Changing technologies for the Internet/ NBN

[AndyG]

Networking Reviews, Ratings & Comparisons: Bell Labs Hits 10Gbps on Copper Lines (http://au.pcmag.com/news/13100/bell-labs-hits-10gbps-on-copper-lines)

Not interested in the political debate over the rights and wrongs of the NBN,

However, 10Gb over copper is amazing stuff, even if in the lab. I think we can reasonably expect a 1 Gb over copper being available reasonably soon commercially, if not already there.

What i want to see is power lines being used as the network grid and 5G wifi on lamp posts. Then they can stop digging up my driveway.

[Mick_Marsh]

Not exactly about the NBN, though, is it.
You know, I think that would be more than enough for most people. 1Mbps was enough for me.

[Slunnie]

But you have to live next door to the node. 30m.

[AndyG]

Meanwhile i am on the arse end of a VSAT connection with 700ms pings on a good day :(

Back in BNE on Foxtel i get a 100mbps download & 1.5 mbps upload, which is pretty good in practice.

When running a ISP in Port Moresby i transformed it by upgrading the core routers, which were my weakest link.

In relation to the NBN i see no effort to substantially upgrade our international links, which were a significant bottleneck last time i looked. So super fast to the home is one thing, then you get on the 2 lane slowway out of the country.

I should really change the thread header, but i dont think i can.

[SuperMono]

NBN = Not Built Nearby?

[Mick_Marsh]

Meanwhile i am on the arse end of a VSAT connection with 700ms pings on a good day :(

Back in BNE on Foxtel i get a 100mbps download & 1.5 mbps upload, which is pretty good in practice.

When running a ISP in Port Moresby i transformed it by upgrading the core routers, which were my weakest link.

In relation to the NBN i see no effort to substantially upgrade our international links, which were a significant bottleneck last time i looked. So super fast to the home is one thing, then you get on the 2 lane slowway out of the country.

I should really change the thread header, but i dont think i can.
Yes you can.
Click on the "Edit" button and select "Go Advanced".

[Mick_Marsh]

NBN = Not Built Nearby?
I'm on it. It's good.
Mind you, I'd be just as happy on 1Mbps ADSL. I'd be happier if my phone wasn't on fibre.
I have two phone lines, one on fibre and on on copper. The copper service has way less issues so I think it is vastly superior in performance and service as a telephone service.

[Slunnie]

NBN = Not Built Nearby?
Thats what I thought too. Built everywhere.... in the city.... where fibre already exists.

I live out of town and they've just stuck a big NBN tower up across the road. Cant wait until they switch that thing on!

[Mick_Marsh]

Thats what I thought too. Built everywhere.... in the city.... where fibre already exists.

I live out of town and they've just stuck a big NBN tower up across the road. Cant wait until they switch that thing on!
It's in some country areas too. They had to install the fibre.

Non NBN fibre has been in city areas for years.

[shining]

I live out of town and they've just stuck a big NBN tower up across the road. Cant wait until they switch that thing on!

Hooray!!! Apparently the fixed wireless from the nearest tower (10km) splashes the ridge that we live on. Hopefully by year's end we'll be on too! What I am looking forward to is a reasonable amount of download rather than the paltry few gigs we currently get (on wireless broadband) speed won't be lightning fast but I am a slow typist.
Note that the article was talking about 10Gbs (albeit over short distances 30m as indicated by Slunnie) , NBN speeds max out at 100Mbs. which is 1% of 10Gbs (if my maths is good). 100Mbs is standard speed from the blue cable at work these days so it is plenty fast unless you are designing a Deathstar. For me a couple of Mbs will be fine.

[Rurover]

I'm on it. It's good.

I have two phone lines, one on fibre and on on copper. The copper service has way less issues so I think it is vastly superior in performance and service as a telephone service.

So Mick is your "fibre" phone a VoIP phone. If so, I'm interested to hear what problems you have had,as I'm about to drop our copper line in favour of a VoIP service,fed by he very new NBN wireless tower just down the road.

Hopefully I've made the right decision.:(

Alan

[Mick_Marsh]

So Mick is your "fibre" phone a VoIP phone. If so, I'm interested to hear what problems you have had,as I'm about to drop our copper line in favour of a VoIP service,fed by he very new NBN wireless tower just down the road.

Hopefully I've made the right decision.:(

Alan
Yep, it's a VOIP. I have had it a year and rarely use it due to it's unreliability. A mate (who is with the same provider) has been working through the issues for a year now. He has had multiple firmware upgrades on his router and they even replaced the router.
It may be problems associated with the VOIP systems of the ISP. I have heard of many people with issues when their phones plug into the ISP's router which is then plugged into the NBNCo's UNI-D port.
My other line, which is on cu, I am trying to get moved to the NBNCo's UNI-V port. People on that system seen to have less trouble.
I don't know much about NBN wireless. They were going to use that here for some of the more regional customers but they may have given up on that idea and left them on cu.

[frantic]

Hooray!!! Apparently the fixed wireless from the nearest tower (10km) splashes the ridge that we live on. Hopefully by year's end we'll be on too! What I am looking forward to is a reasonable amount of download rather than the paltry few gigs we currently get (on wireless broadband) speed won't be lightning fast but I am a slow typist.
Note that the article was talking about 10Gbs (albeit over short distances 30m as indicated by Slunnie) , NBN speeds max out at 100Mbs. which is 1% of 10Gbs (if my maths is good). 100Mbs is standard speed from the blue cable at work these days so it is plenty fast unless you are designing a Deathstar. For me a couple of Mbs will be fine.

Ok a bit of research never hurt.
The SAME labs, Bell, that maxed copper out at 10gbs with a maximum range of 30 m maxed out optical fibre a over 1000 PETABITS , and as far back as 2006 they could maintain 14terrabits over 160km not metres.
Fiber-optic communication - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiber-optic_communication)

This link will explain what a PETABIT is.
Petabit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petabit)
Makes copper look like a flint compared to a nuke.

[AndyG]

http://www.internetsociety.org/sites/default/files/pdf/report-internetfutures-20091006-en.pdf

Some interesting scenarios from 5 years ago.

How would you cope with a dead Internet for a week? (Not just your connection, the lot :o )
Back in 2005 in my first week as an ISP manager it died for 3 hours due to a replicated corrupted file on the Core servers.

Imagine a deliberate sovereign state/ terrorist attack.

[sheerluck]

.......100Mbs is standard speed from the blue cable at work these days so it is plenty fast unless you are designing a Deathstar. For me a couple of Mbs will be fine.

I'm pretty sure that George Lucas managed to design a DeathStar even without the interweb. :D

[JDNSW]

One point needs to be remembered - the NBN is not just fibre.

I am on the NBN (ISS). Maximum speed 5/1, minimum lag 700ms, about eighty dollars gets me 10GB (down + up) peak, which the grandkids used in two days.

John

[frantic]

One point needs to be remembered - the NBN is not just fibre.

I am on the NBN (ISS). Maximum speed 5/1, minimum lag 700ms, about eighty dollars gets me 10GB (down + up) peak, which the grandkids used in two days.

John

This is all part of the packaging , for an extra 20 bucks you get 10 times more data, 100g compared to 10 and free landline calls, then for $50 extra you get 200g and all free calls.
Kids will download a movie or 2 at around 1gb each then maybe watch YouTube , combined with normal surfing and a few games , your limit will be gone.
Also telstra charges for what you upload which eats through it quicker.
https://www.telstra.com.au/broadband/home-broadband/nbn/?&red=/internet/home-broadband/nbn/plans-products/&tc=G%7CE%7CD%7CTP%7CTNBN%7CNBNTerms&mqp=sqWkJWuuF%7Cdt_40999951347_telstra%20nbn_e&gclid=CjwKEAjwuYOeBRCy3pLljpjDkDcSJAAhA4mtOCSFpDQr G0oV3jpGcgQR4W0zckDShgx0AltXTGIx2xoCn7zw_wcB

Then you have the competition, Optus, $90 for 200gb. And iinet with a bit more customisation from $59 for 20+20 g off peak to $89 for 500gb+500gb off peak, then you can pay to increase you speed from the base to 25/5 , 50/20 or 100/40mbs! :eek:
NBN Plans Broadband Internet - Home Phone Bundle - Optus (http://www.optus.com.au/shop/broadband/nbn/plans?CID=sem:con:goog:bau:acq:bb::0:fxnbn:bg&PPC=1&keyword_K=optus%20nbn%20plans&gclid=CjwKEAjwuYOeBRCy3pLljpjDkDcSJAAhA4mt52hSCcao U2nwOblNYUH5zEDri3i3WpXZq5Ov28LQaBoCqDjw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds)
NBN Plans - iiNet Australia (http://www.iinet.net.au/internet/broadband/nbn/plans/)

Personally I'll be going iinet unless a better plan is around when it's finished in my area. With 5 of us using the net we will be seriously considering the top 500gb plans, just got to convince better half about the speed:twisted:

[Mick_Marsh]

This is all part of the packaging , for an extra 20 bucks you get 10 times more data, 100g compared to 10 and free landline calls, then for $50 extra you get 200g and all free calls.
Kids will download a movie or 2 at around 1gb each then maybe watch YouTube , combined with normal surfing and a few games , your limit will be gone.
Also telstra charges for what you upload which eats through it quicker.
https://www.telstra.com.au/broadband/home-broadband/nbn/?&red=/internet/home-broadband/nbn/plans-products/&tc=G%7CE%7CD%7CTP%7CTNBN%7CNBNTerms&mqp=sqWkJWuuF%7Cdt_40999951347_telstra%20nbn_e&gclid=CjwKEAjwuYOeBRCy3pLljpjDkDcSJAAhA4mtOCSFpDQr G0oV3jpGcgQR4W0zckDShgx0AltXTGIx2xoCn7zw_wcB

Then you have the competition, Optus, $90 for 200gb. And iinet with a bit more customisation from $59 for 20+20 g off peak to $89 for 500gb+500gb off peak, then you can pay to increase you speed from the base to 25/5 , 50/20 or 100/40mbs! :eek:
NBN Plans Broadband Internet - Home Phone Bundle - Optus (http://www.optus.com.au/shop/broadband/nbn/plans?CID=sem:con:goog:bau:acq:bb::0:fxnbn:bg&PPC=1&keyword_K=optus%20nbn%20plans&gclid=CjwKEAjwuYOeBRCy3pLljpjDkDcSJAAhA4mt52hSCcao U2nwOblNYUH5zEDri3i3WpXZq5Ov28LQaBoCqDjw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds)
NBN Plans - iiNet Australia (http://www.iinet.net.au/internet/broadband/nbn/plans/)

Personally I'll be going iinet unless a better plan is around when it's finished in my area. With 5 of us using the net we will be seriously considering the top 500gb plans, just got to convince better half about the speed:twisted:
Why did you quote John's post. John does not have fibre. NBN Satellite with iiNet, for example, is no longer available.
Oh, interestingly, iiNet's wireless plan (which falls somewhat short of 100Gbps) is internet only. If you want a phone, it's on copper.

[shining]

One point needs to be remembered - the NBN is not just fibre.

I am on the NBN (ISS). Maximum speed 5/1, minimum lag 700ms, about eighty dollars gets me 10GB (down + up) peak, which the grandkids used in two days.

John

Hi John,
There are better value plans than that around for satellite. If you aren't locked in to a contract have a look around. On the other hand if 10Gb is enough for you (when the ankle biters aren't around) then running out is a good way of enforcing some engagement with the kids.

[Slunnie]

then running out is a good way of enforcing some engagement with the kids.
Whats the most TB you can get! :D

[shining]

Whats the most TB you can get! :D

TB? Tera Byte?

[frantic]

Why did you quote John's post. John does not have fibre. NBN Satellite with iiNet, for example, is no longer available.
Oh, interestingly, iiNet's wireless plan (which falls somewhat short of 100Gbps) is internet only. If you want a phone, it's on copper.

He was talking data limits not speed;)
Their wireless, 100/100gb with 25/5 Mbs is $64.95. Plus cost of a land or just a mobile phone.
Afaik satellite was oversubscribed and service has been stopped for any new customers.
Bingo here it is.
http://www.nbnco.com.au/connect-home-or-business/information-for-home/connecting-your-home-to-the-interim-satellite-service/satellite-service-providers.html#.U8HMpicayK0
And another with iinet leading way to not rip off customers.
http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/government-it/iinet-stops-selling-nbn-satellite-due-to-almost-unusable-speeds-20131118-hv3j3.html

Where can you get 100Gbps? Was that 30m on copper

Ohh hang on here's the list of record speeds achievable with optical fibre:twisted:

Year Organization Effective speed WDM channels Per channel speed Distance
2009 Alcatel-Lucent[8] 15 Tbit/s 155 100 Gbit/s 90 km
2010 NTT[9] 69.1 Tbit/s 432 171 Gbit/s 240 km
2011 KIT[10] 26 Tbit/s 1 26 Tbit/s 50 km
2011 NEC[11] 101 Tbit/s 370 273 Gbit/s 165 km
2012 NEC, Corning[12] 1.05 Petabit/s 12 core fiber 52.4 km

So 1 terrabit/Tbit is equal to 1000 gb and 1 PETABIT is 1000 Tbit so coppers best performance is 0.000001% of the best optical fibre run so far over less than 1/1746th the distance( 30 m copper v 52.4 km;))

Fiber-optic communication - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiber-optic_communication)

[Mick_Marsh]

He was talking data limits not speed;)
Their wireless, 100/100gb with 25/5 Mbs is $64.95

then you can pay to increase you speed from the base to 25/5 , 50/20 or 100/40mbs!
Still doesn't add up.

The major problem with fibre speeds it they're meaningless when there is no fibre to connect to.
Even with the small town I live in, if you don't live within the few kilometres of the town area, you aren't getting on fibre. It falls far short of the rhetoric.
I would gladly forgo my fibre service if it meant those more regional than me get a much improved service.
OMG! Does that make me a socialist!

[Slunnie]

TB? Tera Byte?
Thats it.

[JDNSW]

This is all part of the packaging , for an extra 20 bucks you get 10 times more data, 100g compared to 10 and free landline calls, then for $50 extra you get 200g and all free calls.
...

Maximum available is 20/30 GB for $130. Landline is not available with satellite. VOIP is available, but with 700ms minimum lag, conversations can get interesting.

Transferring to another RSP is problematic as none are offering NBN satellite at present. So I don't know where your figures come from - I think you may be confusing satellite NBN with other NBN services.

My whole point is that the NBN is not just fibre, and, for example, it is generally conceded that ADSL or even mobile wireless is vastly superior to the NBN satellite.

John

[JDNSW]

Hi John,
There are better value plans than that around for satellite. If you aren't locked in to a contract have a look around. On the other hand if 10Gb is enough for you (when the ankle biters aren't around) then running out is a good way of enforcing some engagement with the kids.

Apart from the fact that nobody is taking new customers at present, as far as I can ascertain, my present RSP is the pick of them, despite some others offering larger plans, in some cases unlimited (but these unlimited plans mean everyone with that RSP has very slow connections). With the RSP I have, I can call them and talk to someone who not only speaks English and lives in Australia, but actually knows what they are talking about. And if I send an email to the CEO, I usually get a reply within ten hours.

On the second point, yes, I agree entirely. Now all I have to do is get them off the Wii, the TV and the laptop!

John

[Slunnie]

John will you be getting wireless NBN or will satellite be it?

[JDNSW]

John will you be getting wireless NBN or will satellite be it?

As far as I can tell, satellite is it. Maximum wireless coverage from Dubbo is about 14km - I am about 50km. I am a bit closer to Dunedoo, but still about 40km, and in any case, last time I looked they are getting satellite too, unless they are allowed to keep ADSL.

John

[33chinacars]

Will be lucky to have NBN here by 2020. :censored::mad::censored::mad::censored::mad:

[frantic]

Just got my letter that it's available here :D
Now to shop for best NBN package.

Mick, if you look at the list in my last post there are fibre cables that can carry far more than we need over 240km without a booster at 69 Tbit/s, broken down its 432 fibres in the cable each carrying 171gb. Now the cost of laying a new network to houses up to 240km from a booster/town centre is large but I believe worth it.

I agree satellite ping is crap, and really should only be needed for truly remote areas, not 50k's out of a large centre.

The other thing that is not helping take up rate is the areas first connected. Kiama and Jamberoo have a higher level of retired people along with weekenders which means lower interest, my area, Dapto/Kanahooka and just over the hill from Jamberoo in Albion Park, Shellharbour and oak flats there are a lot more younger families who all use the net and are screaming out for better bandwidth, yet they are years away. If you look at the map you have Kiama/ Jamberoo (population 1000)connected, Albion Park???? Parts of Shellharbour yes others??? Then Dapto parts connected, others in the middle not.

[Slunnie]

Based on the last report, take up is 35%

[Mick_Marsh]

Mick, if you look at the list in my last post there are fibre cables that can carry far more than we need over 240km without a booster at 69 Tbit/s, broken down its 432 fibres in the cable each carrying 171gb. Now the cost of laying a new network to houses up to 240km from a booster/town centre is large but I believe worth it.
You say that as if I have some input into the design of the NBN infrastructure. You'll have to talk to Tenix about that one and whoever wrote the specification for the design.

[shining]

Mick, if you look at the list in my last post there are fibre cables that can carry far more than we need over 240km without a booster at 69 Tbit/s, broken down its 432 fibres in the cable each carrying 171gb. Now the cost of laying a new network to houses up to 240km from a booster/town centre is large but I believe worth it.



At the last election enough Australians believed that the FTTH was not worth the cost. Extending fibre further? Who know how much that would cost? Its an old scratched record but...Much of our regional and rural infrastructure is sub-standard because of our population density is relatively low. The NBN won't be any different.

The NTT experimental test was over a single fibre with 432 multiplexed channels. Quite impressive. The issue is having hardware that can deal with handling and routing that volume of traffic.
News Release 100325a (http://www.ntt.co.jp/news2010/1003e/100325a.html)

Cisco now has its CRS-3 that can operate at 322Tbs but the practicalities are that AT&T is using the CRS-3 technology in field trials at 100Gbs on their backbone (not in the consumer environment). The buggery box on the end is $90k. NOT coming to a farm house near us anytime soon unfortunately.
Cisco CRS-3 Boosts Internet Backbone Speeds to 322 Terabits (http://geeknizer.com/cisco-crs-3/)

I haven't looked for multiple corroborating sources for this info.

Re the NBN, I prefer the FTTHome over the FTTNode solution for the urban areas but will be happy with wireless because I choose to live where I do. Just as with mobile coverage, over time service and coverage will improve. With any luck the permanent satellites will be up on schedule in 2015.

[FeatherWeightDriver]

Based on the last report, take up is 35%

That depends on how you define take up... ;)

No way that 35% of premeses passed have active connections, and even the premises passed number is less than stellar in absolute terms.

[frantic]

Shining, don't mention election promises, as most have already proven false and we are not allowed to get political.
We paid to have a copper network over 100 years, then sold it. The fibre network is being embraced overseas with long distance undersea connections along with houses. Yet we are going to take a backwards step to a supposedly cheaper option and give a slice of it to Murdoch. Wonder why there has been no balanced reporting on that issue, along with his massive tax return that the Govt has refused to fight, double bonus for him.;)

[Mick_Marsh]

Based on the last report, take up is 35%
Says a lot, really.
I would have thought take up would be closer to 100% considering they are pulling the copper network out in the areas that have had fibre installed.
Maybe people don't see their home phones as important any more.
I must admit I have been thinking of having my home phone services discontinued.

[DiscoMick]

Copper and wireless will never match fibre.

[FeatherWeightDriver]

Switch off data: myNBN | Switch-Off List (http://www.mynbn.info/switchoff/list)

Copper isn't being ripped out, only deactivated, and even then only after 12-18 months after the fibre is activated in the area.

The first set of copper deactivation only started recently, and interestingly happened even if not every premises in the FSAM was able to connect to the NBN. Also interesting to see where folks had copper switched off, but didn't bother with NBN.

Summary take-up data - see here: myNBN | Stats (http://www.mynbn.info/stats)
And detailed by FSAM, see: myNBN | FSAM List (http://www.mynbn.info/fsam/list)

Be careful about reading the "connected" statistics, because they may mean several different things:
- passed: fibre in front of the house, but fibre is not live
- serviceable: live fibre in front of the house
- PCD installed: live fibre in front of the house, passive connection box on the house installed and connected
- NTD: live fibre in front of the house, passive connection box on the house installed and connected, active modem installed and connected
- active service: live fibre in front of the house, passive connection box on the house installed and connected, active modem installed and connected, and customer paying for a voice and/or data service

As you can imagine, the numbers get smaller quite quickly the further you get down the list

e.g.:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/07/573.jpg

I have had an active fibre connection for 12 months now - w00t :-)

And it is this good:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/07/574.jpg

[jonesfam]

OK
I live 10k out of town (Home, not work) & they are about to build a bloody great NBN tower on the hill right behind us, about 1k away but much higher than our house.
We currently have a little gizmo that works over the mobile phone network & then generates Wi-Fi in most of the house. This works OK & is portable if I'm on the veranda or something, it will keep up to 5 Wi-Fi devices going though slowly.


So when the bloody great NBN tower is built (which I hope I can't see) should I change over? How do these towers work? Do I have to have something to pick up the tower & then Wi-Fi to our devices or do we all just Wi-Fi to the tower? We have about 8 Wi-Fi devices between the phones, tablets & game consoles.
Excuse my ignorance.
Jonesfam

[FeatherWeightDriver]

Sounds like fixed WiFi NBN jonesfam.

It sets up the same as if it was wired with fibre though, i.e. you need a fibre compatible router with wifi to plug in to the nbn box, and can't connect directly to the signal coming from that tower from your home devices

See: http://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbnco/documents/fixed-wireless-end-user-guide.pdf

[Cobber]

NBN = Not Built Nearby?that's about right! :D

[Mick_Marsh]

Copper and wireless will never match fibre.
Maybe true but why have a multilane freeway when only a goat cart uses it?

[Mick_Marsh]

Copper isn't being ripped out, only deactivated, and even then only after 12-18 months after the fibre is activated in the area.
So, does that mean my copper connected telephone will still work on the copper network once it has been deactivated?
They will be "deactivating" the copper network in the next few months and they're having a bugger of a time trying to switch my copper phone to fibre. They've failed to turn up to three appointments made in the last twelve months so far.

[Chucaro]

Mick, could be that the solution will be using the NBN for internet only and having a mobile with a $70 plan to do the rest?
There are a lot of people that go in this way to be reachable 24/7 if they wish and having the NBN for video-conference, date and research only.
I am about to have NBN with in the next couple of month, it is ready here and I am contemplating to go with the NBN and mobile as I described above.
Just a thought.....

[Mick_Marsh]

Mick, could be that the solution will be using the NBN for internet only and having a mobile with a $70 plan to do the rest?
There are a lot of people that go in this way to be reachable 24/7 if they wish and having the NBN for video-conference, date and research only.
I am about to have NBN with in the next couple of month, it is ready here and I am contemplating to go with the NBN and mobile as I described above.
Just a thought.....
Yep. That's a good thought if it works for you. I thought of that about six months ago but I need a home phone.
My mobile costs me about $10-$20 per month and the copper phone about $50 per month.
The internet and IP phone is $70 per month. The IP phone has issues and is useless for up to 25% of my calls and does not support the house alarm and fax machines, which is what it was intended, so that will be ditched when I'm out of contract and my internet will drop to $40 per month.
What I want is not difficult and many other people in the area have a fibre phone only. The problem has occurred because the NBN work has already been done (and that's not in the o/s call centres script), I have three services from two telco's, and those manning the o/s call centres do not listen. I've got some Aussies working on it now so all should sorted next week, so they tell me.

[Nobby07836]

Hi chaps,
I know a bit about this as I worked with Telstra about 10 years ago demonstrating a product that eliminated the 'last mile' by use of a radio product. The company I worked for achieved a 25 Mb downlink speed at a distance of 50kms. Not line of sight before anyone says that :cool:
The product was point to multipoint star configuration and would have integrated really well into existing infrastructure at the time.
Telstra just didn't want to know.
A simular situation in Sri Lanka is now a mature network with many years of service under its belt.
A question, do the power companies use the earth conductor on ht lines to wrap a fibre around to lay new lines? Common practice in other countries but I have not seen it here!?!

Nobby07836

Sent from my D6503 using AULRO mobile app

[DiscoMick]

Why not? Demand will inevitably rapidly grow, so why not plan ahead? My workplace went on fibre recently (we paid to get it before it was scheduled) and the improvement was remarkable. Once you've got it, all sorts of new uses become possible. In our case, the amount of worthwhile usage exploded once it became possible. Time for us to be a clever country for a change, stop being content to be second-rate and get up to speed for the future.

[FeatherWeightDriver]

So, does that mean my copper connected telephone will still work on the copper network once it has been deactivated?
They will be "deactivating" the copper network in the next few months and they're having a bugger of a time trying to switch my copper phone to fibre. They've failed to turn up to three appointments made in the last twelve months so far.

My understanding is no, your existing phone connected to copper will not work after the deactivation.

If you already have a live UNID port, isn't adding a voice port simply a case of paying for a UNIV service and plugging in a phone?

I have not had or needed a home phome for probably close to 10 years now. When you get to the point that when it rings you just stare at the phone and wonder who it is, time to cancel that service and save a few dollars. ;)

[DiscoMick]

FTTH is certainly the preferable solution for the future wherever possible, from what I've read about this.

[Mick_Marsh]

If you already have a live UNID port, isn't adding a voice port simply a case of paying for a UNIV service and plugging in a phone?
I would have thought so but apparently not.


FTTH is certainly the preferable solution for the future wherever possible, from what I've read about this.
FTTH has been around for many years. I know some gamers who have had it connected before we heard those letters NBN. The thing that annoys me is that we are being forced to get it whether we want it or not.
I am one of the few people in my street that has internet. I'd say very few of them have computers. I only get five wifi networks appear and three of them are mine. The old ADSL over copper was more than enough for me.
Most of the people have telephone only. The telephone was well serviced by the existing copper network. The only people I know who have trouble with the copper network are too far out to get fibre.
Mick, I can see you want fibre. Appreciate many do not have the same needs as you.