That time of year again, Bledisloe

[bob10]

5 things learned from the Wallaby France tests, Bob


Five things we learned from Wallabies-France third Test (http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/union-news/five-things-we-learned-from-wallabiesfrance-third-test-20140621-zshd4.html)

[Celtoid]

5 things learned from the Wallaby France tests, Bob


Five things we learned from Wallabies-France third Test (http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/union-news/five-things-we-learned-from-wallabiesfrance-third-test-20140621-zshd4.html)


Bob,

Thanks for the links.

Unfortunately I haven't had much of a chance to watch any international rugby of late (plenty of local Reds games) but have been buoyed by the recent Wallaby success. I know you are a hard core watcher.

So are the French just playing badly or is Owen McKenzie making a difference, in your opinion?

Cheer,

Kev.

[disco man]

The Wallabies are lacking the tight 5 to trouble the All Blacks,and the thinking that beating a French team missing a lot of their best players is somehow a proper hitout before the Bledisloe cup is way of the mark. In the second test when the French decided to play rugby, the Wallabies had no creativity or no answer to constant pressure. Always kicking instead of backing themselves to run the ball.

Yes they got the win but by no means was it convincing and it showed how far the Wallabies need to go to beat the All blacks.In contrast the All blacks vs England series showed that the improvement by the All blacks in 3 games against a far better team is also something the Wallabies did not do against the french.

The only position the Wallabies have a slight advantage is fullback,but the set piece and breakdown is also a weak point for the Wallabies.Also they are lacking creativity in attack,IMO i can't see them beating the All blacks or making much of an impression in the four nations either.

[bob10]

Bob,

Thanks for the links.

Unfortunately I haven't had much of a chance to watch any international rugby of late (plenty of local Reds games) but have been buoyed by the recent Wallaby success. I know you are a hard core watcher.

So are the French just playing badly or is Owen McKenzie making a difference, in your opinion?

Cheer,

Kev.


I believe MacKenzie has slowly been changing the culture in Wallaby rugby, Deans just didn't get it. There will be more discipline in the side, Schoolboy antics will be punished, off field , and not tolerated on. Cooper is finished. The work ethic is back. Slowly, they have been developing competition for positions. No ones place is set in stone. The future looks good. The French ? Game one was the dirt track team. Game two was the best on offer. Game three , were out muscled. Early days, but this team will play good rugby, win, lose or draw. No more schoolboy rugby, I predict. Bob

[disco man]

I believe MacKenzie has slowly been changing the culture in Wallaby rugby, Deans just didn't get it. There will be more discipline in the side, Schoolboy antics will be punished, off field , and not tolerated on. Cooper is finished. The work ethic is back. Slowly, they have been developing competition for positions. No ones place is set in stone. The future looks good. The French ? Game one was the dirt track team. Game two was the best on offer. Game three , were out muscled. Early days, but this team will play good rugby, win, lose or draw. No more schoolboy rugby, I predict. Bob

Some very good points in their Bob yes there is some very positive signs for the future,and fully agree that cooper is gone.Deans i think tried to make the Wallabies play New Zealand style rugby which was never going to work.

What the Wallabies used to be famous for was running rugby and that is where i think they need to go.

[Celtoid]

I believe MacKenzie has slowly been changing the culture in Wallaby rugby, Deans just didn't get it. There will be more discipline in the side, Schoolboy antics will be punished, off field , and not tolerated on. Cooper is finished. The work ethic is back. Slowly, they have been developing competition for positions. No ones place is set in stone. The future looks good. The French ? Game one was the dirt track team. Game two was the best on offer. Game three , were out muscled. Early days, but this team will play good rugby, win, lose or draw. No more schoolboy rugby, I predict. Bob


You don't think Cooper will ever play again?


I actually liked the Cooper story on many fronts, off and on the field ... It was a good lesson for kids today ... yeah I'm over 50, I can say that :-) ... and the people they interact with. Who knows how the tale was going to end but it did show that McKenzie's interest, support and courage was paying off....once again both on and off the field. Many kids and mentors could learn from that.


I actually though that his (Cooper's) consistency was improving ... and when the combination of support and him on fire came together ... it was a thing to witness. I believe he has always been judged too unfairly.


Cheers,


Kev.

[Celtoid]

I still can't get my head around the NZ tactics of last year ... don't want to start a war .. but outcome aside, I felt that when the Kiwis got in strife last BC, they flapped and fouled. It seamed like a tactic. As soon as they got pressured in their 50, they fouled and broke down play.


I don't think winning at any cost is a good plan to follow. It breaks the flow of the game and makes it a crap spectator sport ... unless you only want to see the score at the end.


What to me seams to be lost, is the fact that by default we are all paying their wages and we pay to see them compete, not cheat.... ;-). I'm sorry, if you're giving away a penalty, you're breaking the rules. If it's an individual mind-snap, it's understandable ... if it's a team tactic ... well that sux!


The Kiwis have no need to play that way, they are a world beating, formidable force .... I'd just like to see them expand their repertoire to cover all aspects of the game. The day they get a Ref with balls on the field, it will seriously tarnish their game and reputation.


Just play the freakin game ...


OK, rant over ... :-)

[Alra]

Hi all,

I think Bernard Foley had a bit of a shocker in yesterday's game. So to be able to still put a team to the sword when our primary play maker was out of sorts is great. I also think Cooper won't see international competition again unless injury forces him back into the line up. I also think the same for Genia. And I'm a Reds man, a paid up member.

Regards,

Dan.

[Redback]

I've always followed the Wallabies, whether they are winning or losing, it takes time to get teams to where you want them and why there are one or two teams that dominate, all the teams have had there down periods, it's always been this way, time will tell whether the Wallabies can get on top again.

I'm looking forward to the Bledisloe, it always brings the best Rugby out of both teams.

Baz.

[bob10]

You don't think Cooper will ever play again?


I actually liked the Cooper story on many fronts, off and on the field ... It was a good lesson for kids today ... yeah I'm over 50, I can say that :-) ... and the people they interact with. Who knows how the tale was going to end but it did show that McKenzie's interest, support and courage was paying off....once again both on and off the field. Many kids and mentors could learn from that.


I actually though that his (Cooper's) consistency was improving ... and when the combination of support and him on fire came together ... it was a thing to witness. I believe he has always been judged too unfairly.


Cheers,


Kev.


Let you in on a little secret. When Cooper played against the All Blacks, there was a bit of history. Some native All blacks wanted his head. Every time they ran past him, they threatened him, he lost the plot, went to water. I don't want to see him in a Wallaby jumper again. Just a personal observation, Bob

[Celtoid]

Let you in on a little secret. When Cooper played against the All Blacks, there was a bit of history. Some native All blacks wanted his head. Every time they ran past him, they threatened him, he lost the plot, went to water. I don't want to see him in a Wallaby jumper again. Just a personal observation, Bob



I'm sorry Bob, I just don't get that. Are we talking sport or some tribal, unlawful warfare? Cooper gave McCaw a few touch ups, and in many folks eyes McCaw deserved it, and now they want his head?! Isn't that their fear? I'd love to see some of those guys step in the ring with Cooper ... front on and no cheap shots! Don't matter how big and bad anybody looks, if you've fought professionally, it means nothing unless the other guy has the same cred. Or are you referring to something else?


So if a Wallaby gets threatened, he should be removed? What about some of the disgusting players that have worn that black shirt in the past ... Mr Low comes to mind. Plenty of Aussies wanted his head ...so he should have left the AB team? If sport gets that bad ... we should just give up. Or are you referring to how he reacted in the past when threatened?


Cooper historically went to water on many occasions, as have many players, he also did stupid antagonistic things, but my point was, he seemed to be becoming more aggressive, more assertive and more consistent. I think it was a combination of things coming together to help his confidence but certainly to do with his time in the ring. He was far from perfect but a weapon when on fire and supported. Watching most of the Reds games this season, he screwed up out of a want to get stuff moving ... the same move that would be lauded if it came off! I witnessed Cooper put down some of the hardest hits I've ever seen ... front on, no BS! I think he was changing for the better ... McCaw on the other hand ... first game I saw him play against the Reds this season ... fouled and penalised within minutes of the start ... same old style, same old tactics ... cost his team points!!!


Can you explain this dark undertone a little better, or am I missing the point completely?


Thanks,

Kev.

[bob10]

Can you explain this dark undertone a little better, or am I missing the point completely?


Thanks,

Kev.


My NZ friends tell me there was a woman involved. Nothing to do with rugby. The payback was to happen off the field. Bob

[Celtoid]

My NZ friends tell me there was a woman involved. Nothing to do with rugby. The payback was to happen off the field. Bob

Ah .....

Three sides to every story Bob .... "Yours, Mine and the Truth" ... so the saying goes.

Anyway ...

Cheers mate.

[bob10]

The ARU paid for personal security for the Wallabies, [ I believe]. My brothers partners brother [ Ok , I know] was tasked with baby sitting Cooper, Of course he could not/ would not give details, except to suggest Cooper was a handful. Bob

[Celtoid]

The ARU paid for personal security for the Wallabies, [ I believe]. My brothers partners brother [ Ok , I know] was tasked with baby sitting Cooper, Of course he could not/ would not give details, except to suggest Cooper was a handful. Bob


I wasn't doubting the facts you presented Bob, I was merely referring to the murky world of truth when there are women and men involved in an intimate situation, that turns ugly.


I have no idea about the event you are referring to but there are millions of stories about two consenting adults getting together and then a pooh storm occurs afterwards.


There have also been lots of accusations against footballers of all codes regarding sexual misconduct. Many are true, plenty have been found to be false due to various reasons.


As I said, I know nothing of the event, was just proffering an old adage.


Cheers,


Kev.

[disco man]

I guess the comments aimed at Richie Mcaw are somewhat correct but at the same time can anyone name a better number 7 in world rugby? His tactics are nothing new yet the wallabies still have not worked out how to stop it.

Every year the Australian press has a big sook in the papers and to the IRB about how Richie is a cheat and bends the rules.But the wallabies are the only country that says anything.SouthAfrica,England,Ireland,Wales,France, Argentina, have worked out how to deal with him and return fire without dropping the bottom lip.

[Celtoid]

I guess the comments aimed at Richie Mcaw are somewhat correct but at the same time can anyone name a better number 7 in world rugby? His tactics are nothing new yet the wallabies still have not worked out how to stop it.

Every year the Australian press has a big sook in the papers and to the IRB about how Richie is a cheat and bends the rules.But the wallabies are the only country that says anything.SouthAfrica,England,Ireland,Wales,France, Argentina, have worked out how to deal with him and return fire without dropping the bottom lip.

I think it has been made clear that the Kiwis and McCaw play world beating rugby. It's been suggested that it would be good to see them play that all through the game, especially when under pressure.

I can't comment on the rest of the world's opinion, but last year was the worst spectacle I can remember seeing.....the Kiwis' had fouled (and been penalised) about a thousand times (obvious exaggeration) in their own half and the mealie mouthed Ref took about a year to actually pull, with a shaking hand, a coloured card out of his pocket. It was nothing short of disgusting. Even Kiwi mates of mine were lacking in their usual unwavering support for their team. Had the Ref stamped his authority, the ABs would have had to play the game, under pressure, in their own half. They may have lost, they may have won but it would have been a much better game to watch.

It's not the oppositions job to stop the other team fouling .... how do you do that? .... it's the Ref's responsibility, to show some balls, get the message across and actually control the game. We've all seen it in the past when you have a crap Ref ... NRL State Of Origin being a classic example ... The game becomes un-entertaining, un-watchable.

Obviously a Ref going too far makes the game just as un-watchable!

If you're giving away penalties, you aren't bending the rules ... you're breaking them. The rules are there to keep the players as safe as practicable and keep the game a spectator worthy sport.

[disco man]

I think it has been made clear that the Kiwis and McCaw play world beating rugby. It's been suggested that it would be good to see them play that all through the game, especially when under pressure.

I can't comment on the rest of the world's opinion, but last year was the worst spectacle I can remember seeing.....the Kiwis' had fouled (and been penalised) about a thousand times (obvious exaggeration) in their own half and the mealie mouthed Ref took about a year to actually pull, with a shaking hand, a coloured card out of his pocket. It was nothing short of disgusting. Even Kiwi mates of mine were lacking in their usual unwavering support for their team. Had the Ref stamped his authority, the ABs would have had to play the game, under pressure, in their own half. They may have lost, they may have won but it would have been a much better game to watch.

It's not the oppositions job to stop the other team fouling .... how do you do that? .... it's the Ref's responsibility, to show some balls, get the message across and actually control the game. We've all seen it in the past when you have a crap Ref ... NRL State Of Origin being a classic example ... The game becomes un-entertaining, un-watchable.

Obviously a Ref going too far makes the game just as un-watchable!

If you're giving away penalties, you aren't bending the rules ... you're breaking them. The rules are there to keep the players as safe as practicable and keep the game a spectator worthy sport.


Well said mate some very good points in there.I will admit Richie gets away with a hell of a lot more than most players why that is i don't know.Generally i find the northern hemisphere refs are the worst.

Personally i think there is far to many penalties and teams from Europe play for them.The IRB needs to reduce a penalty from 3 to 2 points and encourage teams to score try's.Rugby when played in a open style is awesome to watch,but when it's nothing more than teams kicking for goal it's as boring as bat****.

Some of the recent 6 nations games have been very painful to watch.

[bob10]

Two things. Watched Crusaders V Chiefs. What a great game of rugby. And, fare well Will Genia, welcome Nick Frisby. Rugby, a moving feast. Incidentally, No biting, or diving in the throes of pain. But a lot of theatre. Bob

[TerryO]

Well its that time of year when the die hard Wallaby supporters get all excited about what might happen when their team runs out to do battle against their humble friendly and all round nice guy Kiwi cousins. ... :twisted:

So Bob and all you long suffering Wallaby supporters what do you reckon is going to happen when the Wallabies meet the All Blacks? ... :angel:

[sheerluck]

So, what side are you cheering for then Terry? :D

Me, I'd like to see the Wallabies give it a good go, but ultimately, so long as it's a good game and doesn't end up sounding like the ref's swallowed his whistle, I'll be happy. ;)

[Saitch]

I'm quietly confident & hoping for a good contest without too much "Man in The Middle" input. (Except on Richie of course:D)
Steve

[bob10]

I'd love a win, but personally I think it is 12 months away. 1 out of 3 would be realistic this year. The Wallabies are building their depth. There is now a second tier competition , which will expose more young players to a higher class of Rugby. Not sure about Charles at Hooker, The forward pack will be tested tonight. The ace in the pack, IMO, will be the bench, if the Wallabies are still in it with 20 to go, anything can happen. We'll see, looking forward to it, Bob

[Alra]

I guess the comments aimed at Richie Mcaw are somewhat correct but at the same time can anyone name a better number 7 in world rugby? His tactics are nothing new yet the wallabies still have not worked out how to stop it.

Every year the Australian press has a big sook in the papers and to the IRB about how Richie is a cheat and bends the rules.But the wallabies are the only country that says anything.SouthAfrica,England,Ireland,Wales,France, Argentina, have worked out how to deal with him and return fire without dropping the bottom lip.

Michael Hooper!

I was just searching the forum jumper and noticed that Rugby isn't an option. What can be done to have the game played in heaven have its own forum? Can't wait for the big game.

Cheers,

Danial.

[bob10]

A blast from the past , should be a good game, but I'll repeat my words in another thread here today, 12 months too early for the Wallabies. Any win this year, will do. Next year, is the year. Bob

[incisor]

let the poor kiwi have his moment in the sun


god knows they don't get many.....

[Celtoid]

So, what side are you cheering for then Terry? :D

Me, I'd like to see the Wallabies give it a good go, but ultimately, so long as it's a good game and doesn't end up sounding like the ref's swallowed his whistle, I'll be happy. ;)


I'm with you mate.


If we have the repeats of the last few games/years it might be time to stop watching the game or at least this part of it.


I'm so sick of the gutless Refs!!!


If any team wins fair and square, hats off ... you deserved it ... but I haven't seen that in quite a while!

[Hastykiwi]

I'd love a win, but personally I think it is 12 months away. 1 out of 3 would be realistic this year. The Wallabies are building their depth. There is now a second tier competition , which will expose more young players to a higher class of Rugby. Not sure about Charles at Hooker, The forward pack will be tested tonight. The ace in the pack, IMO, will be the bench, if the Wallabies are still in it with 20 to go, anything can happen. We'll see, looking forward to it, Bob

I don't know if your saying this from genuine belief, or just covering your bets if they lose. If they don't win tonight, I'm not sure what difference 12 months will make. They won't have significantly different talent to choose from.

Having said that, I fully endorse the comment re 2nd tier comp. This has been Aus' archilles heel for the last 20 years. For so long it has been musical chairs through out the S15 teams for the Wallaby incumbents, backed up by journymen.

Now there is an opportunity to create a pathway, with more branches than ever before, and to develop local talent. I hope it works. There are so many good kids playing, and no matter whther its in NZ or Aus, they all start the same, it what happens after that, that shapes them.

My one fear is that the new 2nd tier teams will ignore whats on thier doorstep, and raid NZ for talent to start their teams. It would be to both countries detriment.

Grab a beer, strap in, and good luck.

Nick

[sheerluck]

Well it's halftime, and still pretty close, though the Kiwis have one in the bin for 9 mins of the second half.

Feel it could go either way at the moment.

[Celtoid]

Well it's halftime, and still pretty close, though the Kiwis have one in the bin for 9 mins of the second half.

Feel it could go either way at the moment.


Wallabies up to the last few minutes ... or a few more, were asleep at the wheel.


Surprising penalty (or potential penalty) count don't you think ... ;-)


LOL!!!

[Saitch]

Soooo close...............and yet, so far away!

[sheerluck]

Wallabies up to the last few minutes ... or a few more, were asleep at the wheel.


Surprising penalty (or potential penalty) count don't you think ... ;-)


LOL!!!

Surprising? Hmmmm. :D

Two in the bin for the Kiwis, but still only a draw. Was a good watch though.

[Celtoid]

Surprising? Hmmmm. :D

Two in the bin for the Kiwis, but still only a draw. Was a good watch though.


Hey the Ref was getting better ..... it only took four ABs off-side at any given time and he was on them :p.


Maybe next time they'll get one that can count to 15 ....

[sheerluck]

Hey the Ref was getting better ..... it only took four ABs off-side at any given time and he was on them :p.


Maybe next time they'll get one that can count to 15 ....

So what's the problem? The off-side rule is like the DRS system in cricket, you don't have to sign up to use it if you don't want to. Just that nobody told the Wallabies team in advance. :D

[bob10]

I don't know if your saying this from genuine belief, or just covering your bets if they lose. If they don't win tonight, I'm not sure what difference 12 months will make. They won't have significantly different talent to choose from.

Having said that, I fully endorse the comment re 2nd tier comp. This has been Aus' archilles heel for the last 20 years. For so long it has been musical chairs through out the S15 teams for the Wallaby incumbents, backed up by journymen.

Now there is an opportunity to create a pathway, with more branches than ever before, and to develop local talent. I hope it works. There are so many good kids playing, and no matter whther its in NZ or Aus, they all start the same, it what happens after that, that shapes them.

My one fear is that the new 2nd tier teams will ignore whats on thier doorstep, and raid NZ for talent to start their teams. It would be to both countries detriment.

Grab a beer, strap in, and good luck.

Nick
:angel:
You wouldn't know honesty if you tripped over it :p. There will be a huge difference in 12 months time, a few new faces, better combinations, More players given experience at the top level. The ARU had a one off championship in 2007, a financial disaster, and wasn't repeated, until this year. Players such as Like Burgess, Shawn Mackay, Matt hodgson, Ben Daley, David Pocock, Kurtley Beale, Josh Holmes, the Faingaa brothers were given the chance to show their wares . The fact that so many made their way to Test Rugby is the greatest recommendation for the new National Rugby Championship, which starts at Ballymore Thursday night, & goes for 11 weeks.


Some young players to watch;
Brisbane City
Sam Talakai [ prop with big wraps] Michael Gunn [ flanker] , Jake Mcintyre, Harry Parker


Qld Country
Lolo Fakaosilea, Campbell Magnay, Pierce Fitzgerald.


Brisbane City V Sydney Stars are on Fox 1 Thursday 7.30 pm.


BTW, all squads have been selected, and all players are resident Australians. This comp is to benefit Australian Rugby, not NZ.


The 11 week season will enable Brisbane City coach Nick Stiles & Qld. counterpart Steve Meehan to appraise aspiring club players & Reds Wider Training squad players in higher company besides perhaps 7 or 8 Reds in any game. The same applies to the other State Teams. In effect, it is a audition for the big time, to see who can handle all aspects of Super Rugby, from the demands of travel, consistent performances training, etc.


As for the first Bledisloe, with the amount of basic errors the Wallabies committed in the first quarter, previous teams would have been flogged. The fact they weren't , is a good sign for the future. Hooper has a lot to learn as Captain, and there's only one way he can do that. I hope Beale doesn't become McKenzies Cooper. Saturday night will tell, Bob

[Hastykiwi]

:angel:
You wouldn't know honesty if you tripped over it :p. There will be a huge difference in 12 months time, a few new faces, better combinations, More players given experience at the top level. The ARU had a one off championship in 2007, a financial disaster, and wasn't repeated, until this year. Players such as Like Burgess, Shawn Mackay, Matt hodgson, Ben Daley, David Pocock, Kurtley Beale, Josh Holmes, the Faingaa brothers were given the chance to show their wares . The fact that so many made their way to Test Rugby is the greatest recommendation for the new National Rugby Championship, which starts at Ballymore Thursday night, & goes for 11 weeks.


Some young players to watch;
Brisbane City
Sam Talakai [ prop with big wraps] Michael Gunn [ flanker] , Jake Mcintyre, Harry Parker


Qld Country
Lolo Fakaosilea, Campbell Magnay, Pierce Fitzgerald.


Brisbane City V Sydney Stars are on Fox 1 Thursday 7.30 pm.


BTW, all squads have been selected, and all players are resident Australians. This comp is to benefit Australian Rugby, not NZ.


The 11 week season will enable Brisbane City coach Nick Stiles & Qld. counterpart Steve Meehan to appraise aspiring club players & Reds Wider Training squad players in higher company besides perhaps 7 or 8 Reds in any game. The same applies to the other State Teams. In effect, it is a audition for the big time, to see who can handle all aspects of Super Rugby, from the demands of travel, consistent performances training, etc.


As for the first Bledisloe, with the amount of basic errors the Wallabies committed in the first quarter, previous teams would have been flogged. The fact they weren't , is a good sign for the future. Hooper has a lot to learn as Captain, and there's only one way he can do that. I hope Beale doesn't become McKenzies Cooper. Saturday night will tell, Bob

Really? Be careful, your wanky emoticons don't minimise the intent of what you type.

Did you actually read my post. I never said it was to benefit NZ. I used the word detriment. You do know what that means don't you?

I hope the 2nd tier comp helps, however my fear is that NZ NPC level players will be pulled in to fill the lack of depth here. Now, you've said EVERY player is an AUs resident. Have you verified this? If its something you have just requoted, then surely you must realise this doesn't actually exclude a NZer, as all NZ'ers who arrive here are Aus residents for tax purposes.

Personally I hope you are right. There are a heap of kids running around every weekend that will be of benefit to Aus rugby, but I worry that the administrators will want quick success, and take the easy option.

[bob10]

Really? Be careful, your wanky emoticons don't minimise the intent of what you type.

Did you actually read my post. I never said it was to benefit NZ. I used the word detriment. You do know what that means don't you?

I hope the 2nd tier comp helps, however my fear is that NZ NPC level players will be pulled in to fill the lack of depth here. Now, you've said EVERY player is an AUs resident. Have you verified this? If its something you have just requited, then surely you must realise doesn't actually exclude a NZer, as all NZ'ers who arrive here are Aus residents for tax purposes.

Personally I hope you are right. There are a heap of kids running around every weekend that will be of benefit to Aus rugby, but I worry that the administrators will want quick success, and take the easy option.


Be careful? Is that a threat? Don't. Your sense of humour needs work. I am right. You are wrong. And NZ NPC players are not wanted here, Not needed in this comp.. I'll say again, this new competition is for the advancement of Australian Rugby. No player eligible for NZ is needed, or wanted. So, get this straight, WE DON"T NEED YOU . Can't make it any clearer than that. Yes, we have islanders in our side, the same as NZ has Samoans , Fijians, Tongans, in theirs. You send yours back, We'll send ours. [ just kidding] Bob

[Hastykiwi]

No it was not a threat, more you just need to watch how far you push your grandstanding.

Honestly Bob. Do you bother to read the posts. WHERE have I said that Aus need NZ players? Where?

I have been pointing out, obviously completely obliviously to your limited comprehension, that Aus should NOT pick overseas players for this comp. My point, that completely escapes you as usual, is that I fear they will for short term gains.

WA 5 kiwis
Brisbane 2 Samoans, 3 canadians, 1PPNG, 1 Saffa etc.

But you just carry on with your little rant, ignoring what people actually write, and bring on the confused diatribe you call logic.

[Celtoid]

So what's the problem? The off-side rule is like the DRS system in cricket, you don't have to sign up to use it if you don't want to. Just that nobody told the Wallabies team in advance. :D

Wish I knew what that meant ... Then I'd know if you were taking the **** out of me .... LOL!!! I don't follow cricket :-(

[Celtoid]

No it was not a threat, more you just need to watch how far you push your grandstanding.

Honestly Bob. Do you bother to read the posts. WHERE have I said that Aus need NZ players? Where?

I have been pointing out, obviously completely obliviously to your limited comprehension, that Aus should NOT pick overseas players for this comp. My point, that completely escapes you as usual, is that I fear they will for short term gains.

WA 5 kiwis
Brisbane 2 Samoans, 3 canadians, 1PPNG, 1 Saffa etc.

But you just carry on with your little rant, ignoring what people actually write, and bring on the confused diatribe you call logic.

I recon you guys would get on great in real life. I imagine a scene from a movie where two guys, usually cranky old guys (sorry) pick at each other all the time but would kill to defend each other.

:-)

[DiscoMick]

I thought the All Blacks were below par on Saturday while our blokes managed to sneak in a draw, despite being sloppy for most of the first half. They were better in the second half and looked like they were actually starting to think they could win.
Both sides could improve quite a lot I thought, so I think it was a fair result for that particular game. Questions are, will the Wallabies continue to improve, and will the Blacks get back to their best?

[TerryO]

Hi Bob ...:p :angel:

[disco man]

The mighty All Blacks smashed Australia in all areas of the game tonight.It showed their is still a huge gap between the two sides.Last game in Sydney is the worst i have seen the All Blacks play for a few years.

The Wallabies tonight looked no different than Wallaby teams from the last decade.The ref did a very good job,he made it clear from the start what he wanted.Last week Australia showed some very good signs,but tonight their was no improvement on last week.

To all those people who bag Ritchie,calling him too old or a cheat or whatever,i think tonight he proved he is still the best number 7 in the world.For those that disagree tell me who is a better number 7 in world rugby?

Major improvement is needed by the Wallabies or the Springboks will put 30 points on them as well.

[disco man]

Awesome result by the All Blacks,could have easily been 60 points.Not hearing much from the Aussie supporters.

[bob10]

Amazing. After the draw, nothing. After the win, the experts come out. I've made my thoughts known. Next year. Bob

[bob10]

No it was not a threat, more you just need to watch how far you push your grandstanding.

Honestly Bob. Do you bother to read the posts. WHERE have I said that Aus need NZ players? Where?

I have been pointing out, obviously completely obliviously to your limited comprehension, that Aus should NOT pick overseas players for this comp. My point, that completely escapes you as usual, is that I fear they will for short term gains.

WA 5 kiwis
Brisbane 2 Samoans, 3 canadians, 1PPNG, 1 Saffa etc.

But you just carry on with your little rant, ignoring what people actually write, and bring on the confused diatribe you call logic.


Grandstanding? You are on top of that grandstand, mate. Limited comprehension? Goodness me, what are you on? Bob

[TerryO]

Come on Bob I had a little something to say after last weeks game.

As you knew I would ... ;)

[jerryd]

"A comedy of errors".......summed it up by one commentator. I thought it was a good game and the right team won :)

[windsock]

One more year boys... Bought to you by a record breaking score too bigorrah!


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[windsock]

Amazing. After the draw, nothing. After the win, the experts come out. I've made my thoughts known. Next year. Bob



Sorry you missed us Bob, really, we should have been there for you mate. Wasn't much to say about a draw under the circumstances but then, well, as you said, try again next year... :)

[bob10]

This says it all, and I agree. Totally. Next year, [ with a few more Queenslanders in the team.] Bob

;)


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[bob10]

And for you poor kiwis who have nothing but Rugby, I give you this, Bob

next year , see you then

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[Celtoid]

Very tough, physical game ...


Great to see the Kiwis resort to playing Vs cheating ... well after Richie (surprise, surprise) getting sent off ;-). Sure the Aussie went shortly after that but he had a mind snap versus a career agenda ... LOL.


Sorry, just stirring the pot. :)


Australia was crap and deserved to lose. They had 10 or so minutes when they got it together, buckled the ABs and scored tries on well contested scrums and field play ... but other than that, they were crap. They got schooled on what happens when you are weak and sloppy in both general play and failing to prepare for the counter-punch. The ABs are the Kings Of Pain if you are not in the game 100%.


I know the ABs didn't play the best last week and they lifted this week but Geez ... the Wallabies just lost it. I know they were under pressure which makes teams fold ... but they looked like they were asleep for most of the game, just had no intensity at all. Bizarre ..... maybe it was the Jet-Lag :-)

[Celtoid]

Hi Bob ...:p :angel:


Pretty simple Terry ... the Wallabies played **** ....!!!!

:(

[bob10]

This is fair comment, I think, Bob


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[DiscoMick]

The ABs rule - gotta admit it. Back to their best. Respect. Left our blokes floundering except for 10 mins in the second half.

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[TerryO]

Or it could be said, which would be more accurate, that the All Blacks played brilliantly. Imagine how bad the score would be if the sooky refs stopped sending our players off every five minutes for minor infringements.

Stop knocking your team fellas just because they lost to the All Blacks (again ;)). The Wallabies are a very good team, top three in the world aren't they? The problem is they are just not the best team.

On the bright side you get to see them play the best team in the world every year in the Bledisloe Cup. ...:angel::p;)

And trust me for us Kiwis we wouldn't have it any other way, we enjoy watching the Wallabies play our boys.

[bob10]

Or it could be said, which would be more accurate, that the All Blacks played brilliantly. Imagine how bad the score would be if the sooky refs stopped sending our players off every five minutes for minor infringements.

Stop knocking your team fellas just because they lost to the All Blacks (again ;)). The Wallabies are a very good team, top three in the world aren't they? The problem is they are just not the best team.

On the bright side you get to them play the best team in the world every year in the Bledisloe Cup. ...:angel::p;)


Fair enough, rub it in. But that was the loss the Wallabies needed. Hooper is a good player, but they need Pocock as captain, to steady the ship. I haven't given up on them, I wouldn't get too cocky. Just makes it sweeter when we beat you. Bob

[Celtoid]

Or it could be said, which would be more accurate, that the All Blacks played brilliantly. Imagine how bad the score would be if the sooky refs stopped sending our players off every five minutes for minor infringements.

Stop knocking your team fellas just because they lost to the All Blacks (again ;)). The Wallabies are a very good team, top three in the world aren't they? The problem is they are just not the best team.

On the bright side you get to see them play the best team in the world every year in the Bledisloe Cup. ...:angel::p;)

And trust me for us Kiwis we wouldn't have it any other way, we enjoy watching the Wallabies play our boys.

As Bob said, we haven't given up on them, far from it. The facts are however that they played exceptionally badly.

The AB were, always are punishing when a team plays badly.

However ... When, in the second half, those golden 10 or 15 mins when Australia got it together, the ABs looked far from flash.

I think the Ref set the tone right from the start and the ABs largely got with the program. It had even been covered in the press that the Refs are sick of the ABs tactics ... So it ain't just the whinging Wallabies fans. However, AB infringements are directly proportional to the pressure they are under ... And the weren't under much of that most of the game.

My two bobs worth.

[TerryO]

Fair enough, rub it in. But that was the loss the Wallabies needed. Hooper is a good player, but they need Pocock as captain, to steady the ship. I haven't given up on them, I wouldn't get too cocky. Just makes it sweeter when we beat you. Bob

Come on Bob the Wallabies have never been the same since Edward 'Weary' Dunlop stopped playing for them. ... ;)

[olbod]

yeh but our bulls have got bigger balls than their bulls.

[Celtoid]

Come on Bob the Wallabies have never been the same since Edward 'Weary' Dunlop stopped playing for them. ... ;)




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[disco man]

And for you poor kiwis who have nothing but Rugby, I give you this, Bob

next year , see you then

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Nothing but rugby Bob,that is a very insulting statement.We are a small nation that does not enjoy the population to draw talent from,so anytime we beat larger nations i think it's awesome.

In cricket we more than hold our own,Netball very good also,rugby league also very good,Sailing world beaters,

Saying rugby is all we have is a load of ****,is it to hard to say "well done to the All Blacks"?

[TerryO]

yeh but our bulls have got bigger balls than their bulls.


Sounds like lots of old bull to me! ... :p

[windsock]

yeh but our bulls have got bigger balls than their bulls.


Sounds like someone has been distracted and should keep it to themselves.

[bob10]

Sorry you missed us Bob, really, we should have been there for you mate. Wasn't much to say about a draw under the circumstances but then, well, as you said, try again next year... :)


It will be an interesting exercise to see how you go when the AB's get beat. Bob

[TerryO]

Well fellas just remember one thing, all of this banter is just meant to be a bit of fun, especially when its at Bob's expense. .... ;)

As long as the bloody South Africans or worse still the Poms don't win who cares. ... :angel:

[bob10]

Well fellas just remember one thing, all of this banter is just meant to be a bit of fun, especially when its at Bob's expense. .... ;)

As long as the bloody South Africans or worse still the Poms don't win who cares. ... :angel:


I have a sense of humour, and can take anything you want to throw my way. I doubt you can . Why do you look for support, with the "fellas"? You should look for support on a firm foundation, not shakey ground. Then again, I suppose, birds of a feather..... Bob

[bob10]

Nothing but rugby Bob,that is a very insulting statement.We are a small nation that does not enjoy the population to draw talent from,so anytime we beat larger nations i think it's awesome.

In cricket we more than hold our own,Netball very good also,rugby league also very good,Sailing world beaters,

Saying rugby is all we have is a load of ****,is it to hard to say "well done to the All Blacks"?


I'm quite prepared to give credit to any team that wins, but not after the personal attacks given to me, by little people, with no humour, who probably don't know any better. I only give what I get. If you & your mates don't like that, don't give it. Simple. Bob

[disco man]

I'm quite prepared to give credit to any team that wins, but not after the personal attacks given to me, by little people, with no humour, who probably don't know any better. I only give what I get. If you & your mates don't like that, don't give it. Simple. Bob

Point taken Bob,but i don't think that i had attacked you on a personal level and if i did it was not intentional.I guess pride clouds judgement sometimes.It might sound strange but i do agree with a lot of what you say in your posts,the Wallabies are building to some big things in the future.

But why did they not build on last week's performance? And the times in the last two games when the All Blacks had players(Ritchie) in the sin-bin why did the Wallabies not make a impact?

[windsock]

It will be an interesting exercise to see how you go when the AB's get beat. Bob


Bob, I have been around long enough to have seen a few cycles of boom and bust in rugby. Long enough to have seen the great players that were around when I was kid listening to their games on the radio (no tv in those days and when there was the news reels were shipped back to NZ)from their overseas tours start to die of old age. Long enough to know that they are just that, cycles of glory and gloom from one good coach to the next mediocre one, one great number 10 to the next wannabe.


It is just a game I happen to enjoy watching and your significance in that enjoyment is a very minor part Bob, sorry, just saying it how it is. Your desire of being able to back a winning team is truly understandable. You are an Aussie bloke. The psychological clockwork in your head is not too far removed from a kiwi bloke. We hate getting beaten by the other side, just like you guys. When we beat other teams so consistently, we enjoy it, other teams not so much so. When your team can beat our team as consistently, then it'll be time for us to eat crow. Until that time, enjoy your crow and see it for what it is. When you understand that, and really see it for what it is; a game; a cyclical game, it really doesn't matter a damn.


As for your comments about NZ life outside of rugby you put out there. Tomorrow, I will get up and go to work as I normally do. I will drive there and back home in my 1984 110 HCPU and on my way past I will look at the river to see if it is fishable like I normally do. If it is good on the way home, I will go fly fishing, if it is not, I will maybe prepare a few flies in preparation for when it is ready. Maybe I will work well into the evening so I can take a day off to go fishing. Maybe I will look at my maps and think about my next camping/fishing trip. Life goes on quite well here in NZ beyond the computer (when I am not using it for work) and well and truly it goes on very well and very enjoyably beyond the TV and rugby. I would respectively suggest you look out your own window beyond the www news sites and beyond the CTRL+V activity and go get into it... instead of poking away on that keyboard about what you presume to be a paucity of life here in NZ.


Maybe see you next game Bob. Maybe not... :)

[windsock]

I have a sense of humour, and can take anything you want to throw my way. I doubt you can . Why do you look for support, with the "fellas"? You should look for support on a firm foundation, not shakey ground. Then again, I suppose, birds of a feather..... Bob



Good, I think we are understanding each other...

[bob10]

Bob, I have been around long enough to have seen a few cycles of boom and bust in rugby. Long enough to have seen the great players that were around when I was kid listening to their games on the radio (no tv in those days and when there was the news reels were shipped back to NZ)from their overseas tours start to die of old age. Long enough to know that they are just that, cycles of glory and gloom from one good coach to the next mediocre one, one great number 10 to the next wannabe.


It is just a game I happen to enjoy watching and your significance in that enjoyment is a very minor part Bob, sorry, just saying it how it is. Your desire of being able to back a winning team is truly understandable. You are an Aussie bloke. The psychological clockwork in your head is not too far removed from a kiwi bloke. We hate getting beaten by the other side, just like you guys. When we beat other teams so consistently, we enjoy it, other teams not so much so. When your team can beat our team as consistently, then it'll be time for us to eat crow. Until that time, enjoy your crow and see it for what it is. When you understand that, and really see it for what it is; a game; a cyclical game, it really doesn't matter a damn.


As for your comments about NZ life outside of rugby you put out there. Tomorrow, I will get up and go to work as I normally do. I will drive there and back home in my 1984 110 HCPU and on my way past I will look at the river to see if it is fishable like I normally do. If it is good on the way home, I will go fly fishing, if it is not, I will maybe prepare a few flies in preparation for when it is ready. Maybe I will work well into the evening so I can take a day off to go fishing. Maybe I will look at my maps and think about my next camping/fishing trip. Life goes on quite well here in NZ beyond the computer (when I am not using it for work) and well and truly it goes on very well and very enjoyably beyond the TV and rugby. I would respectively suggest you look out your own window beyond the www news sites and beyond the CTRL+V activity and go get into it... instead of poking away on that keyboard about what you presume to be a paucity of life here in NZ.


Maybe see you next game Bob. Maybe not... :)


You foolish person. Do you actually think I sit at the computer all day. Obviously you have never heard of lap tops, WIFI , etc. I fish probably more than you, on Moreton, Bribie, 1770, Stanage Bay, Karumba, not to mention Cabbage tree Ck, Pine River, and more. Chasing Taylor, Flathead, whiting , bream, Barramundi, mud crabs, sand crabs, and in the bay in my 4.2 metre sea jay, Mackeral. I drive more kilometres in a year in Qld, than you drive in your life in NZ. I have been all over this country, from west to east , north to south, in my life.[ not driving, most of it, I must admit sailing around all of it] All over the World, actually. I don't really care if I see you at the next game, I only like talking to people who actually know what they are talking about. All the best, Bob

[sheerluck]

Was it a liquid lunch you had today Bob? :angel:

[bob10]

Was it a liquid lunch you had today Bob? :angel:


No, just had a gut full of ignorant people, who have no basis for their attacks. One in particular. Who probably has set my mind against the rest. Not from NZ , I have to say, but , who lives here now. And, I have been around this World , in many places, all around this country, in more places than most. I will not put up with some half smart hero trying to put me down. Simple as that. Bob

[Alra]

The mighty All Blacks smashed Australia in all areas of the game tonight.It showed their is still a huge gap between the two sides.Last game in Sydney is the worst i have seen the All Blacks play for a few years.

The Wallabies tonight looked no different than Wallaby teams from the last decade.The ref did a very good job,he made it clear from the start what he wanted.Last week Australia showed some very good signs,but tonight their was no improvement on last week.

To all those people who bag Ritchie,calling him too old or a cheat or whatever,i think tonight he proved he is still the best number 7 in the world.For those that disagree tell me who is a better number 7 in world rugby?

Major improvement is needed by the Wallabies or the Springboks will put 30 points on them as well.

Michel Hooper, just a pity the rest of the team doesn't give him the go forward that the AB's give Cheater McCaw. Hooper is great at the break down without all the offending. The Wallabies were poo last night. They deserved to be flogged.

Cheers,

Dan.

[disco man]

Michel Hooper, just a pity the rest of the team doesn't give him the go forward that the AB's give Cheater McCaw. Hooper is great at the break down without all the offending. The Wallabies were poo last night. They deserved to be flogged.

Cheers,

Dan.

Good call he is a gutsy bloke who just kept trying to the very end,lots of heart.As Bob posted not to sure if he is the right man to be captain though when the pressure is on the Wallabies need a calming voice,a bit like Stirling Morrtlock used to provide.

[Alra]

Good call he is a gutsy bloke who just kept trying to the very end,lots of heart.As Bob posted not to sure if he is the right man to be captain though when the pressure is on the Wallabies need a calming voice,a bit like Stirling Morrtlock used to provide.

He is young with plenty to learn no doubt. However, he is wise beyond his years I think. The Wallabies rarely need a calming voice. They need to be able to pick when the AB's are having a spurt of intensity and fight it off. Also stop conceding points after just scoring some would be good as well.

Cheers,

Dan.

[bob10]

Point taken Bob,but i don't think that i had attacked you on a personal level and if i did it was not intentional.I guess pride clouds judgement sometimes.It might sound strange but i do agree with a lot of what you say in your posts,the Wallabies are building to some big things in the future.

But why did they not build on last week's performance? And the times in the last two games when the All Blacks had players(Ritchie) in the sin-bin why did the Wallabies not make a impact?


I'll give you this. As told to me by my mate, who has played for Qld, & is still involved in social media stuff, he says McKenzie selected a side in the test, to expose players such as Kepu, Palu , Beale, Horne, Ashley cooper. So when he makes changes , that he wants, the NSW push don't have the come back. Don't forget 2015 World cup is the game. Anything in between is practise. Bob

[disco man]

I'll give you this. As told to me by my mate, who has played for Qld, & is still involved in social media stuff, he says McKenzie selected a side in the test, to expose players such as Kepu, Palu , Beale, Horne, Ashley cooper. So when he makes changes , that he wants, the NSW push don't have the come back. Don't forget 2015 World cup is the game. Anything in between is practise. Bob

It's funny you say that to me listening to Matt Burke he wanted the entire Waratahs team on the field.

But do you think the Wallabies have the right mix at the minute? I do think the All Blacks should be looking at blooding a young fella at number 7,i can't see Ritchie making the next world cup.

[Hastykiwi]

It's funny you say that to me listening to Matt Burke he wanted the entire Waratahs team on the field.

But do you think the Wallabies have the right mix at the minute? I do think the All Blacks should be looking at blooding a young fella at number 7,i can't see Ritchie making the next world cup.

Really? The world cup in 12 months time? Do tell, why will Ritchie not make it?

As for Aus, I don't get the comments from 'the mate' in Qld. Is he suggesting Mckenzie has tanked two games against the AB's, dropped the Bled, to prove Beale and others shouldn't be there? Odd way of going about it. I personally think Beale was wrong, and McKenzie did us favour there, but I can't quite stretch it to believe he picked him for some backhanded reason.

[bob10]

[/B]

Really? The world cup in 12 months time? Do tell, why will Ritchie not make it?

As for Aus, I don't get the comments from 'the mate' in Qld. Is he suggesting Mckenzie has tanked two games against the AB's, dropped the Bled, to prove Beale and others shouldn't be there? Odd way of going about it. I personally think Beale was wrong, and McKenzie did us favour there, but I can't quite stretch it to believe he picked him for some backhanded reason.


G'day mate, Bob

[bob10]

It's funny you say that to me listening to Matt Burke he wanted the entire Waratahs team on the field.

But do you think the Wallabies have the right mix at the minute? I do think the All Blacks should be looking at blooding a young fella at number 7,i can't see Ritchie making the next world cup.


I don't think we will find the Wallabies right mix till next year, Bob

[Alra]

I'll give you this. As told to me by my mate, who has played for Qld, & is still involved in social media stuff, he says McKenzie selected a side in the test, to expose players such as Kepu, Palu , Beale, Horne, Ashley cooper. So when he makes changes , that he wants, the NSW push don't have the come back. Don't forget 2015 World cup is the game. Anything in between is practise. Bob

I find it hard to believe that an international rugby coach would be picking a team on the basis you describe. Especially considering the only person in the list you provided that shouldn't be in the team is Beale. Let Beale go to League. I'm born and bred in Queensland and a signed up member of the Reds. Queensland aren't going to have to many Wallaby reps until they get rid of Richard Graham.

Regards,

Dan.

[Hastykiwi]

I don't think we will find the Wallabies right mix till next year, Bob

I'm genuinely curious by what you mean here Bob.
What is the mix they are looking for? Is this only going to be found when Queesnland do well, or will it rely on an, as yet, unknown player being discovered. What happens if the Waratahs win the s15 again next year, and the rest of the aus teams don't do any better than this year. Who does McKenzie pick then?

[disco man]

[QUOTE=Hastykiwi;2211321][/B]

Really? The world cup in 12 months time? Do tell, why will Ritchie not make it?

Let me rephrase that,i think the All Blacks should be looking at his replacement sooner rather than later there is still a lot of rugby between now and the world cup.And it would be foolish to not have a player ready to take over if Ritchie gets hurt.

I am a staunch fan of Ritchie and respect what he has done for NZ rugby.But after this year i think it's time to let the next captain stand up and lead the Mighty All Blacks.

[Hastykiwi]

So you would drop McCaw after this year, regardless of his form, just.....because. Thats ridiculous.

[Hastykiwi]

I'm sorry, I only asked you a question I thought you could answer. And I am genuinely curious.

[disco man]

So you would drop McCaw after this year, regardless of his form, just.....because. Thats ridiculous.

When is the time to start looking at the future? Do we hang on to Rirchie and not move forward.Sean Fitzpatrick stood down when he was still in good form for the good of the team.And what else has Ritchie got to achieve,he has done it all.

Better to leave when your on top than playing on to long.

[Hastykiwi]

When is the time to start looking at the future? Do we hang on to Rirchie and not move forward.Sean Fitzpatrick stood down when he was still in good form for the good of the team.And what else has Ritchie got to achieve,he has done it all.

Better to leave when your on top than playing on to long.

We are moving forward. We have Cane and Todd bubbling along, so I'm not fussed if an unexpected injury arises.

Fitzpatrick did not leave on top. He left after playing on one knee test after test, and it was more than obvious he was not right and not contributing to his previous best.

Ritchie is currently contributing better than any other 7 in NZ, its not the way he used to play, but then he's changed and the game has changed as well. He is still in the first 2 usually, or three to the ruck, he invariably is at the top of the tackle count, and seems perfectly capable of going 80mins at full noise.

I'm sure given the caliber of the man he WILL stand down when he feels he cannot do the job. But that isn't now, and you're advocating dropping him anyway.

[windsock]

From another thread...


I'm quite prepared to give credit to any team that wins, but not after the personal attacks given to me, by little people, with no humour, who probably don't know any better. I only give what I get. If you & your mates don't like that, don't give it. Simple. Bob

From earlier this thread...


I have a sense of humour, and can take anything you want to throw my way. I doubt you can . Why do you look for support, with the "fellas"? You should look for support on a firm foundation, not shakey ground. Then again, I suppose, birds of a feather..... Bob

And back to the cot...


No, just had a gut full of ignorant people, who have no basis for their attacks. One in particular. Who probably has set my mind against the rest. Not from NZ , I have to say, but , who lives here now. And, I have been around this World , in many places, all around this country, in more places than most. I will not put up with some half smart hero trying to put me down. Simple as that. Bob


You foolish person. Do you actually think I sit at the computer all day. Obviously you have never heard of lap tops, WIFI , etc. I fish probably more than you, on Moreton, Bribie, 1770, Stanage Bay, Karumba, not to mention Cabbage tree Ck, Pine River, and more. Chasing Taylor, Flathead, whiting , bream, Barramundi, mud crabs, sand crabs, and in the bay in my 4.2 metre sea jay, Mackeral. I drive more kilometres in a year in Qld, than you drive in your life in NZ. I have been all over this country, from west to east , north to south, in my life.[ not driving, most of it, I must admit sailing around all of it] All over the World, actually. I don't really care if I see you at the next game, I only like talking to people who actually know what they are talking about. All the best, Bob

You are awesome Bob, just awesome man. :D

[incisor]

You are awesome Bob, just awesome man. :D

and you need to stop playing the man ....

;)

[Redback]

After the thumping in game 2, I just hope game 3 will see the Wallabies get their act together and show some heart for a better showing.

Baz.

[disco man]

After the thumping in game 2, I just hope game 3 will see the Wallabies get their act together and show some heart for a better showing.

Baz.

Mate i think they will,the last game is after a few tests against the Springboks and the Pumas so they will much more battle ready.But the same goes for the All Blacks,so it should be a cracker.

[Hastykiwi]

and you need to stop playing the man ....

;)

Looks to me like he's just reposted Bob, which could be considered flattery, because when you think about it, its is a very Bob sort of thing to do.

[windsock]

and you need to stop playing the man ....

;)


Looks to me like he's just reposted Bob, which could be considered flattery, because when you think about it, its is a very Bob sort of thing to do.


Nah, fair cop Inc, getting back on topic. He simply got caught on the wrong side of the ruck and wouldn't roll away. Not my fault if a stray rake caught him nut-side. :angel:

Back to rugby...

[windsock]

So, a question for all those that seem to know cheating when it pops out of the ruck. What do you make of the penalty try?


Why do you think Australia never put an extra man in the scrum when simmons was yellowed off?


:p

[Hastykiwi]

So, a question for all those that seem to know cheating when it pops out of the ruck. What do you make of the penalty try?


Why do you think Australia never put an extra man in the scrum when simmons was yellowed off?


:p

They did sort of. They pulled a loose forward into lock. But, the locks provide most of the forward grunt in scrums, the front row do contribute, but as much of their energy is used to stabilise and direct the movement. If you look at the great scrums over the years, there will be a very strong tight head lock involved. Anyway, dropping a lock is the single biggest difference you could do to depower a scrum, and putting a loosey in there is not going to fix it. I'm not surprised aus went backwards as fast as they did, and the difference it made when he came back on.

As for the pen try, if it wasn't collapsing, then the half back coming right around the back of the scrum would have done it.

[windsock]

They did sort of. They pulled a loose forward into lock. But, the locks provide most of the forward grunt in scrums, the front row do contribute, but as much of their energy is used to stabilise and direct the movement. If you look at the great scrums over the years, there will be a very strong tight head lock involved. Anyway, dropping a lock is the single biggest difference you could do to depower a scrum, and putting a loosey in there is not going to fix it. I'm not surprised aus went backwards as fast as they did, and the difference it made when he came back on.

As for the pen try, if it wasn't collapsing, then the half back coming right around the back of the scrum would have done it.



hmm, I'll have to go back in the video and look again. Didn't actually notice the addition, was fixated on the lack of traction the aussies were getting. Yep, I think it was the half back way out of place that did it.

[windsock]

Had another look at the scrum on the TV hard-drive, it was the collapse that did it. The big fellas in black were stoked walking away from it too.

[Celtoid]

Had another look at the scrum on the TV hard-drive, it was the collapse that did it. The big fellas in black were stoked walking away from it too.


Yup, the Aussie scrum was doomed ... whatever the tactical reasons were. It was pretty obvious.



The big fellas in black didn't look so stoked when the numbers were back on, scrum and field play was contested and won ... and tries scored. Charity you recon? ;)


Shame it was only for ten minutes or so ...LOL!!!

[Hastykiwi]

Yup, the Aussie scrum was doomed ... whatever the tactical reasons were. It was pretty obvious.



The big fellas in black didn't look so stoked when the numbers were back on, scrum and field play was contested and won ... and tries scored. Charity you recon? ;)


Shame it was only for ten minutes or so ...LOL!!!

Aus could have put the loosie in at lock, added two backs to the sides of the scrum, (i.e. had nine in the scrum), and it still wouldn't have made any difference, thats how important your specialist lock is at scrum time.

Having said that, the scrums through the two games have been pretty even, and if one has gained dominance, it has been pretty soon reversed, but, as we saw on Saturday, scrums are only happen 5-10 times a match. There can be 100 odd breakdowns (rucks) in a game. Which would you want to dominate?

[windsock]

Yup, the Aussie scrum was doomed ... whatever the tactical reasons were. It was pretty obvious.



The big fellas in black didn't look so stoked when the numbers were back on, scrum and field play was contested and won ... and tries scored. Charity you recon? ;)


Shame it was only for ten minutes or so ...LOL!!!


Nah, no charity, that Folau try was well worked, and the piece of individual brilliance from the Wallaby captain showed up some poor defense. Certainly softened the scoreline difference a tad... :)

[Celtoid]

Aus could have put the loosie in at lock, added two backs to the sides of the scrum, (i.e. had nine in the scrum), and it still wouldn't have made any difference, thats how important your specialist lock is at scrum time.

Having said that, the scrums through the two games have been pretty even, and if one has gained dominance, it has been pretty soon reversed, but, as we saw on Saturday, scrums are only happen 5-10 times a match. There can be 100 odd breakdowns (rucks) in a game. Which would you want to dominate?


Rock and a hard place I suppose mate in some cases. I take your point.


But I'm sure we've both watched games where a team just could not contest a scrum .... and then through tactical play .... many more scrums happen. It's sickening to watch, cause you know the team will either be pushed over or collapse the scrum.


Fortunately for the Wallabies that weakness was only temporary.

[Hastykiwi]

Rock and a hard place I suppose mate in some cases. I take your point.


But I'm sure we've both watched games where a team just could not contest a scrum .... and then through tactical play .... many more scrums happen. It's sickening to watch, cause you know the team will either be pushed over or collapse the scrum.


Fortunately for the Wallabies that weakness was only temporary.

Absolutely. But think about this. When Aus have beaten the AB's, what do you remember. Personally from the losing side, I don't remember what happened in the scrums, BUT, I can be certain that in any of those instances, Aus will have owned us at the breakdown.

[Alra]

Hi all,

Just sitting here watching the NRC game, Canberra v Greater Sydney. It is like watching school boys after watching the ITM Cup game that was televised before it. Yes, I know it is early days and this added tier will definitely be a benefit in the long run. I just hope it doesn't take to long.

On another note, does anyone know where NRC merchandise (particularly Qld Country) can be found. Can't find anywhere that sells anything. Saw some Rams supporters with some gear. Someone be selling merchandise?

Cheers,

Dan.

P.S. When is rugby getting its own forum on AULRO?