Licenses

[AndyG]

Bear in mind i live in PNG

Well we organised the License people to come to our little slice of paradise & they are issuing licenses.
I produce my Class 1 (motor vehicle) & pay the money, then they say you drive a Troop Carrier / 5 door so you should really have a Class 3, (more than 8 seats).

Now this is probably a good idea across the board, i would suggest. You should not pass a license in a Corolla, and then leap into a LC with 9+ pax, thoughts in general?
Unfortunately in my case no testing, just hand over more money.

A scary side effect is i can now drive the largest non articulated truck i can find ! :o

I wonder if i can convert it ot an OZzie license:twisted:

[frantic]

Licences from recognised countries < New residents of NSW < Licensing < Roads and Maritime Services (http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/licensing/newtonsw/recognisedcountries.html)

Unfortunately no, list is above. Sounds like fun though.:D

[THE BOOGER]

Regards learning in a corolla and then driving a troopy or such yeh bad idea better to learn in a large car and then drive the corolla better still don't drive a corolla at all just a landy:D
regards can you use your PNG lic here yep:eek: temporary at least

Driving in NSW with an overseas licence < Visitors to NSW < Licensing < Roads and Maritime Services (http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/licensing/visitorstonsw/overseaslicence.html)

don't know about converting from PNG to NSW here is what they say


Licences from recognised countries < New residents of NSW < Licensing < Roads and Maritime Services (http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/licensing/newtonsw/recognisedcountries.html)

cant find if PNG is recognised:)

[THE BOOGER]

that was quick Frantic:)

[123rover50]

Wow, they are getting into the modern age:o
When I lived there we did not need one. Any car that looked and drove OK could be registered:D

[AndyG]

Nope PNG license not recognized, and from experience never let your Oz one expire :(

[ramblingboy42]

Hey Andy....drop into the Land Rover dealer and introduce yourself to Michael(Mick) , the new service manager.

He will be focussing very hard on local Land Rover dealership problems.

He has an excellent background on solving dealership problems in remote areas.

He is also a great bloke.

Dennis

[JDNSW]

....

Now this is probably a good idea across the board, i would suggest. You should not pass a license in a Corolla, and then leap into a LC with 9+ pax, thoughts in general?
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No, I don't think it is a good idea - simply more bureaucracy (the current limit in NSW I think is 12 seats and 4.5tonnes). Introduction of separate licence classes within the range of vehicles commonly used as family cars is not, in my view, a good idea.

Part of the problem is how you divide up the licence classes. Your example is on number of passengers - but this does not reflect skill required to drive the vehicle. For example, how does the skill to drive my nine seat 110 differ from that required to drive a two or three seat 110 trayback? And the latter probably requires more skill to drive than does an eight or nine seat van that has been specifically designed to drive the same as a conventional car.

Then we have the perennial proposal for a special licence to drive a four wheel drive. Again, what is a "four wheel drive"? A RAV4? You obviously can't do it on number of driving wheels. On weight? A Series 1 80" is lighter than almost any small car today - but the skills to drive it are the same as those required to drive a 130.


Add the fact that additional licence classes would act to restrict employment opportunities, especially for those just entering the workforce.

John

[AndyG]

Will do, however its a 1000 km from me. Do you know if it is still with Carpenters.
Carrying spares would be an innovation in this part of the world !

AS a matter of interest we are all Toyota, warranty is 1,000 km or 12 months, whichever comes first. 1,000 that's no typo !

[rovercare]

Will do, however its a 1000 km from me. Do you know if it is still with Carpenters.
Carrying spares would be an innovation in this part of the world !

AS a matter of interest we are all Toyota, warranty is 1,000 km or 12 months, whichever comes first. 1,000 that's no typo !

I think that's reasonable considering:D

[AndyG]

No, I don't think it is a good idea - simply more bureaucracy (the current limit in NSW I think is 12 seats and 4.5tonnes). Introduction of separate licence classes within the range of vehicles commonly used as family cars is not, in my view, a good idea.

Part of the problem is how you divide up the licence classes. Your example is on number of passengers - but this does not reflect skill required to drive the vehicle. For example, how does the skill to drive my nine seat 110 differ from that required to drive a two or three seat 110 trayback? And the latter probably requires more skill to drive than does an eight or nine seat van that has been specifically designed to drive the same as a conventional car.

Then we have the perennial proposal for a special licence to drive a four wheel drive. Again, what is a "four wheel drive"? A RAV4? You obviously can't do it on number of driving wheels. On weight? A Series 1 80" is lighter than almost any small car today - but the skills to drive it are the same as those required to drive a 130.


Add the fact that additional licence classes would act to restrict employment opportunities, especially for those just entering the workforce.

John

Would not be an easy one, and as we have seen with the power rules for P plates, implementation is not perfect. But, when you consider the regular rollovers on Fraser by tourists in overloaded troopies, and the occasional lotto winner wiping out their Porsche. Now 12 pax and 4.5 tonnes to me seems overly generous and a lot of responsibility for a potentially novice driver, so i suppose i was thinking from the responsibility/potential risk aspect as opposed to the skills, although they overlap. Said same driver can jump in the L.C and drag a 30' caravan around Australia without a problem. Dunno, maybe we need a system of endorsements, even if based on some form of computerized testing for none mainstream driving, i.e. what is not taught in your iniital license. But once again the 90% suffer to catch /weed out the 10%.

[Blknight.aus]

no, but its the same here.

you can pass in a Jazz and literally the next day drive a 2t truck (altough still with P's on it)

[JDNSW]

...Dunno, maybe we need a system of endorsements, even if based on some form of computerized testing for none mainstream driving, i.e. what is not taught in your iniital license. But once again the 90% suffer to catch /weed out the 10%.

No, I do not think you need this. How about the majority of rural drivers who perhaps have never driven anything except the family four wheel drive? Next you will be requiring a special endorsement to drive in the city. Maybe a special endorsement to drive outside the city is more to the point - after all we have all these city people hitting roos, and every now and then one perishing after getting bogged or breaking down out of mobile coverage, so a special endorsement to drive away from mobile coverage is needed. Makes about as much sense as requiring a special licence to drive the family van. (Actually most rural road deaths are rural residents!)

Introducing ever more red tape to cover rare or hypothetical situations is a kneejerk reaction that would never happen if any sort of cost/benefit analysis was done.

And a driving licence is based on skill required, not any sort of risk analysis - if you are basing it on risk, the major differences, from the accident statistics, would seem to be the power weight ratio rather than the number of seats despite the occasional dramatic news item. The number of rollovers on Fraser Island is not a good reason to introduce more red tape for the tens of thousands of families with vans or four wheel drives with multiple seats. I doubt if introducing it would have any significant effect on the number of deaths and injuries on Fraser Id, although it might well reduce the number of tourists and send a few businesses to the wall.

John

P.S. There is no "z" in "computerised"!

[AndyG]

Well in the aulro spell checker it likes Z, must be USA, not British. And since internet is global, whats right & wrong.

Going back to my original booty of licenses, i can drive in Oz a car for 3 months based on my PNG license. I wonder if i can now drive a non articulated truck in Oz with my foreign license that covers that category, now there's a scary thought.

It was give us money and any license is yours.

[UncleHo]

G'day AndyG :)

I have just looked up my Qld driver's codes, and a Class "C" any motor vehicle up to a GVM of 4.5 tonnes :) the Class of "LR" light rigid -max 8t GVM no axle limit,shows light trucks and people movers (Coasters,Nissan Urvans Etc.)that would also include 10 seater Landrover wagons.

If you have class 3 which used to be rigid trucks over 3 tons you should not have any trouble,just remember the larger the vehicle the easier it is to drive,you just have to be aware of where your rear wheels are when turning a corner ;) it is common here to see women doing the school run with their and neighbours kids in a Toyota Delicia 8-10 passenger minibus on their car license as now that most cars are only 5 seaters any more than 3 kids Mum & Dad have to buy a people mover :(

Hope that is of help.

cheers

[Tote]

Many years ago I got my "Class 3 " licence in an automatic F250 that had a body large enough to put it over the GVM for a car licence. With the passage of time and automatic upgrades every time they screwed with the licence system I can now also drive anything that isn't articulated.
Gave the copper testing me the irrits when it came to the hill start part of the test though :D


Regards,

Tote

[3toes]

Country Australia early nineties. Drive to police station in Ford D series truck with cattle crate (empty) on back. Go in to see Policeman who does tests. Comes with me and we drive truck around the block. Each turn a left hand one so no need to cross traffic. On third keg pull over and do hill start from stop. Back to Police station and given licence category to drive a truck. Seems the test was the hill start with left hand side wheels in gravel. If I had spun the wheels at all would have failed the test.

[303gunner]

This was in yesterday's paper:


No Cookies | dailytelegraph.com.au (http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/plan-to-ban-interstate-drivers-from-nsw-roads-in-bid-to-recover-30-million-in-parking-and-traffic-fines/story-fni0cx12-1226937861849)


I think that is justified in theory, as NSW residents can have their licences cancelled for non-payment of fines, so the right to drive on NSW roads for non-payment on NSW fines should equally apply to interstate residents.

Interesting to read that interstate drivers are "extended the privilege" to drive here by the RMS, and that it is not a right as part of their licence.

[UncleHo]

Now that would be an interesting scenario,vehicle 123-XYZ booked for parking in George St Sydney on Sat ? 2009,said vehicle rego number 123-XYZ gets pulled over in Kempsey, owner gets license cancelled,only problem is that current owner who has only had his "new" secondhand vehicle for 2 months and is totally unaware of any outstanding fines/warrants for the previous owner, what happens then?

[Lotz-A-Landies]

On a trip across the Simpson one of the girls travelling in the group met a bloke who was the Met Scientist at Oodnadatta and decided to do the big lap with him in his Ford F250. She got her class 3 in Birdsville. Try finding a hill to start on and change down the gears while decending a hill in the main street there!

She may as well have stayed in the pub and got the coppa to write it out on the bar without getting into the truck.

[CraigE]

Hi Andy,
Off topic, but where do you live in PNG? I have put in for a job with oil search recently. Is Tok Pisin a hard language to learn?
I have spoken with one of my helicopter pilots and a guy that used to work at Ok Tedi and they both loved their time over there.
If it does come off will not be living in PNG but 28/28 roster.
Cheers
CraigE

[boa]

People I know, worked with were, at a camp in WA, near meeka had a visit all were given license upgrades on the spot. Just pay the money no test. Keeping the books in order. If you had car up one. If you had truck up one.

[AndyG]

Hi Andy,
Off topic, but where do you live in PNG? I have put in for a job with oil search recently. Is Tok Pisin a hard language to learn?
I have spoken with one of my helicopter pilots and a guy that used to work at Ok Tedi and they both loved their time over there.
If it does come off will not be living in PNG but 28/28 roster.
Cheers
CraigE

Hi Craig

I am in Bialla, WNBP on an Oil Palm Plantation

No it's pretty easy, its mainly bastardised German & English, probably 20 key nouns & verbs you need. It gets hard when they rattle off like a machine gun.

Can be a lot a fun and a good life experience, although living in a Camp on a FIFO could take the gloss off it.

[JDNSW]

Tok pisin is a creole, with the language structure largely based on Melanesian languages, but the vocabulary is mostly English with a lot of words from other languages. Which in one sense makes it easier, but can make it more difficult, because the word may be unrecognisable (especially if written or spoken rapidly) or may be recognisable but have an unexpected meaning, or at least connotation, different from the English. (e.g., the name of the language comes from the English words "talk pidgin", pidgin actually being a word used in other English related creoles now part of standard English, but originally a distortion of "business" - while you can see how it got there, neither the spelling (and pronunciation) nor meaning is obvious)

John

[THE BOOGER]

Now that would be an interesting scenario,vehicle 123-XYZ booked for parking in George St Sydney on Sat ? 2009,said vehicle rego number 123-XYZ gets pulled over in Kempsey, owner gets license cancelled,only problem is that current owner who has only had his "new" secondhand vehicle for 2 months and is totally unaware of any outstanding fines/warrants for the previous owner, what happens then?

Same as happens now stat decs etc and please explain why rego was not transferred straight away:)
Our current system you get a warning letter before cancelation then a letter telling you from when your lic is cancelled police don't normally do it on the side of the road(cancel licences that is):D

[rovercare]

Can be a lot a fun and a good life experience, although living in a Camp on a FIFO could take the gloss off it.

It does, but the day rate usually makes up for it:)