Has anyone swapped the indicator to the right?

[Jeff]

Has anyone swapped their Defender's indicator to the right hand side?

Jeff

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[p38arover]

I swapped my RR classic's two stalks over (left to right, right to left). Dead simple. The only "problem" was that the symbols were upside down.

[Tikka7mm08]

I'd love to do this...I could live with the symbols being upside down :)

[rick130]

I'm surprised this is an issue, I just use the wipers to indicate when jumping in Japanese utes. :D

[TeamFA]

It was a bother to me when our second car had right-side indicators, but the current second car has left-side ones as well, so no problem.

The current second car will be replaced by the S2a next, so we'll be able to put the indicators on the left as well.

[dullbird]

I prefer them in the left but I guess that's because I come from the UK and most are on the left being European cars

[Dougal]

I swapped my RR classic's two stalks over (left to right, right to left). Dead simple. The only "problem" was that the symbols were upside down.

Did you rewire the wiper stalk so it didn't work upside down?
I did so it worked like japanese cars. Then I bought other euro cars which have wiper stalks which work upside down.

I've since worked out that indicator stalk on the left works better for a manual in round-abouts. It means your right hand doesn't leave the wheel.

[p38arover]

Did you rewire the wiper stalk so it didn't work upside down?

No, I left it as it was.

[Bushie]

I don't find it an issue, I jump from a hilux to the Landy all the time, may very occasionally, hit the wipers instead of indicators.

Martyn

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I only found it an issue while I was at Uni and driving a cab for income. Spending 8 to 12 hours in an XF Falcon and then getting into my RRc was always a problem adjusting back.

I flipped the RRc over which made the wiper switch counter intuitive. Once I stopped driving a cab* I switched the RRc back.

Now I want to switch the SIII for blinkers on LH.


* never felt right about driving a cab as I knew where I was going! :D

[Jeff]

I've since worked out that indicator stalk on the left works better for a manual in round-abouts. It means your right hand doesn't leave the wheel.

I have found the opposite, with the 300 TDi, trying to keep the revs up means you can either change gear, or indicate. Wifey's Swift you can do both.

Jeff

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[Dougal]

I have found the opposite, with the 300 TDi, trying to keep the revs up means you can either change gear, or indicate. Wifey's Swift you can do both.

Jeff

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If you are indicating with one hand and changing gear with the other, then who is steering? :eek:

[clubagreenie]

It's only an issue if you're not driving a Land Rover and no one should be doing that.

[jimr1]

I thought It was only me , My daily drive vehicle for the last 25 years plus , has been a Land Rover , now my wife's cars have all had right hand indicators , now you would think I would know better , hers right , mine left simple ! No I still put her wipers on to go round corners when I drive her cars . Not all the time but I do do It , and It's usually when she's with me !!..

[p38arover]

Me, too!

[Tikka7mm08]

Same here and I get sht for it.

[EastFreo]

I too have suffered from the wiper/indicator problem when switching from my old prado to the wife's volvo.

Won't be an issue any more (once the Defender arrives) as the prado has been sold and all indicators will be safely on the same side.

Obviously I can use this as another reason why it was a good idea to switch from our paid off, reliable, comfortable prado!

[isuzurover]

I moved the stalk to the right on my IIA when I built it, but moved it back when I bought my 110.

[wrinklearthur]

I sold the Falcon and she drives the other Discovery.

Fixed!
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[Ancient Mariner]

Try the NQ way ,don`t use em or leave them on till the next turn :D

[JDNSW]

It's only an issue if you're not driving a Land Rover and no one should be doing that.

Wrong. My 110 is on the left, but my 2a is on the right. I could change the 2a easily to the left, but then the mechanism would be in front of the auxiliary gauges.

John

[rick130]

I'll be driving a ten year old Ford Courier on Saturday, I can guarantee at least two to three wiper switches approaching intersections in and around Tamworth. :D

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Wrong. My 110 is on the left, but my 2a is on the right. I could change the 2a easily to the left, but then the mechanism would be in front of the auxiliary gauges.

JohnMove the auxilliary guages to the right! ;)

[cooperrat]

i often wash the windows in anger when i am in the other car. switching the horn pusher would be helpful too.....

[Reads90]

I prefer them in the left but I guess that's because I come from the UK and most are on the left being European cars

Yeah agree but what I can't understand is that all Jap and Asian cars in Europe are on the left too. No new cars in the Uk have them on the right.

So what I have always wondered is do they make them on the right for Australia or Australia and Asia and on the left for Europe and the rest of the world.

[Jeff]

Yeah agree but what I can't understand is that all Jap and Asian cars in Europe are on the left too. No new cars in the Uk have them on the right.

So what I have always wondered is do they make them on the right for Australia or Australia and Asia and on the left for Europe and the rest of the world.

The UK probably got forced into it to be in the EU or it's previous incarnations. My 2As had them on the right and the Holdens I grew up driving had them on the right. Not sure what British cars before 1970 had as the only ones I have had are Land Rovers.

Jeff

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[Dougal]

Yeah agree but what I can't understand is that all Jap and Asian cars in Europe are on the left too. No new cars in the Uk have them on the right.

So what I have always wondered is do they make them on the right for Australia or Australia and Asia and on the left for Europe and the rest of the world.

I believe it's an ISO standard. Which the japanese mostly don't follow. The jap cars we get in NZ are almost all japanese built and are variations of their JDM cars.

But 100 series cruisers in NZ were indicators on the left.

[rangietragic]

On the 75 88"series 3 i had i moved them to the left like all the other land rovers i had:)

[dlatn]

I have retained the LHS indicator stalk and get around the problem by just turning left rather than right, and vis versa.
Takes a bit longer to get there but that's part of the joy of driving a landrover

[Lotz-A-Landies]

The UK probably got forced into it to be in the EU or it's previous incarnations. My 2As had them on the right and the Holdens I grew up driving had them on the right. Not sure what British cars before 1970 had as the only ones I have had are Land Rovers.

Jeff
:rocket:My 1980 RRc had indicators on the RHS my 1984 (MY85) RRc had indicators on the LHS.

I understand that in Europe and the US the indicator stalk was always on the LHS.

Whatever we think, it is very efficient for for the manufacturer as they only have to make a steering column for one type instead of having to have a duplicate parts manufacture and supply chain for essentially the one assembly.

In my '85 RRc its not an issue as it has a smaller aftermarket steering wheel and you can operate the stalk with your fingers without taking the rest of the hand off the wheel. It is an issue if you want to indicate while changing gears in a manual.

[Jeff]

Whatever we think, it is very efficient for for the manufacturer as they only have to make a steering column for one type instead of having to have a duplicate parts manufacture and supply chain for essentially the one assembly.

What annoys me about manufacturers is they use a different layout for each model. Land Rover are bad if you swap from Defender to Discovery if you want to use the wipers or high beam. The worst is T*y##ta, with so many models, each one has switches and levers in different spots. If you are jumping from car to car do they expect you to read the manual for just a twenty minute one off drive?

Jeff

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[Lotz-A-Landies]

What annoys me about manufacturers is they use a different layout for each model. Land Rover are bad if you swap from Defender to Discovery if you want to use the wipers or high beam. The worst is T*y##ta, with so many models, each one has switches and levers in different spots. If you are jumping from car to car do they expect you to read the manual for just a twenty minute one off drive?

Jeff

:rocket:Absolutely have to agree with you on this one, in fact why isn't there an ISO standard for steering column controls.

They don't move the pedals around for fashion, why should the other driver controls be any different.

[AndyG]

Amazed the ADR gods haven't sorted this.

[TonyC]

Absolutely have to agree with you on this one, in fact why isn't there an ISO standard for steering column controls.

They don't move the pedals around for fashion, why should the other driver controls be any different.

I know someone with a car that has the accelerator in the middle :eek:

He says you drive it muttering under your breath,
the brake is on the right, the brake is on the right, the brake is on the right, the brake is on the right

[JDNSW]

I learnt to drive on three cars - Throttle on the right (Swift), Throttle in the middle (Reo), No foot throttle, use the hand one, (Ford). I don't remember it as a problem, but then there was little traffic in the paddock.

John

[rick130]

I know someone with a car that has the accelerator in the middle :eek:

He says you drive it muttering under your breath,
the brake is on the right, the brake is on the right, the brake is on the right, the brake is on the right


I learnt to drive on three cars - Throttle on the right (Swift), Throttle in the middle (Reo), No foot throttle, use the hand one, (Ford). I don't remember it as a problem, but then there was little traffic in the paddock.

John

There was an F1 driver back in the fifties (it may have been earlier, can't recall who and when offhand) who had the mechanics move his brake and accelerator pedals around so his team mate couldn't commandeer his car during a race !

[wrinklearthur]

I remember the farm buying a tractor with a foot throttle as well as the hand throttle after years of having a hand throttle only.

Nobody used it much as it was poorly located and your foot would bounce on it causing the engine to jerk.
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[wrinklearthur]

Was it the A model Ford with three pedals on the floor that changed gears along with the handbrake selecting a gear as well?

I never will drive a A model, I would be frightened to take the end out of the shed.

[JDNSW]

Was it the A model Ford with three pedals on the floor that changed gears along with the handbrake selecting a gear as well?

I never will drive a A model, I would be frightened to take the end out of the shed.
No, you are thinking of the Model T. The Model A had a conventional three speed crash box with normal three pedals (accelerator on right I think).

Model T had three pedal - left was the high - neutral - low, centre reverse (needs the left pedal half way down in neutral), and right the transmission service brake. The hand brake when moved halfway back put the left hand pedal halfway down, i.e. neutral.

High gear was selected by a 23 plate oil bath clutch, low and reverse by contracting oil bath brakes engaging planetary gears, same for the service brake. The flywheel housing doubled as the sump, with the flywheel magneto doubling as a sort of oil pump that fed oil to front of the engine, to lubricate the timing gears and then run back along the crankcase pan filling the troughs for the big ends on the way.

Camshaft and generator (post 1917) were driven by spiral gears, with the ignition timer on the front of the camshaft.

John

[wrinklearthur]

Thanks John

With all that going on to change gear with the model T, it's no wonder that Henry didn't fit indicators as well. :p

[JDNSW]

Thanks John

With all that going on to change gear with the model T, it's no wonder that Henry didn't fit indicators as well. :p
On the contrary, one of the reasons for the early success in selling the Fords would have been that they were easy to drive compared to a conventional clutch and crash gearbox - remember most of the buyers had never driven any sort of a car before. And they were really very easy to drive. Start engine with the handbrake on, to start off, depress the LH pedal, releasing the handbrake as the engine loads up, also opening the throttle slightly, accelerate to about 10mph, and release the pedal. Low was only needed for slow manoeuvring and steep hills, thanks to the light weight and very flexible engine. No synchronising engine and road speeds to change gears as with a conventional box.

Planetary gearboxes were not uncommon in the Edwardian period, but most manufacturers had changed to conventional boxes by about 1914 due to the cost and complexity once you go to more than two speeds. Ford kept the two speeds.

However, as an example, Lanchester retained planetary gearboxes until the end of production in the fifties, later ones being fitted with a proprietary (Wilson, I think) preselector box, also used on numerous luxury and semi-luxury cars, although often as an alternative to a conventional box. I can't think of any other manufacturer who was so single minded, retaining the planetary box from about 1890 into the 1950s.

John

[Lotz-A-Landies]

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However, as an example, Lanchester retained planetary gearboxes until the end of production in the fifties, later ones being fitted with a proprietary (Wilson, I think) preselector box, also used on numerous luxury and semi-luxury cars, although often as an alternative to a conventional box. I can't think of any other manufacturer who was so single minded, retaining the planetary box from about 1890 into the 1950s.

JohnQuite true, many Daimler and Alvis vehicles of the 1940s, 1950s and into the 1960s used Wilson preselect boxes.

I'm thinking specifically the Daimler Ferret and the Alvis Saracen & Saladin! ;) :D
As did the Daimler buses.

[JDNSW]

Quite true, many Daimler and Alvis vehicles of the 1940s, 1950s and into the 1960s used Wilson preselect boxes.

I'm thinking specifically the Daimler Ferret and the Alvis Saracen & Saladin! ;) :D
As did the Daimler buses.

Yes, it was used on heavy vehicles by a variety of manufacturers apart from the ones you mention, including Leyland. But we were talking of cars, and it was used on Daimler cars, Armstrong Siddley, Lanchester, that come to mind immediately, and there were others.

John

[vnx205]

I don't know what you are all complaining about. :)

What is the worst that can happen? The wipers come on instead of the indicators. That is not exactly a big deal. :D

You should try a quick squirt in a confined area on an old British motorbike when you are accustomed to Japanese bikes.

I can tell you that pressing harder on the lever under your right foot on an old Matchless doesn't slow you down much. I believe that British manufacturers have now fallen into step with the rest of the world and put the gear change on the left.

If you can cope with that, then try an old Harley Davidson with no rear suspension. Instead of having a hand clutch lever like modern motorcycles and a foot operated gear lever, the clutch pedal is under your foot on the running board and gear changes are done by taking a hand off the handlebars to operate the hand gear lever. Thankfully when I was attempting to come to grips with all that it was on the wide open spaces of the clay pans just outside Narrabri.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Yes, it was used on heavy vehicles by a variety of manufacturers apart from the ones you mention, including Leyland. But we were talking of cars, and it was used on Daimler cars, Armstrong Siddley, Lanchester, that come to mind immediately, and there were others.

JohnI think Leyland used their own Leyland version of the Wilson box the pneumocyclic, which didn't have the change pedal.

(WWII Matilda tanks also used Wilson boxes with dual AEC or Leyland engines.)

[JDNSW]

I think Leyland used their own Leyland version of the Wilson box the pneumocyclic, which didn't have the change pedal.

(WWII Matilda tanks also used Wilson boxes with dual AEC or Leyland engines.)

I know I said Wilson, but I was thinking planetary type in general.

John

[isuzu110]

Has anyone swapped their Defender's indicator to the right hand side?

Jeff

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Yes

See my old post

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/projects-tutorials/49516-swapping-defender-indicator-stalk-side-side-la-jap-vehicles.html