OK Fess up, you convicts

[bob10]

I'm saying nothing, Bob


http://gutenberg.net.au/convicts.txt

[V8Ian]

Have you been on the canecutters' cordial Bob? :confused:

[Kevin B]

I have a relo on that list..

[bob10]

Have you been on the canecutters' cordial Bob? :confused:


Scroll down past the gibberish, I don't know how to get rid of it. There is a list of names there. Bob

[wrinklearthur]

Had a look at the list, wrong list my secret is safe.
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[Greatsouthernland]

Saw some relatives of a few modern day crooks :D ... Bond :eek: Brown :eek: Bryant :eek: A lot of the Jones family, 8 of them, but no Alan :angel: Palmer :eek:

Kelly, Thomas :eek: was that Ned's dad?

No relatives I could see, but SA was the only state not settled by convicts... Understandable :angel:

[bob10]

The first Fleet, Wikipedia gives a good description of each ship, & passengers names, plus crimes of the convicts. Follow the links, Bob


The First Fleet (http://gutenberg.net.au/first-fleet.html)


The Wiki site [ from the link at the bottom of the wiki page on HMS Sirius


HMS Sirius 1788 (http://www.historyaustralia.org.au/twconvic/tiki-index.php?page=HMS+Sirius+1788)

[Bigbjorn]

Saw some relatives of a few modern day crooks :D ... Bond :eek: Brown :eek: Bryant :eek: A lot of the Jones family, 8 of them, but no Alan :angel: Palmer :eek:

Kelly, Thomas :eek: was that Ned's dad?

No relatives I could see, but SA was the only state not settled by convicts... Understandable :angel:

Alan's rellie was probably lurking around the latrines.

[DiscoMick]

Be proud.
A society that transported people for stealing food when they were hungry had a lot of problems. Just proves the whole idea of deterring crime by imposing extreme punishments doesn't work.
I could say more, but I don't want to get political.

[kogvos]

One on that list is a relative of mine. The other was a Marine.

[Greatsouthernland]

Be proud.
A society that transported people for stealing food when they were hungry had a lot of problems. Just proves the whole idea of deterring crime by imposing extreme punishments doesn't work.
I could say more, but I don't want to get political.

Hi Disco, interesting concept you have there...

Stealing clothes OK when yours are getting overused, stealing petrol when you've run out, stealing drugs cos you NEED them, stealing things to sell cos you have no money etc

Where do WE draw the line?

Yes people do desperate things in desperate times, not all of these convicts stole food, and of those that did, they were hardly on deaths door...in fact there were different reasons why some stole food, to assume that ALL food stealing was for 'survival of the species' is (in my humble opinion) generalising and perhaps trivialising.

Long bow.... But I'm probably the only one who sees it this way, so sorry about that :D ... Yeh I know, easy for me to have an opinion, I wasn't there. I admit, everyone did it tough in the good old days...no iPads, maccas or air conditioned shopping centres etc. :( actually sounds quite inviting...

Interestingly, 'extreme punishment' in the end was actually a 'blessing in disguise' :)
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[bob10]

One on that list is a relative of mine. The other was a Marine.


Yes, our Nation was born with the help of Sailors, & Marines. I have a pommy mate, ex RM WO.2, he used to be insufferable, but when I told him this, he became unbearable. Only bought under control when I reminded him who did the whipping, with the cat. Still my mate, though. Lobsters, can't live with them, can't live without them. Bob

[Andrew D]

One of my relatives (female who worked in the post office) was sent to Oz as convict for "secreting a letter".

Probably an insider for a Tabloid?

Pardoned (excused) on arrival.

Regards
Andrew

[3toes]

Yes, our Nation was born with the help of Sailors, & Marines. I have a pommy mate, ex RM WO.2, he used to be insufferable, but when I told him this, he became unbearable. Only bought under control when I reminded him who did the whipping, with the cat. Still my mate, though. Lobsters, can't live with them, can't live without them. Bob


You might like to point out to your friend that the marines also staged a coup. This resulted in them being sent home in disgrace and replaced by the army.

[Ausfree]

None of my rello's there. We are latecomers, ancestors first sailed out in 1870 as freesettlers.:)

[TerryO]

I reckon that's why the Wallabies are so average Bob, maybe there is to much undernourished convict blood in the team. ... :p:angel:;)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Interesting how common the name "Ditto" was as a given name back then?

I haven't met anyone called Ditto in my whole life! :angel:

[DiscoMick]

Basically, we're here because the British decided to export their 'problem of the poor' so they wouldn't have to support all the people they'd locked up to defend their class-driven privileges.
It turned out to be a good thing for many of those people of course, as others have said, but it was still an admission of failure in that the English leadership wouldn't develop a society which could have supported everyone, rather than just the privileged.
Threats of extreme punishment are meaningless when you're starving and you see a loaf of bread apparently needing a friend. We'll be reminded of this truth if the current government succeeds in cutting the dole off for six months in every year, as street crime and break-ins will soar because people will be desperate to survive, since there aren't enough jobs for them all.
Maybe we could copy the English example and export them - I see we already have camps on Nauru and Manus Island.
My opinion, of course...

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Not only the problem of the poor, but export their Irish political prisoners. A disproportionate number of the convicts were victims of dispossession in Ireland.

Sometimes I think I know a few convicts, particularly when there are shackle marks around their ankles, but it may also be some sort of kinky sex! :twisted:

[AndyG]

Rum, sodomy & the lash, apparently some people enjoy that sort of thing,

me

rather be a convict :p

[KarlB]

While no relatives on Bob's list, that I am aware of, I do have two convict ancestors that ended up in Hobart Town: Caroline Lewis in 1830 (sentenced to Life for stealing a pair of stays and a handkerchief, though it was her second offence); and John Richards in 1823 (sentenced to 7 years for stealing a bolt of cloth, he was a tailor).

Cheers
KarlB
:)

[Redback]

None there from my family, being first generation myself.

BUT

I'd like to thank the English for sending this chap:BigThumb::twobeers:

Squires James Kingston 11 April 1785

Baz.

[The ho har's]

Without going through my Dads family tree, I am not sure if my relatives are on that particular list. Though my Dad has copies of the pardon papers of a female and a male convict. And I am dam proud to be a ?? generation Aussie:D With a little Irish, Scottish and English thrown in:)

Mrs hh:angel:

[bob10]

I reckon that's why the Wallabies are so average Bob, maybe there is to much undernourished convict blood in the team. ... :p:angel:;)


Good one, And that is why we hold more world records than just about anyone , for just about any thing, especially beer drinking on an aeroplane flying to England for a cricket match. Must have been NZ beer.
:p

[Hall]

Well I know that I`m from Tassy and a very old family. There is a Barrett on the list which just happens to be my natural sir name as apposed to my adopted sir name. But my adopted family also has a long history, supported by proof with a family bible with a family tree in it. The family tree goes back about two hundred years or so. No mention of convicts though.
Cheers Hall
Ps does any one know Ben Hall ?

[bob10]

You might like to point out to your friend that the marines also staged a coup. This resulted in them being sent home in disgrace and replaced by the army.


He would not listen. Royal Marines are stubborn folk. I'm glad they are on our side. However, the Scots that took their place, I can relate to, having a Scots ancestor , which I have told my RM mate, his retort is " Your ancestor wore a dress!!!? Gotta love it, Bob

[AndyG]

Without going through my Dads family tree, I am not sure if my relatives are on that particular list. Though my Dad has copies of the pardon papers of a female and a male convict. And I am dam proud to be a ?? generation Aussie:D With a little Irish, Scottish and English thrown in:)

Mrs hh:angel:

And they still own the first car bought by their ancestors :wasntme:

[TerryO]

Good one, And that is why we hold more world records than just about anyone , for just about any thing, especially beer drinking on an aeroplane flying to England for a cricket match. Must have been NZ beer.
:p

Actually Bob I wouldn't wish Kiwi beer on anyone, I reckon half the reason the All Blacks are that good is if they could stomach that vile rubbish they could just about face anything and or anyone.

[bob10]

Actually Bob I wouldn't wish Kiwi beer on anyone, I reckon half the reason the All Blacks are that good is if they could stomach that vile rubbish they could just about face anything and or anyone.


The All Blacks are good because they have a great Rugby culture, great depth, both in talent and structure, and have successfully tapped into the vibrant Polynesian population. Took us a long time to wake up. And we have. Bob

[The ho har's]

And they still own the first car bought by their ancestors :wasntme:

nice thought though, Beside my uncle there are NO landy owners in the family

Mrs hh:angel:

[jimr1]

Well I know that I`m from Tassy and a very old family. There is a Barrett on the list which just happens to be my natural sir name as apposed to my adopted sir name. But my adopted family also has a long history, supported by proof with a family bible with a family tree in it. The family tree goes back about two hundred years or so. No mention of convicts though.
Cheers Hall
Ps does any one know Ben Hall ?
I know a Ben Hall , owns an old Holden Monaro !!..

[jimr1]

Rum, sodomy & the lash, apparently some people enjoy that sort of thing,

me

rather be a convict :p
I don't mind the Rum bit , as for the sodomy , and lash never fancied either , cheers Jim !!...

[bob10]

You might like to point out to your friend that the marines also staged a coup. This resulted in them being sent home in disgrace and replaced by the army.


Sure you are not thinking of the RUM Corps? An interesting story, in its own right, Bob [ I like the old photos of Sydney Cove]
1808 Rum Rebellion | State Library of New South Wales (http://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/discover_collections/history_nation/terra_australis/rebellion/)




Wikipedia has more on Bligh.

[TerryO]

The All Blacks are good because they have a great Rugby culture, great depth, both in talent and structure, and have successfully tapped into the vibrant Polynesian population. Took us a long time to wake up. And we have. Bob


Yeah but our Polys are better than your Polys. ...:tease::tease::tease::tease:

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Sure you are not thinking of the RUM Corps? An interesting story, in its own right, Bob [ I like the old photos of Sydney Cove]
1808 Rum Rebellion | State Library of New South Wales (http://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/discover_collections/history_nation/terra_australis/rebellion/)




Wikipedia has more on Bligh.My alma mata was a hospital that was originally built on rum taxes (or rather instead of taxes). The north wing is now the NSW Parliament House and the South wing the old mint building.

If you look at the coat of arms, you will see the Australian White-breasted Sea-eagle with a rum barrel in its tallons.

[bob10]

Yeah but our Polys are better than your Polys. ...:tease::tease::tease::tease:


:lol2: Love it. ! Bob

[bob10]

My alma mata was a hospital that was originally built on rum taxes (or rather instead of taxes). The north wing is now the NSW Parliament House and the South wing the old mint building.

If you look at the coat of arms, you will see the Australian White-breasted Sea-eagle with a rum barrel in its tallons.


That is just so good. On so many levels. Nothing wrong with our sense of humour, Bob

[bob10]

Have a look at Sydney cove, [ Circular Quay] just as it must have been on day one. Some interesting stories from First Fleet journals, click on the link, Bob


Tales from the First Fleet | State Library of New South Wales (http://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/discover_collections/history_nation/terra_australis/tales.html)