Motorcycle "L" plates in Qld!

[mick88]

My cousins 18 yo lad and his mate who are both on "L" plates in Victoria set off for a ride to Brisbane to catch up with a mate. On their return they were still in Qld and about forty kilometres from the NSW border when they were pulled up by the police. Apparently in Qld a motorcycle learner must be accompanied by a rider that holds a full licence! The outcome being a $180 fine each, loss of four demerit points, then to avoid another blister they had hire a flat top for $200 to take their bikes to the NSW border.

Cheers, Mick.

[bob10]

My cousins 18 yo lad and his mate who are both on "L" plates in Victoria set off for a ride to Brisbane to catch up with a mate. On their return they were still in Qld and about forty kilometres from the NSW border when they were pulled up by the police. Apparently in Qld a motorcycle learner must be accompanied by a rider that holds a full licence! The outcome being a $180 fine each, loss of four demerit points, then to avoid another blister they had hire a flat top for $200 to take their bikes to the NSW border.

Cheers, Mick.


Yep, that's the law. It's the same as a Learner driver must have a licenced driver beside them. Makes sense, it would be foolish to do otherwise. Bob

[101RRS]

Yep, that's the law. It's the same as a Learner driver must have a licenced driver beside them. Makes sense, it would be foolish to do otherwise. Bob

Only in Qld - still behind the rest of the country.

In most jurisdications once you can prove you can ride the bike and proof you know the road rules you can be on your one - has worked that way in most places for at least 40 years.

I got my bike learners back in 1974 and did not need an accompanying rider.

[noyakfat]

and proof you know the road rules

Sadly, the lack of this very knowledge is evident in sooooo many licensed drivers and riders every single day of the year…

Hmmm, perhaps it is more often that they just choose to ignore the rules.

Not judging the young blokes mentioned in OP, just a general observation of many road users.

[Bytemrk]

It would obviouly be far too simple to have one national set of transport laws.. :angel:


Yeh yeh... I still want to believe in the tooth fairy too....:p

[AnD3rew]

Having moved from QLD to NSW I was amazed to see L plate drivers riding on their own. It doesn't make sense, there is point in having an L plate system if you aren't being supervised during it.

[singlecell]

Having moved from QLD to NSW I was amazed to see L plate drivers riding on their own. It doesn't make sense, there is point in having an L plate system if you aren't being supervised during it.

Because to get your bike Ls you need to have been driving on the road for a couple of years already. So you know how to follow the rules.

[TonyC]

Mick,
I would look into whether this is a a requirement/restriction on the QLD learner's permit or a QLD road law.
If it is the former then then it should not apply to a Vic permit holder.

Though it may still cost more to contest it in court than just pay up.

Tony

[1999td5]

WA is the same. L pate driver/rider needs to be supervised, by licensed driver/instructor.

Learner permit from other state is NOT Valid in WA. They would have to get a valid learner permit to ride bike here. Then needs to ride with a licensed rider.

If they got pulled up here they would be unlicensed riders, or out of class!

Graeme

[gusthedog]

How the hell can a fully licensed rider riding beside an L plater do anything to prevent an L plater crashing? What a ridiculous law.

[Tote]

In 35 years of driving / riding this is the first time I have ever heard of this rule. It's a bit rough to expect someone from two states away to research whether the licence that got them the 1000KM to the border would allow them to ride on the other side of it......
Maybe Queensland needs to have red flags and men walking in front of those horseless carriages as well.

Regards,
Tote

[Pedro_The_Swift]

maybe WA needs them too then;)

Most people adhere to interstate speed limits, why not the rest of the road rules??

[101RRS]

In fact thinking about this a little more - if I remember correctly in NSW 40 years ago, if you had a full car licence when you did your bike learner test you just went straight onto a full bike licence.

I can remember riding my Honda SL125 and no having L plates when I got it in 1974.

Garry

[Aaron IIA]

Because to get your bike Ls you need to have been driving on the road for a couple of years already. So you know how to follow the rules.

Are you suggesting that to apply for a motorcycle learners permit you must already have a car licence?
Aaron

[Pedro_The_Swift]

yep, 1980, rode one of these registered straight off the showroom floor
no training, no L's
http://www.ddr.net.au/files/images/USA%20324%20Yamaha%20IT125G%201980%20015.JPG
dealer wasnt the least concerned I could only touch the ground with my alpine stars on:lol2:

[Aaron IIA]

My father told me that when he got his motorcycle licence, all he had to do was get another rider to say that they had seen him ride competantly in the previous year. Apparently he and his brother vouched for each other.
Aaron

[VladTepes]

Is it the law? Yep.

Is it a stupid law, especially as applied to people obeying the rules as they know them? Yep.

Is it a law SO stupid that it should be treated with the contempt it deserves and ignored? That's for you to decide.

[sheerluck]

In 35 years of driving / riding this is the first time I have ever heard of this rule. It's a bit rough to expect someone from two states away to research whether the licence that got them the 1000KM to the border would allow them to ride on the other side of it......
Maybe Queensland needs to have red flags and men walking in front of those horseless carriages as well.

Regards,
Tote

I don't think it's rough at all. We all know that traffic laws are not uniform between States, as much as it would be nice. Until we reach such utopia, we have to consciously research what the differences are between where we live, and where we want to drive/ride to.

An expensive lesson to learn, I feel.

And the only way to make a change is to lobby yourFederal MP. Make them realise that how much the varying laws between states hurts.

[sheerluck]

In fact thinking about this a little more - if I remember correctly in NSW 40 years ago, if you had a full car licence when you did your bike learner test you just went straight onto a full bike licence.

I can remember riding my Honda SL125 and no having L plates when I got it in 1974.

Garry

It was the same on the UK up until the early 90s. I have a full bike license, having spent almost 15 minutes in total on a motorbike.

[Bigbjorn]

How the hell can a fully licensed rider riding beside an L plater do anything to prevent an L plater crashing? What a ridiculous law.

The experienced rider can note what the learner is doing wrong and then give instructions as to correct mode of operation. I don't hold much with bureaucratic bull**** but I do think that learner drivers/riders should be accompanied by a competent instructor. Do you seriously think it is OK to just send a 16y.o. out on the road unaccompanied to learn by trial and error?

[bob10]

Only in Qld - still behind the rest of the country.

In most jurisdications once you can prove you can ride the bike and proof you know the road rules you can be on your one - has worked that way in most places for at least 40 years.

I got my bike learners back in 1974 and did not need an accompanying rider.


Doesn't mean you know how to ride a bike. Matter of fact, most who get their licence that way are dangerous. And do not have a clue. I had to do an advanced riders course, then qualify every two years, whilst riding for the Post Office. On the advanced course, run by ex police , & one retired professional racer, even though we were licenced, we were accompanied on the road ride. Then, back at the classroom, the instructor pointed out the bad habits we had picked up in the last two years.


Any one , in this day & age, who would allow their Son, or Daughter, to take to the road on a motorbike, without proper instruction, and, indeed, without what I believe is essential, an advanced course that teaches you things such as emergency stops, amongst other lifesaving instruction, is a fool. I suggest, Garrycol, where you are is still in the dark ages. Sorry, but I rode a Postie bike for almost 25 years, and I know how dangerous it can be. Put even a 250cc bike in the hands of a learner, with no formal safety training, is insanity. Bob

[Tote]

Except that they don't send inexperienced riders out to learn by trial and error ( these days in NSW ) to get your L plates on a bike you need to do two 3.5 hour courses both theory and practical that test your capability on a bike with bikes supplied by the testing centre. To get your P plates you have to do another full day course with a practical test. SWMBO got her bike licence some years ago and the course was excellent, far better than the test I did riding round the block on a mate's bike.
A much better proposition than a learner killing two people whilst under "instruction".

I'd even go as far to say that they should do the same with car licences.

Regards,
Tote

[crash]

The experienced rider can note what the learner is doing wrong and then give instructions as to correct mode of operation. I don't hold much with bureaucratic bull**** but I do think that learner drivers/riders should be accompanied by a competent instructor. Do you seriously think it is OK to just send a 16y.o. out on the road unaccompanied to learn by trial and error?
Unfortunately that were the rules 30years ago in Northamerica when I got my bike learners. Pass the written test go get what ever bike you wanted - restrictions were: no pillions, no riding after dark and you were not allowed to ride on any roads with a speed rating of >90km / hr.

[V8Ian]

If you can ride unaccompanied on a Learners', why bother getting a licence?

[crash]

Except that they don't send inexperienced riders out to learn by trial and error ( these days in NSW ) to get your L plates on a bike you need to do two 3.5 hour courses both theory and practical that test your capability on a bike with bikes supplied by the testing centre. To get your P plates you have to do another full day course with a practical test. SWMBO got her bike licence some years ago and the course was excellent, far better than the test I did riding round the block on a mate's bike.
A much better proposition than a learner killing two people whilst under "instruction".

I'd even go as far to say that they should do the same with car licences.

Regards,
Tote
The same is in Vic. Even though I had an overseas licence I still had to go through the onsite training. I only had to do the P plate part though which was over a couple of weekends.

[Tote]

If you can ride unaccompanied on a Learners', why bother getting a licence?

Because you can only do 90KM/H and you have to redo the knowledge test and practical training every 12 months, otherwise there is no reason you can't just like some people never go off their ls on a car licence.

Regards,
Tote

[1999td5]

Now days we talk to them.
Intercoms are great.
Just like teaching your kid to drive in the car.

[1999td5]

NSW. do a 2 day course get your bike license and never driven on the road with traffic???? is that sensible??

yes you can get your bike license as your first licence.

No I would NOT send my kid out on the road without training.

Even on this site there is discussion regarding road rage 'maniac driver'. As a bike rider I feel very vulnerable with idiots like this.

Graeme

[rangieman]

Many years ago 36 in fact my self and a mate caught a train into melb sat my bike learners and got it . Then caught the train back to Dandenong walked across the street to Paul Lee`s motor cycles and bought a second hand xs7 Yamaha 250 predecessor to the RD at the the time also bought a helmet , It was winter pouring rain and peak hour traffic , Im still here still ride a bike .
In saying this i did have some riding experience only off road which was totaly different once to on road .
Good old dad`s advice was treat every other driver as if they are out to get you i still drive and ride with that advice in mind and have told many a young driver and rider the same advice ;)

[1999td5]

Jump on the average modern motorcycle brand new out of the show room today.

A little different than 36 years ago.

Good old classic motorcycles.

My last propper bike 175 HP
Speed shift.
120kph in first gear. another 5 to play with :D
lets get the f......k out of here. Smillliiinnnnggg yet????:cool:

STANDARD OFF THE SHOW ROOM FLOOR!

So rangie does that make you one of the sensible guys or one of the lucky ones to have survived??

[JDNSW]

maybe WA needs them too then;)

Most people adhere to interstate speed limits, why not the rest of the road rules??

Speed limits are signposted, and state limits are usually prominently posted just across borders.

But this is not a unique situation - for example, up until about 15 years ago, NSW had a speed limit of 80kph on trailers over 750kg - a real money spinner from interstate visitors! From talking to RTA people back then, there was some consideration given to putting warning signs at border crossings, but as far as I know it was never done.

John

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Not just bikes, but there are so many bad fully licenced riders and drivers out there anyone supervising a learner should be assessed as competent.

Was driving along Bolong Road towards Shoalhaven Heads and came up behind a L plate car doing about 90KPH. I could see the person in the passenger seat open a 2 litre bottle of Coke, they took a swig and then handed it the the driver (presumably a learner.)
Was on Putty Road at Colo Heights 3 weekends ago, a car with L plates came around the bend where it merges from 2 to 1 lane, it pulls over to the left and then does a U turn across double unbroken lines. This is the same road that the motorbike groups come for high speed runs around the curves and hills.
Coming along a local street, a professional Driving School with student in the drivers position turns into the street I'm about to exit straddling the double lines and almost head-ons me.
This is only the last few weeks.

If they can't obey the rules under instruction then what's the hope of having safe drivers obeying the rules when they are on their Ps and fully licenced.

[1999td5]

Ok. To add to this we the get the foreign drivers that come here, drive the cars, try to covert there over seas license to Australian license. They FAIL the PDA and drive off because they have OS license.

This makes me feel safe NOT.

[TonyC]

How the hell can a fully licensed rider riding beside an L plater do anything to prevent an L plater crashing? What a ridiculous law.

I'm not convinced a supervising driver in a car could do much to prevent many accidents.

An accompanying rider could assist with advice during and after the ride, and also temper some of the stupid impulsive things young males in particular are apt to do.

In W.A. the supervising rider can be pillion with the learner.

Having managed to survive Ls and Ps I think I'll give that a miss.

I wonder what the crash stats show for QLD./W.A. compared to the rest of the country.


Tony

[V8Ian]

I'm not convinced a supervising driver in a car could do much to prevent many accidents.

An accompanying rider could assist with advice during and after the ride, and also temper some of the stupid impulsive things young males in particular are apt to do.

In W.A. the supervising rider can be pillion with the learner.

Having managed to survive Ls and Ps I think I'll give that a miss.

I wonder what the crash stats show for QLD./W.A. compared to the rest of the country.


Tony
In Queensland a pillion supervisor has to have held a licence for two years, one year if riding a separate bike.

[TonyC]

In Queensland a pillion supervisor has to have held a licence for two years, one year if riding a separate bike.

So a P plater supervising a L plater?
In Vic a supervising driver must hold a full license, so must have had a licence for at least 4 years.

Tony

[rangieman]

Jump on the average modern motorcycle brand new out of the show room today.

A little different than 36 years ago.

Good old classic motorcycles.

My last propper bike 175 HP
Speed shift.
120kph in first gear. another 5 to play with :D
lets get the f......k out of here. Smillliiinnnnggg yet????:cool:

STANDARD OFF THE SHOW ROOM FLOOR!

So rangie does that make you one of the sensible guys or one of the lucky ones to have survived??
Id like to think both :burnrubber:,
I have ridden and owned a few powerfull bikes done and survived some stupid things never had a accident with a car their or my fault:cool:
Yes my old Fj 1200 110 in 1st hit second and your on one wheel:banana:and that was a heavy bike.
Honestly all this crap about would you send your teenager out there alone is just crap kids will do what they want to .
End of the day if the instructor or parent has done their job right in teaching said young one thats all you can hope for .
Once they are out there by them selves as we all know and majority of us have done it push the limits It just screams of some of the dumb ohs laws , What ever happened to common sence:angel:

[1999td5]

In WA the supervising rider can ride a separate bike or be a pillion passenger and have held that class of licence for a minimum of 3 years.

Would I get on the back of a bike with someone that has NO experience?? NOPE.

Up until last couple of years WA had one of the best accident records out of any of the states regarding motorcycle fatalities in Australia. First licence was up to and including 250cc motorcycle. hold the licence for 12 months before being eligible to upgrade there licence again (another PDA)

WA just came inline with the rest of Australia with the LAMS (Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme).

Meaning that we now allowed to ride upto 650cc motorcycle. With power to weight exclusions. (150KW per tonne). Excluding bikes like the Honda cbr600 and the Yamaha R6.

[1999td5]

Rangie

cool :cool: honest too.

Most of us have done the Dumb things.

the vehicles now do it ALOT faster.:twisted:

[rangieman]

1980 after having L plate`s for 12 months i went for my bike p`s at the cop shop the copper says do you know where the train station is , I say yeah he says go there do a u turn and come back .
I did what was asked watched my mirrors the whole way no one followed me i returned to the cop shop payed $30.00 and off i went :D

[rangieman]

Rangie

cool :cool: honest too.

Most of us have done the Dumb things.

the vehicles now do it ALOT faster.:twisted:

Current bike 01 Triumph 955i:angel:

[1999td5]

Yep
My current bike Honda NC700s (City commute) Honda's so called fuel efficient bike.
Suzuki DRZ400e road trail.

These bikes sort of slowed me down a bit.

[V8Ian]

So a P plater supervising a L plater?
In Vic a supervising driver must hold a full license, so must have had a licence for at least 4 years.

TonyI should have quantified 'open licence', sorry.

[Bigbjorn]

Nowadays to get a motor cycle learner's permit in Qld. one has to have held a car licence for two years.

[gusthedog]

The experienced rider can note what the learner is doing wrong and then give instructions as to correct mode of operation. I don't hold much with bureaucratic bull**** but I do think that learner drivers/riders should be accompanied by a competent instructor. Do you seriously think it is OK to just send a 16y.o. out on the road unaccompanied to learn by trial and error?

No I wouldn't send a 16 year old out. In Vic to do your L plate is a full weekend and you have to be 18. Old enough to die in the military and drink, old enough to ride a motorcycle. If you pass and are still not comfortable on the road by yourself do more rider training. Training from a licenced provider is the key. Not listening to some dickhead who may have survived riding for 20 years on pure luck. Listening to other riders who are not trainers is a great way to pick up terrible habits that could kill you. In my experience of riding for over 20 years, the only people I have ever learnt good skills off are either those that constantly train or trainers. Most motorcyclists have bad habits that proper training helps break. No training = no idea.

And if young blokes want to be stupid and ride powerful bikes without proper skills or restraint, I call that natural selection. A least if you crash on a bike on your L's or P's you can generally only kill yourself. Cars cause a whole lot more carnage.

[1999td5]

Go Figure

The 16yo kid can go and pass a pda and the ride a 50cc moped legally by himself. (first licence)

The 17yo can get a motorcycle licence. If it is there first licence they then need to do there supervised hours(same as a novice CAR driver). ie ride whilst being supervised. ride with someone

[rangieman]

No I wouldn't send a 16 year old out. In Vic to do your L plate is a full weekend and you have to be 18. Old enough to die in the military and drink, old enough to ride a motorcycle. If you pass and are still not comfortable on the road by yourself do more rider training. Training from a licenced provider is the key. Not listening to some dickhead who may have survived riding for 20 years on pure luck. Listening to other riders who are not trainers is a great way to pick up terrible habits that could kill you. In my experience of riding for over 20 years, the only people I have ever learnt good skills off are either those that constantly train or trainers. Most motorcyclists have bad habits that proper training helps break. No training = no idea.

And if young blokes want to be stupid and ride powerful bikes without proper skills or restraint, I call that natural selection. A least if you crash on a bike on your L's or P's you can generally only kill yourself. Cars cause a whole lot more carnage.

Your opinion i have totaly different veiws :cool: Not trying to start a **** fight and ive been riding for a long time .
I have learnt and gained alot from other experienced riders inc my now gone dad not trainers and ive never been trained .
Experience on road by your self is as important as any advice in my opinion;)

[THE BOOGER]

In fact thinking about this a little more - if I remember correctly in NSW 40 years ago, if you had a full car licence when you did your bike learner test you just went straight onto a full bike licence.

I can remember riding my Honda SL125 and no having L plates when I got it in 1974.

Garry

yep that's the way it was........ back in 79 when I got my bike lic straight to a full lic same lic number as my drivers lic:)

[1999td5]

Yep

You have 1 driver licence number.
You get different classes of vehicles against your licence number.

If you are on probationary car licence and add a bike license they you ride and drive as a probationary driver.

If you have a full license and add a bike to your existing licence you just ride your bike.

[Mocky]

17 years old, first bike Z1B 900 Kawasaki.
Still here 39 years later.
I don't see what all the fuss is about.

Mocky

[mick88]

In Queensland a pillion supervisor has to have held a licence for two years, one year if riding a separate bike.


A pillion on the back of an "L" Plater.....not for me! I am very selective who I get on the back of a motorcycle with.....in an accident the pillion is often the one who is catapulted the greater distance.
So in QLD can the learner carry a pillion once they get their "P's" if they have been instructed in this manner, they would have considerable pillion experience?


Cheers, Mick.

[V8Ian]

A pillion on the back of an "L" Plater.....not for me! I am very selective who I get on the back of a motorcycle with.....in an accident the pillion is often the one who catapulted the greater distance.
So in QLD can the learner carry a pillion once they get their "P's" if they have been instructed in this manner they would have considerable pillion experience?


Cheers, Mick.
Only open licence holders used to be able to carry a pillion (excepting the afore-mentioned situation), I'm unsure of the rules now that 'P's last for three years.

I, also, am very particular about who I'll sit behind on a bike. I will only ride pillion with one fellow and have to close my eyes.