So many threads on the Gibb River Rd

[joel0407]

With the number of AULRO members posting there experience up there in the last month or so, there isn't much left for me to say. I think I have looked at 4 - 5 threads already and that's just AULRO members so that'll give you an idea of the number of people up there.

It's not the great Australian adventure I was expecting. Busy as hell and just as expensive. The best place that I saw was Diamond Gorge at Mornington but also the most expensive. It cost us $400 for 2 families for 2 nights camping.

Pretty much all of what the others have said about the Rd conditions and traffic is exactly right. The Gibb was pretty good but the Kulumbaru/Mitchell Falls rd was rubbish. The grader was about 15km north of Drysdale and still heading north when we were there.

Happy Days.

[Ean Austral]

With the number of AULRO members posting there experience up there in the last month or so, there isn't much left for me to say. I think I have looked at 4 - 5 threads already and that's just AULRO members so that'll give you an idea of the number of people up there.

It's not the great Australian adventure I was expecting. Busy as hell and just as expensive. The best place that I saw was Diamond Gorge at Mornington but also the most expensive. It cost us $400 for 2 families for 2 nights camping.

Pretty much all of what the others have said about the Rd conditions and traffic is exactly right. The Gibb was pretty good but the Kulumbaru/Mitchell Falls rd was rubbish. The grader was about 15km north of Drysdale and still heading north when we were there.

Happy Days.


Have to agree Joel, the joys of travelling when the whole country is on school holidays.
I must admit I was expecting to read how crap your D2 was and how you should have bought a 100 series cruiser, but after watching your posted dash cam vid and reading the associated words I assume the D2 went well. It certainly passed plenty of Toyota's.


Cheers Ean

[PAT303]

It's getting harder to get away from the wobblies in the bush,it'll get worse as they tar more and more of the roads. Pat

[CraigE]

With the number of AULRO members posting there experience up there in the last month or so, there isn't much left for me to say. I think I have looked at 4 - 5 threads already and that's just AULRO members so that'll give you an idea of the number of people up there.

It's not the great Australian adventure I was expecting. Busy as hell and just as expensive. The best place that I saw was Diamond Gorge at Mornington but also the most expensive. It cost us $400 for 2 families for 2 nights camping.

Pretty much all of what the others have said about the Rd conditions and traffic is exactly right. The Gibb was pretty good but the Kulumbaru/Mitchell Falls rd was rubbish. The grader was about 15km north of Drysdale and still heading north when we were there.

Happy Days.

The point of it all was it was rough crappy roads not freshly graded easy road, part of what limited access to those that really wanted to explore. Now it is basically open to soft roaders all the way through once the graders have been through. The other thing to remember is the graders can only start after the rains and cyclones have stopped. This can be anywhere from the start of June through to late July and then another month at least to complete. Not exactly sure what you expect? Yes the area is expensive and certain groups do overcharge for camping $400 is way too much for 2 nights and they wonder why people camp on the side of the road. I know we certainly do when they charge stupid prices like that.

[cjc_td5]

This year was my first up there for 12 years and the first in the school holidays. It was much busier than I remember but whether this is the holidays only I don't know. The GRR is not the challenge that it once was but the landscapes and gorges make it worth it.

The main thing that got us was the size of rigs being towed, 30+ foot off-road caravans etc.

I would go back in an instant, only got photos and a dusty car to look at now :-(.

Cheers,

[joel0407]

Have to agree Joel, the joys of travelling when the whole country is on school holidays.
I must admit I was expecting to read how crap your D2 was and how you should have bought a 100 series cruiser, but after watching your posted dash cam vid and reading the associated words I assume the D2 went well. It certainly passed plenty of Toyota's.


Cheers Ean

Yes mate, I'm going to have say I have been given faith in my Disco. My only problem was knocking the Fog/Indicator out of the bumper. The problem now is, I went to both wreckers in Broome, one in Kununnara, the dealer in Broome and the Dealer here in Darwin. To start with I haven't found a Disco 2 being wrecked anywhere up north here, Broome LRn keep no parts, they only get stuff overnight from Perth and to top it off Land Rover only sell the whole unit, I can't buy just the clip.

From the amount of rubbish I gave my mate about my Disco being better than his Toyota I have to keep this a little secret. I have a squeal sort of sound coming from the engine bay. I just can't pick if its bearing, belt or metal vibration.

It wasn't all stress free. I was very worried when I left. I was limited by not just cash but space of how many spares I could take. 2 things I didn't have was fuel pump and crank angle sensor. About half way I noticed my fuel pump was noisey but I can't remember how noisy it was before. Then when the weight fell off the rear diff I thought it had all come to an end but it turned out not to be that bad at all.

Happy Days.

[cjc_td5]

I'll agree with you Joel that I feel very confident about the d2 now. My dad rode with me when we did the mercy dash to get the new trailer spring and he commented just how great it rode compared to his cruiser. I could take the floodways and bumps much faster and just float over them where he would have to slow or crash through.

I heard a few new noises occasionally and driving up was stressing about I should be carrying this or have replaced that. In the end I told myself to stop stressing and enjoy the trip. The car pulled through great in the end and powered home.

Cheers,

[joel0407]

The point of it all was it was rough crappy roads not freshly graded easy road, part of what limited access to those that really wanted to explore. Now it is basically open to soft roaders all the way through once the graders have been through. The other thing to remember is the graders can only start after the rains and cyclones have stopped. This can be anywhere from the start of June through to late July and then another month at least to complete. Not exactly sure what you expect? Yes the area is expensive and certain groups do overcharge for camping $400 is way too much for 2 nights and they wonder why people camp on the side of the road. I know we certainly do when they charge stupid prices like that.

I found it a bit anoying going back the Vic Hwy to Kununnara and they must have been 30 free 24hr camp sites along the hwy but where all the people that want to bush camp, along the GRR, there is only 1.

Open to soft roaders is an understatement. You could drive a Commodore along the GRR but not on some of the side roads to the gorges. It was exactly the road condition that turned some off the Kulumbaru/Mitchell Falls Rd but there was still over 60 vehicles in the camp area.

Happy Days

[Ean Austral]

Yes mate, I'm going to have say I have been given faith in my Disco. My only problem was knocking the Fog/Indicator out of the bumper. The problem now is, I went to both wreckers in Broome, one in Kununnara, the dealer in Broome and the Dealer here in Darwin. To start with I haven't found a Disco 2 being wrecked anywhere up north here, Broome LRn keep no parts, they only get stuff overnight from Perth and to top it off Land Rover only sell the whole unit, I can't buy just the clip.

From the amount of rubbish I gave my mate about my Disco being better than his Toyota I have to keep this a little secret. I have a squeal sort of sound coming from the engine bay. I just can't pick if its bearing, belt or metal vibration.

It wasn't all stress free. I was very worried when I left. I was limited by not just cash but space of how many spares I could take. 2 things I didn't have was fuel pump and crank angle sensor. About half way I noticed my fuel pump was noisey but I can't remember how noisy it was before. Then when the weight fell off the rear diff I thought it had all come to an end but it turned out not to be that bad at all.

Happy Days.


I felt a bit like this for the first 50ks driving out of Darwin when we did the Canning Stock Route, in the end I told myself if I think that way I would never do any trip off road. Never thought that way again.


Is it the rear light in the bumper you speak of ? reckon I likely have one of them at home, will check tonite and let you know.


Cheers Ean

[Gerokent]

My first trip across the GRR was in the mid 80's in a holden HZ ute with swags and a 44 gallond drum of fuel on the back, no problems at all. Now you see 4WDs with 4" lift, the biggest muddies they can get, 27 spot lights, and they still brake down. I find it amazing how people get sucked into the mind set where they think they need all and any accessories they can lay their hands on when all it takes is an easy right foot and a bit of nouse.

[joel0407]

Is it the rear light in the bumper you speak of ? reckon I likely have one of them at home, will check tonite and let you know.

Yep. This bit. If you have one, I'd like to buy it from you if you want to sell it.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/07/262.jpg (http://s560.photobucket.com/user/joel0407/media/Disco/7F01AAD6-AE2F-464C-96CA-F47C3F3B3991_zpsmaiwvcbr.jpg.html)


I felt a bit like this for the first 50ks driving out of Darwin when we did the Canning Stock Route, in the end I told myself if I think that way I would never do any trip off road. Never thought that way again.

I think half my problem is spending too much time on here reading all the things that could go wrong. In reality the few problems that I read about on here aren't that likely with the number people on here that don't have problems.

Happy Days.

[BigJon]

My first trip across the GRR was in the mid 80's in a holden HZ ute with swags and a 44 gallond drum of fuel on the back,

I did it about 11 or 12 years ago in a HJ ute. Twin fuel tanks, no 44 gallon drum :D.

[Fatso]

My first trip across the GRR was in the mid 80's in a holden HZ ute with swags and a 44 gallond drum of fuel on the back, no problems at all. Now you see 4WDs with 4" lift, the biggest muddies they can get, 27 spot lights, and they still brake down. I find it amazing how people get sucked into the mind set where they think they need all and any accessories they can lay their hands on when all it takes is an easy right foot and a bit of nouse.


Agree, I drove a bog standard mini 850 from Sydney to Dampier in January 1968 , the road from just north of Carnarvon where the tar ran out to Dampier was no picnic .

[bob10]

The publicity given to the public by the 4WD media, in certain magazines, has led to the perception that you just have to do these roads, prep your vehicles with all the latest mods, & bling , just what do people want out of these trips. Is it an ego trip, I did it faster than you, Or is it a mad dash, in two or so weeks, just so you can brag to your mates , you did the Gibb, or the Canning, or worst of all, the Cape.

How many people actually research the trip, take their time to find areas of interest, & go off the mainstream , to the real bush. I know working people only have a limited time to do these trips, but to me, it is not worth doing if it is a mindless dash. You are better off either concentrating on closer to home, with quality research on your area, or spending the money to fly to an interesting place you have not been.


There is a book, By Ian read. The driving guide to the;


Kimberley
Kakadu
Top end
Western Gulf Country
N W Qld Northern central Australia
Including;
Plenty highway
Tanami road
Canning stock route
Main highways from southern Australia.


Mud maps & all, Really worth having a look at.


BTW, a well maintained Disco 2, driven by some one who understands the beast, is king of the road, & off road. Bob

[bob10]

Just one more thing, Joel. If that was my daughter in your vehicle, and my grandchildren? In the video? In those dangerous moments, for you & the vehicles you passed? I would come looking for you, for an attitude adjustment. Now, you know Joel, I can't help myself, if I have something to say. Bob

[Ean Austral]

Hey Joel,


I have a complete unit you can have, the light part is pretty average, but still has the clip in the housing.


I am at work tomorrow as our fish trawler is coming in broken down, or can catch up later. I will send a PM with my number.


Cheers Ean

[vnx205]

I know that it is hard to compare the condition of the GRR and the Mitchell Falls Road from year to year, but having done the trip about 15 years ago in a Series III LWB, I find myself wondering why so many people seem to have so much trouble.

One explanation that springs to mind is that since you rarely get something for nothing, it may be that the trade off for all the comfort and sophistication of a modern 4WD over a Series III means that the vehicle is actually less suitable for such a trip and likely to be an expensive exercise if something does go wrong.

When I did the trip we had to wait a few extra days in Kunanurra because the Mitchell Falls Road had not been opened after a late cyclone at the end of the wet season. So when we went into Mitchell Falls, the road had not yet had any work done on it and on the GRR, the creek crossings had been filled, but very little of it had been graded.

In spite of that I didn't encounter any problems on those roads. We saw the washaways in plenty of time to negotiate them at comfortable speeds.

I hear of numerous tyre failures, yet my crossply retreads performed faultlessly. I hear of shock absorber failures, yet mine gave no trouble. They were renewed just before the trip, but they were very ordinary shocks. They were about the cheapest I could buy, but they did the job.

Another possible explanation is that modern 4WDs do too good a job of insulating the occupants from the outside world. In a Series LR, you know when you are driving on corrugations and you know when you are driving too fast for the conditions. Maybe in a modern 4WD the emphasis on comfort means that the occupants are almost oblivious to the fact that the road conditions are making the shocks and other suspension components work so hard that they are about to destroy themselves.

Maybe it is because in a Series LR you are quite accustomed to driving even on sealed roads at a speed that is almost acceptable on roads like the GRR. Series drivers only need to slow down a little to be safe, while drivers of modern 4WDs have to slow down a lot to get to the same, safe speed.

If even half of those things contribute to the failures experienced by drivers of modern 4WDs, then I would rather have the simplicity and dependability of a basic 4WD rather than the comfort of a modern 4WD. It seems to me that the price you have to pay for all that speed, comfort and luxury is just too great.

[PAT303]

Weight,a 200 series is 2700kg dry,add bull bar,winch,dual batteries,steel roof rack,two fridges,steel side steps,a twin rear tyre carrier it's now 3500kg and you haven't put anything in it yet.People wonder why their tyres blow out and suspension flogs out. Pat

[vnx205]

I forgot about the increase in weight.

I think the Series III LWB was about 1000kg lighter than the 200 Series. Even without the extra fittings you mentioned, that is a lot of extra weight.

[Bearman]

I know that it is hard to compare the condition of the GRR and the Mitchell Falls Road from year to year, but having done the trip about 15 years ago in a Series III LWB, I find myself wondering why so many people seem to have so much trouble.

One explanation that springs to mind is that since you rarely get something for nothing, it may be that the trade off for all the comfort and sophistication of a modern 4WD over a Series III means that the vehicle is actually less suitable for such a trip and likely to be an expensive exercise if something does go wrong.

When I did the trip we had to wait a few extra days in Kunanurra because the Mitchell Falls Road had not been opened after a late cyclone at the end of the wet season. So when we went into Mitchell Falls, the road had not yet had any work done on it and on the GRR, the creek crossings had been filled, but very little of it had been graded.

In spite of that I didn't encounter any problems on those roads. We saw the washaways in plenty of time to negotiate them at comfortable speeds.

I hear of numerous tyre failures, yet my crossply retreads performed faultlessly. I hear of shock absorber failures, yet mine gave no trouble. They were renewed just before the trip, but they were very ordinary shocks. They were about the cheapest I could buy, but they did the job.

Another possible explanation is that modern 4WDs do too good a job of insulating the occupants from the outside world. In a Series LR, you know when you are driving on corrugations and you know when you are driving too fast for the conditions. Maybe in a modern 4WD the emphasis on comfort means that the occupants are almost oblivious to the fact that the road conditions are making the shocks and other suspension components work so hard that they are about to destroy themselves.

Maybe it is because in a Series LR you are quite accustomed to driving even on sealed roads at a speed that is almost acceptable on roads like the GRR. Series drivers only need to slow down a little to be safe, while drivers of modern 4WDs have to slow down a lot to get to the same, safe speed.

If even half of those things contribute to the failures experienced by drivers of modern 4WDs, then I would rather have the simplicity and dependability of a basic 4WD rather than the comfort of a modern 4WD. It seems to me that the price you have to pay for all that speed, comfort and luxury is just too great.

From my experience it is that most people are in such a hurry to get "somewhere" and drive too fast for the conditions and then wonder why they get into trouble.

[LandyAndy]

Would love to have a crack at grading up there,show them how a road should be formed up:cool::cool::cool::cool:.
My good mate Derby Dan came and worked with us for a few years steering a grader,he had to learn how we set roads up for high rainfall.He did a few station roads when he went back up there,crowned them up like we do instead of grading them flat as what the norm is(he tells me).Tells me the the station owners were really impressed with how well they stood up to the wet.
Andrew

[steane]

Weight,a 200 series is 2700kg dry,add bull bar,winch,dual batteries,steel roof rack,two fridges,steel side steps,a twin rear tyre carrier it's now 3500kg and you haven't put anything in it yet.People wonder why their tyres blow out and suspension flogs out. Pat

It would probably be over its load rating up front at that point as well.

[Ean Austral]

From my experience it is that most people are in such a hurry to get "somewhere" and drive too fast for the conditions and then wonder why they get into trouble.


Think its a combination of this and weight. Cruising in our D3 with air suspension and no road noise I was very surprised when I looked down and seen us doing 70km/h and in complete comfort . If I done 70km/h in my D2 on the same corrigations I would know without a doubt what speed I was doing.


We met people doing the Canning stock route in 5 days when we did it in 2010, not really sure why you would waste your time if you wanted to do it that fast, but people did.


We have a rule when we do trips like that, don't get on the road before 9am and off the road by 3pm, its for this reason we only went as far as we did our last trip on the Gibb River Highway.


Each to their own, but why go all that way and barrel thru and do 1000kms a day.


Just my 3c of course.


Cheers Ean

[joel0407]

Hey vxn205, it sounds like you got up there before all the traffic. If that was the case you probably had a pretty smooth run apart from the wash outs from the wet.

As I understand it. As the beginning of the dry when the road is first open, it's in pretty good condition apart from some really big wash outs. As long as you travel at a sensible speed that you can slow up enough for the wash outs, this is probably the best condition the road will be in.

After it gets some traffic, it starts to get corrugated and the surface starts to break up then it gets graded.

We noticed that due to the lack of moisture, the corrugations start to form pretty soon after the grader. We knew the grader had been working his way from Drysdale and he was only 15km north but those 15km weren't really that great. They were already getting pretty corrugated.

As for weight. We went across the weighbridge here in Darwin as my mate and I left. I was bang on 2780 and he was 3780 in his 100 series. I was 100kg under GVM, he was about 600kg over (I think).

Something I noticed was how rough the Disco was at slower speeds. We really needed to reach 60km/h for it to smooth out then if we got over 70km/h the vibrations were just too harsh. That 65km/h was just our sweet spot, even on the Kulumbaru and Mitchell falls roads.

We saw near all the other people going slower but it was just rougher. Rather than the shocks stiffening up and resisting the fast movement of the wheels and axles, they would just bounce up and down. With the shocks stiffening from the speed the tyres that were at the reduced pressure were doing more if not all the work and riding over the corrugations. We travel beside each other several times and noticed just how smooth our wheels were compared to other vehicles.

Happy Days

[CraigE]

I found it a bit anoying going back the Vic Hwy to Kununnara and they must have been 30 free 24hr camp sites along the hwy but where all the people that want to bush camp, along the GRR, there is only 1.

Open to soft roaders is an understatement. You could drive a Commodore along the GRR but not on some of the side roads to the gorges. It was exactly the road condition that turned some off the Kulumbaru/Mitchell Falls Rd but there was still over 60 vehicles in the camp area.

Happy Days

They are actually planning to seal most of it which is disappointing. You are exactly right when you say a Commodore could be driven on many of these roads now. Having said that our indigenous brothers have been driving road cars into these areas for decades.

[joel0407]

Just one more thing, Joel. If that was my daughter in your vehicle, and my grandchildren? In the video? In those dangerous moments, for you & the vehicles you passed? I would come looking for you, for an attitude adjustment. Now, you know Joel, I can't help myself, if I have something to say. Bob

Before you judge. Buy yourself a GoPro and check your own footage. I was only doing 60 - 70km/h when the road was clear. The wide angle makes it look much faster and it also doesn't show depth well. It's hopeless at night time because it only shows things right in front of the vehicle. I have tried to video the number of roos that jump across in front of my vehicle around southern/Central QLD at night but it only shows the few that get close to the bull bar.

But hey if you want to form your opinions from your limited knowledge of me then that is your prerogative.

I think I already knew you can't help but have something to say before you know all the details. Lucky I know that and I don't get offended by what you say.

Happy Days.

[d@rk51d3]

Just one more thing, Joel. If that was my daughter in your vehicle, and my grandchildren? In the video? In those dangerous moments, for you & the vehicles you passed? I would come looking for you, for an attitude adjustment.

And you'd probably get one too. :D

[Saitch]

My first trip across the GRR was in the mid 80's in a holden HZ ute with swags and a 44 gallond drum of fuel on the back, no problems at all. Now you see 4WDs with 4" lift, the biggest muddies they can get, 27 spot lights, and they still brake down. I find it amazing how people get sucked into the mind set where they think they need all and any accessories they can lay their hands on when all it takes is an easy right foot and a bit of nouse.
Here's Rupert, from England at Home Valley on the Gibb We ran into him at the Pentecost crossing. He was waiting for another vehicle before attempting the crossing in the mighty Citroen. He made it, no worries, but was complimented by all on his attitude. I did have a photo of the Citroen next to a lifted, locked, lighted, barred, 35"ed wankmobile but can't find it:(
Enjoying the read & getting itchy feet!
Steve

[CraigE]

Honestly 4x4s are actually very rarely needed on most tracks and roads, it is just preferable. People accessed these areas well before 4x4s were commercially available. In reality ask yourself how many times did I engage 4x4 on these roads. I know in between 4x4s in the early 90 I had an XD ute (Ford POS) and I took that all areas a 4x4 could get into without engaging 4x4 and a lot where high range was engaged and even some low range. Mainly down to driving style, choosing driving lines, gear selection, tyre and tyre inflation. And believe me this was a POS Falcon, one of the worst cars I have owned, possibly why I took it bush.
Having said that in a lot of areas was accompanied by 4x4s so if recovery was needed it could be done, though never was.

[PhilipA]

I guess I will be criticised but this year I did the GRR in 2 days of travelling.
The aim was to fill in the missing bits that we couldn't visit 4 years ago and that was really only Mornington wildlife sanctuary. I decided to continue on GRR as it is 400Km shorter than backtracking to the highway .

We drove from Broome to Silent Grove first day as we got to Wynjana turnoff at lunchtime. Then to Mornington via a coffee/fuel/gas stop at Iminji , and talked for a while to the lady who manages it and heard her horrific story of the helicopter crash, which was why they hadn't been there for some years.

Going to Silent Grove we were going to stop for a swim at Galvens Gorge but there were 2 tour buses and about 6 4X4s parked there .Seeing Galvens is only a small pool we gave it a miss.

Next morning we were "acccepted" by Mornington. Yay!

We stayed at Mornington 3 nights, then drove up the road. We stopped at Mt Barnett for a cuppa/drink then on to Ellenbrae for afternoon tea and scones and then to El Questro where we found the diesel leak which I have posted .
This was 1 June and already the tour groups were out in force.

I don't see the GRR as particularly hard . It's just a dirt road.

I took 3.5 hours 4 years ago to go King Edward campground to Mitchell falls in my RRC with 2 inch lift and billies. At one stage I stopped and foolishly felt a shocker, which was at least 70C -80C and enough to burn if held. I couldn't find a speed where the car was happy so just plodded along. I was passed by many hire Land cruisers at warp speed and I later met 2x200 owners who were stranded at Drysdale with front shocks blown, and I met a bloke in a Navara on the Mitchell road who stopped as he passed to comment on the idiots going fast. 1Km later there he was minus a wheel, having broken all the studs. IMHO poor maintenance or checking.

Aside from the worn out fuel pipe which IMHO is not GRR related, I have never had any mechanical or tyre trouble.

With regard to grading, I was told by someone at Kulumburu, that the problem over the mountains is that there is just no topsoil left so they just rearrange the rocks when they grade.
I note that the good parts of the GRR now are topped with a grey topping, which is distinct from the orange base and black loose corrugated stuff on the majority.
There was one trap for young players into Mornington. There is a quite deep bulldust patch about 3/4 the way in and the bloke next to me in a D3 was caught but no damage, although his Anderson plug for fridge had fallen out maybe there and was mangled by the time he reached Mornington. Luckily I was able to give him one and got a nice bottle of wine in return..
Regards Philip A

[Gerokent]

. Having said that our indigenous brothers have been driving road cars into these areas for decades.

And most of them (cars) are still there on the side of the road :wasntme:
Thats why the graders have push bars on them ;)

[Yorkie]

The gibb claimed our van spring shackle but the car was fine, however, I have dobinson hhd spring up front (220llb), these will be getting changed in Darwin as the ride on corrugations is bad.

[joel0407]

The gibb claimed our van spring shackle but the car was fine, however, I have dobinson hhd spring up front (220llb), these will be getting changed in Darwin as the ride on corrugations is bad.

Is it your springs or shocks that are causing the ride on corrudations to be bad?

Happy Days

[Yorkie]

I think springs, sitting at 565mm centre hub to guard, front feels rock solid and whole dash rattling on the grr.

[joel0407]

Are you at Lee Point Rd caravan park? I live just up the Rd at Lyons. I have the same springs but a fair amount of weight up front with the bar and winch. I had the softer dobinson springs first but sold them after less than 1000km as they were too light.

I'd be keen to catch up and compare.

[Ean Austral]

I reckon I have a set of original D2a front shocks that were on the car from brand new and were taken off with 30kms on the clock... ie from the dealership to ARB.


Happy to check if you like, I took them as spares on the canning trip but never needed them.


Cheers Ean

[Yorkie]

Cheers Ean, the shocks are good, spring just too firm, you'll see soon. :)

[Ean Austral]

Cheers Ean, the shocks are good, spring just too firm, you'll see soon. :)


No worries you got my number, catch up soon.


Enjoy the scenery from there to here, been looking at the weather map, bit of SE winds coming from monday , cool nights atleast.


Cheers Ean

[Yorkie]

sneak peek.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/07/69.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/07/70.jpg

always carry a rachet strap, you never know. :cool: