Holden experts needed

[Bundy]

Hi all


I've picked up a Holden powered 86" from Tumut and I am trying to find out what red engine is in it.


Even after plenty of time with the Karcher I could not even find the cast in numbers which normally ID these engines. The grease, rust and gunk from I reckon 30 plus years would not give in to any great degree. Plus from what I remember it's right behind the alternator and that seems to work so I was reluctant to saturate it.
I could read the engine number and that is Y15330 and a 9 I think. Does anybody know what engine this is? It has the road draft engine ventilation and is the different red to the later engines.
After changing the distributer the thing actually runs not too bad. I've given it an oil change and new filter but still have to fix the engine pipe to exhaust manifold leak and the clutch adjustment which is not releasing properly.

[bee utey]

The cast iron inlet manifold and the breather indicate an EH motor, either a 149 or a 179. These didn't have the engine size cast into the block, only the letters "HP".

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Y EH series, 149 red motor, high comp, 1963-1965,100bhp(75kw)@4400rpm FX HR engine prefixes - Holdenpaedia (http://holdenpaedia.oldholden.com/FX_HR_engine_prefixes)

[Bundy]

Wow that was quick thank you both.


I can't believe how great this forum is for information.


The clutch pedal arm is seriously worn from all the dirt plus someone has lengthened the arm that goes through the chassis similar to the Johnsons conversion info.


Does anyone have a good method of welding and redrilling or otherwise fixing this issue with the clutch pedal arm?


Thanks
Paul

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I would change to a Vauxhaul Velox/Ferguson TE20 Borg & Beck clutch pressure plate housing and refit the original clutch linkage. The Holden diaphragm pressure plate clutch never gave a good feel.

[Aaron IIA]

Does anyone have a good method of welding and redrilling or otherwise fixing this issue with the clutch pedal arm?

To weld up a hole, place a plate or block of brass behind the hole. Direct the welding electrode onto the edge of the steel and slowly weld it up. The weld will not stick to the brass. Grind flat when finished, then centre punch and drill the new hole.
Aaron

[Lotz-A-Landies]

To weld up a hole, place a plate or block of brass behind the hole. Direct the welding electrode onto the edge of the steel and slowly weld it up. The weld will not stick to the brass. Grind flat when finished, then centre punch and drill the new hole.
AaronAaron are you talking about the SII/SIIa hydraulic type clutch pedal box or the S1 mechanical linkage with pedals going through the floor?

[Bigbjorn]

FX HR engine prefixes - Holdenpaedia (http://holdenpaedia.oldholden.com/FX_HR_engine_prefixes)

Wrong. Y = 149 low compression.

H = 149 high compression.

I don't care what holdenpaedia says. I am correct.

[Aaron IIA]

Aaron are you talking about the SII/SIIa hydraulic type clutch pedal box or the S1 mechanical linkage with pedals going through the floor?

I was giving advice on welding up and re-drilling holes.
Aaron

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I don't care what holdenpaedia says. I am correct.I'm not disputing you Brian, I only quoted what Holdenpaedia stated (and then gave the link).
Diana :)


EK, EJ, EH series engine prefixes
EK series, 138 grey motor, 1961-1962, 22.5 horsepower, B EJ series, 138 grey motor, 1962-1963, 22.5 horsepower, J EH series, 149 red motor, low comp, 1963-1965, 95bhp(71kw)@4400rpm, Y EH series, 149 red motor, high comp, 1963-1965,100bhp(75kw)@4400rpm, <?> EH series, 179 red motor, 1963-1965, 30.5 horsepower,115bhp(86kw)@4000rpm, M Notice it is very reasonable to misread the presentation of the data.
It would have been better presented as dot points:
EK, EJ, EH series engine prefixes

EK series, 138 grey motor, 1961-1962, 22.5 horsepower, B
EJ series, 138 grey motor, 1962-1963, 22.5 horsepower, J
EH series, 149 red motor, low comp, 1963-1965, 95bhp(71kw)@4400rpm, Y
EH series, 149 red motor, high comp, 1963-1965,100bhp(75kw)@4400rpm, <H>
EH series, 179 red motor, 1963-1965, 30.5 horsepower,115bhp(86kw)@4000rpm, M
or even better if they put the prefix at the front.

BTW: "<red>" inserted by L-A-L

[mick88]

Early 179 engines had "HP" cast on the side of the block (front left) with prefix "M" on the engine number and the later engines had "179" cast there and the engine number started with 179. Low Compression "149" ci engines had prefix "Y" as Brian has stated.
It is from the EH era 1963-65.











Cheers, Mick.

[landrover dave]

Early 179 engines had "HP" cast on the side of the block (front left) with prefix "M" on the engine number and the later engines had "179" cast there and the engine number started with 179. Low Compression "149" ci engines had prefix "Y" as Brian has stated.
It is from the EH era 1963-65.










Cheers, Mick.Not all early 179's had HP cast on the block, there was a commercial 179 out of utes and panel vans, that had a smaller carby, lower comp and torquey cam. HP blocks were usually in sedans and were a hipo motor, well hipo for their day, most having steel cranks.
179 didnt come out till HD.

[mick88]

Not all early 179's had HP cast on the block, there was a commercial 179 out of utes and panel vans, that had a smaller carby, lower comp and torquey cam. HP blocks were usually in sedans and were a hipo motor, well hipo for their day, most having steel cranks.
179 didnt come out till HD.


All Holden motors (greys included) up until Feb 1967 had Steel (forged) cranks.

Cheers, Mick.

[mick88]

The 149 motor was available in either high or low compression variants in the EH and the HD, but not the 179.




Holden Engine Numbers ID Guide (http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/holden_6_cylinder_engine_numbers.htm)


There was an X2 179 motor that feature twin Stromberg carbies available in the HD.


Holden 6 Cylinder Engine Timeline: EH to HZ Holden (http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/holden_6_cylinder_engine_timeline_2.htm)


There was also a Bathurst model EH called the S4 (EH 225 179m-S4) that featured a larger fuel tank, power assisted brakes, beefed up gearbox, a more comprehensive tool kit, however the motor was a standard 179 but supposedly the components were hand picked from the production line for better tolerances.


EH S4 Holden History | EH Holden Car Club of Victoria Inc (http://ehholden.com.au/eh-s4-holden-history/)






Cheers, Mick.

[67hardtop]

Hi everyone, 149 red motors can also be identified by looking at the left hand side or alternator side of the block. It has only 3 large welch plugs instead of 5, 2 small ones and 3 large ones in all other red 6 cyl motors. The 149 was also the only red 6 to have a steel crank fitted as standard, with the exception of the x2 and 186s motors which had the steel crankshaft, steel harmonic balancer and forged steel flywheel as standard which were balanced to finer tolerances than the standard red 6. The smallest red 6 was the 138 red or 2250cc fitted to toranas. And yes the 179 WAS fitted to eh and was deleted from the range at the end of hd holden. Just some correct information for you.

Cheers Rod

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[mick88]

Hi everyone, 149 red motors can also be identified by looking at the left hand side or alternator side of the block. It has only 3 large welch plugs instead of 5, 2 small ones and 3 large ones in all other red 6 cyl motors. The 149 was also the only red 6 to have a steel crank fitted as standard, with the exception of the x2 and 186s motors which had the steel crankshaft, steel harmonic balancer and forged steel flywheel as standard which were balanced to finer tolerances than the standard red 6. The smallest red 6 was the 138 red or 2250cc fitted to toranas. And yes the 179 WAS fitted to eh and was deleted from the range at the end of hd holden. Just some correct information for you.

Cheers Rod

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There was also a 130ci red six manufactured, but only used in export vehicles. As stated earlier all holden six's (grey motors included) up February 1967 had "steel cranks"
The First Red Motors:

When the red motor first came out the 149 blocks had no casting ID & the 179 were cast HP, probably for 'High Performance' which they certainly had when compared with the 149.


The First Red Motors:
When the red motor first came out the 149 blocks had no casting ID & the 179 were cast HP, probably for 'High Performance' which they certainly had when compared with the 149.

HP Engine Blocks - Holdenpaedia (http://holdenpaedia.oldholden.com/HP_Engine_Blocks)



Cheers, Mick.

[Davehoos]

130 red was fitted to LC/LJ badged as 2250. often sourced incorrectly to fit to FJ-EK. the holden dealer I worked at had numbers of these in boxes-prob-export surplus sold as industrial motors.


130 was listed as export engine for statesman with bench seat and 3 speed manual.

[JBM770]

Not to take away from whats been said there is a great forum called FastLane that's a good source of info for early Holdens.

FastLane (http://www.fastlane.com.au/forums/default.asp?CAT_ID=4)

James

[mick88]

130 red was fitted to LC/LJ badged as 2250. often sourced incorrectly to fit to FJ-EK. the holden dealer I worked at had numbers of these in boxes-prob-export surplus sold as industrial motors.


130 was listed as export engine for statesman with bench seat and 3 speed manual.





So Dave,
was the 130 export motor and the 138 (2250) the same motor?


Engine (http://javascript<b></b>:sortTable(0, rsTable);) Code (http://javascript<b></b>:sortTable(1, rsTable);) Notes (http://javascript<b></b>:sortTable(2, rsTable);)
130 130E HT Holden / HG Holden
130 130T Early LC Torana
130 CA Late LC Torana and LJ Torana
130 QA HQ Holden
138 2250H Early LC Torana High Compression
138 2250L Early LC Torana Low Compression
138 CB Late LC Torana , LJ Torana High Compression
138 CC Late LC Torana, LJ Torana Low Compression
138 HB LH Torana, LX Torana High Compression
138 HC LH Torana, LX Torana Low Compression

Cheers, Mick.

[Bigbjorn]

130 was 3.03" x 3", 138 was 3.125" x 3".

[67hardtop]

Hey guys do the maths. 2250 cc = 138 ci or close to it. The smallest holden 6 was the 132 ci grey motor fitted to early 1948 holden AKA fx holden (unofficial prefix).

Cheers Rod

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[mick88]

Hey guys do the maths. 2250 cc = 138 ci or close to it. The smallest holden 6 was the 132 ci grey motor fitted to early 1948 holden AKA fx holden (unofficial prefix).

Cheers Rod

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Well Rod,
my maths tells me 130 is smaller than 132!

I am aware of the 48/215 (AKA FX) that had the 132ci (2150cc) grey motor that preceded the 138ci grey motor.
But we are talking red motors.
The 130 was a late 1960's to early 1970's red motor with a displacement of approx. 2100cc!

As Brian previously stated it was 3.03" x 3.0" and the 138 was 3.125" x 3.0"




Cheers, Mick.

[67hardtop]

Hi Mick88, I have spoken to a mate who's vast knowledge is better than mine when it comes to Holden's. He informed me that Holden did indeed make a 130 cube red 6 cyl that was fitted to export vehicles only and not to any Australian delivered vehicles. You are correct. I am wrong. I am sorry for supplying incomplete/ incorrect info. Apologies to all.

Cheers Rod :wasntme: