Stop, think, respect...

[Homestar]

This is a great ad campain going on at the moment.
'The Invisible Discriminator' - Stop. Think. Respect. - YouTube

[Bytemrk]

Wow Gav,

Thank you... I agree great campaign... hope it gets the exposure it deserves.

[Homestar]

It's getting a decent run on FTA TV at the moment.

[Debacle]

It's a good message but only those with open minds will understand it. The target audience won't give a **** and carry on as before.

[Mick_Marsh]

The fellow on the bus looks like Henry Winkler.

[Homestar]

It's a good message but only those with open minds will understand it. The target audience won't give a **** and carry on as before.

Unfortunately you may be right there, but if it opens just a few more minds to how small actions or words can have a negative impact on others, then it's worth it.

[bob10]

Unfortunately you may be right there, but if it opens just a few more minds to how small actions or words can have a negative impact on others, then it's worth it.


Agree entirely. Bob

[Blknight.aus]

Two way street. I'm happy to reciprocate, but they need to display the qualities the expect to receive first.

Key example.(s)

Abusing me and pulling the race card just because I've refused to give you a ciggy probably has less to do with any attribute you have that I can discriminate against and more to do with the fact that I'm a non smoker.

Yes, she might have been hot and I might have been perving but walking up and demanding I buy you a drink when I'm buying my mates a round in the pub, it's not the skin tone that put me off, it was the attitude. You don't then get kicked out of the same pub by the bouncer because youre black, that was because you were drunk and making a scene.

[Redback]

Two way street. I'm happy to reciprocate, but they need to display the qualities the expect to receive first.

Key example.(s)

Abusing me and pulling the race card just because I've refused to give you a ciggy probably has less to do with any attribute you have that I can discriminate against and more to do with the fact that I'm a non smoker.

Yes, she might have been hot and I might have been perving but walking up and demanding I buy you a drink when I'm buying my mates a round in the pub, it's not the skin tone that put me off, it was the attitude. You don't then get kicked out of the same pub by the bouncer because youre black, that was because you were drunk and making a scene.

Who's they Dave:confused:

Generalising is one of the key aspects of rasism, as soon as this disapears, racism will, probably not all racism, most of it..

Baz.

[460cixy]

Heaps better then that stupid ad with Adam goodes

[nugge t]

It works both ways and respect is earned not given.

I listen to 98.9FM the indigenous radio station for its country music and they consistently talk about "black fellas" and "white fellas" and then run ads of school kids complaining to their parents about discrimination at school!

[djam1]

Noel Fullerton back in the 80s coined a phrase that it was a dirt bar not a color bar. (picture the Riverside pub in Alice Springs)
I think he was right
Some of my best and dearest friends are black fellas
Don't care about the color of your skin more about the attitude of your heart.
Plenty of bogan white fellas around
The race card just doesn't work in my environs much to the frustration of those that wish to pull it.

[Gerokent]

It works both ways and respect is earned not given.

I listen to 98.9FM the indigenous radio station for its country music and they consistently talk about "black fellas" and "white fellas" and then run ads of school kids complaining to their parents about discrimination at school!

I am always wondering why "black fella and white fella" are thought of as racist terms.

[Blknight.aus]

Who's they Dave:confused:


Anyone human with a pulse and over the age of born.

[nugge t]

I am always wondering why "black fella and white fella" are thought of as racist terms.

So do I as I am not offended if some one calls me a white fella but I am pretty sure it isn't viewed that way from the other direction. Of course it is OK if they use it or sommeone they approve of uses it so obviously it isn't a black and white rule :D:D

[Tombie]

I am always wondering why "black fella and white fella" are thought of as racist terms.

My thoughts too...

No different to "Big fella", "Short fella", "Tall fella", "Blonde fella"

If someone asked you to describe me an apt description would be "Tall, Fat, Loud, tattooed, balding white fella" :cool:


I take everyone on their merits, a good person is a good person regardless of colour, race or creed.

My workplace is melting pot of races and backgrounds - my work colleague is from Zimbabwe, my Mine Engineer is Indian, The short term engineer is Indonesian. The pit boss is from PNG.

Add to that a mix of religious beliefs... Hindu, Moslem, Christian etc...

And yet we all get along comfortably...

Interestingly its the individuals from O/S who have remarked that "when in Rome" one should make the effort to embrace the environment. We all just get along - no segregation or racism...

[Chucaro]

I am always wondering why "black fella and white fella" are thought of as racist terms.

I agree with you, I come from a country where people with black hair and dark eyes and white skin are called negro or negra by relatives and friends and never in a depreciate way.
That was one of the reasons why one Uruguayan soccer player got in trouble in Uk and judged as racists for call the french player negro.
The funny thing is that the Uruguayan player is called negro by his family in his country.
We have thousands of black people in Uruguay and there is music that call them negros and many of that lyrics are composed by them.

[Redback]

And everyone here may be right, but sadly in the general population it's not that way and this is why these ads have to run, yes racism runs both way, but unfortunately our indigenous brothers get more of a hard time, as it's more wide spread in the community.

It may not seem much, and everyone has done it, looking away, avoiding eye contact if someone looks at you and if it's done to you, it can be a strange feeling, everyone reacts differently, some may just say **** you, some get offended, what if you were treated like this every day.

Adam goodes, (and all the other indigenous players) he gets racially abused every match, he's even been abused by Swans fans, why do people do that, most don't even know him, I'll never understand any of it.

If you're going to dislike someone, at least get to know them, and that goes for anyone, black, white, purple, Pommie:p

Baz.

[jonesfam]

White Fella & Black Fella are used often & non offensively in Doomadgee.
Part of the problem is that was does not offend in 1 area may do so in another.
NQ Aboriginals don't like been called, in general, "a Murray" or "a Coorie" but don't mind been called a Black Fella.
Even here with people that have known me over 20 years I still get the occasional bit of the so called Race Card pulled on me but it is very rare & pretty much only when people have had a few.
99.9% of the time we get on just like any other town, there are people I like, people I respect, people who are friends, people I don't like & people I think are just a waste of air.
I can't say what they truly think of me but after being away for a couple of years most of the town seemed very pleased & happy to see me back & they are all disappointed that my wife is not moving back to live here, on her 1 short visit so far she was nearly cuddled to death.
Over the years I have been abused, attacked, assaulted & given a hard time but by a very small number of people either drunk or breaking into the store.
When working in totally European towns I have been abused, assaulted, had a shot gun pointed at me, punched out by a staff member (very quickly EX staff member) & every thing else by both drunk & sober people.
Several years ago there was a major riot going on here (the reasons are complicated) & I had to go down to the store during the night for an alarm call, on the way I walked into a large, agitated group of people carrying all sorts of sticks & weapons. I thought I was in DEEP POO! But as soon as they realised who it was 1 yelled out "It's the storekeeper, we got no problem with him." & they just headed off, as they went a few said hello & that they would not touch the store.


There are a lot of problems here & most are not caused by the people who live here & a lot go back to the very start of Doomadgee & the Mission system. I could list them all & the reasons as I see them but that would be a very long post. But, they are not caused by racism.
It's just the same as anywhere really, except I enjoy being here a lot more.
Jonesfam

[nugge t]

Adam goodes, (and all the other indigenous players) he gets racially abused every match,

Baz.

That is a very big call these days and I don't believe it is true. The footy codes in general have clamped right down on it and whilst there maybe the odd incident in the heat of battle I think you are doing the codes and all other players a huge injustice.

I am pretty sure that if it was the case, Goodes would be the first one to speak out given he did when abused by a young girl, very publicly.

Personally as an AFL fan I would like to see him stop taking dives though :D

[rovercare]

People need thicker skins, load of rubbish this political correct BS

Abo's are abo's, big deal.....and I'm part abo

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will cause me to have a conniption, give me depression and allow me to play the victim:p

I work in a workplace where we train a Papuan national workforce, here we have Aussies, Americans, English, Phillipino, Malay, Indian, Norweigian, German just off hand and there is plenty of jest about each others backgrounds, we would be run off the job if it was in PC Australia, its a complete joke

Stop being so delicate:D

[Rurover]

Interesting discussion, and I agree with most of what's been said.

I think the point of the advert campaign is to stop people form generalising when they meet or deal with an aboriginal person.
ie DON'T apply stereotypes to anyone who's black...they're all individuals with the same strengths and weaknesses as all of us.

Just because of the colour of their skin we should not make assumptions about what sort of a person they are.
While the adverts may not work on the dedicated racists, it will hopefully work on younger people who are not yet set in their ways.

Alan

[rovercare]

And everyone here may be right, but sadly in the general population it's not that way and this is why these ads have to run, yes racism runs both way, but unfortunately our indigenous brothers get more of a hard time, as it's more wide spread in the community.


Baz.

Don't forget about the more opportunity!

Ever seen the list of benefits you are entitled to as an aboriginal? my Aunty, is now an "aunty" to the family tribe up near bendigo, the benefits are unreal, how about minimum manning levels for indigienous Australians on a lot of projects both mining and gas/oil

4% home loan anyone? yea, not that great now with rates as low as they are, but when they are up there, its a pretty good opportunity I reckon

There is incentive schemes, benefits, opportunities everywhere for indigenous Australians....they just need to be willing to take them...

[Redback]

Don't forget about the more opportunity!

Ever seen the list of benefits you are entitled to as an aboriginal? my Aunty, is now an "aunty" to the family tribe up near bendigo, the benefits are unreal, how about minimum manning levels for indigienous Australians on a lot of projects both mining and gas/oil

4% home loan anyone? yea, not that great now with rates as low as they are, but when they are up there, its a pretty good opportunity I reckon

There is incentive schemes, benefits, opportunities everywhere for indigenous Australians....they just need to be willing to take them...

Ask yourself why these schemes are set up, like all schemes are, because their opportunities are less than others, they are not just set up for the hell of it or because they are aboriginal and like everyone, some take advantage of these schemes, black and white.

[nugge t]

They are also in addition to all of the normal benefits available.

98.9 FM have also been running a campaign against making english the first language and making kids go to school. That will help them close the gap!

Sorry but the effort needs to come from BOTH sides.

[bob10]

Abusing me and pulling the race card just because I've refused to give you a ciggy probably has less to do with any attribute you have that I can discriminate against and more to do with the fact that I'm a non smoker.




Didn't drop into Bagot Rd Pub, by chance? Drunks are drunks, black, white or brindle. You want to see a real Zoo? Darwin Workers Club. Worth it just for the side show. Or was.

[Blknight.aus]

Didn't drop into Bagot Rd Pub, by chance? Drunks are drunks, black, white or brindle. You want to see a real Zoo? Darwin Workers Club. Worth it just for the side show. Or was.

I'm in the hotspot now, and unfortunately the two examples I gave happened on sequential days. And forgive my lack of subtly here but the two people in question were more than adequately on the white side of the black line and in my opinion were the exact kind of idiots that will derail the efforts of all the good will that those sort of add campaigns can generate. And to paraphrase redback

There are some that take advantage of these thongs black and white.

[incisor]

They are also in addition to all of the normal benefits available.

98.9 FM have also been running a campaign against making english the first language and making kids go to school. That will help them close the gap!

Sorry but the effort needs to come from BOTH sides.

don't you hate it when they sprout ideology instead of whats really needed ;)

[jonesfam]

They are also in addition to all of the normal benefits available.

98.9 FM have also been running a campaign against making english the first language and making kids go to school. That will help them close the gap!

Sorry but the effort needs to come from BOTH sides.



have a read of the Forrest Report.

[boa]

The only person who allows you to be offended buy what is said to you, is you. It is your problem, rise above it.

[rovercare]

The only person who allows you to be offended buy what is said to you, is you. It is your problem, rise above it.

Exactly, its merely a choice to be offended or not, people should be taught coping skills not cotton wool and then the do gooders that like to have their righteous say about racism, go volunteer in some indigenous communities and see what its all about;)

[rovercare]

Who's they Dave:confused:

Generalising is one of the key aspects of rasism, as soon as this disapears, racism will, probably not all racism, most of it..

Baz.


Ask yourself why these schemes are set up, like all schemes are, because their opportunities are less than others, they are not just set up for the hell of it or because they are aboriginal and like everyone, some take advantage of these schemes, black and white.

So your a supporter of all government incentive schemes? you think they all serve a good purpose? haha

Abororiginal opportunities, atleast in the trade/mining/gas/oil industries are far greater than those whom are not indigenous actually, also the same for Northern australia, in regards to rangers jobs, police jobs etc, lots of opportunity......lots of excuses too....just like most all humans

I think they are the same people you are referring to?:p

[AndyG]

I think your all a pack of bastards, but I love you all.
It's not what said, it's how it's said.

I have a bunch of bougainvilians working for me, who are as black as a tin of Nugget, oh sorry nugget, tin of kiwi boot polish, oh buggy.

Anyhow they refer to as other pngs as red skins pale skins etc, yesterday one said the pale guy over there, probably darker that Muhammad Ali , but go figure. Anyhow no ill will meant by the words, and I'm a Dim Dim, so go figure.

[Sitec]

In the world all cultures are different... It will never be simple as everyone is different and has their own view... I've been lucky enough to travel a lot of the world, and worked for 18 months in Africa before coming to Oz.. Until I'd 'got out' and seen the world, I had a very naive view. Things like 'their different' and 'them and us' were often heard within tour groups on the trucks, and I initially thought nothing of it. Having then lived in Africa for a while where life became normal and being called a Mzungu (Swahili word for white fella) everything was seen as normal and I used to get so irritated with the attitudes of passengers on the truck. I now look at everyone as the same as me, just from a different part of the world. Be it Aboriginal, African, Asian or whatever, we are all the same. We just need to educate the folk who have a small picture of the world that we are all in fact the same!!! Oh, and by the way... I'm an Irish White Fella or Mzungu and I'm happy with being called that! After all, thats what I am!!!! As for the discussion here.. well, IMO its made a whole lot harder tho due to religion...... And that in itself is another argument!! :)

[Timj]

I think the problem of racism is not the words used but the intention or meaning that the individual puts into them. It is an assumption that someone is less than you based on their race or colour or place of origin. This is not something that can be legislated against by trying to control the language we use because the language is not the problem it is a symptom. Racism does go both ways and by trying to use positive discrimination to fix the issue we can actually make it worse because it defines a difference and creates resentment on one side and a reinforcement of the difference on the other as can be seen from the discussion so far.

What is the solution? Not really sure but it has to based on a recognition that comes through from the earliest education that all people have to be judged on their actions and not any other means. I think the freedoms we have here in this country have to be defended and we need to make people who come here from other cultures understand that we will not allow their personal freedom to be lessened but that they have no right in this country to lessen the freedom of others and that includes their own families and relatives. If the reason they want to do so is cultural or religious it doesn't matter, we don't allow people who have lived here for generations to mistreat their family, we have lots of laws that define what constitutes mistreatment, and we should not allow new arrivals to do so either. This should be something that is agreed to as a contract of behaviour for entry to the country and just like someone born here, it has to be adhered to. If an adult decides that they should cover themselves from head to toe before going out that is ok but if someone makes a child do the same or forces another adult to do the same it should not be tolerated. If someone forces physical mutilation on a child like female circumcision it should not be tolerated. These are cultural things rather than religion I believe. People come to this country because it is safe and free so they should be willing to support that.

Well, that was a bit of a rant :). Don't get involved in these discussions very often but I have too admit that this is something I feel strongly about. Treat others as you would want to be treated.

Cheers,

TimJ.

[nugge t]

don't you hate it when they sprout ideology instead of whats really needed ;)


Actually they have very little to say about what would actually solve problems just bask in being the victims as far I can see.




Tigga Bales consistently referring to Jenny Macklin as Genocide Jenny didn't help to change my impression even if I didn't agree with a all of her policies. Can you imagine the reaction if some one referred to an Aboriginal elder in such a disrespectful way.

[Bigbjorn]

In Danish, the proper noun for a black African person is "niger". So anyone who got precious about the "n" word in Denmark would quite puzzle the Danes.