Blown Turbo

[nickf]

MY10 rrs started to blow smoke and using oil.
Drivers side turbo blown body off to replace.
Quoted two prices for turbo $2200 and $4500 the cheaper price was for a factory reconditioned unit although the dealer didn't mention this in fact two dealers didn't offer the brand new part?
There seems to be some modifications that have to be carried out when fitting the turbo, making an expensive job even more so
A classic piece of British engineering, shame they are such nice cars.


Nick

[Graeme]

Do you know if the modified turbo oil drain had been fitted? If not then I have to wonder if the original convoluted drain contributed to or even caused the failure. If the modification being done now is the fitting of the new drain direct to the sump then obviously it hadn't previously been done.

[nickf]

Hi Graeme

They are fitting the drain to the sump
I thought it strange that this had to be done.
Was this problem with this model?

Nick

[Graeme]

The 3.0 was built with a scavenger pump for the drain from the 2nd turbo. Jaguar dispensed with this after having troubles with oil not getting away quickly enough under some circumstances that resulted in lots of burnt oil to varying degrees. LR initially retained the use of the scavenger pump that also resulted in lots of replaced turbos, sometimes several on the same vehicle blaming faulty turbo seals but eventually capitulated and started fitting the direct drain to new vehicles and to those where the owners complained of an oil burning issue.

My 3.0 D4's original turbo had already been replaced due to oil accumulation and burning after the 2nd turbo hadn't been used for a while but the problems started again after warranty expired. I started to push for another warranty replacement because the original problem returned but buying the kit and fitting it myself cost me less money, time and hassles, although not a quick task and moreso due to everything being covered in dirt. Of note was the significant volume of oil in the original drain pipe when it was removed to fit the new one.

[Ferret]

... but eventually capitulated and started fitting the direct drain to new vehicles and to those where the owners complained of an oil burning issue.

What year did LR first start to fit the direct drain to new vehicles?

[Graeme]

2013 perhaps?

[dazray]

Is this a problem waiting to happen for all 3.0l engines?
I have a MY11 D4 SE.

[NTB]

Hello All,

I have a MY11 SDV6 SE and had some oil usage issues.
I had it serviced a couple of weeks ago and they said,
"Turbo drain pipe was blocked and leaking, removed and replaced"
I hope it was replaced with the new Drain Design.

NTB

[Celtoid]

The 3.0 was built with a scavenger pump for the drain from the 2nd turbo. Jaguar dispensed with this after having troubles with oil not getting away quickly enough under some circumstances that resulted in lots of burnt oil to varying degrees. LR initially retained the use of the scavenger pump that also resulted in lots of replaced turbos, sometimes several on the same vehicle blaming faulty turbo seals but eventually capitulated and started fitting the direct drain to new vehicles and to those where the owners complained of an oil burning issue.

My 3.0 D4's original turbo had already been replaced due to oil accumulation and burning after the 2nd turbo hadn't been used for a while but the problems started again after warranty expired. I started to push for another warranty replacement because the original problem returned but buying the kit and fitting it myself cost me less money, time and hassles, although not a quick task and moreso due to everything being covered in dirt. Of note was the significant volume of oil in the original drain pipe when it was removed to fit the new one.


I lost count on my MY10 ... at least three turbo changes in the first 18 months or so .... but then it was sweet after that until I sold it at 4.5 years old.


Having a MY13 now, I was hoping this issue has been well sorted. Fingers crossed.

[JamesH]

I've had a number 2 turbo replaced and that was after the drain upgrade failed to do the job. This was noted by the dealer incidentally, after the drain upgrade I was satisfied. So it has been done and all is good but I hear of multiple failings and this is the one issue that makes me tempted to pay the stupid price for the extended warranty.

[Graeme]

Is this a problem waiting to happen for all 3.0l engines?
I have a MY11 D4 SE.Both my original and the replacement turbos were good initially but later allowed oil to accumulate in the inlet tract, probably as the bearings lost their initial tightness and could no longer contain the oil that didn't drain away quickly enough.

The revised drain kit cost me $154 last August (perhaps discounted) so cheap enough as a precaution except that I have no feel for the cost to fit it. It only guarantees that oil cannot pool in the drain and that an ineffective scavenger pump cannot interfere with the ability of the oil to drain.

[Graeme]

MY10 rrs started to blow smoke and using oil.
Drivers side turbo blown body off to replace.Its a pity the revised drain wasn't fitted before doing anything else to see if it cured the problem.

[Meccles]

SWMBO RRS is going in next week 2013 car SDV6 20000k starting to blow smoke on start up. And no modified drain was not fitted when car was supplified. Typical poor effort on LR part.

[TerryO]

I'm not expecting to many turbo problems with the D4 I just purchased .... ;):angel:

[Graeme]

Hey Terry, how about we stick a couple on to give it some torque?

[Greatsouthernland]

Hmmm MY14 D4 SDV6 5000km, used 400ml oil.

What does anyone make of this?:(

[Greatsouthernland]

Hey Terry, how about we stick a couple on to give it some torque?

:D Nice.... :thumbsup::Rolling:

[TerryO]

:D Nice.... :thumbsup::Rolling:

Really! ... So how is that excess oil consumption going on your brand new twin turbo? ... ;)

[Blue C]

Hmmm MY14 D4 SDV6 5000km, used 400ml oil.

What does anyone make of this?:(

My MY14 SDV6 has just done 5000km too and just checked oil level today- it's 2 "notches" from the top of the "gauge". Haven't topped it up but I guess that could easily be 400mls. I was a little surprised as well. David

[Celtoid]

Hmmm MY14 D4 SDV6 5000km, used 400ml oil.

What does anyone make of this?:(


My MY13 SDV6 dropped a couple of notches or more by 5000 but doesn't seemed to have used any since. It's only done 9000 but by the original measure it should have dropped another couple.


Eyes open I suppose.

[Epic pooh]

(serious question) Terry, have they changed the design of the top bleeder hose set and valve on the 5.0 ? The design of that <expletive> thing on the 4.4 is a disaster waiting to happen.

[TerryO]

Haven't seen under the bonnet of a 4.4 for a couple of years so have nothing to compare it too Mick to know.
I know one thing, it will be a pain trying to fit a second battery under the bonnet with two air intakes taking up so much room.

Must admit I'm blown away at how frugal the 5.0 is under normal country driving and how bloody quick it is if you put the foot to the floor, obviously not as quick as the wife's 6.2 litre Senator but still very impressive. As for torque, sure its no diesel but it still has plenty of grunt. We towed a large enclosed tandem trailer to Canberra and back yesterday and the fuel consumption went up by 1.5 litres per hundred and that was with cruise set at 110kph.

Anyway each to their own on what power plant they prefer, I have no intention of getting rid of the diesel D3 even though it costs a small fortune to keep maintained.

[Greatsouthernland]

Really! ... So how is that excess oil consumption going on your brand new twin turbo? ... ;)

Aw c'mon, as if you really care :p



I'm not expecting to (sic) many turbo problems with the D4 I just purchased .... ;):angel:

But seriously, I'll find out this week and share the outcome, cos I like to help others :angel:

[TerryO]

My friend my comments were followed by the emoticons that showed the intent of each comment and that I was joking.

So no need to make it personal, because I wasn't.

Good luck with your new purchase I hope the oil consumption issue ends up being nothing more than a running in quirk of the new 3.0.

If not and your quick and lucky you can always trade it in and get the last new V8 petrol D4 left in the country. ... ;)

[Epic pooh]

Terry, would you like me to post a pic of the offending component in situ sometime for reference ? Failure of this component on the 4.4 is not uncommon (I've lost one with no damage, Gossamer lost one which took out head gaskets and there are plenty of other reports on the webs). I'd hope they'd have changed it because it's a cluster of a design, but it would be interesting to know.

As I've said plenty of times in the past, for a big powerful heavy vehicle, the economy of the V8 is surprisingly acceptable. It may have something to do with all those effortless killawasps !

[Greatsouthernland]

My friend my comments were followed by the emoticons that showed the intent of each comment and that I was joking.

So no need to make it personal, because I wasn't. :rolleyes: :angel:

My friend, similarly nothing personal :p just giving it back :(:(

I'm sure it will be fine. It's only a $100k car after all, could've been worse ;) see using emoticons makes the comment all warm and fuzzy, gotta love those emoticons, Putin should've put them on the end of his letter of trade sanctions :angel: :cool: then we'd know it wasn't personal ;)
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[TerryO]

Terry, would you like me to post a pic of the offending component in situ sometime for reference ? Failure of this component on the 4.4 is not uncommon (I've lost one with no damage, Gossamer lost one which took out head gaskets and there are plenty of other reports on the webs). I'd hope they'd have changed it because it's a cluster of a design, but it would be interesting to know.


If you want to pm me a pic I'll check it out otherwise I'll ask the question this week Mick and find out.

[101RRS]

We towed a large enclosed tandem trailer to Canberra and back yesterday and the fuel consumption went up by 1.5 litres per hundred and that was with cruise set at 110kph.


Was that you broken down in Tuggers yesterday afternoon - a enclosed tandem trailer with either a FB Holden or an American equivalent inside - could only see some fins as I went past - I didn't see a stainless steel fridge towing though.

Garry

[Meken]

Hey Terry, how about we stick a couple on to give it some torque?


Now you are talking 5L forced induction ..... Why not strap on a supercharger too? Gotta love that supercharger whine ;)

[jwhampson]

Hi, The turbo actuator for my 2009 RRS 2.7TDV6 has failed and requires a new turbo, quoted a price of $3600 for a new replacement plus fitting.

Can anyone advise if the oil drain modification for the D4 second turbo mentioned above is also relevant to the 2.7 single turbo?

I tow a large caravan and I am thinking of getting an EGT sender installed so that I can monitor turbo temperatures on long hill climbs - any suggestions?
MY2009 RRS 2.7TDV6

[Fatso]

Hi, The turbo actuator for my 2009 RRS 2.7TDV6 has failed and requires a new turbo, quoted a price of $3600 for a new replacement plus fitting.

Can anyone advise if the oil drain modification for the D4 second turbo mentioned above is also relevant to the 2.7 single turbo?

I tow a large caravan and I am thinking of getting an EGT sender installed so that I can monitor turbo temperatures on long hill climbs - any suggestions?
MY2009 RRS 2.7TDV6


On the UK disco 3 site there is info on freeing up the actuator on the turbo , apparently it gets stuck and can freed up so it works again , might be worth checking out .

[Greatsouthernland]

Really! ... So how is that excess oil consumption going on your brand new twin turbo? ... ;)

Update for the high torque diesel :cool: D4 owners. Good news, no oil used, actually slightly overfilled :(

Oil was dropped and measured...

This has been an interesting journey, every LR person has given me a different interpretation of what is 'normal', best one was from service yesterday who said its normal to see 100ml used per 1000km :eek: now I'm nervous cos mine is 'producing' oil.

Seems the electronic gauge is a bit iffy, maybe.

[Graeme]

Seems the electronic gauge is a bit iffy, maybe.Annoyingly iffy! Mine's very inconsistant in the required wait times to get a steady reading.

[Celtoid]

Update for the high torque diesel :cool: D4 owners. Good news, no oil used, actually slightly overfilled :(

Oil was dropped and measured...

This has been an interesting journey, every LR person has given me a different interpretation of what is 'normal', best one was from service yesterday who said its normal to see 100ml used per 1000km :eek: now I'm nervous cos mine is 'producing' oil.

Seems the electronic gauge is a bit iffy, maybe.


By any chance does your car have a Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) fitted to the exhaust?


If so, expect to never see the need for an oil top up, as cars with these fitted 'produce' oil! Well, they don't actually ... the oil gets diluted with fuel, keeping the volume high.

[Greatsouthernland]

By any chance does your car have a Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) fitted to the exhaust?


If so, expect to never see the need for an oil top up, as cars with these fitted 'produce' oil! Well, they don't actually ... the oil gets diluted with fuel, keeping the volume high.

G'day Celtoid,

Happy to report no DPF.

Sorted that out on this thread: http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/150379-dpf.html

Cheers ;)