I dont understand.

[derpomz]

It seems that various p38,s have different engine bits.

I have looked under the bonnet of mine and at pictures of other engines, and there seems to be a great deal of difference.

Let me set an example, and i have no idea of the names, so i have made them up as i go along.

Just next to fuse box under the bonnet, there is what looks like a big black ball with the picture of a book on it, what is that.

Where the stepper motor, or whatever, is supposed to be , its not and what on earth a plenum is or where its supposed to be, i havent a clue.

[p38arover]

Time to buy a RAVE CD. ;)

The black ball is the hydraulic pressure accumulator which is on the brake pump. It will eventually need to be replaced.

http://www.rangerovers.net/repairdetails/braketc/accumulator.html

There are two engine series. From 1994-1999 the engine is commonly called GEMS which refers to the Generic Engine Management System that controls the ignition and fuel injection. The GEMS engines have a very simple design intake chamber (plenum).

images below from RoverParts website.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/04/893.jpg

From 1999 onwards, the engines are commonly called Thor or sometimes Bosch. The latter refers to the Bosch Motronics engine management system. The intake on these is sometimes called a bunch of snakes as it is much more complex.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/04/892.jpg

See http://www.roverparts.com/TechTips/boschvsgems.cfm

[TheTree]

Mate

You need to go to the page below and click the first link for a zipped RAVE

http://p38.hts.com.au/rangie_websites.html (http://p38.hts.com.au/pdf/rave.zip)


It will unzip on your computer and all you need is Adobe Acrobat reader

Then many of the mysteries can be solved :p

Steve

[p38arover]

Or click on Shop on the menu bar above and buy a copy there.

https://www.davesitshop.com/emporium/index.php?_a=category&cat_id=3

[TheTree]

Also read every related bit you can find on Range Rovers .net

RANGEROVERS.NET HOME (http://www.rangerovers.net/)

Steve

[daf11e]

Two years ago I didn't know any terminology on our trucks....after reading rangeroversnet over and over I am now quite up with most issues and terms....also most people on that net only tend to help if you seem to at least read up on that particular issue.....fair enough I think.

[p38arover]

Two years ago I didn't know any terminology on our trucks....after reading rangeroversnet over and over I am now quite up with most issues and terms....also most people on that net only tend to help if you seem to at least read up on that particular issue.....fair enough I think.

I didn't think I was that bad when I was there!

[derpomz]

I am on that site and have been reading extensivley from it, but i anm still confused.

People seem to have some many ideas what is wrong and whats not with certain vehicles.

I ahevnt had this car long and i am starting to get a be sick of finding out what goes wrong and the various methods of fixing them. Some are extremely useful and then you have the argumentative types, like in all things, who disagree.

I am at the stage now that if somebody offered me a reasonable price for it, my Rangie would be gone. What with my wife not liking it and little things going wrong, i am reluctant to drive the bloody thing. Its a pity because i really wanted one, the mielage i am getting is far better than what people talk about. I have had the roof fixed and replaced some parts, but where does it stop.

[mtb_gary]

derpomz

Don't get too stressed about all the problems posted on the forums. After all how many people actually post saying it's all working? The forums can be a wealth of knowledge, here on AULRO far more than most!! There are some forum members on here that have a wealth of knowledge way beyond anything a lay person will ever likely acquire.
If it's any consolation, my wife also does not like like the Rangey (she prefers her Captiva? I know, don't get me stared :wasntme:). But in saying that, when we venture off road apart from the usual comments of you'll never get up that, over that, through that, etc, aside from the pale complexion at the other side she will admit to being surprised at how well it go's off road. And not once has she mentioned being uncomfortable with the seating or ride, she just doesn't like the large bonnet. As for towing, absolutely fantastic! If I try to tow the boat (around 2 tonne) with my X-Trail (it has a legal towing capacity of 2 tonne) I usually get asked why I'm not using the Rangie? The X-Trail is a company car and all fuel etc is paid for but it struggles big time! So 99% of the time I use the Rangie. As for general road use, it's usually friends or family when visiting from interstate and our (grown up) children who drive it when their cars are off the road for whatever reason.
Overall it is a safe reliable car that is capable of going virtually anywhere in a level of comfort that is achieved by few. Hang in there, once you get over the little niggly bits and get some regular maintenance happening you won't be disappointed.

Gary

[daf11e]

P38arover I wasn't suggesting anyone was bad.....just felt that continuous same questions without a little research wore on some...I currently have a head gasket issue and have read your thread....GOOD STUFF.

[p38arover]

just felt that continuous same questions without a little research wore on some...

Oh, it certainly does. It's the same on any forum. People ask without doing a search. Often the question has been asked many times before.

One problem is that the in-built search engines are pretty primitive and another is that many don't know how to use Google to search a site.

[TheTree]

Two years ago I didn't know any terminology on our trucks....after reading rangeroversnet over and over I am now quite up with most issues and terms....also most people on that net only tend to help if you seem to at least read up on that particular issue.....fair enough I think.

To be honest I don't post much there I find the attitude of some people there to be a little offputting!

Steve

[Greatsouthernland]

It seems that various p38,s have different engine bits.

I have looked under the bonnet of mine and at pictures of other engines, and there seems to be a great deal of difference. :eek:

Let me set an example, and i have no idea of the names, so i have made them up as i go along. :eek::eek:

Just next to fuse box under the bonnet, there is what looks like a big black ball with the picture of a book on it, what is that. :eek::eek::eek:

Where the stepper motor, or whatever, :eek::eek::eek::eek: is supposed to be , its not and what on earth a plenum is or where its supposed to be, i havent a clue AGREED:cool:.

A pom whinging about a pommy car that he hasn't bothered to buy a workshop manual for...:p

Don't think you're the first one to feel that way, but good advice has been given....as you've told the forum you're an ex bobbie (cop) now retired, so what better way to spend those twilight years - getting to know the mysteries of a Rangie. As bad as you make it sound, I'm sure you'll grow to love it and learn some mechanical names while you're at it. Enjoy!

[98se40]

Derpomnz,

from what I have been reading so far, it sounds as though you are baffled my mechanics. Me too, which is why I only muck around with the smaller things, and get someone else to do the larger things when dollars can afford it.
I love my rangie...its comfy to drive, I dont tow. I just like the solid feel of a P38.
I think if you get a copy of RAVE ( as Steve has linked for you ), grab a banana chair and start reading......you will be amazed at what you will learn.

If that fails I would buy a weekly bus ticket:p

Just saying as I see it

Cheers

[Greatsouthernland]

Derpomnz,

from what I have been reading so far, it sounds as though you are baffled my mechanics. Me too, which is why I only muck around with the smaller things, and get someone else to do the larger things when dollars can afford it.
I love my rangie...its comfy to drive, I dont tow. I just like the solid feel of a P38.
I think if you get a copy of RAVE ( as Steve has linked for you ), grab a banana chair and start reading......you will be amazed at what you will learn.

If that fails I would buy a weekly bus ticket:p

Just saying as I see it

Cheers

:BigThumb: :thumbsup: :ohyes:

[derpomz]

A pom whinging about a pommy car that he hasn't bothered to buy a workshop manual for...:p

Don't think you're the first one to feel that way, but good advice has been given....as you've told the forum you're an ex bobbie (cop) now retired, so what better way to spend those twilight years - getting to know the mysteries of a Rangie. As bad as you make it sound, I'm sure you'll grow to love it and learn some mechanical names while you're at it. Enjoy!

Its not that i dont like the Rangie, i do. Its just that the confusion by some people on this site make it very hard to get a grip on things.

I felt when joining this site i would get good advice, and i have, but some people just need to shut up and realise we are not all mechanics. Stop giving advice people cant understand and use the KISS principle.

I have got RAVE and am starting to read so just back off for a while, OK.

NEVER A BOBBIE, been here 50 years, so get the picture.

[Greatsouthernland]

A pom whinging about a pommy car that he hasn't bothered to buy a workshop manual for...:p

Don't think you're the first one to feel that way, but good advice has been given....as you've told the forum you're an ex bobbie (cop) now retired, so what better way to spend those twilight years - getting to know the mysteries of a Rangie. As bad as you make it sound, I'm sure you'll grow to love it and learn some mechanical names while you're at it. Enjoy!

Its not that i dont like the Rangie, i do. Its just that the confusion by some people on this site make it very hard to get a grip on things.

I felt when joining this site i would get good advice, and i have, but some people just need to shut up and realise we are not all mechanics. Stop giving advice people cant understand and use the KISS principle.

I have got RAVE and am starting to read so just back off for a while, OK.

NEVER A BOBBIE, been here 50 years, so get the picture.

:o oh that's right, was a police officer here, sorry :D

Backing off for you there cobber, don't blow a gasket this early. I'll let you work out what a gasket is in your own time. :angel: yep we all need to learn when to shut up, especially in a free country, just remember you are retired now ;):cool:

[daf11e]

Derpomz,whilst I can appreciate your frustration for you to say :stop giving advise people can't understand : IMHO I think you. Should be thankful for ANY advise forthcoming , say thank you and move on!!!

[p38arover]

One problem for anyone giving advice is, of course, that we might be trying to tell granny how to suck eggs and we don't wish to offend.

However, if someone is upfront and says "I'm not technical, please explain in layman's terms", etc., we will do that.

I'm not a mechanic, I trained as an electronics tech. It's just that I've worked on my own cars since the age of 12. My father was a mechanical engineer so I learned a lot from him.

I'll try working on any part of the car. I'm not put off by the complexity of it.

[TheTree]

You also need to remember the P38 is a fairly complex beast, each piece can be fairly simpe to work on or fix, but in combination it can seem daunting.

My background is mainly in IT and electronics. Like Ron I have been working on cars since I was pretty young, then took a break for many years until I bought the P38.

I had a reasonably good mechanical background but since buying the P38 I have had to come up to speed on fuel injection, LPG sequential injection, air suspension, Wabco ABS and other little niceties like blend motors :p

We all know how hard it is to ask a question when you don't know what something is called; so often a picture is worth a thousand words!

Steve

[98se40]

I have counted up to 18 threads Depomnz has made, and not a thank you in one!:o

If anyone gives advice, its always worthy of a thank you, even if you dont understand it

As Steve said, it is a complex car.

AND yours is on coils!.........oh dear:eek:

Cheers

[davidsonsm]

One thing for sure with a P38. You gotta be prepared to educate yourself and have a go. Otherwise, it'll be an expensive piece of heartache. ;)

Everybody on the P38 thread seems super helpful. So I try to keep on the charm offensive to stay in credit with everybody's goodwill (you heard the one about borrowing the farmers tractor one too many times), and express common courtesy wherever I can. I don't want the goodwill well to dry up. I need the help.

[derpomz]

I have counted up to 18 threads Depomnz has made, and not a thank you in one!:o

If anyone gives advice, its always worthy of a thank you, even if you dont understand it

As Steve said, it is a complex car.

AND yours is on coils!.........oh dear:eek:

Cheers

Ok if this what this site is about then i am gone from it. I have thanked many people. I dont come here to get into other people, i come here for help.

Have a go at me, i dont care, i know its complex and i understand that, but if you are the calibre of people here, then this site needs to look at itself.
Attacking other people is not the way.

Thanks.

[TheTree]

Perhaps this is as much about board etiquette as much as anything else

Usually you try to make sure the title of the thread is related to the issue and secondly it is considered good manners to thank people

Lets not turn this into a "bash someone" thread, which is very rare on aulro, and cut derpomz a little slack

This is by far the best board for the P38, there is a lot of knowledge on the rr.net forum but also a lot more attitude than what you find here.

So hang in derpomz it will get better!

Steve

[sheerluck]

Ok if this what this site is about then i am gone from it. I have thanked many people. I dont come here to get into other people, i come here for help.

Have a go at me, i dont care, i know its complex and i understand that, but if you are the calibre of people here, then this site needs to look at itself.
Attacking other people is not the way.

Thanks.

This forum isn't like that at all, derpomz. However, I know it is frustrating not knowing, and not even knowing how or where to start!

It's a shame you're not closer, as I would happily spend an afternoon with you, with the bonnet up and attempting to take some of the mystery away. I'm not totally au fait with the P38, but am OK with the V8 engine and Land Rover electronics. :D

[Rage Over]

Wow. Yes, I've never really seen such 'bashing' on here before now. :eek:

I think you'll find most people here very patient, I wouldn't worry about it. I think some people might be just misinterpreting your frustration as being ungrateful.

I understand how complex these vehicles seem and I applaud you for trying to solve them yourself rather than just dumping the problem on a paid mechanic.

As some others have said, just hang in there and be patient with us and we'll be patient with you. I tend to make the mistake of assuming people have the technical knowledge I do, and I'm sure others do too.

RAVE is great, but it also assumes some basic knowledge and I can understand it's easier to just ask. The admins and regulars might hate me for saying it but I personally don't mind. The search function's a joke (as many will agree) and sometimes information is buried in an ancient post that should be covered properly anew anyway.

It would be worthwhile seeing if someone's close by who could help you in person. A lot of people here would be willing to help, I'm sure.

[TheTree]

The internet can be a snake pit.

EG: There is a certain P38 BookFace group which if you joined and said you were on coils, you would be booted instantly.

This forum is like a gentlemans club in comparison to many:cool:

Steve