Biggest and best tires for Perentie 6" rims

[BadCo.]

Ok, firstly I apologise for another tire thread. But what I'm asking I couldn't find an answer for.

So my plan is, when the funds become available I'll be getting a set of Silverstone MT177 Extremes in 33x10.5 on 15" after market steel rims (you know the ones, 8 spoke, on just about every off road truck) for fun in the mud.

Now with my green standard perentie rims I want to either take off the Olympics and keep them aside for resale reasons or get another set of 6.5" 130 rims. The tires I want to put back on the these rims will be used for travelling around the place (not a daily driver) and playing on the beach.

So I think I'm going for some ATs as wide as I can fit, so maybe around 235-245? But the kicker is the price. They have to be way cheaper then my mud tires, maybe under 200?

What are your thoughts? Let me know if I missed anything out.

[DBT]

Pretty sure 255/85R16 is the biggest that will fit in the spare spot underneath.

The other issue is performance on taller rubber. Are you planning a turbo?

[BadCo.]

Pretty sure 255/85R16 is the biggest that will fit in the spare spot underneath.

The other issue is performance on taller rubber. Are you planning a turbo?

Yes for the turbo, but it's down the track a long way.

255 probably won't be recommended on a 6 or 6.5 rim

[BadCo.]

Maybe something in the size of 235/85R16 or 245/75R16 both of which should give about a 31" tire.

[dingsy]

235/85 should be fine - but you'll need to go tubed to be 100% legit on the tubed rims. Many run tubeless on tube rims but I personally wouldn't.

[BadCo.]

235/85 should be fine - but you'll need to go tubed to be 100% legit on the tubed rims. Many run tubeless on tube rims but I personally wouldn't.

I'm not even sure I have tubes at the moment. Is there an easy way to check without removing or deflating a tire?

[dingsy]

I'm not even sure I have tubes at the moment. Is there as easy way to check without removing or deflating a tire?

If you look at the valve stem you will be able to tell. Also if you're running perentie wheels with Olympic steeltreks then they're definitely tubed. If you look at the wheel it should have "tubed" printed on the rim as well.

[BadCo.]

Didn't see tubed but saw the date 3507, 7 year old tires too old? I'll check valves tomorrow.

Also they AY68108 rims, for the record.

[AIF]

Didn't see tubed but saw the date 3507, 7 year old tires too old? I'll check valves tomorrow.

Also they AY68108 rims, for the record.

Definitly too old. Give them to me:D

[BadCo.]

Definitly too old. Give them to me:D

Come and get them haha.

So what cheap tires in 235/85R16?

[Dervish]

Come and get them haha.

So what cheap tires in 235/85R16?

I'm not sure it'd be worth the effort to change from 7.50r16 to 235/85r16, they are almost the same size. Here's an old shot of my two (well, three), the Defender wearing 235/85r16 BFG KM2 Mud Terrains for comparison.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

The 235s are a little wider, but diameter is the same.

255s are generally accepted as ok on 6.5" rims. For what you want, I would just run a single set of 255/85r16s all the time. Two sets of wheels with slightly different sized tyres is a waste, for all the time and effort it takes to switch them over you'll just leave one set on. Trust me. Maybe I'm just lazy :p

[BadCo.]

I'm not sure it'd be worth the effort to change from 7.50r16 to 235/85r16, they are almost the same size. Here's an old shot of my two (well, three), the Defender wearing 235/85r16 BFG KM2 Mud Terrains for comparison.

http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad246/OreganoM1/IMG_6638small_zpsc4607efd.jpg

The 235s are a little wider, but diameter is the same.

255s are generally accepted as ok on 6.5" rims. For what you want, I would just run a single set of 255/85r16s all the time. Two sets of wheels with slightly different sized tyres is a waste, for all the time and effort it takes to switch them over you'll just leave one set on. Trust me. Maybe I'm just lazy :p

I won't be swapping between the Olympics and the 235/85s. As described in the original post I'll be running 33x10.5R15 in mud and want an alternative tire for sand and trips elsewhere.

[BadCo.]

After doing some tire calculations

http://www.1010tires.com/Tools/Tire-Size-Calculator/235-85R16/245-75R16/255-85R16/33x10-50R15

255/85R16 seem like a good size, now let's see what I can get with that size...

[isuzurover]

I won't be swapping between the Olympics and the 235/85s. As described in the original post I'll be running 33x10.5R15 in mud and want an alternative tire for sand and trips elsewhere.

I wouldn't have a problem running 255/85-16 on 6" rims. They will be fine. I prefer a narrower rim as it gives you less chance or damaging the rim or losing a bead when aired down.

I have 285/75-16 (33") MTRs on one vehicle and 255/85-16 (33") Maxxis Bighorns on another. They both get used for everything: Mud/sand/road/long distance touring. Both are on 7" (modified Disco 1) rims, however the 255's could use a narrower rim.

IMHO it is better to buy one set of tyres rather than 2 sets that get old and hard and need to be replaced when half worn.

[BadCo.]

I wouldn't have a problem running 255/85-16 on 6" rims. They will be fine. I prefer a narrower rim as it gives you less chance or damaging the rim or losing a bead when aired down.

Really? I thought it would have worked the other way around? (in my head atleasr)


IMHO it is better to buy one set of tyres rather than 2 sets that get old and hard and need to be replaced when half worn.


My idea was to get cheap all round tires and flash mudders, but if I have to replace them after little use and sitting around all year, then maybe not. How easily and fast do tires expire from sitting around?

[isuzurover]

Really? I thought it would have worked the other way around? (in my head atleasr)



My idea was to get cheap all round tires and flash mudders, but if I have to replace them after little use and sitting around all year, then maybe not. How easily and fast do tires expire from sitting around?

I have never rolled a tyre off a bead. I usually run my tyres at 7 psi offroad. I have seen plenty of people roll the same width tyres off 8" rims.

Current recommendations are 6 year life for tyres. In NZ they will probably stay soft and supple for longer though due to cooler temperatures and less UV/ozone.

At the end of the day though it will probably cost you more to run 2 sets of tyres.

[frantic]

In the 255/85 size there are 2 main choices, BFG km2 muddies or Maxxis bighorn muddies, both go for around the 300-350 price, sometimes less.
I have the maxxis on my defender and they have been good, better than the old 235 /85 cooper st/bfg at combo the previous owner had.
The one thing to consider is the offset. I have a longer travel setup and the 255's would just rub on the rear spring mount top plate at full articulation on the factory alloys(+33mm). I have some wheel spacers to stop this(take it to zero), or you could just get the wheels at a further out offset, +20, 0 , -15 or -25.

[BadCo.]

In the 255/85 size there are 2 main choices, BFG km2 muddies or Maxxis bighorn muddies, both go for around the 300-350 price, sometimes less.
I have the maxxis on my defender and they have been good, better than the old 235 /85 cooper st/bfg at combo the previous owner had.
The one thing to consider is the offset. I have a longer travel setup and the 255's would just rub on the rear spring mount top plate at full articulation on the factory alloys(+33mm). I have some wheel spacers to stop this(take it to zero), or you could just get the wheels at a further out offset, +20, 0 , -15 or -25.

Yup those are the only two tires google could tell me.

As for clearance 16 inch rims in different offsets are impossible to find here and Spacers are illegal unless certified. So not sure how I will get around those.

Thanks for all the information so far guys.

-Bad

[Blknight.aus]

Stay on the stock rubber size...

Bfg MT range is good and run on of the MAXXIS numbered range for about the same performance for a lot less buck.

By way of example
The maxxis 980 is a drop on replacement for the BFG AT as fat as performance goes.

[BadCo.]

Stay on the stock rubber size...

Bfg MT range is good and run on of the MAXXIS numbered range for about the same performance for a lot less buck.

By way of example
The maxxis 980 is a drop on replacement for the BFG AT as fat as performance goes.

So you reckon stay with 235/85R16? Why do you say that? Just for clearance issues?

Cheers

[DBT]

Dave, do you cosider the 235s to be std, even though wider than 7.50s?

Hoping so, cause 235s are so much easier to find.

[87County]

Although 255 85 16s will fit in the spare location, unless you've turbo'd it you may find the stock gearing will be a little tall.

Other minor problem some owners have found is that an exhaust alteration may be required to clear the lhr tyre.

Blknite's advice above is spot on, 235s are close.

[BadCo.]

Although 255 85 16s will fit in the spare location, unless you've turbo'd it you may find the stock gearing will be a little tall.

Other minor problem some owners have found is that an exhaust alteration may be required to clear the lhr tyre.

Blknite's advice above is spot on.

I was planning on cutting the exhaust before the wheel arch anyway but not having a turbo might make me go for the 235.

If the gearing becomes to tall what effect would this have on onroad and offroad performance?

[87County]

I was planning on cutting the exhaust before the wheel arch anyway but not having a turbo might make me go for the 235.

If the gearing becomes to tall what effect would this have on onroad and offroad performance?

You may have to slip it into low range earlier than you would normally expect, you may only get into top gear in high range when on the highway :).

[BadCo.]

You may have to slip it into low range earlier than you would normally expect, you may only get into top gear in high range when on the highway :).

Just from playing on the beach, 4th is no use in low range as there is little power (need a turbo) and in high ratio I could use a 5th gear at 110kmh, and a gear between 3rd and 4th at 60kmh.

Need a turbo.

Did I mention I wouldn't mind having a turbo?


-BadCo

[isuzurover]

Although 255 85 16s will fit in the spare location, unless you've turbo'd it you may find the stock gearing will be a little tall.

...

IME this is not the case. I ran 255s with an NA engine for a while. Gearing was fine, and I have an LT85, so 1st and reverse are taller than an LT95.

Surprise surprise it woould also still pull 5th on the highway without problems...

[BadCo.]

Just happened to have a look at the spare and even though I have Olympics all round the spare is a XZL and it looks way gnarlier then the Olympics.

[isuzurover]

Just happened to have a look at the spare and even though I have Olympics all round the spare is a XZL and it looks way gnarlier then the Olympics.

XZLs are great. Just sit down before they give you a price.

[BadCo.]

XZLs are great. Just sit down before they give you a price.

That's if you can find them.

[BadCo.]

Ok so I'm still a little unsure what I'm going with. Will be off 4wding this weekend so hopefully I will get an idea of what the skinny tires are like.

I would like to run bigger tires, like 255 bighorns but am I going to get a big performance hit with a non turbo 4bd1?

Will no power steering also be an issue with wider tires? Remembering my Perentie is a weekend warrior not a daily driver, so I won't be taking it grocery shopping but purely hunting and 4wding.

As I said above at 60kmh 3rd is revving too high and 4th is too low and at 110kmh 4th revs a tad high, wouldn't then the bigger tires improve my gearing?

Next issue with bigger tires is clearance. I'm sure I read somewhere that the Perentie is an inch taller then stock defenders, so will I still need 30mm spacers or 0 offset rims?

Thanks again for all the help.

-Bad

[isuzutoo-eh]

Well, the non-turbo 4BD1 in my County has pushed me around on 255/85/16 Bighorns for 4 years or so, sometimes a turbo would be nice but I don't own a sports car. When I put 7.50R16s on it for a few months, I couldn't really tell any difference, it was still as slow/fast/responsive as with the larger tyres. It isn't like i'm trying to shave milliseconds off a quarter mile personal best.
I wouldn't think twice about putting 255/85R16s on my stock standard FFR.

[BadCo.]

Well, the non-turbo 4BD1 in my County has pushed me around on 255/85/16 Bighorns for 4 years or so, sometimes a turbo would be nice but I don't own a sports car. When I put 7.50R16s on it for a few months, I couldn't really tell any difference, it was still as slow/fast/responsive as with the larger tyres. It isn't like i'm trying to shave milliseconds off a quarter mile personal best.
I wouldn't think twice about putting 255/85R16s on my stock standard FFR.

Are you running stock height? How are you for clearance? Do you rub on full lock or full articulation?

Cheers!

[isuzurover]

As I posted on the previous page, I ran 255s for ages while NA (stock height suspension). I also run 285/75s on a IIA without PAS.

You won't regret 255s.

[isuzutoo-eh]

Are you running stock height? How are you for clearance? Do you rub on full lock or full articulation?

Cheers!

Bit less than 2" lift but that is only spring lift not body lift so has basically no influence on clearance when articulating. Steering stops are adjusted to give better turning circle than my FFR has. The only scrubbing is the tyres against the wheel arch flares and the exhaust. A bit of trimming would fix the flare rubbing and the place that did my exhaust didn't go as tight as the OEM exhaust is.
The offset of the rims has more influence on scrubbing than any other one factor I reckon.

[BadCo.]

Awesome, looks like Ill get myself some Maxxis Bighorns in 255/86R16.

Thanks a lot for the help!

BadCo

[lucas.armstrong.77]

I have 285/75R16s 33" but only four and from reading this thread glad I didn't buy a 5th as it would seem that it wouldn't have fit in the spare spot

[BadCo.]

I have 285/75R16s 33" but only four and from reading this thread glad I didn't buy a 5th as it would seem that it wouldn't have fit in the spare spot

You have those on your perentie, on the 6" rims? Stock height? Any issues?

[Judo]

What you need is some rims with a slighter wider offset. For example, near the bottom of this page:

Steel Rims (http://www.lrautomotive.com.au/contents/en-us/d141.html)

16" x 7" +20mm
16" x 8" 0mm

(Pretty sure your current rims are +33mm).

Then 255-85R16's. Winning.

[BadCo.]

What you need is some rims with a slighter wider offset. For example, near the bottom of this page:

Steel Rims (http://www.lrautomotive.com.au/contents/en-us/d141.html)

16" x 7" +20mm
16" x 8" 0mm

(Pretty sure your current rims are +33mm).

Then 255-85R16's. Winning.

Nope. I realise this thread has become a few pages long now, but in the OP I stated I will be getting some steel rims with full muds and I am after some everyday tires.

EDIT: Wow you guys have way more selection of wheels then what I can get over here.

[B.S.F.]

Didn't see tubed but saw the date 3507, 7 year old tires too old? I'll check valves tomorrow.

Also they AY68108 rims, for the record.

The rims are most likely 6" AYG 8108 not AY 68108. Could make a difference if you if you do a search. .W.

[Judo]

My bad! Got carried away. Just read your first post again. In that case I'd just recommend anything that is 33" for consistency with your new ones. Otherwise drive-ability will be a little different between tyres as well as the speedo reading different when you swap between. 33" are a favourite on 110 owners, so you'd be going with a common size as well. 255-85R16's are the obvious choice in 33's.

[BadCo.]

My bad! Got carried away. Just read your first post again. In that case I'd just recommend anything that is 33" for consistency with your new ones. Otherwise drive-ability will be a little different between tyres as well as the speedo reading different when you swap between. 33" are a favourite on 110 owners, so you'd be going with a common size as well. 255-85R16's are the obvious choice in 33's.

Ah thanks, hadn't considered driving on alternating tire sizes!

[Judo]

How about some of these for your everyday's..

Maxxis Mudzilla - ATV (http://www.maxxistyres.com.au/tyredetails.php?id=56&cat=5)

:p

[BadCo.]

The rims are most likely 6" AYG 8108 not AY 68108. Could make a difference if you if you do a search. .W.

Ha, I think I was staring at that G on the rim trying to figure out what it was.

Thanks for clarifying.