Can someone please explain how club plates, rego and usage works?

[AIF]

Can someone please explain how club plates, rego and usage works?

[DeeJay]

For Victoria, and to save myself a lot of typing :D


The Victorian club permit scheme allows members of car clubs (including motorcycle, trailer/caravan and machinery clubs) that are recognised by VicRoads to make limited use of historic vehicles on the road network.
A club permit can be issued to the following vehicles in the following categories:


Veteran vehicles – manufactured before 1 January 1919;
Vintage vehicles – manufactured after 31 December 1918 and before 1 January 1931
Classic and Historic vehicles - manufactured after 31 December 1930, but more than 25 years before the date of the application for a club permit.

These categories can include trailers and modified vehicles such as street rods. Vehicles which are replicas of vehicles in the above-mentioned categories may also be issued with a club permit.
Club permits are issued for 12 month periods and vehicles are issued with specific club permit plate(s).


Conditions of use
VicRoads may suspend or cancel a permit if the permit holder fails to comply with the permit conditions or engages in conduct which threatens public safety or undermines the integrity of the permit scheme.


Club Permit vehicles can be used at any time for any purpose other than for the carriage of goods or passengers for hire or reward. Permit holders are not restricted to club sanctioned activities when using their vehicles.
The vehicle that is being driven on a valid Club Permit must be maintained in a manner which ensures that the vehicle is in a 'safe condition' for use on a highway.
A logbook must be carried in the vehicle, or on the rider (in the case of motorcycles), at all times the vehicle is in use. On each day of use, a logbook entry must be made prior to the vehicle being used (unless the vehicle is within 100 metres of the garaged address).
Ensure that the Club Permit number plate(s) and windscreen label as issued by VicRoads are correctly displayed on the vehicle at all times.




Applying for a club permit
To apply for a Club permit you will need to complete a Club Permit Application form (http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/Registration/FeesFormsAndFAQs/Forms/default.htm) together with:





written verification by the club secretary (or person authorised by VicRoads) that the applicant for the club permit is a member of the car club
in the case of a club historic vehicle that is not a street rod, a current certificate of roadworthiness or a letter from a scrutineer authorised by the club, stating that the vehicle is safe for use on the road
in the case an application made in respect of a street rod, that is a vehicle modified in excess of the level prescribed in the Vehicle Standards Information No.8. (VSI8) document [PDF, 279 KB, 8pp.] (http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rdonlyres/9B3A858D-15A0-4572-90BF-3D08214BF7BE/0/VSInumber8Guidetomodificationsformotorvehicles.pdf ), a Street Rod Inspection certificate issued by any VASS Signatory (http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/SafetyAndRules/SaferVehicles/LicensedVehicleTesters/VehicleAssessmentSignatoryScheme.htm) authorised to undertake street rod inspections
Club Permit fee - refer to Permits (Club, Rally and Unregistered Vehicle Permits) (http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/Registration/FeesFormsAndFAQs/Fees/PermitFees.htm)
If the vehicle is recorded as a ‘Repairable’ Write Off, a Vehicle Identification Validation (VIV) Certificate (http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/Registration/WhatHasToBeRegistered/Written-off+Vehicles/TheVehicleIdentityValidationVIVinspection.htm)is required to be issued prior to a Club Permit application being processed.

Once you application has been accepted from VicRoads you will be issued with a:


Club permit certificate to be affixed to the inside cover of the logbook
Windscreen label to assist in identifying vehicles operating with a current permit;
Logbook to record the use of the vehicle over the permit period.
Number Plates (only single number plates are issued to veteran and vintage vehicles, trailers and motorcycles) with the allocated Club Permit number which are only manufactured in a maroon coloured background with white characters.




Renewing and extending a Club Permit
Once you have received the renewal for your Club Permit in the mail, you must:


Provide your Club/Association with the Club Permit Renewal for your vehicle, the Club Secretary (or other authorised official) must sign the renewal to declare that you are a current member of that particular Club/Association.
Attend any VicRoads Customer Service Centre to pay the renewal, or
Mail renewal to VicRoads with a cheque, money order or credit card details

For Club Permit holders who obtain a 45 day permit but later on decide that it is not enough, another 45 day permit may be purchased later on.

This may be done by calling VicRoads on 13 11 71 or attending a VicRoads Customer Service Centre requesting a second 45 day renewal. The Club Secretary (or other authorised official) must also sign this renewal to declare that you are still a current member of that particular clubor association.

Payment can then be made in either of the ways mentioned above.

The Club Permit certificate is to be attached to the nominated page in the Club Permit logbook but only after payment has been processed and the certificate stamped by VicRoads

Club Permit holders will not be able to obtain a permit to drive their vehicle for more than 90 days in each 12 month registration period.




Cancelling a Club Permit
To cancel a Club Permit the permit holder must contact VicRoads with relevant evidence of identity




Refunds are not available for Club Permits once the period for which the permit obtained has commenced.

Number Plates
Club Permit plates have white characters on a maroon background.

When submitting your Club Permit application at any VicRoads Customer Service Centre, in most cases you will receive your number plates on the spot. If you submit your application by mailing it into VicRoads, you will have to wait for the delivery of your number plates.

Custom plates cannot be issued to a vehicle on the Club Permit Scheme.

Find your closest VicRoads Customer Service Centre

(http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/HaveYourSay/ContactUs/FindAVicRoadsOffice.htm)Note: Customer Service Centre's do not always carry Veteran plates and do not carry Street Rod plates.

[THE BOOGER]

What is it you want to know I have two veh on club reg. Its no good if you want a daily driver but if you only want to use the truck for club outings or other clubs drives then an its a good way to go:) heaps cheaper than normal rego.

Here are the NSW regs for historic/club rego
http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vehiclesheet/historic_vehicle_clubs_policy.pdf

[Phil B]

Main difference between Victoria and NSW is that in NSW the club rego can only be used for official club sanctioned events and outings, for prebooked maintainence or rego inspections.
In other words you can't just jump into your S1 with club plates and drive down to the local shop to get bread and milk on a Sunday morning.
To do that you have to have full rego, green slip and insurance. Very expensive bread and milk!
Phil.

[Bigbjorn]

The Queensland scheme is similar to that operating in NSW. It is called SIVS or "Special Interest Vehicle Scheme". Full details are available on the Transport and Main Roads web site.

Without going into the fine print, it works this way.

You must be a financial member of a recognised club.

Vehicle must be thirty years or older. Age confirmed by your club's Dating Officer.

Use is restricted to travelling to and from and participating in events authorised by your club committee.

Other permitted uses are for road testing after repairs or maintenance restricted to within 15 kilometres of the address of record.

Travel to and from a place of repair. Note that backyard amateur repairers are not recognised.

The vehicle must not be used for carriage of freight or passengers for hire or reward.

May be used for events such as a marriage of a close family member. See web site for definition of family member.

Driving down to Supercheap to buy parts for use in repairing/maintaining the vehicle is classed as private (unauthorised) use so don't do it.

If found using the vehicle outside the permitted uses then the vehicle is regarded as being used unregistered. You get a fine and points and the vehicle must be removed by towing.

An authorised event does not have to be one run by your club. You can get any event authorised by your club this way. Write to your club committee and ask that such and such event be authorised for attendance by your club members. The letter should then appear in the meeting minutes and the approval also. The approval should be published in the club's newsletter. Carry a copy of each with you on the day. The world is full of pedantic transport officials and suspicious coppers who love to pull over SI vehicles to check their bona fides. Remember unauthorised use is unregistered use.

Please don't abuse the scheme. It may not suit all enthusiasts but is better than no scheme. Look at it from the bureaucrat's point of view. It serves no useful purpose, is something extra to administer, serves a special interest of a very few voters, and costs the govt. revenue.

[UncleHo]

G'day AIF :)

The Qld Scheme is pretty much as Brian Hjelm has described it,you need to belong to a RECOGNISED Car Club,and yes, you can "Road Test' for a radius of 15 Klms,and or take the vehicle to a brand specialist repair facility,if you are a club member you can request a special run be noted,I belong to a Military Vehicle Club,and it has a special "Run Book"with which the vehicle registrar records the trip,(from-to-return) and estimated durance,the club also has several regular events which take place over several days Corowa,Bundaburg Swim-In,and Airshows.

cheers

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Also getting back to the NSW HCRS applicable to someone in the Central West of NSW.

The RMS specify basic guidelines and parameters for the HCRS, however it is up to individual clubs to establish rules and to police the use of HCRS vehicles in their club. A modified vehicle may be unacceptable to one club and approved by another. e.g. the Historic Racing Car Club authorises significantly modified vehicles for HCRS, so long as they actually raced in that configuration when fully registered.

In some clubs, your HCRS vehicle can't touch the bitumen of the street without first seeking permission from the club registrar first even if it is a club event. In other clubs, you don't need to notify the registrar if going to an event that is listed in the published club calendar.

In some clubs, if you are going to a club event, like a weekend 4WD trip, there is no reason that you cant do the shopping for that event in your HCRS vehicle.

There is no limit to the number of days your HCRS vehicle can be on the road in any calendar year, provided it is (club approved) for club (or community) events and maintenance related activities. Your vehicle can't be used on HCRS in WA and can not be used continuously outside NSW for more than 3 months. So you could do the Simpson Desert or Cape York trips so long as you are back in less than 93 days.

The Council of Motoring Clubs NSW, regularly receive reports of HCRS vehicles spotted on the road allegedly in breach of the rules. These are investegated by the CMC or by the RMS directly. A club can get a please explain and may lose their authorisation if the breaches are significant enough.

[DoubleChevron]

It's almost worth shifting to victoria to access our scheme. I have 5 vehicles on a club permits at the moment (hey it's $69 bucks a year) and one fully registered boring piece of modern junk... I generally drive a club permit car anytime I have a chance. There way more fun than modern crap. Strangely I rarely use more the 45days a year on each of them. Even driving a permit car every chance you get, you'll be surprised how little you actually use them when you have a fully registered modern car to do all the "family run" work.

seeya,
Shane L.

[Judo]

This is a very good idea for me when I get the County going! We have 1 car at the moment (Disco) and I doubt we drive it 90 days in a year. With the County being a second vehicle, there's no way we'd go over that...

So, which club should I join?

Also, does VicRoads call any modified vehicle a "street rod"? I.E. Is my County a street rod? (yes, it's modified beyond VSI8).

[Lotz-A-Landies]

It's almost worth shifting to victoria to access our scheme. I have 5 vehicles on a club permits at the moment (hey it's $69 bucks a year) and one fully registered boring piece of modern junk... I generally drive a club permit car anytime I have a chance. There way more fun than modern crap. Strangely I rarely use more the 45days a year on each of them. Even driving a permit car every chance you get, you'll be surprised how little you actually use them when you have a fully registered modern car to do all the "family run" work.

seeya,
Shane L.Not on your life.

But I guess it's personal preference, I prefer the NSW HCRS, you prefer the VicRoads 45/90 day system.

IMHO There are already too many non enthusiasts looking for cheap rego on cars that shouldn't be on the road at all.

[mattmac]

Is the LROCV the only option to organise a club permit for a perentie in victoria?

[Mick_Marsh]

Is the LROCV the only option to organise a club permit for a perentie in victoria?
LROCV no longer approve club permits. It's on their website.
Their current attitude to military Landrovers is quite hostile judging by the threads on their forum.
There are many other clubs around who would be happy to put your military Landrover on club plates. VMVC immediately comes to mind.

[mattmac]

I did just notice that on their website that's why i was asking if there were alternative LR clubs that approve club permits.

[numpty]

From the 1st October, NSW RMS (Roads and Maritime Services) are introducing a log book trial for people with Historic registered vehicles. This will allow 60 days per year of club free driving.

Details are on the RMS website. It is an "opt in" scheme ie you are not automatically included in the scheme.

[rovernutter]

LROCV no longer approve club permits. It's on their website.
Their current attitude to military Landrovers is quite hostile judging by the threads on their forum.
There are many other clubs around who would be happy to put your military Landrover on club plates. VMVC immediately comes to mind.
I think that you will find that LROCV was only temporarily not processing CPS applications. It was while they were sorting out their rules for the CPS. My understanding is that they are processing vehicles again now.
The LROCV loves any Land Rover whether it be military or not. I am sure that what type of vehicle you have will not have any bearing on the club.

[Mick_Marsh]

I think that you will find that LROCV was only temporarily not processing CPS applications. It was while they were sorting out their rules for the CPS. My understanding is that they are processing vehicles again now.
The LROCV loves any Land Rover whether it be military or not. I am sure that what type of vehicle you have will not have any bearing on the club.
Interesting first post.
I was told I would have to get an expensive VASS engineering report as well as a roadworthy certificate to put a Perentie on a club permit with LROCV. It's not a requirement of Vicroads or any other club, just LROCV.

[123rover50]

Up here, one can also use PPQ plates (Personalised) for club or S.I. rego instead of the S.I. plates.
The general public then dont know if you are on S.I. rego or not. Esp now we dont have rego labels.
I dont have anything I would use much anyway as my 1950 (Jumbuck) is on full rego as an everyday drive.

Keith

[rovernutter]

Interesting first post.
I was told I would have to get an expensive VASS engineering report as well as a roadworthy certificate to put a Perentie on a club permit with LROCV. It's not a requirement of Vicroads or any other club, just LROCV.
I am not sure who told you that. What would you need a VASS for on a Perentie. I am pretty sure that no Perenties have gone on the CPS with the LROCV since the new rules have come in. If the vehicle is legal and can go on the CPS, the LROCV have no special rules stopping it.

I have to admit that I joined only after reading your comments about the LROCV. I thought that they were unfair and I wanted to correct any such rumours.

[Mick_Marsh]

I am not sure who told you that. What would you need a VASS for on a Perentie. I am pretty sure that no Perenties have gone on the CPS with the LROCV since the new rules have come in. If the vehicle is legal and can go on the CPS, the LROCV have no special rules stopping it.

I have to admit that I joined only after reading your comments about the LROCV. I thought that they were unfair and I wanted to correct any such rumours.
Fair point if you think they are unfair, but they are accurate.
Have you seen what is going on on your club forum? Would you care to comment how unfair and dispel rumours over there?

[Homestar]

Is the LROCV the only option to organise a club permit for a perentie in victoria?

As mentioned, no, there are others. There is a full list of apporved clubs on the Vic Roads website. Maybe look that up, then call a few of them and see what thier throughts are. Some are specialist clubs, but there are quite a few general car clubs that are happy to accept anyone who is enthusiastic about their old ride. :)

As Mick has pointed out - maybe shoot accross and have a look at the LROCV forum (or the VLRO as it's now called - I think they wanted the forum disassociated with the club) - there is some interesting goings on there and as mentioned.

Oh, and Mick is right - they are not approving anything for the CPS at the moment.

From the LROCV Website -
Club Permit Scheme

The Land Rover Owners Club of Victoria is suspending the processing of new Club Permit applications for a short time so that we can determine how we are going to approach the new requirements that Vic Roads have brought in on the 31st of January 2015.

Please contact clubpermit@lrocv.com.au (clubpermit@lrocv.com.au)This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. if you have any questions
Renewals will continue as normal

[gromit]

If you read the latest thread on the VLRO forum there may be issues with Perenties on both full rego & the CPS system without removing some items (toolholders, ariel mounts and protrusions on some bullbars).

A VLRO member seems to have gone on a one-man crusade regarding the Perenties and contacted licensing authorities, the company selling them the military etc. etc.

http://vlro.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=9432&sid=f4b0090c2047383fdeeb2e7c046d2bba&p=69644#p69644


Colin

[rovernutter]

Fair point if you think they are unfair, but they are accurate.
Have you seen what is going on on your club forum? Would you care to comment how unfair and dispel rumours over there?
Any views expressed on the club forum are not the views of the club.
Based on a club meeting tonight to discuss the new rules for the CPS, if the rules are adopted, I think you will find that they will be a relatively easy club to get a Land Rover on the CPS.

[rovernutter]

Oh, and Mick is right - they are not approving anything for the CPS at the moment.
It appears that they have not updated their website. Anyone that was at the last general meeting will confirm that they are processing vehicles on the CPS again. Anyone that gets the club magazine should see it in the minutes published in the next magazine.

[Mick_Marsh]

Any views expressed on the club forum are not the views of the club.
Based on a club meeting tonight to discuss the new rules for the CPS, if the rules are adopted, I think you will find that they will be a relatively easy club to get a Land Rover on the CPS.
Maybe the club should get on that club forum, in that thread, and advise the public that the club does not support the views of that member.
I know of several new Perentie owners (that is new owners, not new Perenties) who have joined other clubs because of those particular threads on that forum. I also know the club has lost members because of an individuals behavior on that club forum.
It's a very negative look for the club.
Perhaps you may wish to post these new rules the club has adopted in this thread, if only to dispel the rumours.

[rovernutter]

Maybe the club should get on that club forum, in that thread, and advise the public that the club does not support the views of that member.
I know of several new Perentie owners (that is new owners, not new Perenties) who have joined other clubs because of those particular threads on that forum. I also know the club has lost members because of an individuals behavior on that club forum.
It's a very negative look for the club.
Perhaps you may wish to post these new rules the club has adopted in this thread, if only to dispel the rumours.
I am not sure what views you are referring to. In the past you have been a regular poster on the forum. I am sure you can have your say if you have alternatives views.
The new rules have not been voted on by the members yet, so that are not club policy as yet. But I understand that a relatively soft approach has been taken on new vehicles going onto the CPS until any rules are approved by the members.
That is the problem with rumours, someone makes a statement that is not true and it suddenly becomes fact. That is why I have posted here. That is, to stated that the rumours are incorrect.