Man to be jailed for fitting locked diff...

[isuzurover]

I bet this will make all the hoons out there with minispools or CIG lockers thing twice:

Father pleads guilty over son's death in crash involving illegally modified car - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-17/man-pleads-guilty-over-son27s-death-in-modified-car/5529614)


The court was told Newman paid $200 for modifications to the second-hand car, which prosecutor Adam Hills-Wright said "made it unsuitable for road use, rendered it unroadworthy and dangerous to drive in certain circumstances".

The court heard he fitted a mini-spool, which stop the wheels spinning independently.

Mr Hills-Wright said the modification was "more commonly associated with motorsport" and made one of the wheels "slip or skid on the road surface contributing to the instability of the car".

Or then again maybe not?

[ADMIRAL]

I bet this will make all the hoons out there with minispools or CIG lockers thing twice:

Father pleads guilty over son's death in crash involving illegally modified car - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-17/man-pleads-guilty-over-son27s-death-in-modified-car/5529614)



Or then again maybe not? Not I think. My experience with the owners who install mini spools in road cars, has shown me two things. They have no mechanical empathy, and half a brain.

[Gary S11]

The thing is though, if I dropped my wife'sVY SS comodore back from 3 rd to second as he did,and boot it "asumung I had the traction control turned off" the factory LSD would lock up and behave just like his spool. It really came down to his driving ability or driving for the conditions more than what the spool would do ..my past cars with Detroit lockers in the rear would also behave just the same...it's so sad he has to live with the death of his son

[Vern]

I've always found mini spools horrible to drive in a road car, completely different to an LSD.

[digger]

For what reason would you do this to your car?

only one I can think of...


This man isnt going to jail for just fitting a $200 modification,

he is headed to jail for modifying a car,(making it worse) then driving it at such a speed and in such a manner that he lost control and virtually murdered his son.

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[nismine01]

Who among us has not modified their vehicle in some way, I modified mine, an old Datsun Bluebird, Datsun 1600 motor and gearbox, welded front disc caliper mounts then rallied it.

Digger got it right saying

he is headed to jail for modifying a car,(making it worse) then driving it at such a speed and in such a manner that he lost control and virtually murdered his son.
Man slaughter actually, maybe I just got lucky many years ago.:angel::angel:

Mike

[460cixy]

Have driven thousands of Kilometers in sedans with rear ends locked solid and even a range rover at one stage treated with a little respect there fine and more predicable then a Detroit

[isuzurover]

I've always found mini spools horrible to drive in a road car, completely different to an LSD.

x2 Also completely different to a detroit/autolocker IME.


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he is headed to jail for modifying a car,(making it worse) then driving it at such a speed and in such a manner that he lost control and virtually murdered his son.



Yes of course, however if you look back at the original accident witness reports from cars driving behind it says the car was driving normally along a straight road then suddenly started driving erratically and hit a tree. It sounds as if the accident likely wouldn't have occurred if the minispool had not been fitted, and the court ruling and media reports seem to have identified that too.

[PAT303]

I find the whole thing a joke,cars are sold in Australia from new that aren't roadworthy so how is that any different to modifying them?. Pat

[isuzurover]

...cars are sold in Australia from new that aren't roadworthy ???

Which ones would they be PAT?

If you mean the Geely they are legal and roadworthy in WA, which is the only place they can be sold.

[clubagreenie]

x2 Also completely different to a detroit/autolocker IME.



Yes of course, however if you look back at the original accident witness reports from cars driving behind it says the car was driving normally along a straight road then suddenly started driving erratically and hit a tree. It sounds as if the accident likely wouldn't have occurred if the minispool had not been fitted, and the court ruling and media reports seem to have identified that too.

Well the "spool" makes both wheel turn at the same speed. Driving straight should not be affected. Unless there was a failure of the spool and it allowed one wheel to be turned and the other to freewheel, causing the car to turn with the drive of one wheel. It sounds like he was showing off to someone or the kid and not working out that bad things will happen since there was undoubtedly not enough rubber to keep traction with the balanced wheel speed and possibly a gas axe lowering system also fitted making it more unstable.

Either way, his actions, in combination with one another, any one point more often than not while having some input into an incident won't lead to the catastrophic failure seen here.

[Judo]

I had to google minispool and there were a few people saying don't bother with a kit, just weld the axles together in the diff.

whaaaaaat? :eek:

[460cixy]

I had to google minispool and there were a few people saying don't bother with a kit, just weld the axles together in the diff.

whaaaaaat? :eek:

Been there done that only weld the side gears to each other not to the hemisphere

[isuzurover]

I had to google minispool and there were a few people saying don't bother with a kit, just weld the axles together in the diff.

whaaaaaat? :eek:

Called a CIG locker and also well known in the 4x4 community. You don't weld the axles together, you weld the sun and spider gears together in the diff centre.

Here is one on a rover salisbury:
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee307/kitimatdude/HPIM0648.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/07/24.jpg

And a rover diff:
http://www.offroadexpress.co.nz/sites/www.offroadexpress.co.nz/files/weldedDiff.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/07/25.jpg

This should of course be a rear-only and offroad only modification, however I have heard of people who have welded the front in PT 4x4 vehicles then driven around with one FWH unlocked until they need to "activate" the front locker by locking the other hub.

[Judo]

I love it. Haha

[rovercare]

Driven normally on the road they prove no issue aside from low speed tight turning stuff, they are a bit skittier than even the tightest LSD on the road when you overcome traction though and if you got worn rubbers in your rear end you'll notice that a lot more....I can't even count the amount of centres I've welded for myself and others

So old mate stood on it, couldn't wheel aswell as he thought and now has a dead kid.....that's a punishment already far worse than the crime of stupidity he committed

But to the point, you can't blame the diff....or lack therof, he is solely at fault

[PAT303]

Which ones would they be PAT?

If you mean the Geely they are legal and roadworthy in WA, which is the only place they can be sold.

The 200 series goes over it's weight limit with 6 people on board even though it's registered to carry 8,it can't pass the emergency brake test when empty,the troopy can't pass any current roadworthy dynamic tests.Thats two.I wouldn't knock the Chinese vehicles,Great Walls are very common in the Pilbara and are replacing many of the established brands. Pat

[clubagreenie]

To reduce the amount of weld required hard face one side of the side gear and the lever back against the weld and do the other side. Then build up the facing, then weld solid. That way you aren't relying on the weld to hold it but the hard facing jambs it.

If it breaks it'll break the side out of the centre but there's a chance of that and worse anyway.

I have seen a guy make a one piece axle, splined across the centre.

[Bigbjorn]

I have seen a guy make a one piece axle, splined across the centre.

Speedway rear axles are a one piece axle with the crown wheel bolted to a centre flange.