Puma 110 Child Restraint Seat Back Clips

[tcf]

Hi

Being new to the forum, please bare with me. I am on the lookout for a Puma 110. A main consideration is to have, or to add child restraint anchors. I know there are threads on child restraints - I've read them - but they all seem to relate to CRAB bars. For me, these don't seem practical given I intend to utilise the full wagon space regularly and the bar seems obtrusive for these purposes.

I came across these child restraint seat back clips when browsing car sales (pics from car sales ad). Short of asking the guy selling the vehicle (which I won't be doing out of courtesy), can anyone point me in the direction of such a product?

Thanks

Tim

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[Steve223]

There is are two engineering place in Sydney who do this one wanted to charge me 2.5k and the other was Comptune which charged 1k. That was for a 2005 110 though. I did not go ahead though as I did not end up needing them

[muddy]

Tim

I have a crab bar in mine for safety of grand kids approx $500 and when I want to use the whole back only a few bolts to undoo

[tcf]

Thanks, Steve. Will check out CompTune and see what the go is. I should have mentioned I'm in the Melbourne area. I wonder if CompTune liaise with any Melbourne companies.

Thanks also, Muddy. If the seat back clips are all too hard then the CRAB bar option might be it. Any further details on who, where, how much?

Cheers

[Samblers]

Where are you located?

Different states have different legislation.

Welcome to Australia - why have one rule when seven will do?

[muddy]

Tim

My crab bar was done on the gold coast (southport) wont be able to get more details untill friday night . Done 15 mts ago let me know if you want more details

[tcf]

Am in melbourne area.

Will do some research/calling and update thread.

Cheers.

[frantic]

I have a crab bar, cost 390 about 4 years ago and is good, but the comptune ones look better and at 600 extra IMHO would be worth it as it's a pain to undo the bolts to pack long items. I saw the comptune fitted to a defender when I picked up an ex box from mulgo, they look factory.

[Samblers]

I have the crab bar. I'd prefer not to have it in the way of the rear load area (and in the way of third row passengers) but was the path of least resistance when i researched and cost me $600 which i thought was fair.

[Samblers]

Thats $600 fitted AND CERTIFIED.

It must be certified for insurance.

[frantic]

Thats $600 fitted AND CERTIFIED.

It must be certified for insurance.

Again 1 country 7 different laws, a crab bar in Nsw only needs to be fitted by an approved person, so 390, in Nsw the bolts in the seat back have to be engineered so 1k as they have an eng who knows what their doing. Every other state is different. In the car child seat bolt thread there are 110's with the bolt points on the cargo barrier that got a mod plate in Qld , but that's a different state.:D
As has been said check vic current laws and find a fitter with some idea or past experience with defenders.

[Babs]

Comptune Narrellan in Sydney, behind the Land Rover dealership.

They provide an engineers certificate supply/install the points in the back of the seat all for $900

Don't put a crab bar in!

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[Samblers]

Comptune Narrellan in Sydney, behind the Land Rover dealership.

They provide an engineers certificate supply/install the points in the back of the seat all for $900

Don't put a crab bar in!

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I agree this is the best solution, if it is available to you

[FeatherWeightDriver]

I agree this is the best solution, if it is available to you

Agreed, however be aware not all places are willing / able to provide a certified seat back install.

[Boof Ed]

An alternative is to build a bar overhead that bolts to the roof rails (internal part of gutter). Bent up to follow roof shape. My cousin has this. We built it and got it certified (qld). Adds a good amount of strength to the roof. Not my ideal method but suits him.

I could get a picture if your interested.

[tcf]

In the interest of thread closure, I contacted, and heard back from CompTune Engineering in Sydney. Their seat back CRA points cost just under a grand. And can only be installed and certified in house. I find the price reasonable but am likely unable to commit to travelling from Melbourne to have them installed.

Hopefully this thread may help others in the Sydney area who are looking for CRA's.

Cheers

[jimr1]

I will ask , and hopefully some one will answer . Why can't the child restraint be fitted to the seat belt fixing point on the floor , I don't have any young children so this is something I have never had to address , My point is if there rated of an adult , then surly they would also be for a child !!..

[Boof Ed]

There are specific angles and ranges of where the clip is allowed. On the floor is not in this range. It allows for damage to main seat. If your top strap connects to the lower point and the main seat goes you have zero triangulation. Would not like to be in that big a crash but hey...

[TroyFenda]

I've spent a fair amount of time researching this subject and came up with some surprising results.

According to one source in Sydney, the anchor on the rear of the seat is not a legal nor appropriate mod for the use of anchoring a child seat. The only two approved methods are the crab bar and the more dreaded floor mounted post which takes up even more room. I was told that the commercial nature of the Defender means that the rear seats are not load rated for a child seat with the expected vertical/downwards loads experienced in a collision.

Price-wise, I was quoted a plethora of different figures that ranged from $750 to over $2500 for a crab bar fitment. Whatever you elect to do, make sure you shop around as you will save yourself some money in the end.

[frantic]

I've spent a fair amount of time researching this subject and came up with some surprising results.

According to one source in Sydney, the anchor on the rear of the seat is not a legal nor appropriate mod for the use of anchoring a child seat. The only two approved methods are the crab bar and the more dreaded floor mounted post which takes up even more room. I was told that the commercial nature of the Defender means that the rear seats are not load rated for a child seat with the expected vertical/downwards loads experienced in a collision.

Price-wise, I was quoted a plethora of different figures that ranged from $750 to over $2500 for a crab bar fitment. Whatever you elect to do, make sure you shop around as you will save yourself some money in the end.
I'd say the "source " saying that is pulling the wool;). I personally have the crab bar and it was under $400 three years ago approved fitting in a 02 def110 wagon. There was another "supplier" who wanted to fit the floor anchor posts at more Han twice that and told me a similar line to yours. I've seem the seat back mount done in the puma by comptune and it looked factory, like my old 2 playdough fridges, 98 and 04 . I've looked at getting a puma and from what I can find out the seat back is the best option as the crab bar needs an a frame to take it to the correct height and the floor post eats your load area.

[Tombie]

In the interest of thread closure, I contacted, and heard back from CompTune Engineering in Sydney. Their seat back CRA points cost just under a grand. And can only be installed and certified in house. I find the price reasonable but am likely unable to commit to travelling from Melbourne to have them installed.

Hopefully this thread may help others in the Sydney area who are looking for CRA's.

Cheers


Road trip :) it's not that far :)

And if not, ship your seats up :)

[tcf]

Road trip :) it's not that far :)

And if not, ship your seats up :)


Never though of sending just the seats. No such a silly idea. Thanks mate.