Political correctness.

[V8Ian]

Qld MP apologises for Asian driver slur (http://www.9news.com.au/national/2014/08/28/10/52/asians-don-t-get-road-rules-qld-mp)

Does political correctness disallow the telling of the truth?

That's all poor old Vaughan's done. Admittedly, the old duffer is a left over from the Joh era and as such, never was known for his diplomacy but; he's only vocalized what we all know.

[Disco Muppet]

Disagree.

People who don't understand the road rules don't understand the road rules.
Doesn't matter where you're from, if you don't know what you're doing you're going to be a **** driver. Seen plenty of white people fall into this category.

What I WILL agree with you on is that if you expect to be able to hold a drivers license in a country where the road rules and signage are in English, you should have to have a good understanding of English.

Perhaps if obtaining a drivers license in this country was more about demonstrating a superior level of proficiency in the operation of a vehicle and a fluid and practical understanding of what constitutes both safe and correct driver habits, instead of ticking a box based on how you behave with a testing officer in the car, we wouldn't have this problem...

[sheerluck]

I knew this would be up to no good. A thread titled "Political Correctness", and the first responder is Muppet.....:D

[Disco Muppet]

I knew this would be up to no good. A thread titled "Political Correctness", and the first responder is Muppet.....:D

**** off back to ya Banana tree ya bloody Queenslander! :soapbox:
Kidding :p

[bob10]

Now, neither tree nor shrub, but magical herb, Bob [ don't try to smoke it though. Too hard to light. I heard that from my Nimbin cousin,
:angel:
According to Purdue University's Center for New Crops and Plant Products, banana plants are not trees. They are, in fact, large herbs, as they do not have a persistent or woody stem. Although a banana plant has no wooden trunk, it can reach heights of as much as 40 feet, though, making it one of the tallest herbs grown on Earth.

Read more : http://www.ehow.com/info_8078961_banana-plant-herb-shrub-tree.html (http://www.ehow.com/info_8078961_banana-plant-herb-shrub-tree.html)

[UncleHo]

So what else is new,I can remember when I was registering new vehicles at Fivedock NSW in the early 1980's seeing ethnic drivers going for their Australian licenses, with the driving school instructors asking the questions which were asked by the Tpt Dept.staff, the instructor then asked in the appliciant's language, then translating the answer in English,often the applicant would give the wrong answer,but the translation was correct ;)

My neighbour in one of the flats I lived in bought a daggy Valiant sedan(150 bucks worth) for $5000 and with it came a full license back dated 3 years :eek:

cheers

[incisor]

Disagree.

as we knew you would ;)

in my experience many are particularly bad drivers :angel:

spend an afternoon on the bribie island road and you will know exactly what i am talking of....

[Sitec]

My take on it is that if you choose to relocate from one side of the world to the other, you should be doing you're very best to become part of that country.... By following its rules, traditions, views etc.. Having migrated from Europe, I have come to Australia for a better/different life.. I chose Australia because of the 'way it is'.. I want to be a part of that.... and by buying into the country, working full time from day one, paying taxes, volunteering with a local fire brigade, paying taxes, and immersing myself in Aussie life I feel I have achieved it. I now love it, and everyone I know!

If a migrant is not prepared to migrate, and integrate, then perhaps they don't actually want to be here or belong here....... Just my view!

Long live Australia!!!! :)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Now, neither tree nor shrub, but magical herb, Bob [ don't try to smoke it though. Too hard to light. I heard that from my Nimbin cousin,
:angel:
According to Purdue University's Center for New Crops and Plant Products, banana plants are not trees. They are, in fact, large herbs, as they do not have a persistent or woody stem. Although a banana plant has no wooden trunk, it can reach heights of as much as 40 feet, though, making it one of the tallest herbs grown on Earth.

Read more : http://www.ehow.com/info_8078961_banana-plant-herb-shrub-tree.html (http://www.ehow.com/info_8078961_banana-plant-herb-shrub-tree.html)Political Botanical Correctness

Will it ever end? :wallbash:

[Disco Muppet]

as we knew you would ;)

in my experience many are particularly bad drivers :angel:

spend an afternoon on the bribie island road and you will know exactly what i am talking of....

Just doing my civic duty ;)
Far be it from me to defend excessive political correctness, my current degree exposes me to enough of it.
But what exactly did he expect? The issue isn't because the drivers are Asian, Middle Eastern, whatever.
The issue is people who refuse to make an effort to abide by the contract they agree to when they obtain a license. It's a privilege, not a right, and should be treated as such.

[Basil135]

So what else is new,I can remember when I was registering new vehicles at Fivedock NSW in the early 1980's seeing ethnic drivers going for their Australian licenses, with the driving school instructors asking the questions which were asked by the Tpt Dept.staff, the instructor then asked in the appliciant's language, then translating the answer in English,often the applicant would give the wrong answer,but the translation was correct ;)

My neighbour in one of the flats I lived in bought a daggy Valiant sedan(150 bucks worth) for $5000 and with it came a full license back dated 3 years :eek:

cheers


It is still happening.

Witnessed it first hand in December of last year. The applicant could not sit her written driving test, as the interpreter was running late :eek:

[Slunnie]

Just doing my civic duty ;)
Far be it from me to defend excessive political correctness, my current degree exposes me to enough of it.
But what exactly did he expect? The issue isn't because the drivers are Asian, Middle Eastern, whatever.
The issue is people who refuse to make an effort to abide by the contract they agree to when they obtain a license. It's a privilege, not a right, and should be treated as such.
Dont bother trying to explain it to a banana bender. We all know that they're too stupid to understand, although it's not particularly PC to actually mention it. Is being PC getting in the way of telling the truth? :D

See what I did there. :lol2:

[incisor]

actually we arent to stupid to know what we see on a daily basis;)

[Chucaro]

I do if it is possible now, but back in the early 70's a used car dealer in Cabramatta used to sell cars with or without the DL :eek:
Back then the DL was just a piece of paper, no photos on it.
Have to say that the car dealer involved on this was a "new rotten Australian" and I cannot understand how he managed to set up that deals when his English was limited.
People like that are the ones that have spoiled Australia. :mad:

[Gerokent]

I do if it is possible now, but back in the early 70's a used car dealer in Cabramatta used to sell cars with or without the DL :eek:
Back then the DL was just a piece of paper, no photos on it.
Have to say that the car dealer involved on this was a "new rotten Australian" and I cannot understand how he managed to set up that deals when his English was limited.
People like that are the ones that have spoiled Australia. :mad:

It's not so much the "New rotten Australians" that are wrecking the country, it's the do-gooders who are letting them get away with it.:mad:

[Bigbjorn]

A good while when I was still working in the heavy equipment business I was out with the Mrs. and kids in her Escort. At the intersection of Richlands Rd. and Ipswich Rd. we were waiting for the lights to change to turn right onto Ipswich Rd. inbound. Opposite was an Asian man in a tatty Corolla in the left lane with the left indicator flashing to turn left into Ipswich Rd. inbound. I said to the Mrs. "Watch him, he is going to turn right." The Mrs said I was bloody mad, "He is indicating left from the left lane." The lights changed and the Asian blithely turned right across our car's path. The Mrs was incredulous. "How did you know he was going to do that?". "I work out here, love. I see them every day. Most couldn't drive a nail."

[TerryO]

I have met plenty of dinky dye Aussies who can't read or write for squat and I freely admit I'm not that good at it myself. ... :angel:

Its not just immigrants that struggle with understanding the written English word and if you go into the real country areas I have seen plenty of these true blue blokes who have no idea how to drive either and would be really scary if driving in a major city.

But I guess that's another story, as for Banana benders well its simple, just ask yourself this, what kind if strange people would grow up worshipping a sickly colour that is in between red and purple?

Actually is it really a true colour like blue is or is it just a bad stain? ... :eek:

[PhilipA]

I cannot resist.
Having lived in Asia for 6 years and seen many outrageous things, I have formed an opinion that what we regard as poor asian driving is a function of the Chinese and therefore SE Asian culture.
In China , basically family is rated above all things, and if you are not family then you do not count and basically anything can be done to you without any regret.
Hence in Bangkok you would see a Chinese family home , with a high wall around it, and garbage thrown over the wall into the Soi for others to clean up , or go around. This was because it was no longer affected the family.
Similarly, a Chinese had no regrets if he took your right of way such as it was.
I remember in KL once I was waiting to turn right into my Jalan, when a Chinese woman drove around my left and deposited her car in front of my car so she could turn right first. Well I fixed that by isolating her in the middle of Jalan Ampang.
I could go on with hundreds of examples, but the overriding reason IMHO is a cultural one, that the Chinese culture is one of Us and them with no culture of community spirit or civic responsibility. This is why they will queue jump, turn without indicating, cut you off. It's not that they are bad drivers, its just that they don't care.
Regards Philip A

[incisor]

Phillip, you you wearing maroon today?

the blues will be broken hearted!

[DiscoMick]

Its got nothing to do with whether the driver is Asian, Anglo-Saxon, Lithuanian, Brazilian or Eskimo. Its about whether a person can drive safely.
I've used my international licence to drive in countries where I didn't understand the local language and couldn't read the signs, but I damm well could drive safely.
In this country, by my observation, the worst drivers are young white male hoons who think they are invincible.
One of them went through a stop sign and cleaned up a former refugee mate of mine the other night. My mate is a very cautious and careful driver and was horrified at the behavior of the young white male who rammed him, damaging the car my mate had spent three years carefully saving to buy.
Its behavior, not race, which is important.

[Greatsouthernland]

I cannot resist.
Having lived in Asia for 6 years and seen many outrageous things, I have formed an opinion that what we regard as poor asian driving is a function of the Chinese and therefore SE Asian culture.
In China , basically family is rated above all things, and if you are not family then you do not count and basically anything can be done to you without any regret.
Hence in Bangkok you would see a Chinese family home , with a high wall around it, and garbage thrown over the wall into the Soi for others to clean up , or go around. This was because it was no longer affected the family.
Similarly, a Chinese had no regrets if he took your right of way such as it was.
I remember in KL once I was waiting to turn right into my Jalan, when a Chinese woman drove around my left and deposited her car in front of my car so she could turn right first. Well I fixed that by isolating her in the middle of Jalan Ampang.
I could go on with hundreds of examples, but the overriding reason IMHO is a cultural one, that the Chinese culture is one of Us and them with no culture of community spirit or civic responsibility. This is why they will queue jump, turn without indicating, cut you off. It's not that they are bad drivers, its just that they don't care.
Regards Philip A

BS.

Whilst you are correct that family is first, theres nothing that the Chinese have copyright to there.

Saving face would over ride the actions you mention, it is actually offensive to yourself and your family to lose face by conducting the 'type' of acts you mentioned. So whilst I don't doubt they happened, its not because those people were Chinese, every culture has its selfish types. Those that saw you trap that driver would form an opinion too. I have been guilty myself of pulling a Chinese guy back through the line when he attempted to push in at a train station, the benefit of being 6'3 and 100kg plus in China, but it wouldn't look good to some who may mistake me for interfering in their customs.

The countries you lived in are not China, the Chinese are actually despised in these countries because they are successful and control disproportionate amounts of wealth through hard work and successful business management.

Also the OP may have meant Indian driver as that is also in Asia :D

None of us Aussies could drive in China, I wouldn't even try, they don't even have road rage, they actually follow common courtesy, I don't see us in the position to criticise. The simple rule of merging would stuff us all up, the car in front has right of way in China and is given right of way, not here, its beep the horn, give the finger etc.

Just my 2c.

[PhilipA]

The countries you lived in are not China,

Er Great southernland.Funny name that.

I would just like to point out that about 40% of the population of Malaysia is ethnic Chinese and have totally separate Chinese education systems.
Kuala Lumpur is estimated to have about 70- 80% ethnic Chinese population.

Similarly Bangkok has a large Chinese population but being more integrated , it is harder to estimate. I would guess maybe 50% of middle class and above.
Of course 95% of overseas Chinese originate from Guangdong Province so this may be significant regarding customs, but I don't think that they are looked down on by locals, and certainly in Guangdong they have been responsible for incredible building booms as they build mansions in their home villages.
So although I have been to China several times, up to around ten years ago, even then there really were not enough private cars to cause too much drama and cars then were very expensive comparatively to own, as one of my execs in Austrade Beijing told me. Back then it cost AUD 1300 or so to register a small car which was then a fortune to a middle class Chinese.
So maybe they value their cars more than the well established and wealthy towkay in Malaysia or Thailand. BTW it also has to do with enforcement and corruption as poor driving manners don't seem to happen in Singapore, although there again cars are a very expensive luxury .
But I still think it has lots to do with the Chinese culture of family first.
Regards Philip A

[Disco Muppet]

actually we arent to stupid to know what we see on a daily basis;)

Too*
Sorry Ron :angel:
:p

I'm not doubting that you see lots of bad driving performed by Asians. One of my mates is Asian and I've never been more frightened in my life that when I've driven with him. But he's a bad driver because he's got no common sense, not because he's Asian ;) Seen plenty of perfectly capable Asian drivers too.
But saying "I see lots of bad Asian drivers, Therefore all Asians are bad drivers/They're bad drivers because they're Asian", that's what we call a logical fallacy...
You QLD guys do know what logic is right? :p

[incisor]

Too*
Sorry Ron :angel:
:p

I'm not doubting that you see lots of bad driving performed by Asians. One of my mates is Asian and I've never been more frightened in my life that when I've driven with him. But he's a bad driver because he's got no common sense, not because he's Asian ;) Seen plenty of perfectly capable Asian drivers too.
But saying "I see lots of bad Asian drivers, Therefore all Asians are bad drivers/They're bad drivers because they're Asian", that's what we call a logical fallacy...
You QLD guys do know what logic is right? :p

no where did i say they drive like that because they were asian, just that the vast majority you see driving, drive badly.

there is a vast difference....

[bob10]

Political Botanical Correctness

Will it ever end? :wallbash:


I blame the Romans. Bob


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[Mick_Marsh]

no where did i say they drive like that because they were asian, just that the vast majority you see driving, drive badly.

there is a vast difference....
I think some others did citing cultural reasons.
Yep. This can be a problem. The culture thing.

I must say, most bad drivers I see you can only say they drive badly because they are bad drivers, and to some degree, narcissistic. They think they are the centre of the universe and all others should get out of their way.
Oh, a minority of these bad drivers I have noticed to be of ethnic appearance.

Maybe things are different down south.

[Chucaro]

I saw in Hervey Bay some old timers driving/riding their mobility scooters in a more dangerous way that any driver in Cabramatta and that it is something! :eek:

[Ancient Mariner]

I think some others did citing cultural reasons.
Yep. This can be a problem. The culture thing.

I must say, most bad drivers I see you can only say they drive badly because they are bad drivers, and to some degree, narcissistic. They think they are the centre of the universe and all others should get out of their way.
Oh, a minority of these bad drivers I have noticed to be of ethnic appearance.

Maybe things are different down south.
Sounds like those drivers towing horse floats:o

AM

[Disco Muppet]

no where did i say they drive like that because they were asian, just that the vast majority you see driving, drive badly.

there is a vast difference....

And I didn't say YOU did ;)

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[bob10]

I can't work out whether people are serious , or not here. I really, really, hope they are not. Otherwise, we have a problem Houston. This conversation is getting silly. Sorry, but we Queenslanders are direct. Sometimes. Lose your sense of humour, lose the plot. And, who cares how bad certain drivers are, for goodness sake, just worry about yourselves, & family. Anyway,




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[Mick_Marsh]

Sounds like those drivers towing horse floats:o

AM
More often it's young chicky babes in small Korean things zooming past at warp factor nine whilst, like, texting and stuff.

[Greatsouthernland]

Er Great southernland.Funny name that.

I would just like to point out that about 40% of the population of Malaysia is ethnic Chinese and have totally separate Chinese education systems.
Kuala Lumpur is estimated to have about 70- 80% ethnic Chinese population.

Similarly Bangkok has a large Chinese population but being more integrated , it is harder to estimate. I would guess maybe 50% of middle class and above.
Of course 95% of overseas Chinese originate from Guangdong Province so this may be significant regarding customs, but I don't think that they are looked down on by locals, and certainly in Guangdong they have been responsible for incredible building booms as they build mansions in their home villages.
So although I have been to China several times, up to around ten years ago, even then there really were not enough private cars to cause too much drama and cars then were very expensive comparatively to own, as one of my execs in Austrade Beijing told me. Back then it cost AUD 1300 or so to register a small car which was then a fortune to a middle class Chinese.
So maybe they value their cars more than the well established and wealthy towkay in Malaysia or Thailand. BTW it also has to do with enforcement and corruption as poor driving manners don't seem to happen in Singapore, although there again cars are a very expensive luxury .
But I still think it has lots to do with the Chinese culture of family first.
Regards Philip A

Er funny name :D yes but serious attachment :mad: nah just joking :D sticks and stones etc. Its actually the name of a song by Icehouse now that's a funny name :D but some people like it :mad: They had a lead singer Iva :D that's a funny one, but someone's name and not nice to make fun :mad:

But seriously, those places aren't China. Yeh they may have lots of Chinese, won't ever make them China, what I see there (and have experienced for last ten years), is different to what you described in SE Asia.

Well the last 10 years of change will blow your mind!. I've been there about 20 times over the last 10 years and have family there, and a few business ventures, so Ive got a bit of an idea.

Not disputing what you described happened, I just don't see it in the culture or homeland. I was only relaying what those ethnic Chinese told me of Malaysia and similar places with a large proportion Chinese regarding sentiment from locals, I thought they'd know...

Anyway, perhaps we notice different things hey :cool: all good! We are both lucky to have experienced these other cultures, lots to learn and apply here... perhaps.

[DiscoMick]

I survived three years driving in the chaos of Bangkok and never had a road rage incident or got the horn blown at me or the finger raised. Maybe it was because the traffic chaos was so bad that everyone knew they were in it together and you had to co-operate to survive.
Got back to Brisbane and was shocked at the rude and impatient behaviour of drivers who would do their nuts and behave like complete fools at things that wouldn't even be considered worth commenting on in Bangkok.
Also, natural selection seemed to work in Bangkok and the bad drivers got killed in crashes, so the drivers around us were those who had learnt how to survive.
Here in Logan, the hoons are young white males in V8s, WRXs and Toyota 4WDs. The quiet drivers include lots of immigrants in the cheap Camrys and Taragos they have saved to buy to transport their families. The Indian taxi drivers also seem very careful drivers, maybe because the owners of the taxis will sack them if they damage the cars.

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[PhilipA]

Disco Mick, well road rage is rarer in Bangkok but when it happens it usually involves guns as there are over 20 million handguns around.
Maybe that is why people rarely push it.

I have seen several incidents like 2 Tuk tuk drivers going hammer and tongs, and I would read in The Bangkok Post of the cop who went home and slaughtered his family etc.
The road rules are very clear.
Mudguard in front has right of way

The biggest vehicle in a crash is at fault and bus drivers often fled the scene.

If a Farang was involved they were at always fault as they are fabulously rich.

You have to wait at the scene of an accident until the Insurance company man comes regardless of traffic Chaos.

My driver hit a motorcycle in our Soi one day(Soi Ye Sip Hoke) at the dogleg and before the insurance man got there Bumrungrad hospital had done over USD1000 in "tests" on the two poor helmetless riders who were unhurt.
Regards Philip A

[Greatsouthernland]

One of the inlaws was cleaned up by a lunatic on a scooter, while crossing the road, in a large Asian city, broken leg. The hoon on the scooter had no license and yep, it was stolen. So the coppers gave him a roughing up and held him in the cells where one of the relatives went and had a go too.

Yes that would evoke a pitiful response from our do-gooder bleeding hearts, but that idiot actually got taught a lesson. What happens here? Fine/community service perhaps, off to do it again...

[e3j]

It is still happening.

Witnessed it first hand in December of last year. The applicant could not sit her written driving test, as the interpreter was running late :eek:

When I live in Darwin back in the 1980's, they used to allow an interpreter into the booth with the applicant to interpret the written test for them! Of course they were not allowed to tell them the answers :cool:

[snowbound]

My take on it is that if you choose to relocate from one side of the world to the other, you should be doing you're very best to become part of that country.... By following its rules, traditions, views etc.. Having migrated from Europe, I have come to Australia for a better/different life.. I chose Australia because of the 'way it is'.. I want to be a part of that.... and by buying into the country, working full time from day one, paying taxes, volunteering with a local fire brigade, paying taxes, and immersing myself in Aussie life I feel I have achieved it. I now love it, and everyone I know!

If a migrant is not prepared to migrate, and integrate, then perhaps they don't actually want to be here or belong here....... Just my view!

Long live Australia!!!! :)
You nailed it mate! I am exactly of the same opinion and share your thoughts and values, except I chose the SES over the fire brigade LOL

[DiscoMick]

Disco Mick, well road rage is rarer in Bangkok but when it happens it usually involves guns as there are over 20 million handguns around.
Maybe that is why people rarely push it.

I have seen several incidents like 2 Tuk tuk drivers going hammer and tongs, and I would read in The Bangkok Post of the cop who went home and slaughtered his family etc.
The road rules are very clear.
Mudguard in front has right of way

The biggest vehicle in a crash is at fault and bus drivers often fled the scene.

If a Farang was involved they were at always fault as they are fabulously rich.

You have to wait at the scene of an accident until the Insurance company man comes regardless of traffic Chaos.

My driver hit a motorcycle in our Soi one day(Soi Ye Sip Hoke) at the dogleg and before the insurance man got there Bumrungrad hospital had done over USD1000 in "tests" on the two poor helmetless riders who were unhurt.
Regards Philip A
Yep, all true what you say. I enjoyed the story about the traffic cop who got sick of motorists ignoring him so he pulled out his pistol and started shooting people. Another motorist pulled out his gun and shot the cop. Certainly livened up the traffic flow!


Bumrungrad Hospital is certainly an eye-opener - more like a luxury hotel.


My point was the I see more obvious road rage in Brisbane than I did in BK.

[d2dave]

Its got nothing to do with whether the driver is Asian, Anglo-Saxon, Lithuanian, Brazilian or Eskimo.

This thread is about political correctness. It is Inuit.

[Disco Muppet]

Innit, aye?
:p

[mikehzz]

My take on it is that if you choose to relocate from one side of the world to the other, you should be doing you're very best to become part of that country.... By following its rules, traditions, views etc.. Having migrated from Europe, I have come to Australia for a better/different life.. I chose Australia because of the 'way it is'.. I want to be a part of that.... and by buying into the country, working full time from day one, paying taxes, volunteering with a local fire brigade, paying taxes, and immersing myself in Aussie life I feel I have achieved it. I now love it, and everyone I know!

If a migrant is not prepared to migrate, and integrate, then perhaps they don't actually want to be here or belong here....... Just my view!

Long live Australia!!!! :)

I'm concerned that you're paying too much tax Sitec...that's unAustralian mate. :D

[rangietragic]

I saw in Hervey Bay some old timers driving/riding their mobility scooters in a more dangerous way that any driver in Cabramatta and that it is something! :eek:

Oh, hervey bay drivers,famous:p

[3toes]

I used to live in a town where the average age would have been closer to 70 than 40 . Kids were on the roof of the house when I came home with binoculars. When I called them down to find out what they were doing was told they were attempting to see someone aged under 60.

Now the local paper seemed to always have a front page story about bit and run accidents with people ending up in hospital. Took a week or two to realise it was mobility scooter drivers knocking down fellow pensioners and driving off!

It was safer to walk on the road with the traffic than chance it with the pensioners in their mobility scooters who owned the footpath.

[V8Ian]

I saw an Asian woman riding a step-through today. She was very nervous and over cautious, but riding about a foot left of the dividing line on a busy road frequented by B-doubles and other heavy vehicles. To top it off she was carrying a three year old pillion that looked like a clothes peg on a thick blanket.

[bob10]

I used to live in a town where the average age would have been closer to 70 than 40 . Kids were on the roof of the house when I came home with binoculars. When I called them down to find out what they were doing was told they were attempting to see someone aged under 60.

Now the local paper seemed to always have a front page story about bit and run accidents with people ending up in hospital. Took a week or two to realise it was mobility scooter drivers knocking down fellow pensioners and driving off!

It was safer to walk on the road with the traffic than chance it with the pensioners in their mobility scooters who owned the footpath.


Yep, and I believe you. You on the scrumpy again, Tosh?

[UncleHo]

It is often safer to ride a motorcycle close to the centre line than to the far left, less chance to get run off the road,I usually ride within 2 foot of the white line,been riding since 1961 :)

Yup! been shunted into the kerb/table drain several times too :mad:

[Tombie]

It is often safer to ride a motorcycle close to the centre line than to the far left, less chance to get run off the road,I usually ride within 2 foot of the white line,been riding since 1961 :)

Yup! been shunted into the kerb/table drain several times too :mad:


You must be bloody tired by now...

[V8Ian]

I saw an Asian woman riding a step-through today. She was very nervous and over cautious, but riding about a foot left of the dividing line on a busy road frequented by B-doubles and other heavy vehicles. To top it off she was carrying a three year old pillion that looked like a clothes peg on a thick blanket.


It is often safer to ride a motorcycle close to the centre line than to the far left, less chance to get run off the road,I usually ride within 2 foot of the white line,been riding since 1961 :)

Yup! been shunted into the kerb/table drain several times too :mad:

Not the centre line Kev. I, too have been riding since the '70s and I can assure you there was nothing defensive about her riding style.