a routing problem!

Steve

[TheTree]

Hi

MTR shows this, 100% packet loss at the last hop. I think someone needs to contact aapt if there is anyone around who can!

HOST: StevesPB-3.local Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev
1.|-- 192.168.0.1 0.0% 10 0.7 0.6 0.5 0.9 0.1
2.|-- 172.18.209.9 0.0% 10 26.6 24.9 23.6 26.6 0.8
3.|-- 172.18.65.197 0.0% 10 24.4 24.1 23.0 24.9 0.6
| `|-- 172.18.65.193
4.|-- bundle-ether11.ken-edge90 0.0% 10 24.7 24.3 23.4 24.7 0.4
5.|-- bundle-ether2.chw-edge901 0.0% 10 24.6 24.4 23.5 25.1 0.5
6.|-- aap1135271.lnk.telstra.ne 0.0% 10 24.7 24.8 23.6 26.4 0.7
7.|-- po9.sglebdist02.aapt.net. 0.0% 10 39.1 39.8 38.3 46.8 2.5
8.|-- te0-3-1-0.sclarcore01.aap 0.0% 10 39.7 40.2 38.6 47.7 2.7
9.|-- te0-0-0-0.bforvcore01.aap 0.0% 10 40.0 39.7 38.8 40.3 0.5
10.|-- te2-2.bforvdist01.aapt.ne 0.0% 10 39.8 38.8 38.3 39.8 0.4
11.|-- 1-1-1.bforvinte01.aapt.ne 0.0% 10 39.3 40.2 38.3 46.8 2.4
12.|-- 203.63.65.229 0.0% 10 38.9 39.1 38.3 39.7 0.4
13.|-- ??? 100.0 10 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
14.|-- www.aulro.com 0.0% 10 52.6 51.3 50.4 52.6 0.6

Steve

[101RRS]

HI

That definitely points to a routing problem!

Steve

Still OK here - been on for about 45 minutes and all OK

[discovery39]

I too had issues last night. Couldn't get the web page up at all.
From about 18:00 to about 19:30.
But all good now.

[mrjc]

painfully slow hear too (3pm brisbane) even tried on my iphone and wouldn't even open the page.

[lebanon]

Very slow overseas as well.

[Tank]

I can make a cuppa in the time it takes for the site to load and anything up to a minute to change pages, even dial-up was never this slow, last night nothing at all today painful, Regards Frank.

[Pierre]

V slow in outer eastern Melb no mater which way I point.


Pete

[kenleyfred]

Works fine on iPhone with forum runner, but still won't open on home Mac.

[harry]

yep, slow here also, but don't worry the boss just now, he needs a rest..


I can actually go and work on something rather than wandering around here.
see you next week.

[Outback 1]

I too had issues last night. Couldn't get the web page up at all.
From about 18:00 to about 19:30.
But all good now.

so did I but its working fairly well today

[ScottW]

Ridiculously slow here. It loads the www.aulro.com content, but gets stuck with "waiting for ww2.aulro.com". If I hit escape as soon as I see the ww2.aulro.com part, it ignores whatever is trying to load and works fine straight away.

[UncleHo]

Very slow here, but then my old copper phone lines are only capable of ADSL 1 :( and I have been told they won't upgrade the lines until Telstra sell the phone network.

We were early on the list for fibre optic as part of NBN but change of Govt. scrapped that :mad:

[Tank]

yep, slow here also, but don't worry the boss just now, he needs a rest..


I can actually go and work on something rather than wandering around here.
see you next week.
I don't think the Advertisers will be too happy, if Inc's away for a week I'll be signing off till he gets back and hope it's still here when I check back next week sometime, Regards Frank.

[vnx205]

I can make a cuppa in the time it takes for the site to load and anything up to a minute to change pages, even dial-up was never this slow, last night nothing at all today painful, Regards Frank.


I don't think the Advertisers will be too happy, if Inc's away for a week I'll be signing off till he gets back and hope it's still here when I check back next week sometime, Regards Frank.

It is fine at my place. It disappeared completely for a short time yesterday, but other than that it is normal.

Frank, maybe it would be quicker to drive over to my place to log in rather than wait for it to load at your place. :D:D:D

[The ho har's]

Yes a little slow here as well.

Typical the owner goes on hols and the whole place crashes:angel::wasntme:

But what I have read and the pics I have seen I think Inc and Narelle are have a wonderful break for their Anniversary. Have a wonderful time and Enjoy guys:D

Mrs hh:angel:

[Tank]

It is fine at my place. It disappeared completely for a short time yesterday, but other than that it is normal.

Frank, maybe it would be quicker to drive over to my place to log in rather than wait for it to load at your place. :D:D:D
Good idea, it just took nearly 5 minutes to log in and get to the first post/page, can't understand why it's taking a month of Sundays to load here yet other people, even close by like you don't seem to have a problem, you doing anything this week? I'll give you a ring tomorrow, Regards Frank.

[SBD4]

Good idea, it just took nearly 5 minutes to log in and get to the first post/page, can't understand why it's taking a month of Sundays to load here yet other people, even close by like you don't seem to have a problem, you doing anything this week? I'll give you a ring tomorrow, Regards Frank.

Frank, it depends on your ISP and who they connect through.

It's still not great for me:


Tracing route to aulro.com [202.182.124.182]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 * 6 ms 1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 30 ms 31 ms 30 ms nexthop.beagle.com.au [1.1.1.1]
3 33 ms 31 ms 31 ms ge1-1-6.sydgscore1.beagle.com.au [103.19.172.61]

4 32 ms 31 ms 37 ms ge1-1-2.sydgsbdr2.beagle.com.au [103.19.172.34]

5 39 ms 53 ms 35 ms 203-174-139-57.syd.static-ipl.aapt.com.au [203.1
74.139.57]
6 45 ms * 44 ms te3-3.sclardist01.aapt.net.au [203.131.60.30]
7 49 ms 45 ms 45 ms te0-3-4-0.sclarcore01.aapt.net.au [202.10.12.3]

8 44 ms 49 ms 46 ms te0-0-0-0.bforvcore01.aapt.net.au [202.10.10.68]

9 45 ms 48 ms 45 ms te2-2.bforvdist01.aapt.net.au [202.10.12.22]
10 61 ms 45 ms 45 ms 1-1-1.bforvinte01.aapt.net.au [203.131.62.31]
11 45 ms 45 ms 45 ms 203.63.65.229
12 * * * Request timed out.
13 59 ms 60 ms 57 ms www.aulro.com [202.182.124.182]

Trace complete.

[mikehzz]

AULRO is slow as a wet week here. All other sites are fine and normal. Every page on here takes minutes to load. My lack of attention span cannot take this sort of punishment...somebody reboot a server somewhere...

[worane]

Has any else noticed the longer length of time the Aurol forum pages are taking to open.
It is almost like back to dial up.
Maybe it is my computer maybe not.
Any comments?

[vnx205]

It is being discussed at length here.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/198151-aulro-problem.html#post2153305

EDIT
Somebody merged the threads, making my comment irrelevant. :)

[Mick_Marsh]

Very slow here, but then my old copper phone lines are only capable of ADSL 1 :( and I have been told they won't upgrade the lines until Telstra sell the phone network.

We were early on the list for fibre optic as part of NBN but change of Govt. scrapped that :mad:
NBN won't help. Just as slow on fibre.
But, the slowness gets to me lightning fast.

[Sitec]

Yup, been having the same problem for the last few days.. 90% of the blue line above (yeah, Im not that computer literate!!:D) loads, and then it takes a min, sometimes longer for the page to appear. Have tried logging out and back in, but to no avail!

[Bytemrk]

It would appear that who ever is pedalling while Incisor is away - is not up to Inc's usual fine standard. :p

Either that or someone bumped the site into low range... :eek:

I'm sure if we are all patient, the experts will get it sorted.

[TheTree]

HI

I have a lot of experience in this area, so if there is anything I can do do help, just send me a PM.

I suspect we may need to wait for Inc to return though :(

Until then we are back to the future :p

Steve

[loanrangie]

I've used 3 different pc's on 3 different ISP's with little change though it is better now than it was this morning or just after 1pm.

[Judo]

The IT Crowd: Have you tried turning it off and on again... is it really plugged in? - YouTube

[digger]

Finally its at my speed, I can comprehend things as they happen for once!

[scarry]

Definitely stuck in first low here,with the handbrake on.;)

Things could be worse,at least it seems to still work,eventually:D

[noj44]

Using Windows7 slow as to just hanging, both Firefox and IE.

Logged in with Linux and straight in with no hesitation.

[jerryd]

Definitely stuck in first low here,with the handbrake on.;)

Things could be worse,at least it seems to still work,eventually:D

Same here, very slow :( Might have to do a few odd jobs on the old beast instead until things are back to normal.

[Disco Muppet]

Fine here :)

[JayBoRover]

Dead slow here on Apple Imac:(.
I've never tried rock crawling but I'm thinking this might be similar - super low gearing, careful planning required to navigate your way between pages, that hollow feeling in the pit of your stomach when you clicked the mouse on the wrong page, etc. :D

[cooperrat]

in fact its very slow, has been for a few days, all my other sites seem to load as per normal..Any clues out there in computer land ..????

[Rok_Dr]

Slow as for me too. No significant difference between Home, Telstra 3g and 4g. Work is just usable though, as we have a large bandwidth connection to get to remote data servers.

Cheers

Steve

[discovery39]

Check the AULRO Problem Thread.:)

[Mick_Marsh]

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/198151-aulro-problem.html

[460cixy]

Glacial is the term you are looking for and its only taken 35 mins to post this :wasntme:

[discovery39]

Glacial is the term you are looking for and its only taken 35 mins to post this :wasntme:


The Melting of one, or Forming of one?:p

[djam1]

You have another issue I have been on it all day and its been useable.

[vnx205]

Why hasn't this thread been merged with the other two on exactly the same topic?
:D:D:D

[Fatso]

Does not worry me Im retired .

[d@rk51d3]

Why hasn't this thread been merged with the other two on exactly the same topic?
:D:D:D

It probably has.

It'll just take a week to get there. :p

[AndyG]

Yesterday, Fri 23rd May, Oceanic customers hosted on our Adelaide service on SES NSS9 satellite, experienced a major disruption to the service.
The cause was the appearance of a strong interfering signal whose frequency fell across 3 out of 5 of our uplink carrier frequencies.
The effect was twofold
1. About 1/3 of the remotes sites were completely off
2. The rest experienced congestion on the uplink resulting in data loss and slow web response.
After Oceanic reported the issue to SES it was discovered that the interference appeared in Three out of 4 of the transponders that cover the Pacific region.
See Attached Coverage map
The interference appears to emanate from a high power ground station somewhere in the West Hemi Beam
After working with SES most of yesterday, I managed to bring most of the remote sites back online, by relocating our customers to different individual carrier frequencies.
This is only a temporary solution as we are still experiencing considerable disruption to our service.
The issue has been escalated to the highest support level at SES for resolution
Where do we go from here?
In the interim, SES are looking to relocate our carrier frequencies to a reserved part of the spectrum until the source of the interference is discovered and eliminated.
Hopefully this will happen today.
During the relocation process there may be instances where the links will go down for a few minutes whilst equipment is being reconfigured at the HUB in Adelaide.
Oceanic sincerely apologizes for this service disruption and can assure you that we are working as hard as possible o see it resolved.
Unfortunately the cause of it is completely outside of our control.

[vnx205]

I'm not sure if the following information just confuses the issue or provides further evidence to support someone's diagnosis of the nature of the problem.

I have had no problems whatsoever over the last few days. Speed is normal.

However I was experimenting last night with creating a bootable USB to help a friend try Ubuntu o some other Linux distro on his netbook. When I tested it on a laptop, found the same snail's pace loading that others have described. At the same time my desktop continued to load at normal speed.

The laptop has better specs than my desktop and I was using the same OS as my desktop. About the only significant difference was that my desktop has a cable connection to my ADSL router and the laptop was a WiFi connection. Other sites loaded at normal speed on the laptop.

The laptop behaved the same with a couple of other Linux distros.

I'm not worried because my desktop machine continues to load AULRO at normal speed, but at least I can now see why some people are complaining so bitterly. :p

[disco gazza]

I thought I was having problems when this first surfaced the other day,but its still punishingly slow here.
Yet on my ph it loads quickly.

Go figure..:p

cheers

[incisor]

It looks lije a packet loss prolen caused by congestion on some links

I am unable to attend to it until at least pm saturday

There is a security alert out for tapatalk as well and it may be related to this

I can use the free app on my phone but not the paid app as it just times out

I onlybhave very patchy access and only via phone so cannot do much




Sent from my GT-I9300T using AULRO mobile app

[UncleHo]

Thanks Dave :D

You pair just enjoy your selves,you have earned it ;)

We will survive !:angel:

[discovery39]

Just reading what Inc said,
He referred to a free App, and a paid version.
Is there a paid version of the AULRO App???
I can't find it in the usual places,
I was using Tapatalk, but have ditched that now.

[d@rk51d3]

Just reading what Inc said,
He referred to a free App, and a paid version.
Is there a paid version of the AULRO App???
I can't find it in the usual places,
I was using Tapatalk, but have ditched that now.

TAPATALK is the paid version. ;)

[discovery39]

I didnt pay for it???:confused:

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using AULRO mobile app

[AnD3rew]

I think there is a free version of Tapatalk and a paid version which removes ads or gives more functionality or both I can't remember which. I think the paid version is about $4.99

[d@rk51d3]

I think there is a free version of Tapatalk and a paid version which removes ads or gives more functionality or both I can't remember which. I think the paid version is about $4.99

I don't think you can post with the free Tapatalk, only read.......... at least I could never post with it.

[discovery39]

I don't think you can post with the free Tapatalk, only read.......... at least I could never post with it.

Think it depends on whether you are Android or Apple.

[mikehzz]

It looks lije a packet loss prolen caused by congestion on some links

I am unable to attend to it until at least pm saturday

There is a security alert out for tapatalk as well and it may be related to this

I can use the free app on my phone but not the paid app as it just times out

I onlybhave very patchy access and only via phone so cannot do much




Sent from my GT-I9300T using AULRO mobile app

The world will not end..err..well I hope not. Don't give it a second thought. In fact, don't even read this message...

[superquag]

Does all this mean that a portion of "internet" is routed via overseas ?

If so, what a wonderful way to interfere with...and disrupt the social, business and essential services of the infidels...

Looks like the 'West' will never learn....:wasntme:

[TheTree]

It looks lije a packet loss prolen caused by congestion on some links

I am unable to attend to it until at least pm saturday

There is a security alert out for tapatalk as well and it may be related to this

I can use the free app on my phone but not the paid app as it just times out

I onlybhave very patchy access and only via phone so cannot do much




Sent from my GT-I9300T using AULRO mobile app

It's definitely packet loss at a router, if there is anything I can do to help email me hts@hts.com.au

After this is over, I would be happy to act as backup geek so you can relax a bit more on your breaks :D

Steve

Steve

[wrinklearthur]

----- But what I have read and the pics I have seen I think Inc and Narelle are have a wonderful break for their Anniversary. Have a wonderful time and Enjoy guys

X2

Shame this SLOw 'interference' has happened while they are on their time way.
.

[carlschmid2002]

It works fine on my ipad with AULRO app but I can't get it to load up on my MacBook Pro at all.

[Pickles2]

VVEERRYY slow to load here too, Just been able to get on & see that the problem is not just confined to me.
Good luck Dave, I hope you are good and that when you are able, the problem won't be too hard to fix.
Pickles.

[sjane]

Works fine from the android app. :thumbup:
PC is painfully slow to load. :thumbdown:


Sent from my GT-I9100 using AULRO mobile app

[lewy]

pc seems fine here in darwin,just flicked through a lot of threads

[Bytemrk]

Interesting observation that may assist some users until the root cause of the slowness is sorted.

Using Chrome browser on windows - when the page says its loading - but the screen is still blank, I hit the "X" to stop loading the page - and its instantly loads!

It does not appear to work on IE or Firefox, but works every time in chrome.

Browsing is still slow... but this little trick is making it quite usable.

Cheers, Mark

P.S. - Same behaviour on OSX - the Chrome trick works, but not on Safari of Firefox for Mac

[p38arover]

Thanks for that, I'll try it later. Pages seem to load quickly in Tapatalk

[incisor]

Seems a router let go sunday night and the replacement is not well

Admin of data centre is going onsite tomorrow to inspect

All I can do from here for now

Cheers

[discovery39]

Seems a router let go sunday night and the replacement is not well

Admin of data centre is going onsite tomorrow to inspect

All I can do from here for now

Cheers


Stop worrying about it Inc.
As mentioned previously, enjoy your time off, we'll live.:D

[Bytemrk]

What he said! :BigThumb:

Relax and enjoy your time away Inc.

If it makes a few of us slow down a little - that's probably not a bad thing.

What you supply is an amazing service for what most of us pay.;)

Cheers, Mark

[pibby]

agree with this. been doing it last couple of days. use google chrome as browser. click the "x" next to the arrows for back a page or forward a page once the circle on the page tab turns blue and starts spinning clockwise. if you're in the northern hemisphere it might spin the other way:)


Interesting observation that may assist some users until the root cause of the slowness is sorted.

Using Chrome browser on windows - when the page says its loading - but the screen is still blank, I hit the "X" to stop loading the page - and its instantly loads!

It does not appear to work on IE or Firefox, but works every time in chrome.

Browsing is still slow... but this little trick is making it quite usable.

Cheers, Mark

P.S. - Same behaviour on OSX - the Chrome trick works, but not on Safari of Firefox for Mac

[tailslide]

Ridiculously slow here. It loads the www.aulro.com (http://www.aulro.com) content, but gets stuck with "waiting for ww2.aulro.com". If I hit escape as soon as I see the ww2.aulro.com part, it ignores whatever is trying to load and works fine straight away.

I had some time to kill this evening... So had a look, ww2.aulro.com is not responding, this is what is holding up the page from loading as it hosts a Java script: http://ww2.aulro.com/adsrv/www/delivery/spcjs.php?id=1&target=_blank

As a workaround to speed up my loading I put an entry in my hosts file pointing ww2.aulro.com to my localhost.

Now for some full speed surfing.

Cheers
Ron

[Ferret]

Sitting at Interlaken (Switzerland) having a beer :D. Pages load OK over here.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Sitting at Interlaken (Switzerland) having a beer :D. Pages load OK over here.
:ttiwwp:
:angel:;)

[Scallops]

Work PC and home iMac loading slow. iPad same using Safari or Chrome. If I use Tapatalk - no issue.

[Nicky]

Hi all,
for me and all my Mac computers, (OS 10.8.3) the AULRO Server has become very sluggish since last week. Anyone else?

[Bytemrk]

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/198151-aulro-problem.html

[Roberto]

Yeah me to. Had to give it away it was so slow.

[Saitch]

All good for me now! Thanks to whoever did the fix:banana:
Steve

[p38arover]

Ok at the moment.

[Pickles2]

Better for me now. Thanks to whoever fixed things.
Pickles.

[vnx205]

Sitting at Interlaken (Switzerland) having a beer :D. Pages load OK over here.



:ttiwwp:
:angel:;)

Maybe you wanted a photo of Ferret drinking beer. :p

If it was photos of Interlaken you wanted, maybe these will do until Ferret finishes his beer and posts some shots.

[The ho har's]

Don't know what happed in the last 10 minutes, as Inc is still away, but we are whizzing along now:D

Mrs hh:angel:

[mikehzz]

The internet laxettes seemed to have worked...all good here now. :)

[LandyAndy]

Good to see normality resume.Who remembered how to get AULRO out of low range:):):):):):)
Andrew

[Cracka]

Yay, woohoo we are up and running again......

Whoever put the plug back in......well done ole chap.

[Kev the Fridgy]

THATS GOLD !!!! :BigThumb:

[TheTree]

Hurrah !:D

[dullbird]

I think there may of been a problem with the server its self I think someone was sent to check it as Dave is away...

so hopefully it all stays up and running until cupcake is back and check on the health of the system

[p38arover]

Dave said it was a router problem.

[dullbird]

Sorry Ron you're right it was the router not the server...think i'm getting mixed up

[landychris]

:clap2::TakeABow: ah that's better now.
"Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got till it's gone".
(Joni Mitchell).....well not gone but slow:p
landychris

[richard4u2]

thanks to who ever fixed it

[d2dave]

Yep all good here. Now to see if my email alerts start working.

[dawsey]

I sorta liked the last week ..no rush sit back relax pat the dogs and wait..didnt bother me..Im in no hurry

[d2dave]

I sorta liked the last week ..no rush sit back relax pat the dogs and wait..didnt bother me..Im in no hurry

I was looking to purchase a new torch, so during the AULRO break I have been having a browse on Candle power forum. I ordered one last night.

And yay, my email alerts are working:arms::banana:

[Ferret]

Maybe you wanted a photo of Ferret drinking beer. :p

If it was photos of Interlaken you wanted, maybe these will do until Ferret finishes his beer and posts some shots.

Having another beer :D. If some of those pictures are in Interlaken I'm yet to seen them ;)

Sun's out, views spectacular and AULRO still loading fast.

[vnx205]

Having another beer :D. If some of those pictures are in Interlaken I'm yet to seen them ;)

Sun's out, views spectacular and AULRO still loading fast.

You would probably need good eyesight to see those views from where you are now.

They are about 60km away at Lucerne.

Did you specify Switzerland in your original comment because you were aware that there is also an Interlaken in Tasmania?

[Ferret]

Did you specify Switzerland in your original commt ...

I think I did:p

[DiscoMick]

I haven't had an AULRO email since Tuesday. Starting to think something is wrong with my email address. Maybe there is a bill to pay...

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