D4 Bar on RRS.

[Disco Muppet]

Opposite Lock Newcastle have posted up on their facebook about fitting a D4 bar to a Rangie sport.
Pics attached :)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/08/1217.jpg (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/DiscoMuppet/media/66a0a18a-4ad0-4cf2-a76d-3a606999bfee_zpsf5251275.jpg.html)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/08/1218.jpg (http://s1166.photobucket.com/user/DiscoMuppet/media/f5c13da9-58ff-4b03-a4f9-ce69312d0597_zps26295cef.jpg.html)
I asked about insurance certification and this was the reply...



Opposite Lock Newcastle
100 % legal, fully compliant adr / airbag approved bullbar. Although it was designed to suit a discovery 4, absolutely NO modifications were carried out on the bullbar or mount brackets. The disco & rangie sport share the same floorpan/chassis section at the front. Only needed to trim a little around the lower outer corners of the grille plastic to clear the uprights.

Apologies if this has already been posted :)

[sheerluck]

Not easy to tell from the photos Muppet, but what is that ugly chunk of metal just behind the bar?













Oh, actually, I can see now, it's the RRS. :p

[Disco Muppet]

Not easy to tell from the photos Muppet, but what is that ugly chunk of metal just behind the bar?













Oh, actually, I can see now, it's the RRS. :p

Garrycol will be along shortly to tell you off :p

[sheerluck]

Garrycol will be along shortly to tell you off :p

Nah. He'll just wade in "fridge" insults.

[jonesy63]

Not easy to tell from the photos Muppet, but what is that ugly chunk of metal just behind the bar?

A soccer mum's car? :wasntme: :D:D

[Disco Muppet]

Watch it, there's plenty among here that would call that the pot calling the kettle black :p

[101RRS]

I will let the fridge bit slide because a RRS does not look like a fridge where a D3/D4 does :p.

Anyway - OL Newcastle needs to talk to the OL Head Office in Melbourne as Head Office have advised the bar is not compliant for the RRS. Certainly compliant for the D4 but has not been through the compliant process for the RRS.

This is part of an email I received for the OL Head Office at the end of June this year.

"Hello Garry,
Sorry but our bars have never been complied to be installed onto a Range Rover Sport,
I know some stores have sold and installed the Discovery ¾ bars onto the Range rover but the bar not Airbag compliant.
We do not sell any bar with a compliance plate as such, all our bars are SRS and ADR approved for the 4x4’s they are designed for,
Each bar comes with a sticker on the inside stating the fact they are compatible .
I hope this clears things up for you."

Follow up information

"I know the D3 and D4 bars can fit the Range rover but as you say this should be an easy fit, Its far from it, The job takes 1.5 days to complete as its not designed for that 4x4, its made to fit by the installers,
I would like to tell everyone that the bars are not compliant but this is something that the sales guys need to tell the customer.
I know of 2 bars that have been installed onto Range Rovers with the customers consent that the bar is not compliant."


But then maybe OL Newcastle on their own bat may have obtained compliance and fitted an appropriate sticker - noting that bars do not have to have compliance plates unlike tow bars but they normally do carry stickers advising the vehicle they are complied to fit.

Garry

[sheerluck]

A soccer mum's car? :wasntme: :D:D

And the winch on the front to drag the team's token fat kid out of the mud? :angel:

[sheerluck]

I will let the fridge bit slide because a RRS does not look like a fridge where a D3/D4 does :p.

Anyway - OL Newcastle needs to talk to the OL Head Office in Melbourne as Head Office have advised the bar is not compliant for the RRS. Certainly compliant for the D4 but has not been through the compliant process for the RRS.

This is part of an email I received for the OL Head Office at the end of June this year.

"Hello Garry,
Sorry but our bars have never been complied to be installed onto a Range Rover Sport,
I know some stores have sold and installed the Discovery ¾ bars onto the Range rover but the bar not Airbag compliant.
We do not sell any bar with a compliance plate as such, all our bars are SRS and ADR approved for the 4x4’s they are designed for,
Each bar comes with a sticker on the inside stating the fact they are compatible .
I hope this clears things up for you."

Follow up information

"I know the D3 and D4 bars can fit the Range rover but as you say this should be an easy fit, Its far from it, The job takes 1.5 days to complete as its not designed for that 4x4, its made to fit by the installers,
I would like to tell everyone that the bars are not compliant but this is something that the sales guys need to tell the customer.
I know of 2 bars that have been installed onto Range Rovers with the customers consent that the bar is not compliant."


But then maybe OL Newcastle on their own bat may have obtained compliance and fitted an appropriate sticker - noting that bars do not have to have compliance plates unlike tow bars but they normally do carry stickers advising the vehicle they are complied to fit.

Garry

It's good to see a consistent approach from a company and all it's branches.

However, I found this little snippet in the Queensland road rules:

Vehicles fitted with an airbag or manufactured to comply
with ADR 69 - Full Frontal Impact Occupant Protection
or both ADR 69 and ADR 73 – Offset
Frontal Impact Protection, can only be fitted with a bull
bar which:
• has been certified by the vehicle manufacturer as
suitable for that vehicle or
• has been demonstrated by the bull bar manufacturer
to not adversely affect compliance with the ADRs or
interfere with the critical airbag timing mechanism,
as the case may be.

That last paragraph is the relevant one. Just for OL to demonstrate that the SRS system still works on the RRS would seem to satisfy the Queensland Government.

[RHS58]

2 easy steps:

Install OL D4 bullbar on RRS
Drive in to something hard

I'm sure air bags will go off.
Car rooted though.

[101RRS]

That last paragraph is the relevant one. Just for OL to demonstrate that the SRS system still works on the RRS would seem to satisfy the Queensland Government.

"• has been demonstrated by the bull bar manufacturer
to not adversely affect compliance with the ADRs or
interfere with the critical airbag timing mechanism,
as the case may be.

OL Australia is the manufacturer of the bar not a dealer in Queensland or Newcastle and the manufacturer has not demonstrated this, nor do they intend to.

I want a bar for my car, I would love for all this to be legal etc as we have seen time and time again they fit well, but having taken this up with the manufacturer there is clearly an issue with compliance for a RRS.

If anyone wants one fitted, go right ahead but do it with your eyes wide open and understand the possible ramifications for warranties and roadworthieness.

Also note the ARB bar also fits the RRS as well but we do not see ARB dealers trying to flog their bars for fitment to the RRS. I guess the same for the Landrover genuine D4 bar - not sold for fitment to a RRS.

Garry

[Marty110]

this is what OL in Adelaide told me via email:

"Hi Martin,I have word back from the engineer that the bar is fine and will be ADR compliant on the Range Rover Sport."

[jonesy63]

"will be" is not "is"! :p

[101RRS]

this is what OL in Adelaide told me via email:

"Hi Martin,I have word back from the engineer that the bar is fine and will be ADR compliant on the Range Rover Sport."




So another dealer not the actual manufacturer.

[CSBrisie]

I saw a RRS in Brisbane yesterday with a chrome ECB i think?

81778

[harlie]

I saw a RRS in Brisbane yesterday with a chrome ECB i think?

81778

that's ugly. but being alloy it may not put your front axle overweight Chris.

[weeds]

So another dealer not the actual manufacturer.

Garry, how long since you have communicated with OL??

[101RRS]

This is part of an email I received for the OL Head Office at the end of June this year.



Garry, how long since you have communicated with OL??

Answer above

[101RRS]

I saw a RRS in Brisbane yesterday with a chrome ECB i think?

81778

That is a Boomer Bull Bar - it is made in Qld and is aluminium. It is specifically made for the RRS but the owner of Boomer says he has never gone through any sort of certification and is not airbag certified.

Garry

[zilch]

There you go.. my MY10 with the obligatory OL bar

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/08/1173.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/zilch/media/DSC00508_zpsff6362fb.jpg.html)

and according to OL Brookvale it is fully ADR and SRS compliant, otherwise they would be in deep **** for fitting it from a legal perspective.

Thanks

[Blue 2010 RR Sport]

I have been searching around for a bar to fit to my 2010 RR Sport and so far Opposite Lock still seem to be the only ones who will. Will report on progress.

[Stuart02]

I have been searching around for a bar to fit to my 2010 RR Sport and so far Opposite Lock still seem to be the only ones who will. Will report on progress.

Alloy would be good from a weight perspective.

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[Blue 2010 RR Sport]

Alloy would be good from a weight perspective.

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Unfortunately they only do in steel

[LandyAndy]

There isnt a huge difference in weight between a steel and alloy bar.
To get the strength the steel one has,the alloy bars are made of fairly heavy thickness material.
Andrew

[Blue 2010 RR Sport]

My insurance company has advised all I have to do is tell them the bull bar is fitted as an accessory and I am covered. I specifically queried if ADR compliance was an issue - apparently not. I have it all in writing. Now to organise fitting.

[DunnToImpress]

Hey Blue, Just wondering has there been any progress on your Bar for the Sport??? I too am keen to get a Winch Bar on my MY2013 Sport but haven't been confident given all the discussion about ADR Compliance required. Would be keen to hear from others that may have done this.

[XeroAU]

How has everyone gone with this? Wondering if any components had to be relocated or shifted (washer bottle?) Keen to fit a bar to my 07 RRS TDV6

[shack]

How has everyone gone with this? Wondering if any components had to be relocated or shifted (washer bottle?) Keen to fit a bar to my 07 RRS TDV6Wet put a D4 bar on a 2005 rrs earlier this year, it didn't fit perfectly but it's not too bad.

I don't think we needed to shift anything, but the grill needed to be cut, and from memory, the antenna mounts needed to be trimmed so the bonnet could be opened.

You also have to make your own fillers for under the headlights.

[XeroAU]

Wet put a D4 bar on a 2005 rrs earlier this year, it didn't fit perfectly but it's not too bad.

I don't think we needed to shift anything, but the grill needed to be cut, and from memory, the antenna mounts needed to be trimmed so the bonnet could be opened.

You also have to make your own fillers for under the headlights.

Was that an OL bar or ARB? I prefer the look of the ARB bar compared to the OL one. I'm not too fussed if there is a gap left over or trimming parts like the grill just so long as I don't need to relocate any components.

[shack]

Was that an OL bar or ARB? I prefer the look of the ARB bar compared to the OL one. I'm not too fussed if there is a gap left over or trimming parts like the grill just so long as I don't need to relocate any components.I wanna say opposite lock, but I'll have to check, it really didn't look too bad either IMO

[101RRS]

Opposite Lock is the best bar to fit (is a D3 Bar) - they modify their fitting kit and are familiar installing the D3 bar on a RRS.

The issue still remains the legality, as the D3 bar is not certified for the RRS so is illegal to fit even though it goes straight on. I have asked OL and ARB why they have not certified their bars for the RRS but both have said that there is not the market to warrant going through the certification process.

So fit but understand the legal aspects.

Garry

[XeroAU]

You have one on your RRS, Garry? How have you found it?

[101RRS]

No I do not have one. I would have one fitted in an instant but not prepared to go the illegal route.

For me ir is just too risky.

Garry

[XeroAU]

Fair enough, mate. Have a look at Nick Roberts Global Rally Team and his RRS. Looks tough. I put a before and after pic from his page up in my introduction post.

[101RRS]

There are plenty of RRS running around with OL and some ARB bars on them, as there are plenty of cars running around with illegal wheels/tyres, lifts and other modifications - its all about the risk you are prepared to take.

Thankfully the issue of fitting a compliant D3 bar on a RRS is not likely to impact anyone else and the issue is more technical than a safety issue for others.

Garry

[shack]

No I do not have one. I would have one fitted in an instant but not prepared to go the illegal route.

For me ir is just too risky.

GarryJust checked... They one we fitted is OL, it's for a d4 and they told us it is ADR certified and legal on a sport...now whether or not it actually is...

[101RRS]

Just checked... They one we fitted is OL, it's for a d4 and they told us it is ADR certified and legal on a sport...now whether or not it actually is...

Thats great then the bar should have the authorised compliance sticker or a plate on it that says that the bar complies for fitment to a RRS.

If it does not have that authorised compliance sticker then it ain't legal.

Simples.

This pic is an example for an ARB on a Rodeo so you need something like this but for a RRS - and not a D4 - if OL will provide it then they are saying the bar is compliant.

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[loanrangie]

I'm not sure how similar the front area is between an RRS and D3/4 but the bar fitting kits come with brackets for remounting some items that are attached to the original bumper like the front valve block and washer bottle.

[Meccles]

This has been discussed many times before. I was going to fit OL bar had purchased one colour coded it etc was at OL dealer who'd fitted them before to RRS. But - when pushed - and when OL head office were asked the D4 bar is not ADR compliant with RRS. So whoever told you it is sounds like wishful thinking.

[XeroAU]

All good. I went to the Perth 4WD and Adventure show on the weekend and was told by members of a club (who also previously worked at OL) that they were the first to fit the D4 bar to a RRS in WA. They had word from a pal in SA (who is also an Engineer) that the D4 and the RRS share the same chassis so in compliance terms it's fine.

[101RRS]

They had word from a pal in SA (who is also an Engineer) that the D4 and the RRS share the same chassis so in compliance terms it's fine.

That is absolute BULL **** - if it does not have a plate saying it is compliant for fitment to a RRS then it is not compliant. End of story.

You have been told this over and over and still go looking for the incorrect advice you want to hear.

Both Meccles and myself have contacted OL and when pushed OL admit the bar fits but is not compliant and they have no plans to go through the process of making it compliant. It is not OL themselves who are selling this for fitment to the RRS but franchise owners who are not owned by OL.

By all means fit the bar, a few people have but they made the decision knowing of the possible legal, insurance and roadworthy issues. It is a risk decision that owners will most likely get away with. Thankfully it is more of a compliance issue rather than a safety issue but people need to understand the ramifications.

Oh and the RRS and the D4 do not share the same chassis - the RRS is 7" shorter and there are other minor changes at the front and other areas - hence why the D4 bar does not just bolt straight on - the mounting kit has to be modified to make it fit the RRS - that in itself breaks its compliance.

Garry

[XeroAU]

So the vendors at the OL booth at the show I went to are wrong as well?

You need to calm down with your objections to this mod mate. You're like a broken record on every forum asking and seeking advice for this.

[Eevo]

people care about compliance?

[101RRS]

So the vendors at the OL booth at the show I went to are wrong as well?

You need to calm down with your objections to this mod mate. You're like a broken record on every forum asking and seeking advice for this.

Fine - but get them to show you the compliance plate that shows you the bar is compliant to fit to a RRS. If they have the correct approved compliance plate then they have made it compliant - but no one has done it as yet.

If you want to install a bar that is not compliant then go for it - your call but you need to understand the associated issues.

If you are so sure there are no issues why haven't you got OL to fit one for you - you have been talking about it long enough.

[XeroAU]

BeCaUsE iM nOt MaDe Of MoNeY

I'll get it when I can afford it now that I've had advice from people in person.

[Meccles]

I had advice from people in person as well and it’s was BS. You’re call a few have fitted them just hope you never have an accident or it gets checked. Myself I chose not to take that risk. A personal call.

[zilch]

fitted a OL D4 bar to my MY10 RRS some 5 years ago along with a RAI, plus all the following non LR approved accessories
Warn Winch, bash plates, Rock Sliders and step out bars, etc etc.. pretty sure ADR compliance was to protect a failing car
industry.. which is now non existent in OZ..

https://www.aulro.com/app/data/500/medium/DSC01197.jpg

[loanrangie]

people care about compliance?Not the jappers it seems, every 2nd dual cab ute I see on the road would be non compliant.

[XeroAU]

Zilch! That looks nuts! I'd like to know more about your mods if you could PM me. Cheers!

[zilch]

Zilch! That looks nuts! I'd like to know more about your mods if you could PM me. Cheers!

you have mail sir/madam, delete as appropriate :)