HID High Beam Upgrade

[nat_89]

I know its probably been asked a few times before but wondering has anyone upgraded their high beam in a D4 to HID? If so what brand did you use where did you get it from and how did you mount the ballast and also what wattage did you use?

When i had a Prado 150 i put a 100w high beam kit in it and they were awesome but wasn't sure if the Discoverys electrics would throw a fit over that much being drawn or something

[101RRS]

Yes has been asked quite a few times - just put the kit in - ballast can be installed inside the light housing.

As it is not a shutter system it will take anything from 4 to 10 seconds to actually have Hi Beam light when you switch them on from cold.

I had them in my RRS and because of the delay getting hi beam light I took them out and went back to halogens.

The HID light was great - 5000k in hi9 beam and 4300k in low beam but If you need to see something in the distance in a hurry then they are no good. They light up straight away if already hot from previous use but if cold take too long to light up in my view.

Oh - 55w system - no faults.

Garry

[ytt105]

As per Garry's comments, except I've still got mine in.

When travelling home from night work I switch high beam on for a few seconds as I'm pulling out of my parking space and that seems to lower the 'heat up' time.

I'm interested in finding out if anyone has used the new LED headlight globes. They don't have a heat up time and are supposedly very bright.

Regards

[Graeme]

I have 4300K with re-aligned possum spotters. Do the latest D4s still have possum spotters?

[nat_89]

Ahh thanks for that well the HID kit i had in my prado was pretty damn quick to heat up only about 2 or 3 seconds. But yeah led sounds interesting but I dunno it's a bit of a weird light I dunno about it.

[ytt105]

That's why I suggest YOU try them and let us all know!

[nat_89]

That's why I suggest YOU try them and let us all know!

Hahaha surely someone has used them and knows about them I did a quick google and looks like they have a little cooling fan in them??

[101RRS]

Ahh thanks for that well the HID kit i had in my prado was pretty damn quick to heat up only about 2 or 3 seconds.

Was that a H4 or H7 globes size?

[nat_89]

Was that a H4 or H7 globes size?

Nah they have a H11 bulb.

[JonW]

Nah they have a H11 bulb.

High beam halogen in my 2010 D4 is an H7 55w.

[tiddy]

I have 4300K with re-aligned possum spotters. Do the latest D4s still have possum spotters?

Hi Graeme...my '14 has the xenon upgrade lights and I have noticed when there is fog or smoke, the hi beams seem to aimed a little high, but they still provide good penetration.

Can I ask then, why is it with the factory xenons, there is little or no delay with switching to hi beams?

[101RRS]

Can I ask then, why is it with the factory xenons, there is little or no delay with switching to hi beams?

Because Hi and Low beam uses the same HID globe with a shutter to provide the different light pattern. As the globe is already on when in low beam, it simply stays on for hi beam and it is the shutter that moves instantaneously. Also the Halogen filler beam that comes on when Hi beam is selected comes on instantaneously.

Garry

[tiddy]

Because Hi and Low beam uses the same HID globe with a shutter to provide the different light pattern. As the globe is already on when in low beam, it simply stays on for hi beam and it is the shutter that moves instantaneously. Also the Halogen filler beam that comes on when Hi beam is selected comes on instantaneously.

Garry

Is it not possible then to fit a Bi Xenon as an after market upgrade?

[101RRS]

The vehicles use a H7 globe that is only available as a single globe by itself. You can get H4 HIDS that either have a moving globe or a shutter (not sure) but of course H4s do not fit.

You can put a H7 HID in the projector and rely on the Halogen filler for Hi beam - or replace the Halogen with a HID but you have to accept the 5-10sec delay for them to light up.

Garry

[Graeme]

Hi Graeme...my '14 has the xenon upgrade lights and I have noticed when there is fog or smoke, the hi beams seem to aimed a little high, but they still provide good penetration.Is the penetration from the bi-xenon or from the fill-in lights? My bi-xenon high beam's half reasonable direct ahead illumination can be seen for a few seconds if the HIDs are cold before the HID fill-ins warm up enough to drown them out with their very much brigher but closer wide beam.

[jammers]

Anybody mind sharing some photos of their hid install? I struggle to see where the ballast can fit.

Any issues with reliability? - water ingress problems from vibration etc.

[101RRS]

The ballast can fit inside the light housing. I have had HIDS fitted for a few years to both hi and lo beam - both ballasts fitted inside the light housing.

I had no issues with interoperability with the car systems and my HIDs are cheap $60 ebay systems.

I reverted the hi beam HIDs back to Halogens a while back due to me being unhappy about the light up time when switching to hi beam with the globes cold.

Other wise no issues.

Garry

[Graeme]

There's no room inside the bi-xenons to mount ballasts so my full size ballasts are cable-tied to wiring or wiring brackets just above the headlights.

[jammers]

OK so I have the 2.7 D4 with halogen projectors. I assume the earlier post indicating an internal to the light housing solution is the same as mine.

[101RRS]

There's no room inside the bi-xenons to mount ballasts so my full size ballasts are cable-tied to wiring or wiring brackets just above the headlights.

I thought we were talking about converting halogen lights to HIDs. In which case you can fit two ballasts inside the light housing and held in place with stick on velcro.

Garry

[LandyAndy]

I wonder why the need to spend money upgrading headlights instead of driving lights.
I understand in Garrys case as there isnt a bullbar for a RRS.
I like my headlights(xenon upgrades),yet they do not provide much depth on high beam.
I cant buy a bullbar yet as they are not available for the MY14.I feel money better spent on good quality spotlights to see beyond the excellent factory high beam.
Coming from a country resident.My D2 setup,all hallogen 4x130 spoties and 100/130w headlights do out perform the D4,a set of decent spotties will kill the D2 setup;);););)
Hurry up ARB.
Andrew

[Redback]

My headlight are Bi-Xenon, HID low and Halogen high beam, I just stuck my HID spotties from the D2 on the D4.

Besides, HID highbeam sucks, you're better off going for a higher wattage halogen globe IMHO, easier and cheaper too;)

If the reflectors in the D3/D4 halogen lights are not the same as the HID reflectors, then HID highbeam globes in the halogen reflector is a waste of time, the beam refects too high.

Baz.

[101RRS]

If the reflectors in the D3/D4 halogen lights are not the same as the HID reflectors, then HID highbeam globes in the halogen reflector is a waste of time, the beam refects too high.

Baz.

HIDs in the halogen projector work just fine - same light pattern as the Halogens.

Garry

[LandyAndy]

My Highbeam on the D4 is EXCELLENT,it just lacks the depth only a good spotlight can give.
As I say,hurry up ARB getting some interest in my D2:):):):):)
Andrew

[Redback]

My Highbeam on the D4 is EXCELLENT,it just lacks the depth only a good spotlight can give.
As I say,hurry up ARB getting some interest in my D2:):):):):)
Andrew

Mine too, I use the spotties when I need extra distance, 80% of the time I just use highbeam.

Baz.

[LandyAndy]

Anybody know the colour/temp rating of the xenon hi beam???? Would be handy to know when buying spotties to match.
Andrew

[Graeme]

4300K

[BJM]

Double post

[BJM]

Besides, HID highbeam sucks, you're better off going for a higher wattage halogen globe IMHO, easier and cheaper too;)

Baz.

It seems they have changed the headlights for the MY14 Disco. I have a T20 Wedge for DRL and HIR2 for low and high beam.

Does anyone know if there is a higher wattage version of the HIR2 available?
I have looked on the candlepower forums and they suggest the are some bulbs that will fit in the same place but despite being slightly higher wattage actaully produce less lumens.

I'd be interested to know if anyone else has found HIR2's in their headlights.

I'd also be keen to find out if anyone has found a replacement T20 5/21w that colour match the HIR2.

[Redback]

It seems they have changed the headlights for the MY14 Disco. I have a T20 Wedge for DRL and HIR2 for low and high beam.

Does anyone know if there is a higher wattage version of the HIR2 available?
I have looked on the candlepower forums and they suggest the are some bulbs that will fit in the same place but despite being slightly higher wattage actaully produce less lumens.

I'd be interested to know if anyone else has found HIR2's in their headlights.

I'd also be keen to find out if anyone has found a replacement T20 5/21w that colour match the HIR2.

Scroll down to the bottom
Land Rover replacement bulb guide (http://www.lightbulbs4cars.com/land%20rover%20bulb%20guide)

Baz.

[BJM]

Thanks for that Baz. My problem is it is incorrect for my car.
I have an MY14 Disco 4 with HIR2 (not HIR). The lamp connector is very similar to a HB3... but not quite the same.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/09/1313.jpg (http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a72/bjm374/20140811_103132.jpg)

[jammers]

I tried to install some hid aftermarket lights last night in the normal beam. Tried a single light first I got a peculiar symptom of the light only working for a few seconds before turning off. Then I can't get it on again. I changed to the other ballast and same outcome, working a few seconds then not. I followed guidelines that car must be running.

I have the d4 2.7 with halogens and am just running off the existing cabling no direct connection to the battery.

Other searching reveals that having auto headlights (which I have) could be a cause but my trusty voltmeters shows good voltage.

Anybody seen the same and resolved?

[101RRS]

My HIDs just plugged into the standard H7 socket - car does not need to be running, auto headlights is not an issue.

Mine just plugged in and work.

Maybe you have a faulty HID set.

Garry

[jammers]

Did you notice a big step up in light output? Seller was good and swapped for a 35w Canbus kit. Stuffed the ballast etc into the housing and it all works. I am not super impressed at the light output - maybe they sent the wrong colour? Says 35w 4300k on the outside which is what i asked for.

[101RRS]

Not a huge step up in light but still quite noticeable. I have a 55w system and 4300k is the colour range you should have.

When I took the HIDs out of high beam and went back to 4000K halogens that is when I noticed a substantial reduction in light output.

Garry

[jammers]

The original ballast was too large to go I inside, fit snuggly underneath the headlight assembly. Was happy to swap to smaller Canbus ballast but they are 35w. Happy I don't have to cut anything I guess the original globes were well focused then!

[101RRS]

I do not have CANBUS ballasts and could fit both the high and low beam ballasts fit inside the headlight fittings - not cutting involved - I held them in place using velcro dots.

Garry

[jammers]

So after living with them for a few days I have notices that they go from almost no light to some in a few seconds. Probably takes a minute or two to remove the blue hue and show white light. Light is nice once warmed up. I did order cheap set - anybody have an opinion on a bulb seller that is good? Thinking ahead to replace!ent bulbs, I noticed jaycar sell some for $15...

[101RRS]

My set was $60 off ebay so cheap. On start there should be a flash and then increasing brilliance to full brightness in about 5-7 secs. So if yours are taking a minute or two to get to full brilliance and colour there is an issue - not sure if ballast or globe.

garry

[Bytemrk]

My Highbeam on the D4 is EXCELLENT,it just lacks the depth only a good spotlight can give.
As I say,hurry up ARB getting some interest in my D2:):):):):)
Andrew

Same here...combined with my HID Hella 4000's and all is good. ;)

[idrabble]

Did anyone who installed an aftermarket HID kit have to use anything like these?:
Vehicle CAR H7 Xenon HID Bulb Spacer Holder Adapter Retainer 2 PCS FOR Mazda | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/111392369407'ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)
Or did the bulbs fit straight in?

[101RRS]

No needed for my fit the globes just clip in the same as the original Halogens.

[PeterOZ]

I have the LR OME spotlights fitted to my D3, crap spotlight. Would love to retro fit HID into them. Any thoughts on this?

[jammers]

So my adventure continues. My lights have developed a feature where one will occasionally not work. And then had my first total black out one evening picking the car up from service. I guess my source must not be of good quality. Had my battery checked and that is fine - thought maybe low voltage was the issue. They will flicker before they stop. Eventually I can get one or more to fire and I'm away....

[ytt105]

Had that problem on my P38, fixed it by the installing earth leads direct to the outside of each ballast

[BMKal]

I have the LR OME spotlights fitted to my D3, crap spotlight. Would love to retro fit HID into them. Any thoughts on this?

Haven't seen the spotties you have, but generally if you have crap spotlights, fitting HID is not going to make them much better. I've fitted HID to Hella Rally 4000's and this worked well, but the Hella is a well built light (ie. has good lens and reflector) to start with.

Rather than putting HID globes into your crap lights, I'd be looking at replacing them with decent lights - have a look at Fyrlyts if you have enough room to fit them. ;)

[BMKal]

So my adventure continues. My lights have developed a feature where one will occasionally not work. And then had my first total black out one evening picking the car up from service. I guess my source must not be of good quality. Had my battery checked and that is fine - thought maybe low voltage was the issue. They will flicker before they stop. Eventually I can get one or more to fire and I'm away....


Had that problem on my P38, fixed it by the installing earth leads direct to the outside of each ballast

Exactly. This type of fault with any lights is almost certainly due to a poor earth rather than a supply problem. ;)