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BSM
11th July 2014, 10:16 PM
Skipping along a graded gravel road last Tuesday into Arkaroola after a three hour off-road drive towing a camper trailer. Family looking forward to the first shower in three days, when 30km out the chime announces that the computers are not happy.

Console reads "suspension fault special programs off". A strange new symbol appears on the dash. A red disco icon wearing what appears to be ear muffs. Could this be that I don't want to hear what it has got to tell me?
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Stop the train in the parched and barren landscape. The leathery sack of a long dead roo carcass just nearby. Turn it off, Get out - check the front and rear wheels, and have a mild panic attack. The car is down on bump stops. Oh no. The compressors is dead, I'm thinking. Visions of waiting weeks in this godforsaken place for a new compressor to be flown from the UK via Concorde. Or a flat bed truck all the way back to Ritter. I'll be rooned!.

Have a slug of water from the bottle- they say when you're dying of thirst that it's better to have the water in you, than looking at you in a bottle - then take a slow walk round the car to the passenger side.

Oh... It's a flat. Rear passenger side.

Back into the car. See if the old turn it off and on will reset the faults. No such luck. Do I have a flat AND an air compressor failure? Nothing to do but change the wheel.

However, the whole car is barely 6 inches off the ground. No room for a jack. Weighed down further by the heavy trailer. And the trailer too low to lower the jockey wheel.

Fortunately, I could get a jack under the draw bar of the trailer. So that was the first thing solved.

Still the car was too low to get a jack under the chassis. So I had to put the jack under the tow bar to raise the car a bit.

And here is where some of my previous preparation (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/180334-d3-jack-replacement-solution-sorts.html) came in mighty handy. You see I carry two jacks. A 4 tonne and a 2 tonne bottle jack. The 2 tonne jack went under the tow bar to lift the car enough to get the 4 tonne jack under the chassis. Then move the 2 and work the chassis up to height using the two jacks and their screw extensions, and then finally place the 2 under the rear cross arms to get the spare on.

With the new tyre on, the car cleared its faults and the suspension rose to normal height (phew)

It was a bugger of a job. All the stuff had to come out of the car to get the spare, fortunately I was lent a hand by a passing couple holidaying from Tassie (thanks Phil).

I'll say more about the flat and the tyre itself in another post, but let me say, If I had only one bottle jack with me, or the crappy OEM jack, I don't think I could have changed the tyre. The clearance was just not there. So have a think if maybe you might want to consider a second jack too.

101RRS
11th July 2014, 10:31 PM
The OEM jack does fit under when on the stumps and a flat but it will take forever to jack it up if it doesn't collapse before hand. I find the OEM jack good enough to just jack the car up enough to get the hydraulic jack under - the OEM seems to do that OK.

Garry

jonesy63
12th July 2014, 06:59 AM
What tyres are you using - Coopers? :wasntme:

BSM
12th July 2014, 07:15 AM
What tyres are you using - Coopers? :wasntme:
Toyo Open Country AT. I'll say something more on this.

scarry
12th July 2014, 08:03 AM
Toyo Open Country AT. I'll say something more on this.

If you run something like BFG LT,then you will never need the jack:D

Good in a way the car faulted as it may have saved you completely destroying the tyre,but then it does give you more to worry about.

benji
12th July 2014, 04:26 PM
So the air suspension ecu picked up a flat tire?
That's pretty good!

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Bigbjorn
12th July 2014, 04:32 PM
just drive the flat tyre up onto the spare and then slip the jack under the chassis. Old trick.

BSM
12th July 2014, 05:06 PM
So the air suspension ecu picked up a flat tire?
That's pretty good!

I think the ECU couldn't level the car, figured the suspension was gone and just gave up.

shining
12th July 2014, 05:18 PM
I think the ECU couldn't level the car, figured the suspension was gone and just gave up.

That is how I worked out that we had a flat when the learner was behind the wheel. ECU tries to maintain level but can't so it throws a wobbly. Not a bad safety measure IMO.

shining
12th July 2014, 05:20 PM
just drive the flat tyre up onto the spare and then slip the jack under the chassis. Old trick.

Never tried it. I would be cautious trying it on alloys. Anyone tried it?

jonesy63
12th July 2014, 05:25 PM
I told a mate to drive up onto a rock - instead of the spare - when he got a flat in NT. Plenty of rocks around the Flinders. ;)

Trngia
13th July 2014, 10:09 AM
Yup. Had a similar problem after coming off the rio tinto road north of Tom price. Pressures back up for the road to exmouth and travelling along at 110 the suspension lowered and the warning light on. Pulled in and there was the flat tyre. Pretty impressive and came to a nice controlled stop before jacking up.

rangieman
13th July 2014, 11:04 AM
Never tried it. I would be cautious trying it on alloys. Anyone tried it?

A oldie but a goodie always carry a block of wood and drive onto the wood to gain clearance for the jack;)

kingo
13th July 2014, 11:28 AM
Hi, I have a set of mud tyres that I use on my RRS, 265/70/17's or about 32 inch in the old scale. If my car was to lower to the bump stops, same as BSM's, will they foul on the inner of the wheel wells, what happens if this occurs whilst moving.

Has anyone had this experience?

Thanks Andrew

Redback
13th July 2014, 01:50 PM
Hi, I have a set of mud tyres that I use on my RRS, 265/70/17's or about 32 inch in the old scale. If my car was to lower to the bump stops, same as BSM's, will they foul on the inner of the wheel wells, what happens if this occurs whilst moving.

Has anyone had this experience?

Thanks Andrew

We had 265/70/17s on our D4 when the compressor failed, went to the bump stops, had no trouble moving to a flat spot(going up a steep hill) at the top, managed to get to offroad height and drive out, compressor failed for good at home.

You'll have no probs with this size.

Baz.

TerryO
14th July 2014, 12:02 AM
Kingo with a RRS you might, I remember talking to Jimmy Salsa and he reckoned the RRS rear wheel arch is quite different to a Disco and its much easier to touch larger than standard tyres to body work.

Ask Gordon (GOE) the question he knows more about RRS's off road then most anybody.

BMKal
14th July 2014, 07:08 AM
This is why I've installed a decent TPMS in my D4 (bought it from Landybits on here). ;)

Very first trip Perth to Kalgoorlie, got a flat on right rear. Suspension tried to compensate by "levelling" the vehicle - until I started getting warnings about compressor overheating. Pulled over, discovered the flat and pumped up the tyre (wasn't completely flat) and managed to get home to Kalgoorlie without having to get the spare out on the side of the road. But next morning, found that the tyre was stuffed and had to replace it.

Cost of one new tyre was more than the cost of the TPMS. ;)

And driving up onto the spare isn't a problem, even with alloys. Have done it many times (most Toyotas will not allow you to get the jack under them on one end or the other if you have a completely flat tyre).

The trick is to only drive up onto the tyre, and not the rim itself (as if you were trying to break the bead on your spare if it were deflated).

PhilipA
14th July 2014, 07:15 AM
It is now mandatory in the USA for all vehicles to have flat tyre recognition, after the Ford Explorer problems.
Most manufacturers simply program the ABS to recognise the different rolling diameter of the flat vs inflated tyres.
That may be what the unknown symbol showed.

Regards Philip A

theresanothersteve
14th July 2014, 07:33 AM
The missus's D3 is an S, coil suspension, but when any tyre starts deflating she gets stability control warning lights when she goes around corners. (I get the same with the Commodore).

Normally gets enough warning to change the tyre while there's still enough air in it to keep the bum off the ground.