Yoke or joystick for ab initio ?

[superquag]

Would like to know what the General opinion is on the merits of flight yoke or joystick, as being quicker to master for the L -plate pilot. Which interface gives the steepest rate-of-climb to smooooth control...

Specifically, the merits of a Cessna 150/wheel compared to a Tecnam Eagle's/'stick as being the easier/predictable/safer to learn on. (Both tricycles, props spin same way)

One could be cynical and ask which one brings the student back for more le$$ons than if they'd gone the 'other' mode.

Have always been curious and interested, and to start the ball rolling... (sorry, obscure one) my gut feeling is... The wheel with it's obvious visual cue suits a larger craft, where stability and fine control is appropriate, whereas a stick is more instinctive and quicker for larger deviations, where precision over longer periods of time is less used. Wheel for cruising gently, stick for hooning.

With all due respect to Airbus, I feel a little less secure on their craft than a Boing. Especially if the Captain is right-handed and the co-pilot isn't...

[strangy]

Irrelevant, the principles of flight apply in any case and the control type has no bearing on rate of climb or "smoothness."
Your concerns should be around the quality of flight instruction and how that organisation can provide you with the best opportunity to achieve your goals, be they Private or Commercial ambitions.
If someone offering you flight instruction has suggested this to you, go to someone else.

[aussearcher]

Agree completely with Strangy. I learnt to fly in sailplanes, they were all stick. When I converted to power, it was a wheel, but absolutely no issues and no difference.

(as an aside, one of my gliding instructors had grown up on wheels (Lancasters) and one had grown up on sticks (Fulke Wulf 190). They were best buddies.)

[superquag]

Apologies... ...

From.... gives the steepest rate-of-climb to smooooth control...

Was in a rush to post, I meant to write 'steepest rate of accomplishing smooth control' (over the aircraft, not un-intentionally moving the other axis as one is intentionally moved)...
- Was thinking of the term 'R of C' as in a steep learning curve, - and that's what came out! :o

If someone ..... has suggested this to you, go to someone else.
No they hadn't and yes I would !

Shrt story is.... a discussion on ergonomics of steering wheel size/shape on older and new coaches. - How the smaller wheel with it's quicker/easier response may be a factor in some 'run off the road' incidents. All newer busses...
It progressed to boats, *ships...then took off into aircraft.:angel:

Neither worries me, having had a little bit of hands-on, Cessna and Auster. Yes, it was a long time ago...;)
Sub-plot is... have been offered a gift voucher, my choice of either Vintage or the Vroooom....
- Doing my homework so as to get the best value . :cool:

*There's a certain 'state of the art' large ferry that has a 2" wheel. Yep, 50mm. Like a large knob on a potentiometer, which is what it is...

[stallie]

No practical difference. As mentioned, there are other greater variables.

BTW I swap between left and right seats on the Airbus sometimes a couple of times a day. There is no difference in your handedness. Your fears are unfounded. (And have you ever thought on Boeings, which hand is on the captain's yoke during landing...?)

And the following day I might be in the left or right seat of a medium sized turboprop with an old fashioned yoke doing twelve takeoff and landings in a day.

Honestly, I don't give the stick/yoke/left right any thought, and as a former instructor believe there is no difference for abinitio.

[JDNSW]

Irrelevant.

I learnt on Victas with a stick, cross countrys with a yoke in a Musketeer, then bought an Auster with a stick, traded it on a Cessna 180 with a yoke - no problem with the type of control - the other differences between aircraft were far more important.

John

[solmanic]

On light aircraft it doesn't really matter whether you are using stick or yoke, you'll still only be using one hand either way so it feels much the same.

It really depends on whether you want to pretend you're flying a Boeing or a military jet. If you have the money you can go for the Cirrus and pretend you're being flown by an Airbus. ;)

[cripesamighty]

Most of the fighters in WWII had sticks, but the Lockheed P-38 had a yoke. I don't recall reading that it hampered them that badly. I assume it will be horses for courses and you can learn ok with either.

[jonesy61]

Whatever is in front of you when you strap in.

Dunno, I think stick does give a more natural intuitive feel to it.

Some experience in gliders and cubs, mostly fly Mr Cessna's products up to CS and RG 100 series. Low time PPL here.

[superquag]

Ah well, will flip a coin on the day... :D

[superquag]

Irrelevant.

I learnt on Victas with a stick, cross countrys with a yoke in a Musketeer, then bought an Auster with a stick, traded it on a Cessna 180 with a yoke - no problem with the type of control - the other differences between aircraft were far more important.

John

How many exhaust valves (heads) did you have rattling around inside the cylinders?
- Or did your valve seats go first.... :wasntme:

[JDNSW]

How many exhaust valves (heads) did you have rattling around inside the cylinders?
- Or did your valve seats go first.... :wasntme:
Never had any engine trouble whatever with the Auster, but I only owned it for two years, and traded it on a Cessna 180, as I had moved to PNG, and the Auster did not seem to be a good idea.

The only actual engine trouble I have ever had was on one occasion coming from Melbourne to Dubbo in a Grumman Tiger, it dropped a valve over The Rock, and I made an emergency landing at Wagga. (fortunately I was at 9500ft)

John

[superquag]

- Got it, - the Answer I mean.


When I win Lotto...

- Or find a full-time/well paying job. :D