20" Nitto Terra Grapplers

[TerryO]

Looks like I'm the Guinea Pig, yesterday I fitted a set of 265/50/20 Nitto Terra Grapplers to the D4 and 600 k's later so far so good, smooth but a bit noisy.

Defiantly louder than what the bald OEM Pirelli's were but not to bad considering they are A/T's. Much quieter than the KM2's on the D3, even quieter than the BFG A/T's on the D1. But one should expect that given the difference in age of the vehicles.

Nearly as quite as the near new 18" Pirelli's on the D2. Anyway I'll report back how they are going as the clicks mount up. By the way I purchased them for $260 each fitted.

[Parkes]

Thanks for doing that for us 20"ers.

Will be very interested to see how they go as I'll be sticking some new 20" AT's on soon. I'll have to catch up with you on the upcoming weekend away to see what you think of them.

Cheers,

Andrew

[TerryO]

You will have to ask the Better half about how the the Grapplers go at the D3/4/RRS weekend after all she is the one that will be driving the D4. I will be in the D3.

[~Rich~]

That sounds a great price Terry.

[TerryO]

St George Tyres Arncliffe.

[SBD4]

St George Tyres Arncliffe.

that's where I got my Pirrelli scorpion ATRs. Good prices there.

[Celtoid]

Looks like I'm the Guinea Pig, yesterday I fitted a set of 265/50/20 Nitto Terra Grapplers to the D4 and 600 k's later so far so good, smooth but a bit noisy.

Defiantly louder than what the bald OEM Pirelli's were but not to bad considering they are A/T's. Much quieter than the KM2's on the D3, even quieter than the BFG A/T's on the D1. But one should expect that given the difference in age of the vehicles.

Nearly as quite as the near new 18" Pirelli's on the D2. Anyway I'll report back how they are going as the clicks mount up. By the way I purchased them for $260 each fitted.


I'll have to check which ones, but a guy I just recently met has Nitto's fitted to his D4 (20" RR Wheels Diamond something ?). He seemed very happy.


A local tyre guy that I know was telling me Nittos are also getting a good rap in the performance tyre stakes ... at a much lower price than competitors.

[Parkes]

You will have to ask the Better half about how the the Grapplers go at the D3/4/RRS weekend after all she is the one that will be driving the D4. I will be in the D3.


Will do Terry, sounds good.

[MitchellBros4x4]

Looks like I'm the Guinea Pig, yesterday I fitted a set of 265/50/20 Nitto Terra Grapplers to the D4 and 600 k's later so far so good, smooth but a bit noisy.

Defiantly louder than what the bald OEM Pirelli's were but not to bad considering they are A/T's. Much quieter than the KM2's on the D3, even quieter than the BFG A/T's on the D1. But one should expect that given the difference in age of the vehicles.

Nearly as quite as the near new 18" Pirelli's on the D2. Anyway I'll report back how they are going as the clicks mount up. By the way I purchased them for $260 each fitted.

Hi Terry,

Great review thanks for that.

That sounds pretty cheap, pretty sure that your tyres are "parallel" imports and not Australian delivered tyres.

Aaron Mitchell

[MitchellBros4x4]

Just for the sake of the process, can you please grab me the DOT numbers on the tyres??

I'm very keen to know exactly how old these tyres are.

[TerryO]

They advertise their tyres as being 2013 build.

[chuck]

Terry

Sounds like your expected by some to pay more for your tyres even though they were purchased and fitted in an Australian Store.

Please keep the reviews coming.

Cheers

[MitchellBros4x4]

That might be the case but the DOT number on the tyres is the giveaway.

I called a local company to check on Nitto for a client today and they confirmed that they were parallel from America but they declined to answer my question on the build date of the tyres.

Do you know how to read the DOT number of the Tyre?

Would you be annoyed if you found out the Tyre was already 12, 18 or more months old?

There's a certain level of deception that occurs with parallel imports and it's just an erk that bugs me.

[MitchellBros4x4]

@ Chuck Norris, just because the Tyre was purchased in an Australian store doesn't mean it was designed for our conditions, some of these tyres are coming out of Canada and they're a softer compound, would you care if you didn't get what you thought you were buying?

[MitchellBros4x4]

Stupid auto correct, not chuck Norris

[Celtoid]

Stupid auto correct, not chuck Norris

Lucky for you .... :Rolling:

[Graeme]

They advertise their tyres as being 2013 build.Don't they have a 4-digit manufacturing date code being 2 for the year followed by 2 for the week number?

[TerryO]

At $260 each fitted seriously I don't care if they wear out prematurely. I actually prefer to change tyres on a regular basis anyway.

Regarding build dates, do I care if the tyres are 6 months old or two years old by the time I buy them? The answer is no I don't, I will wear them out or have moved them on long before they get to the five years old mark that most people like to talk about.
For your information I'm in Motorsport, in actual fact I own and run a national motorcycle championship series that also has control tyres in several of the classes, so I have a pretty good idea about tyres and how they age and what can potentially go wrong and what is hype and what is often repeated old wives tails.

When I get a chance and have the correct classes on I will look for the build date. I'm taking it that like with most build dates on tyres it is just about the smallest marking that they put anywhere on a tyre and the hardest to find and see.

[Graeme]

I'm taking it that like with most build dates on tyres it is just about the smallest marking that they put anywhere on a tyre and the hardest to find and see.I've found them to be quite obvious as indented numbers on an indented oval patch presumably because the numbers have to be changed every week (hence probably every use) so aren't part of the main mould.

I wondered about some relatively cheap Contis I purchased recently from a tyre outlet in western Sydney but was pleased to find they were not old stock. I also recently purchased some imported farm equipment tyres that had been fitted to rims but never used that were made in 2002 and 2005. These tyres had obviously been well stored as they show no signs of perishing and still smell like new tyres.

[chuck]

I bought a set of Cooper LTZ's from a good friend that owns a tyre store.

The price would indicate that they are parallel imports as they were more than $100 cheaper per tyre than Cooper Dealers.

They are genuine & 2013 build.

If the manufacturers were selling the product at a reasonable price then parallel imports would not exist.

Same with BFG - can get genuine 265 65 18's for $360.00 ea fitted & balanced.

Genuine BFG RRP is $588.00!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Celtoid]

I bought a set of Cooper LTZ's from a good friend that owns a tyre store.

The price would indicate that they are parallel imports as they were more than $100 cheaper per tyre than Cooper Dealers.

They are genuine & 2013 build.

If the manufacturers were selling the product at a reasonable price then parallel imports would not exist.

Same with BFG - can get genuine 265 65 18's for $360.00 ea fitted & balanced.

Genuine BFG RRP is $588.00!!!!!!!!!!!!


Hi Mate,


I don't know .... there may be more than one way to save money on a tyre.


I don't quite get 'Parallel Imports' anyway. Old stock, defective stock, somehow shifted through a 'side' network?


Anyway, back to my point. A local Brisbane dealer that I know, does not use the local Pirelli distribution network and chooses to deal directly with a Sydney based dealer who imports from the OEMs. The savings are in the range of $200/tyre for high end tyres.


All genuine, all current, just less middle men!


Your tyres could fall into that category.


Cheers,


Kev.

[time2]

Hi Terry

I fitted a set of these to my D4 in June just prior to our trip to Cooktown. Have now done over 5,500km and have to say I'm very pleased with them. As you have mentioned they are quite and responsive in their grip. As a sister brand of Toyo I think the compound used is softer than the american brand but I see that as a good thing.

Most of my Km's have been highway with only a little bit of dirt road (10%). No mud yet - it's been a bit dry around here. We were fully loaded and there is no sign of chipping. They felt like a heavier tyre than the previous Pirelli Zeros but I haven't checked the weight. The side walls seem thicker - what do you think?

I think the tread depth is probably a couple mm shallower than the Cooper LTZ but as you have said, for the price, they appear to be good.

[Celtoid]

Hi Terry

I fitted a set of these to my D4 in June just prior to our trip to Cooktown. Have now done over 5,500km and have to say I'm very pleased with them. As you have mentioned they are quite and responsive in their grip. As a sister brand of Toyo I think the compound used is softer than the american brand but I see that as a good thing.

Most of my Km's have been highway with only a little bit of dirt road (10%). No mud yet - it's been a bit dry around here. We were fully loaded and there is no sign of chipping. They felt like a heavier tyre than the previous Pirelli Zeros but I haven't checked the weight. The side walls seem thicker - what do you think?

I think the tread depth is probably a couple mm shallower than the Cooper LTZ but as you have said, for the price, they appear to be good.


Tread depth can be deceptive. I have 18" LTZs which look like they have heaps more tread depth than the 19" Scorpion ATRs I was running as road tyres. But on measuring there was bugger all in it. I think it was the space between the blocks that make the tread look deeper on the LTZs.

[TerryO]

Hi Terry

Most of my Km's have been highway with only a little bit of dirt road (10%). No mud yet - it's been a bit dry around here. We were fully loaded and there is no sign of chipping. They felt like a heavier tyre than the previous Pirelli Zeros but I haven't checked the weight. The side walls seem thicker - what do you think?
.

hi Time2

From what I can tell yes the side walls seam thicker than the OEM Pirelli's. Done nearly 1500 k's on the Nitto's, so far so good.

[Celtoid]

hi Time2

From what I can tell yes the side walls seam thicker than the OEM Pirelli's. Done nearly 1500 k's on the Nitto's, so far so good.


Hi Terry,


Have you had them in a decent downpour yet, on the road? How did they perform?


As you have possibly gathered from some of my posts I've found the Scorpions (ATR) not quite as good in the wet as I would have liked.


Cheers,


Kev.

[catsman]

Hi Kev, from memory you had a scary aquaplaning moment on Pirellis? I have heard some people have a similar experiences in different car makes from the DSC kicking in while aquaplaning, turning the vehicle. Is that a possibility in your case?

[Celtoid]

Hi Kev, from memory you had a scary aquaplaning moment on Pirellis? I have heard some people have a similar experiences in different car makes from the DSC kicking in while aquaplaning, turning the vehicle. Is that a possibility in your case?


Hi catsman,


Yes that's correct. Pirelli ATRs.


Are you thinking the reaction of the DSC caused the turn?


I'm not sure, I actually thought the DSC saved my life (or at least a very bad day), as it helped me recover the car from the situation.


At the time it seemed like the car just lifted in the water (lost contact with the road) and then I was aware of it turning, as in rotating. I was in a very slight turn, following the line of the road, at the time. I've been asked if I noticed a DSC or something light come on (In the dash) ... which I didn't, as I was looking directly at a concrete barrier.


It was then (after the rotation) that I was aware of the TC or sub-sets of that (DSC) (or the other way round) kicking in .... you could literally feel and hear the car react, it was very obvious. It probably is DSC but I think these systems are very integrated ... but for the discussion let's just say DSC ('cause I wouldn't know otherwise :-)). I'm pretty certain that didn't occur until the car had turned/rotated. I kept my foot off the brake and accelerator but turned the car towards my intended direction of travel. The DSC kicked in at each change of direction, doing what I felt was reducing the aggressiveness of the slide. In other words, each slide was tighter helping straighten the car. It appeared obvious to me that I was going to be OK after the first correction as I could feel the car quickly coming under control. It was very quick and there were only three corrections (getting smaller each time). It is possible that my input was actually hindering the recovery to a small extent .... as in the OMFG overcorrect!


I say the sequence is accurate with some conviction now as I've had the DSC react in the new D4 on a very slippery mud/gravel road at much lower speed (60kph and then 40 shortly afterwards). It was much quicker to react and recover than the older one ... or so it appeared. But the sensation was the same.....slide/rotate/recover. But once again, I'm certain the DSC didn't kick in until the car started turning. Even at 40kph I was well aware of the DSC kicking in.


Maybe with a slighter turn you'd feel less DSC input. I don't know the system well enough to understand the inputs to the DSC but I'm guessing what the wheels are doing would be one thing but I'm certain that sway is somehow detected. Aircraft use gyros and accelerometers, etc to achieve this, not sure what a D4 does. However, there must be something and the existence of Trailer Stability Control would suggest that the car is aware of sway. I doubt the sway in this case (before the slide) would have been any greater than a slight turn in normal circumstances (on a dry road) but maybe the lack of wheel reference due to the aquaplane did trigger something?


I was thinking the tyres bit in a fraction after the aquaplane (which would have induced a rotation due to the curved road) causing an aggressive change in direction. I'm certain the car was sliding up the road sideways but was still heading towards the wall. Heading towards the wall is a given as my car completely changed lanes, but I'm sure it was still sliding sideways as well. Does that make sense?


I don't want to pooh pooh the ATRs as I thought they were a great tyre originally. Very strong and capable....punching way above their weight off-road too. But I've read a few very similar stories now about them. Obviously if you were driving muddies or slicks you'd expect a traction issue in the wet but what really scared me was the lack of warning.....one sec beautiful, next sec ... OMFG. On tight corners (roundabouts) I felt they were a bit skittish in the wet but wasn't overly concerned until this occurred.


The extremity of the circumstances could have been circumstantial but since now driving on OEM Wranglers again with the new D4, I'm not aware of any issues in the wet.


It might just be the fact that I got the crap scared out of me but I don't think I'd buy them again. In all honesty if it had just been my experience I'd probably force myself to overcome that lack of confidence but since reading more reports, I'll be looking for alternates when the Wranglers are done. I think there are a lot of guys on this forum running Scorpion ATRs, so if they are not reporting a trend maybe it just has been circumstance for a few drivers ... it happens.


You'd think the DSC is designed to do what it I think it did and since the cars would have been tested in the UK, you'd assume rain would have been taken into consideration .... wouldn't you? :confused:


Not sure if that helped.


Cheers,


Kev.

[TerryO]

So far the Nitto's are pretty good, not exceptional though. In heavy rain they can track a bit if there is a lot of surface water.

Not at all unhappy I bought them, especially at that price. Don't know what they are like off road yet though.

[Disco Muppet]

Kev.
Not D3/D4 related but I've been running Pirellis for the last 45k kms on my D2, including in some torrential downpours and I've never had it step out at all.
Keep in mind I'm still a green P plater (until 3pm today ;) ) so I like to drive enthusiastically :D
Not sure if the different systems/tyre size on a later model disco would have an impact on how they go in the wet.

[SBD4]

Hi catsman,


Yes that's correct. Pirelli ATRs.


Are you thinking the reaction of the DSC caused the turn?


I'm not sure, I actually thought the DSC saved my life (or at least a very bad day), as it helped me recover the car from the situation.


At the time it seemed like the car just lifted in the water (lost contact with the road) and then I was aware of it turning, as in rotating. I was in a very slight turn, following the line of the road, at the time. I've been asked if I noticed a DSC or something light come on (In the dash) ... which I didn't, as I was looking directly at a concrete barrier.


It was then (after the rotation) that I was aware of the TC or sub-sets of that (DSC) (or the other way round) kicking in .... you could literally feel and hear the car react, it was very obvious. It probably is DSC but I think these systems are very integrated ... but for the discussion let's just say DSC ('cause I wouldn't know otherwise :-)). I'm pretty certain that didn't occur until the car had turned/rotated. I kept my foot off the brake and accelerator but turned the car towards my intended direction of travel. The DSC kicked in at each change of direction, doing what I felt was reducing the aggressiveness of the slide. In other words, each slide was tighter helping straighten the car. It appeared obvious to me that I was going to be OK after the first correction as I could feel the car quickly coming under control. It was very quick and there were only three corrections (getting smaller each time). It is possible that my input was actually hindering the recovery to a small extent .... as in the OMFG overcorrect!


I say the sequence is accurate with some conviction now as I've had the DSC react in the new D4 on a very slippery mud/gravel road at much lower speed (60kph and then 40 shortly afterwards). It was much quicker to react and recover than the older one ... or so it appeared. But the sensation was the same.....slide/rotate/recover. But once again, I'm certain the DSC didn't kick in until the car started turning. Even at 40kph I was well aware of the DSC kicking in.


Maybe with a slighter turn you'd feel less DSC input. I don't know the system well enough to understand the inputs to the DSC but I'm guessing what the wheels are doing would be one thing but I'm certain that sway is somehow detected. Aircraft use gyros and accelerometers, etc to achieve this, not sure what a D4 does. However, there must be something and the existence of Trailer Stability Control would suggest that the car is aware of sway. I doubt the sway in this case (before the slide) would have been any greater than a slight turn in normal circumstances (on a dry road) but maybe the lack of wheel reference due to the aquaplane did trigger something?


I was thinking the tyres bit in a fraction after the aquaplane (which would have induced a rotation due to the curved road) causing an aggressive change in direction. I'm certain the car was sliding up the road sideways but was still heading towards the wall. Heading towards the wall is a given as my car completely changed lanes, but I'm sure it was still sliding sideways as well. Does that make sense?


I don't want to pooh pooh the ATRs as I thought they were a great tyre originally. Very strong and capable....punching way above their weight off-road too. But I've read a few very similar stories now about them. Obviously if you were driving muddies or slicks you'd expect a traction issue in the wet but what really scared me was the lack of warning.....one sec beautiful, next sec ... OMFG. On tight corners (roundabouts) I felt they were a bit skittish in the wet but wasn't overly concerned until this occurred.


The extremity of the circumstances could have been circumstantial but since now driving on OEM Wranglers again with the new D4, I'm not aware of any issues in the wet.


It might just be the fact that I got the crap scared out of me but I don't think I'd buy them again. In all honesty if it had just been my experience I'd probably force myself to overcome that lack of confidence but since reading more reports, I'll be looking for alternates when the Wranglers are done. I think there are a lot of guys on this forum running Scorpion ATRs, so if they are not reporting a trend maybe it just has been circumstance for a few drivers ... it happens.


You'd think the DSC is designed to do what it I think it did and since the cars would have been tested in the UK, you'd assume rain would have been taken into consideration .... wouldn't you? :confused:


Not sure if that helped.


Cheers,


Kev.

out of interest, do you recall what tyre pressures you were running at the time?

[Celtoid]

out of interest, do you recall what tyre pressures you were running at the time?

Around 40psi.

I'd been running on placard pressures originally but found the outside edges wore prematurely.

I forgot to add that I'd been driving on Scorpions for a couple of years with no issue and these tyres were near new ... So maybe it was just bad luck.

Seems like some folks have had issues, others not so.

[catsman]

Hi Kev, interesting reading. I know someone who aquaplaned in a Nissan 370Z and he claimed the DSC completely spun the vehicle around and straight into a concrete barrier.

From my experiences aquaplaning usually the car loses steering but continues in a straight line. Hence why being turned sounds strange to me.

[Celtoid]

Hi Kev, interesting reading. I know someone who aquaplaned in a Nissan 370Z and he claimed the DSC completely spun the vehicle around and straight into a concrete barrier.

From my experiences aquaplaning usually the car loses steering but continues in a straight line. Hence why being turned sounds strange to me.

I wasn't driving in a straight line, I was on a slight bend, so that I think was the key, as in the car started drifting in a straight line Vs the direction of the road and then when the front bit in, it exacerbated the situation. It may also be possible that not all wheels were aquaplaning or maybe not all uniformly (as in duration) .... It wasn't a huge slick of water.

I'm just guessing but I think there was more of a dynamic at play. 3 tons at almost 100 kph has a lot of momentum but a slight change in directional force caused by maybe one tyre gripping when the others were aquaplaning could be a plausible cause.

I'm pretty sure the aquaplane was brief and then the slide was more uniform and predictable ... Albeit scary.

The DSC would react to an instability or change in direction I imagine and counter the other way, so I don't see why it would have turned your mates car.

I aquaplaned an old (well new at the time) Mitsubishi Scorpion on the way to Cairns, in the middle of a tropical downpour. It had no electronic aids at all and whilst it remained pointing straight, it drifted into the oncoming traffic lane (fortunately nothing was coming). It only turned when I turned the steering wheel. So I guess there are a lot of variables and dynamics at work.

An other that comes to mind too is the force of the drive wheels. Hitting water could cause them to spin or spin and then bite, causing yaw if that force wasn't identical.

Whilst I did physics at school and I'm an engineer of sorts, I am really only surmising.

Cheers.

[tuffrangie]

I have 285/65/18's Terra Grapplers on my Ranger, I really rate the tyres and would happily fit them again when they run out. I will certainly consider them or the Trail grapplers for the Disco when the LTZ's wear out. I paid $310 a tyre not parallel import. Great on the road and great off, a really good compromise tyre that suits my work, lots of rd k's and also offroad on site every day.

Cheers
Rob

[jon3950]

When a tyre aquaplanes, it loses all grip and so starts travelling in a straight line tangential to the radius around which it was originally travelling. It will also mean that front will momentarily be travelling in a different direction to the rears.

As you go from a steady rate of turn to moving in a straight line, the acceleration will make you feel like you are turning when you are just going straight ahead.

Sounds like the DSC worked very well. I've only provoked it by getting the rear out and it has brought the car back into line very quickly - although a bit unnerving when you are intending to oversteer through a corner.

Cheers,
Jon

[Celtoid]

When a tyre aquaplanes, it loses all grip and so starts travelling in a straight line tangential to the radius around which it was originally travelling. It will also mean that front will momentarily be travelling in a different direction to the rears.

As you go from a steady rate of turn to moving in a straight line, the acceleration will make you feel like you are turning when you are just going straight ahead.

Sounds like the DSC worked very well. I've only provoked it by getting the rear out and it has brought the car back into line very quickly - although a bit unnerving when you are intending to oversteer through a corner.

Cheers,
Jon


Hi Jon,


Thanks for your input. I get the gist but the middle part has me flummoxed.


If I'm heading up a road with a slight right hand turn and then I'm suddenly crossing the lane to my right and I'm heading towards a concrete wall on my RHS, I'm pretty sure I didn't feel the car turn, I'm certain it did turn.


Am I missing something?


In reality it's probably one of these situations where the only real answers would be found with sensors and cameras all over the car.....were all 4 wheels aquaplaning or sliding, if not which were....where was power being applied, if any....what did the driver do during his OMG moment, etc?


But .... yes ... the DSC was very impressive ... thank god.


Cheers Mate.

[jon3950]

Yeah, not worded very well, I'll try again.

As you travel around a curve at a steady rate you experience a constant acceleration. When the front end loses grip and starts travelling in a straight line the acceleration changes. This change in acceleration is what you feel. Because the change in acceleration is towards the outside of the curve it can make you feel like you are turning in the opposite direction when in fact you have just started travelling in a straight line.

It's the same feeling as being in an aircraft levelling out of a banked turn. If it happens smoothly you don't really notice. If it happens suddenly, it can feel as if you are turning the other way.

Also, that's assuming both front wheels aquaplane. If only one wheel aquaplanes, it will pull you to one side, same as if you only braked using one wheel, so you would turn.

What I was trying get at with the stuff above is that the change in acceleration can make it feel worse than it really is.

Does that make sense?

Cheers,
Jon

[Celtoid]

Yeah, not worded very well, I'll try again.

As you travel around a curve at a steady rate you experience a constant acceleration. When the front end loses grip and starts travelling in a straight line the acceleration changes. This change in acceleration is what you feel. Because the change in acceleration is towards the outside of the curve it can make you feel like you are turning in the opposite direction when in fact you have just started travelling in a straight line.

It's the same feeling as being in an aircraft levelling out of a banked turn. If it happens smoothly you don't really notice. If it happens suddenly, it can feel as if you are turning the other way.

Also, that's assuming both front wheels aquaplane. If only one wheel aquaplanes, it will pull you to one side, same as if you only braked using one wheel, so you would turn.

What I was trying get at with the stuff above is that the change in acceleration can make it feel worse than it really is.

Does that make sense?

Cheers,
Jon


Jon,


I started processing this and realised that I was thinking about the difference in the two scenarios due to the Longitudinal axis aspects of an aircraft (roll axis), which gives a three dimensional effect Vs a more two dimensional effect in a car (not completely as the body does roll in that same axis but usually as a counter force) ... and then I realised that I was having flash backs from studies almost 30 years ago (which I acknowledge are pretty bloody rusty) ... LOL!!!


STOP, STOP, STOP.


I changed professions for a reason. :D


Cheers mate.

[jon3950]

Come on, I'm just warming up :D

[Celtoid]

Come on, I'm just warming up :D



My car still turned .... :p

[TerryO]

I really like this D4, find every excuse I can to drive it and have now done over 10,000 k's in less than 3 months. And 9,000 plus of those kilometres have been on the Nitto's which still look like they are brand new.

Only been off road once with them at the D3/D4/RRS weekend and they did the job well given some of the tracks we did.
For $260 each fitted I reckon they are a true bargain, they handle well in both the wet and dry and are still very quite. Looking at the wear on them I reckon these tyres are going to do some impressive mileage before they need changing out.

Anyway I will keep reporting in on them every 10,000 k's or so and or if anything goes wrong etc.

[Epic pooh]

There's nothing quite as nice as the sound of a healthy V8 amongst the birdsong :)

That's about my annual km's driven in 3 months Terry !

Well priced tyres, my last set of GG ATs were $300 ea but my current Wranglers were $300 ... For the set !

Are those Nittos audible on the road and particularly at highway speeds ?

[TerryO]

They are very quite Mick, how quite? the centre consul fridge fan is louder believe it or not.

[Epic pooh]

That's impressive. My old GGs were louder than a failing wheel bearing. I might take a look at them when I toast the Wranglers which provably won't take too long.

[Hatchy]

Hi Mate,


I don't know .... there may be more than one way to save money on a tyre.


I don't quite get 'Parallel Imports' anyway. Old stock, defective stock, somehow shifted through a 'side' network?


Anyway, back to my point. A local Brisbane dealer that I know, does not use the local Pirelli distribution network and chooses to deal directly with a Sydney based dealer who imports from the OEMs. The savings are in the range of $200/tyre for high end tyres.


All genuine, all current, just less middle men!


Your tyres could fall into that category.


Cheers,


Kev.

Kev do you mind PM me the Brisbane dealer as I will be in need of some AT on the D4.

[Celtoid]

Kev do you mind PM me the Brisbane dealer as I will be in need of some AT on the D4.



Will do mate.


Kev.

[Geedublya]

I've had 265 50 20 Terra Grapplers fitted for about 6 weeks now. They work well in the dry and although there is a little noise you have to listen for it.

In the wet they are a somewhat disappointing, the ABS kicks in early and understeer is never far away. I would say my 245 70 17 BFG KM2s are better on wet roads. At least they don't aquaplane like my old Pirellis did when nearly worn out.
I haven't been off road with them yet and if I do it will likely be very mild.

Overall I'm happy with them, if they can give me 50K and the wet weather performance doesn't deteriorate, I will be considering them next time.

[Muskie]

ive done about 20,000klms now and love these tyres....they're awesome off-road on the beach ! Highly recommend them !

[TerryO]

Totally agree Muskie.

[LRD414]

Anyway, back to my point. A local Brisbane dealer that I know, does not use the local Pirelli distribution network and chooses to deal directly with a Sydney based dealer who imports from the OEMs. The savings are in the range of $200/tyre for high end tyres.

All genuine, all current, just less middle men!

Your tyres could fall into that category.

Cheers,
Kev.

Kev,

I'd appreciate a PM for the tyre place in Brisbane too. I'm in the market to replace the original 19" Wranglers on my D4.

Cheers,
Scott

[diesel]

...

Anyway, back to my point. A local Brisbane dealer that I know, does not use the local Pirelli distribution network and chooses to deal directly with a Sydney based dealer who imports from the OEMs. The savings are in the range of $200/tyre for high end tyres.


All genuine, all current, just less middle men!


Your tyres could fall into that category.


Cheers,


Kev.

I too would appreciate the contact info, I'm just about ready to purchase & I'm keen on the ATR.

Cheers,

[rar110]

I will soon also be looking for 19" ATRs. I have 2-3 months of tread left.

Kev's tyre place does good prices. Marbe buying together will be even better.

[diesel]

It's worth a try, I too have a few months of tread left, maybe up to 4 or so which includes time to 'save' for the new boots!

[Disco4SE]

ive done about 20,000klms now and love these tyres....they're awesome off-road on the beach ! Highly recommend them !
Hey Muskie, have the tyres affected your economy??

Cheers, Craig

[rar110]

It's worth a try, I too have a few months of tread left, maybe up to 4 or so which includes time to 'save' for the new boots!

I'll also be getting 4 tyres.

[Muskie]

Hi Wizard,

no, my fuel consumption has'nt changed at all, averaging 9.5l/100klms, and that includes a few weeks on the beach!

I just had to take the car back to Austral Land Rover and have them re-programme the computer settings on the transmission to compensate for the change from 19' to 20'.....this is crucial, otherwise the gearbox will shudder and of course the speedo is out. my next set of Tyres (Tires for the Yanks) will be the same, Nitto's again!!

Brgds Paul
MY13 Discovery 4 SE SDV6, with every possible LR Option available

[Muskie]

Hi Guys, has anybody else out there in LR land have 285/50/20 Nitto Terra Grapplers fitted to their D4 or D3?
Thks

[Celtoid]

LRD414 & Diesel,


Sorry for the delay guys I don't get on the forum much these days, so only just noticed your request.


I've PM'd both of you the Tyre Guy details.


Kev.

[TerryO]

I just had to take the car back to Austral Land Rover and have them re-programme the computer settings on the transmission to compensate for the change from 19' to 20'.....this is crucial, otherwise the gearbox will shudder and of course the speedo is out. my next set of Tyres (Tires for the Yanks) will be the same, Nitto's again!!

Brgds Paul
MY13 Discovery 4 SE SDV6, with every possible LR Option available


Never heard before of the gearbox needing to be reprogrammed because of a change of rim size.
Yes a larger diameter size tyre can change the speedo's accuracy but in general most people only go up one size in tyres and that actually makes the speedo more accurate than less.