Super rugby, NSW 33, Crusaders 32. Oh, what a pity.

[bob10]

NSW given the title, by the transgression of the worlds greatest cheat. Poetic justice. Ritchie must be getting old, like the rest of the All Blacks. Bob

[Saitch]

NSW given the title, by the transgression of the worlds greatest cheat. Poetic justice. Ritchie must be getting old, like the rest of the All Blacks. Bob
BIL & I were discussing Ritchies "playing style" last weekend & we agreed that if he didn't play Rugby he'd by playing soccer for Italy:D

[bob10]

Andrew Merhtens has been credited with coaching Foley to kick long distance. Foley played well, Israel caught the high bombs, Hooper was everywhere, Potgeiger added the starch, all in all, a good game of rugby. Crusaders played tough, if Ritchie hadn't been tempted, they would have won. Bob

[disco man]

NSW given the title, by the transgression of the worlds greatest cheat. Poetic justice. Ritchie must be getting old, like the rest of the All Blacks. Bob

Cheat? getting old? Firstly cheat is a load of **** and secondly tell me who is a better number 8 in world rugby.

How many times have Australian teams won the title since the comp started? no-where near as many times as Kiwi teams.As for saying the rest of the All blacks are getting old,you can believe that all you want,but i bet when Australia loses the Bledisloe again to a team of old farts the first thing you will say is Ritchie cheated.

It amazes me how often Australian teams and supporters have a whinge about the so-called cheating of Ritchie. Yet if you follow world rugby closely the Australian's are the team that cries the most about it.

The franchise with the highest paid player in Aussie rugby and with more Wallabies than any other team finally wins after years of hype,lets see them build a record like Canterbury have.

[Redback]

Why can't you see it as a good game of Rugby:confused: maybe you should follow Rugby League, there a bunch of whingers.

Baz.

[bob10]

Rugby League is a great game, I played & I follow League, same as I played & follow Union. Doesn't change the fact that if Ritchie hadn't cheated, Crusaders would have won the game. Or should I say, hadn't got caught. My guess is , Ritchie thought the NSW kicker, Foley, didn't have the ability to kick the distance, so he cynically committed the deed. Little did he know, Andrew Merhtens had coached Foley to kick the distance.


A story told to me by a mate who played for Qld University some years back, was his mate went to NZ with the Qld side. He played hooker. Long story short, he was told by an All Black hooker, " you're a good hooker, but you wont be a great one, until you learn how to cheat". It's a fact of life. That's why the scrum is called the " dark art" BTW, accusing Ritchie of cheating, doesn't mean he is not respected. The outcry sounds very much like panic, to me. We will see. Bob ;)

From the Yorkshire Carnegie, 2009

" The Dark Art "

Most people associate Defence against the Dark Arts with Harry Potter
and co and the teachings at Hogwarts, but to others this has been around long before Professors Snape, Quilly and Lockhart. The real Dark Arts are only known by a select few rugby players.
These players - never usually the most handsome, articulate, or widely praised for their scholastic abilities - are more famous for
the eating and drinking abiliites (inclduing aftershave). They are a certain breed that play in the front row, and not many young players have ambitions to play
this position; they are usually selected for the front row by coaches, seeing someone who is maybe a bit chunky and a little slow, or as they get older they are not tall enough (to continue) to play in the 2nd row, nor are quick enough to play in the backrow.
But once selected to join exclusive club for ever more you will be a lifetime member. It is a tight knit members club with stringent rules on secrecy. Anyone even daring to think of passing on these secrets can be excommunicated (which is NOT a pleasant ceremony!)
So by doing this I am for ever risking excommunication, and a life time ban from this club - so, dear reader, value this information I pass on to you.





Tighthead v Loosehead

So where to begin ? why not the difference between a Loosehead and a
Tighthead, as most props who post (like me) get a little agrieved when
props are selected out of place i.e Mike MacDonald at Tighthead or Adam
Jones at Loosehead.

The loosehead's (normally wearing shirt #1), main job is to hold up the scrum on their own put in, they look to keep the scrum up so the hooker can get a clear strike on the ball. Ideally the loosehead will be the taller of the props (I
know in some teams this is not the case), when packing down the
loosehead's left shoulder is on the outside so looseheads ideally have
great strength in the left side as they need to keep the scrum up as
well as great strength in the necks. On opposition ball the Loosehead
will try to disrupt the opposing tighthead by getting under him and
driving up or backwards. The loosehead will always try to get his head
under his opponents breast plate as from here he 'pops' the prop up, or
if the tighthead ties to drop the scrum he will be in a lot of
discomfort as all the loosehead's strength is pushing up hard (to get an idea what it feels like hold a ball close to your stomach and pull in hard)

The tighthead's (#3) main job on their own put in is to lock the scrum in
place as when a push comes on in the scrum all the weight is transfered
through the tighthead. In some scrums this can nearly equate to 2 tons of
weight being transfered through their body. Ideally the tighthead is a
little shorter and more squat than the loosehead and they need a lot of
strength in the necks, shoulders and backs. However, it is on the
opposing put-in where the Tighthead comes into play as its the
Tighthead job to disrupt the opposing scrum to drive lower, disrupt and
generally be a nuisance and they can do this in a number of ways.
There are far too many ways to note here but I will note some of my
favourites:
When binding to your own hooker the tighthead will turn
slightly; he may drop his left leg back a little and bring his right leg
forward by doing this his right shoulder is further forward and his left
shoulder back. When engaging the tighthead is looking to 'bore' across
the hooker and will try to stick his his head into the oppsing Hookers
face and will try to get his right shoulder over as well. By doing this
the tighthead is trying to jam the hooker and make it difficult to
either raise his leg to strike the ball or get a clean view of the ball
coming in, as the Tighthead's head/face will be blocking his view, also
by doing this he is splitting the looshead and hooker apart which will
disrupt the scrum.

There is not enough room to note all "dirty tricks" but a few of the old
school include grabbing an armful of hair (not head hair pulling) but
the hair under the armpit! This is quite a sensitive area and when you
grab a handful or have a handful grabbed it can be quite painful.

Lovehandles - much like the above; grab a handful as you pack down even
Props sound like Big Girls when you grab a handful of wobbly flesh.

Ralgex - whilst most rugby players librally spray ralgex or Deep Heat on the legs to keep warm some props have been known to spray Ralgex on their playing shirts so when they pack down the opposing prop gets a face full of
burning chemical. This can be quite off-putting as it does make your eyes water! (If you can't get hold of Ralgex or Deep Heat, Vapor-Rub has much the same effect!)

Onions & garlic - no, not an imaginative prop-orented recipe but if you chew raw onions or garlic it will give you an unpleasant breath and a quick exhale can have a similar effect as above. (Of course the down side is your own team avoids you as well!)

[AndyG]

So cheating is good:o, and sportsmanship is too hard to spell:wasntme:

[bob10]

So cheating is good:o, and sportsmanship is too hard to spell:wasntme:


It's only cheating if you get caught. Bit like paying 457 visa workers $2 an hour. Or cheating on your tax, or not paying award wages, etc ad finitum....


All part of the game , really. That's why we have referees, god bless them, Bob
:cool:

[disco man]

The outcry is not a panic in anyway,i feel very confident in the All blacks ability to win the Bledisloe and the rugby championship no panic in this camp at all.Your description of the dark arts was very good Bob.

[AndyG]

I suppose it like social golf, everyone cheats equally, sort of, if they are not watching:angel:

Bugger no bite,:)

[disco man]

Some people with short memories forget Kearns,Waugh,Kefu,Smith, all were masters at bending the rules.Guess as long as you wear a yellow jersey instead of a black one it's all good.

[Saitch]

Some people with short memories forget Kearns,Waugh,Kefu,Smith, all were masters at bending the rules.Guess as long as you wear a yellow jersey instead of a black one it's all good.
Good as Gold mate, good as Gold:D

[disco man]

Good as Gold mate, good as Gold:D

Ha Ha nice one you cheeky bugger good stuff:Rolling::

[bob10]

The outcry is not a panic in anyway,i feel very confident in the All blacks ability to win the Bledisloe and the rugby championship no panic in this camp at all.Your description of the dark arts was very good Bob.


You're right mate, nothing to worry about , and you & your mates are not panicking. Yet. BTW, how many All Blacks in the Crusaders team? Poor old [ really old] Carter, how much recovery time do you think he will need? Feel sorry for the old begger, Bob
:D

[bob10]

Some people with short memories forget Kearns,Waugh,Kefu,Smith, all were masters at bending the rules.Guess as long as you wear a yellow jersey instead of a black one it's all good.


You are not paying attention, young fellow. It's only cheating if you get caught. Ritchie has passed his use by date, the refs aren't intimidated by him any more, actually, the Poms are, but they are frightened of their own shadow. And it is Gold, the colour of the jersey. Like the medals NZ did not win in the games. Bob [ I love Bledisloe time, BRING IT ON!]
:tease:

[Saitch]

Ha Ha nice one you cheeky bugger good stuff:Rolling::
Thanks DM, gotta keep things light hey!
Steve

[Hastykiwi]

NSW given the title, by the transgression of the worlds greatest cheat. Poetic justice. Ritchie must be getting old, like the rest of the All Blacks. Bob

You're all class Bob. I suppose at least its an original thought from you, instead of just reposting some news article.

[bob10]

Classy Bob. I suppose at least its an original thought from you, instead of just reposting some news article.






Ah, Moriarty, we meet again. I see your thought patterns haven't changed. Much like the All Blacks game plan. Trouble is, it's a young mans game. A thinking mans game. Probably leaves you out, old fruit. All the best, Bob

[disco man]

You are not paying attention, young fellow. It's only cheating if you get caught. Ritchie has passed his use by date, the refs aren't intimidated by him any more, actually, the Poms are, but they are frightened of their own shadow. And it is Gold, the colour of the jersey. Like the medals NZ did not win in the games. Bob [ I love Bledisloe time, BRING IT ON!]
:tease:

Yes Bledisloe is a good time of year,But in all seriousness i think New Zealand's effort at the commonwealth games has been very good for a small nation and limited funding,and i won't be in a panic anytime soon i don't see any reason to panic.

Yes carter is getting on but Cruden is a very good replacement,and to be honest i can't see any reason why the Wallabies have the edge on the All Blacks,Tight 5? hell no,Scrums? not at all,Line outs? maybe,set piece? not there either,attacking halves? not likely,speed at the breakdown? don't think so,Mr Falou in open space does make nervous though.

I also doubt the Wallabies have the fire power to match the spring boks,but the Wallabies are building towards being back to where past Wallaby teams were great and that was running rugby.Once all the crap from the Deans era has washed away they will be a threat again.But not this year:p

[bob10]

Yes Bledisloe is a good time of year,But in all seriousness i think New Zealand's effort at the commonwealth games has been very good for a small nation and limited funding,and i won't be in a panic anytime soon i don't see any reason to panic.

Yes carter is getting on but Cruden is a very good replacement,and to be honest i can't see any reason why the Wallabies have the edge on the All Blacks,Tight 5? hell no,Scrums? not at all,Line outs? maybe,set piece? not there either,attacking halves? not likely,speed at the breakdown? don't think so,Mr Falou in open space does make nervous though.

I also doubt the Wallabies have the fire power to match the spring boks,but the Wallabies are building towards being back to where past Wallaby teams were great and that was running rugby.Once all the crap from the Deans era has washed away they will be a threat again.But not this year:p


Set piece? Yes. Lineouts, don't be complacent, you will be mistaken. Tight 5? be prepared to be surprised. The only difference between the Wallabies & All Blacks lately has been belief. & Deans. Running rugby? the best backlines in the World were the French. They wrote the play book. Australia read it. We now have a defensive 5/8, 12 & 13, Fullback who can diffuse the kick, wingers who can play across the field. And , more importantly, we now have depth. And belief. The crap from Deans has gone. Not saying they will beat either the Springboks or All Blacks. Just yet. But, don't be complacent. And, the people are behind the Wallabies. [ note, the flag is RED, for next year, Bob


Les Mis "Do You Hear The People Sing" - YouTube

[Hastykiwi]

Ah, Moriarty, we meet again. I see your thought patterns haven't changed. Much like the All Blacks game plan. Trouble is, it's a young mans game. A thinking mans game. Probably leaves you out, old fruit. All the best, Bob

This confused rambling is your best comeback? Go back to the newspapers.

[bob10]

The outcry is not a panic in anyway,i feel very confident in the All blacks ability to win the Bledisloe and the rugby championship no panic in this camp at all.Your description of the dark arts was very good Bob.


Good for you, we have to back our teams. That was a very small introduction to the dark art. Is it any wonder Referees have trouble adjudicating, and why certain teams have made intimidating the Ref part of the game plan. The All Blacks have about 15 captains, for example. Check this out, Bob


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[bob10]

This confused rambling is your best comeback? Go back to the newspapers.


Luv ya Hasty, everyone needs a mad Uncle, Bob
:p

[bob10]

Wrap up, Bob


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