Anyone else suffer from Type 2 Diabetes?

[Roverlord off road spares]

There's lost to advertising warning about getting diabetis and people should take head and better their life habits.
Well I have this disease,( diabetis 2) and the lack of blood circulation in the body extramities is something that you don't want. My region is my feet, they are cold as ice, the toes hurt like hell sometimes and pain medication takes the sting off it a bit but it does keep me awake some nights. I don't want to loose my toes, meds can only do so much.
I injured my the top of my foot a week ago, apart from the hobbling, it's going to take months for the gash to heal now.

So if any of you are in the high risk group, I can tell you it aint pleasant, try to avoid it.

[Geedublya]

There are very good studies showing going on a near starvation diet can help and even cure type 2. I know it is difficult however for the good of your health it could be worthwhile.

[Rosco8]

Also Type 2, I watch sugar/fast carbs like a hawk and have it under control. Was a shock a few years ago but when I look back as my diet was high in sugar and fast carbs. I thought it was pretty healthy, even my breakfast which I was proud of was poison. I thought muesli, fresh fruit and fruit juice was a healthy breakfast ... then I counted the amount of sugar.

I keep being warned about my toes and fingers. Hope things improve for you, they have those radio ads about hyperbaric chambers for fast healing of wounds. Have you tried one ??

My achilles heel is the constant battle with my weight, I really like my food. I wish it was that easy to say stop. I go thru periods of being very good, small portions, no white bread or white rice, eat fruit between meals and lots of walking then ... :mad::mad: Friend was similar and a lot bigger and did the stomach band thing, pretty extreme but saved his life. I would like not to have to do go that far. Thought of trying hypnotism but have brothers that tried it (smokers) and it didn't work for them.

[drivesafe]

Hi Rover, I have type 2 and get cold feet as well.

While they can keep me awake at night, I ware up to two pairs of socks and this seem to solve my problem for the night.
Of a day, if I get cold feet, ( sitting at computers or a work bench all day long does not help ) I find a good long walk usually warms my feet up and they are good for a few days 9 and nights ).

I just need to remember to walk more often.

Hi Rosco and while I don’t drink, like you I love my food, LOTS OF IT. Again, the walking seems to help me.

BTW, fruit juice is probably the worst this a diabetic can have.

Did anybody see a special a few years back called “FAT, SICK & Nearly DEAD”

I try this every 6 months or so and so far I’ve lost up to 2 stone and while I put some back on, each time I do the food stuff he recommends, I loose a bit more and keep it off.

[Tank]

Do you know the biggest cause of Type 2 Diabetes?
TELEVISION.
Sitting on your (getting larger) backside, doing nothing, also STRESS.
My levels were up in the 18's, with sore, cold feet, my doctor told me that my Prostate Cancer would not KILL me, but if I didn't do something about getting my levels down to normal, then Diabetes would certainly kill me.
I have got my level down to 8 (top of the normal range), by getting off my arse and doing some physical work, usually on my landrovers or our scrap and towing business, run by my Son.
I have lost 10kgs., down to 96 and some of the muscle that got up and left has returned, on days when I'm working I will take only 1/2 of my normal dosage of Insulin, or none at all, If I take a full dose after working hard all day then I wake up during the night having a Hypo (very low blood sugar readings) and stagger around like a lost sheep. It has happened a couple of times on a first night of a camping trip, seems I didn't realise loading the Disco, hooking up the C/T, driving off road for an hour or more, then setting up camp, getting the fire going and all the things you do when camping didn't constitute work. So know I either take no Insulin or 1/2 a dose, depending on how I feel after setting up camp.
Roverlord I would get back to my doctor and tell him about your feet and do a HbA1c long term (over a 3 month period) test as daily tests are not indicative of how the disease is progressing, do you get your eyes tested (every six months) for diabetic damage, if your feet are giving you that much trouble you may need to change your medication, don't put it off, Regards Frank.

[cripesamighty]

I can thoroughly recommend two books; the CSIRO's Diabetes Diet and Lifestyle Plan & the additional Recipe book. You won't look back. Gave them to a mate and after following the advice within he is now off all medication.

[olbod]

What's wrong with white rice ?

Ta.

[Roverlord off road spares]

What's wrong with white rice ?

Ta.I think white rice turns to sugars quicker, where brown rice is slower to metabolise

[sheerluck]

I think white rice turns to sugars quicker, where brown rice is slower to metabolise

Yes. Same principle as white bread vs wholemeal/wholegrain. Most of the nutrition and fibre are removed in the processing.

[Rosco8]

What's wrong with white rice ?
Ta.

As others have said, white rice and white bread are heavily processed so your body absorbs them very fast. Notice when having Chinese how you are hungry again before your next main meal if you have consumed white rice. Now if you had had brown or wild rice (I like a mix) the body takes a lot longer to break down and evens out the sugar hit to the body. I am not the biggiest brown rice fan, however a nice medium GI rice is Basmati, which I use at home.

There is great work done by Aussie Universities on the GI Index (Glycemic Index), one of the 1st books I brought when diagnosed with diabetes, would have been great to have read it before I got it !!! Using the GU index on rice shows a per serve difference of 43 (out of 100) for white rice vs 16 for Brown, a huge difference.

FOOD Glycemic index (glucose = 100) and with a Serving size of 150 grams gives us Glycemic load per serving
White rice, average 89/43
White basmati 67/28
Brown rice, average 50/16

http://www.gisymbol.com/cms/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Untitled1.png

Evening out the absorption of sugar into the body is the trick. As my dietician says, smaller meals of low GI food, and using fruit a couple of times a day, not in a main meal but for snacks between meals. So I have a bag of fruit at work and around 11am and 4pm I have a piece of fruit. I focus on whole grain breads, and with a Japanese takeaway at work, I get the brown rice versions, makes a big differencing to my concentration during the afternoon.

Below is a bit about Fast Carbs, so great if you want a sugar hit quickly, bad if you don't have an active job or have diabetes. I wish they had taught the science of this better at school. Eating pizzas (full of sugar, white dough, and plenty of sugar in the sauces) and washing it down with a coke .. arghhhhhhhhh


Fast Carbs

Simple carbohydrates are also known as fast carbs or fast-acting carbohydrates.
1. What Are Fast Carbs?

Carbohydrates consist of starch, cellulose, and sugar, which have the potential to increase the blood sugar levels after they are consumed. Among the various types of carbohydrates, fast carbs are foods that cause an immediate rise in blood glucose (sugar) levels.


Fast carbs are made of simple sugars that are easily broken down or digested and absorbed by the body. The fast rise in blood glucose is usually brought down to normal levels with the help of a hormone called insulin, which increases when one eats high carb foods. However, in some people, this process may result in a sharp decline in blood glucose levels, which may be below normal levels. This occurs in people with diabetes and other metabolic problems like obesity. The rapid increase and decrease in blood sugar levels may result in hypoglycemia (blood sugar levels below normal), which causes symptoms like extreme hunger, headache, and fatigue.

[olbod]

Thanks.
I dont have diabetes but I have a problem with sinusitus and positional vertigo.
I am trying to find relief by trying different diets.
I dont eat any type of sweets or nibbles.
I am trialling a high fibre diet and I have cut out coffee, wheat products,
most processed foods and I go with fresh vegies, juiced fruit, tomatoes, celery sticks, peanuts, bananas, rice, small portions of lean meat a couple of times a week with lightly steamed veggies that I have with every evening meal, oats for brekky and I drink two or thee litres of water a day. Cant give up me tea tho.
I need less TV and computer and more exercise but feet are for pushing peddles.
Too early to tell if this is having any effect on sinusitus.
Positional vertigo is getting worse so I am about to start the Brandt & Daroff exercises.
Failing all that it might be time to consider cleaning out me desk.

[Bigbjorn]

When I was diagnosed type 2 my blood glucose was 14.3. Last Hb1ac test was 6.3. Control is by diet and one Diabex tablet daily. I was 122 kilos and am now 103. I was down to 97 but lost a lot of muscle mass from arms and legs. Now working with the dietician to restore the lost muscle mass and then start reducing again to <95 kilos. I haven't had a beer since Christmas which is a total shock to anyone who knew my habits. Alcohol is restricted to one or two at most glasses of dry white daily and at least two alcohol free days weekly. The diagnosis frightened hell out of me. I have known people who have ended up blind, legless, ga-ga etc from neglected diabetes.

[loneranger]

I don't have diabetes but the way I was eating I probably would have in the future. I used to drink about 1.5litres of iced coffee a day plus cakes etc. Last October we adopted the LCHF (Low Carb High Fat) lifestyle. I don't call it a diet because it is a lifestyle change. Since then I've given up all sugar and lost 12kg.

We had to give up all grains because they were a trigger for my wife to suffer flares for an illness she had.

What I've found is I need to eat less as I'm not hungry all the time. I can go for a 100km ride on a cup of buttered coffee and when I get home I'm not hungry. What I've found eating this way is that I don't get hungry all the time. I get less migraines as my blood sugars aren't fluctuating and in general I feel better, more energetic and mentally alert.

For anyone interested try searching LCHF on Google and have a read. The bonus of this lifestyle is eating things such as bacon and eggs without feeling guilty. :D

http://www.drrosedale.com/#axzz3BwP9Mw9y this is a starting point for anyone interested.

[101RRS]

Just remember, sugar does not give you diabetes - is an old wives tale - there are genetic factors and lifestyle factors - the lifestyle is being too tubby and lack of mobility. How do you get tubby - too much sugar, too much fat (the main culprit).

Once you have diabetes the lifestyle factors still apply but specifically foods with a high GI in bulk not occasionally. Fat is low in GI an sugar itself is only mid range - processed sugar like glucose is the no no. One or two cups of coffee a day with a sugar or two is no issue (low/medium GI) but take those four or five teaspoons of sugar in a softdrink or baked in a cake where the sugar is transformed then there is an issue.

Eat what you want in a balanced healthy diet is the go - but who has the willpower to just have just one Tim Tam :(.

Oh - 100grams of Mars Bar has less impact on your blood sugar level than 100grams of carrots but who wants to eat 100grams of carrots (there is a lot) when you can eat 100grams of Mars Bar and do you want to stop at 100grams of Mars Bars.

Hence the carrots are better for you because even though they have a high GI you would naturally eat less. Same applies with most fatty hi sugar foods - we just want to eat more of the stuff.

Garry

[incisor]

was told you should eat veg that grows above ground, not below ground, when you have diabetes..

sweet potato being one of the few exceptions apparently...

[djam1]

I have had type 2 diabetes for about 14 years
6 Months ago after years of being on medication I was told by the doctors that the jig was up it was either onto insulin or slowly die.
Not being particularly keen on either I started to do some investigation I found this guy.

Dr Wallach on Diabetes CAUSE PREVENTION REVERSA - YouTube

I am not a fan of network marketing or Americans but I tried what this guy said and had a huge change in my condition.
I went from a HbA1c of 9.5 down to 5.6 in 3 Months and threw away a lot of my medication.
Joel Wallach's claim is that type 2 diabetes is caused by mineral deficiencies.
Most of what you are told about diabetes seems to be wrong with the drug companies making huge amounts of money by keeping people on drugs for life.
I investigated Joel Wallach (he is a Vet) the best I could and found him to be a man driven by a desire to get the message out about nutrition.
I didn't see results in 2 weeks like he claims but I know of people who this has happened too.
I need to go and do another test so I can ditch some more medication as its now been 6 Months.

[Roverlord off road spares]

When I was diagnosed type 2 my blood glucose was 14.3. Last Hb1ac test was 6.3. Control is by diet and one Diabex tablet daily. I was 122 kilos and am now 103. I was down to 97 but lost a lot of muscle mass from arms and legs. Now working with the dietician to restore the lost muscle mass and then start reducing again to <95 kilos. I haven't had a beer since Christmas which is a total shock to anyone who knew my habits. Alcohol is restricted to one or two at most glasses of dry white daily and at least two alcohol free days weekly. The diagnosis frightened hell out of me. I have known people who have ended up blind, legless, ga-ga etc from neglected diabetes.
I'm on 3 X 1000 Mg of Diabex a day, normal blood sugar is 8.7 to 9.5, I have lost a lot of weight and have lost a lot of muscle tone in legs and bottom, Pants fall off me as I no longer have hips, I need to get braces as belts are of no use. Unfortunately other strong dose medications I was also taking for severe depression and pain has had an effect on my diabetis as well.

[Bigbjorn]

was told you should eat veg that grows above ground, not below ground, when you have diabetes..

sweet potato being one of the few exceptions apparently...

Sweet potato and potato are similar being lower (not low) GI foods. A serve is 1/2 cup steamed, boiled, or dry baked not fried or roasted in fat or oil.

Carrots are "Free Food". Eat as much as you like as they have little effect on either your blood glucose or your weight.

[Bigbjorn]

There's lost to advertising warning about getting diabetis and people should take head and better their life habits.
Well I have this disease,( diabetis 2) and the lack of blood circulation in the body extramities is something that you don't want. My region is my feet, they are cold as ice, the toes hurt like hell sometimes and pain medication takes the sting off it a bit but it does keep me awake some nights. I don't want to loose my toes, meds can only do so much.
I injured my the top of my foot a week ago, apart from the hobbling, it's going to take months for the gash to heal now.

So if any of you are in the high risk group, I can tell you it aint pleasant, try to avoid it.

Hound your GP about those feet. Sounds like you have a potential problem. You don't want the surgeons to start snipping bits off.

[TerryO]

If you can go back and watch the ABC program Catalyst on IVIEW from I think three weeks ago. Bloody amazing about the various cures they are finding in Laboratory test for a number of what we would consider are modern diseases and many of the cures we can introduce into our everyday lives through changing our diet.

Well worth a watch, they ran a follow up program on it I think two weeks ago.

[superquag]

I've posted (ok, bragged...) about this before and I'll just summarise.

Diagnosed Type II around 25+ years ago. (now 61) Supposed to control with "Diet & Exercise"... ended up with Metformin 500 x2, and gliclazide 80mg x1.

Short story... when the HbA1C went over 17%.... the Dept of Transport got nasty... So did I. After intensive research... these two books pointed the way . To date I'm 30 kg less fat, HbA1c down to 5.2% with NO medication.... BP down to a touch under so-called normal, again NO dedications. Forget the "cholesterol", as Catalyst only told part of the story...

The two books. "Rosedale Diet" by Dr Ron Rosedale. (His website already mentioned here)

and,

"Why we get fat and what to do about it" by Gary Taubes.
- This book is an 'Airline edition'... the sort of thing you should be able to get through on a return flight to anywhere - of his comprehensive previous book, "Good calories - Bad calories" 600+ pages, of which 30 are Notes and 92 are Bibliography/references.

And exercise played little or no part in the fat loss, I simply put the above philosophies into practice. The so-called Paleo Diet/eating style would be close enough if you need a label to stick on it. :eek:

No, I don't miss bread, spuds, fruit or fruit juices or pasta or any grains or sugars. Not one bit. Now eat loads of green & leafy, nuts (not peanuts which aren't a nut...) protein as meat/fish/eggs, and LOADS of fats... mainly saturated. Butter, Olive oil, animal fats and coconut oil.

To put it bluntly, the conventional medical model and treatment for 'everything' around Type II diabetes, is WRONG, and following the standard advice will make it worse. - It almost killed me.

Here's the 'encouraging' forecast for anyone with Type II.

"Type 2 diabetes can often initially be managed with healthy eating and regular physical activity. However, over time most people with type 2 diabetes will also need tablets and many will also need insulin. It is important to note that this is just the natural progression of the condition, and taking tablets or insulin as soon as they are required can result in fewer complications in the long-term. "

It doesn't have to be...

- Your choice.

Edit: the above quote is from here:- http://www.diabetesaustralia.com.au/Living-with-Diabetes/Type-2-Diabetes/

[loneranger]

Another site to look at is Art and Science of Low Carb - jeff Volek, PhD, RD & Stephen Phinney, MD, PhD (http://www.artandscienceoflowcarb.com/)

Download the e-books and have a read. Specifically the chapters relating to diabetes and how quickly it can be reversed with making the right changes.

[superquag]

Another site to look at is Art and Science of Low Carb - jeff Volek, PhD, RD & Stephen Phinney, MD, PhD (http://www.artandscienceoflowcarb.com/)

Download the e-books and have a read. Specifically the chapters relating to diabetes and how quickly it can be reversed with making the right changes.

Wash your mouth out ! People in expensive White Coats have told us that there is NO cure... Why don't you just roll over and accept the... 'fact'. ??? :angel:

From Diabetes Australia...


At present there is no cure for diabetes, but Australian researchers are leading the world in their quest for a cure and to discover improved management techniques and products until a cure is found.

Everyone can contribute to finding a cure for diabetes and improving the quality of life for those people with diabetes. All donations, no matter how big or small, make a difference.

[TerryO]

The program on Catalyst several weeks ago wasn't actually about cholesterol, it was about how modern diet was causing quite a number of what are considered modern first world diseases. It included diabetes, as I said the programme is well worth watching.

[superquag]

Judging by the AMA's frenetic reaction to the original 'Cholesterol/Statins' episode, I'd say CATALYST was ... On the Money, - so to speak... :twisted::twisted::twisted:

[Geedublya]

At present there is no cure for type 1 diabetes, it is caused by an autoimmune response. Type 2 diabetes is reversible it is caused by lifestyle.

[Roverlord off road spares]

Well judging from the small percentage of the population displayed by the number of forum members who have it, it shows this terrible disease ( as on of my specialists calls it) is pretty common.
So those that don't have it yet, watch out for yourselves as if you are in a risk category and you have a chance with preventing it with life style change. Go for it.

[loneranger]

My wife's family history is such that our Dr said it was not a matter of if but when she developed diabetes. That observation was based on following recommended nutritional guidelines. We had blood tests last week so we'll see what the test show. She's had a lot of blood tests last year trying to determine inflammation so we have a good baseline to see what improvements have been made by the dietary changes.

For anyone interested a sample daily menu would be:

Breakfast: Avocado omelette with 2 eggs cooked in duck fat. I have 50g of cheese and 1 mushroom as well.

Lunch: Salad with olive oil and skin on chicken thigh.

Dinner: Steak sandwich without bread.

Snacks: 60g of mixed Brazil, almond and macadamia nuts
3 buttered coffees - 40g of butter in black coffee.

[Greatsouthernland]

My wife's family history is such that our Dr said it was not a matter of if but when she developed diabetes. That observation was based on following recommended nutritional guidelines. We had blood tests last week so we'll see what the test show. She's had a lot of blood tests last year trying to determine inflammation so we have a good baseline to see what improvements have been made by the dietary changes.

For anyone interested a sample daily menu would be:

Breakfast: Avocado omelette with 2 eggs cooked in duck fat. I have 50g of cheese and 1 mushroom as well.

Lunch: Salad with olive oil and skin on chicken thigh.

Dinner: Steak sandwich without bread.

Snacks: 60g of mixed Brazil, almond and macadamia nuts
3 buttered coffees - 40g of butter in black coffee.

Until now I'd never heard of buttered coffee. What's the story behind those?

I've been using honey in coffee for a while, beekeepers in the family means plenty of free bee juice, but go on, tell me its worse than sugar :(

[sheerluck]

Dinner: Steak sandwich without bread.....

That'd be a steak then.

[TerryO]

My wife's family history is such that our Dr said it was not a matter of if but when she developed diabetes. That observation was based on following recommended nutritional guidelines. We had blood tests last week so we'll see what the test show. She's had a lot of blood tests last year trying to determine inflammation so we have a good baseline to see what improvements have been made by the dietary changes.

For anyone interested a sample daily menu would be:

Breakfast: Avocado omelette with 2 eggs cooked in duck fat. I have 50g of cheese and 1 mushroom as well.

Lunch: Salad with olive oil and skin on chicken thigh.

Dinner: Steak sandwich without bread.

Snacks: 60g of mixed Brazil, almond and macadamia nuts
3 buttered coffees - 40g of butter in black coffee.


If you watch that program I was speaking of they talk about most modern diseases having inflammation as one of the main symptoms. It would appear in recent clinical trials that this can be fixed by drinking vinegar daily, no vinegar in particular as all vinegars contain the same property that basically blocks inflammation from occurring. As I said it was a very informative program. That was just one method they had found recently that was curing many first world diseases.

[olbod]

If you watch that program I was speaking of they talk about most modern diseases having inflammation as one of the main symptoms. It would appear in recent clinical trials that this can be fixed by drinking vinegar daily, no vinegar in particular as all vinegars contain the same property that basically blocks inflammation from occurring. As I said it was a very informative program. That was just one method they had found recently that was curing many first world diseases.


I started swigging apple cider vinegar about a week ago.
Takes your breath away for a bit.
But I cant find info on how much to take daily ?

By the way, there is stuff in it that falls to the bottom of the bottle when it is left standing.
It is not mouse poo.
Just give the bottle a good shake, consume and feel it doin ya.

PS: I dont know if apple cider vinegar will be effective on stinger stings.

[DiscoMick]

I don't have diabetes (I'm disgustingly healthy for my age, without really trying much), but the wife has some other health issues, so I have adopted the same healthy diet as her and its doing me good.
We have inquired about which of the many types of sugar can be digested and passed through the body and which types can't be digested and are stored as fat in the body. Found this explanation:


Your body requires at least 130 milligrams of carbohydrates to function properly. Approximately 45 to 65 percent of your diet should consist of sugars that are naturally found in fruits, vegetables, whole grains and dairy products. Sugar consumption from processed foods, desserts, candy and refined grains should be limited.

So, we need some sugar, but unfortunately the types of sugar used in soft drinks and similar foods are usually the ones which are stored as fat because they can't be digested.


Exercise seems to help diabetics because it stimulates the blood flow to the extremities. We don't have to join a gym and have extreme exercise sessions to be healthier, just change our habits to increase the amount of walking e.g. by always taking the stairs rather than a lift or by parking at the far edge of the car park and walking to the shops. Little things add up.
We have eliminated dessert from our regular diet - just stopped buying ice cream and other desserts. That made quite a difference (and saved some money). I don't have sugar in any drinks, but I eat bananas to boost my sugar intake.


I feel very sorry for people with diabetes, but it does seem it can be managed. Had a diabetic friend have an attack while playing tennis with me one day. A super hit of jelly beans got her going again. Ten years later she is still going fine and keeps busy.

[Greatsouthernland]

I started swigging apple cider vinegar about a week ago.
Takes your breath away for a bit.
But I cant find info on how much to take daily ?

By the way, there is stuff in it that falls to the bottom of the bottle when it is left standing.
It is not mouse poo.
Just give the bottle a good shake, consume and feel it doin ya.

PS: I dont know if apple cider vinegar will be effective on stinger stings.

Had a chiropractor tell me to take the stuff years ago, must work on many levels. Think I might get some more.

[loneranger]

Until now I'd never heard of buttered coffee. What's the story behind those?

I've been using honey in coffee for a while, beekeepers in the family means plenty of free bee juice, but go on, tell me its worse than sugar :(

I melt 40g of unsalted butter and add it to black coffee for a fat and caffeine hit. I cold brew my coffee so it isn't as acidic as normal black coffee. It takes a while to get used to it but I had a normal Dome coffee today and it's the first milky coffee I've had for about 3 weeks and I didn't enjoy it at all. I've lost the taste.

I don't add any sweetener but apart from when I used to have iced coffee I never add sweetener to any of my drinks.

[loneranger]

That'd be a steak then.

Yep a nice scotch fillet with lots of fat throughout is the start - season with salt and pepper.

Top with the following:

slice of cheese
slice of bacon or ham - fried of course
sliced tomato
sliced capsicum (optional)
sliced cucumber or pickles (optional)
a pineapple ring (optional)
lots of high fat mayo
shredded lettuce

Enjoy :D

[loneranger]

If you watch that program I was speaking of they talk about most modern diseases having inflammation as one of the main symptoms. It would appear in recent clinical trials that this can be fixed by drinking vinegar daily, no vinegar in particular as all vinegars contain the same property that basically blocks inflammation from occurring. As I said it was a very informative program. That was just one method they had found recently that was curing many first world diseases.


We saw the program she's been eating sauerkraut and balsamic vinegar - not together - in small doses.

It was very interesting especially about fixing the gut to fix a lot of other problems.

[Roverlord off road spares]

We saw that program she's been eating sauerkraut and balsamic vinegar - not together - in small doses.
Even though I'm orginally a Kraut, you can shove the sauerkraut YUK!
Balamic vinegar that's a yuppy thing, but I have been hitting the rollmops a bit lately, plenty of vinegar in them:D

[101RRS]

My uncle drinks vinegar and garlic juice by the glass full because he read it was good for you bit he still got diabetes.

Garry

[superquag]

Type II diabetes ? - ... and Uncle eats... what ? - and how much of it ? :p

[superquag]

I melt 40g of unsalted butter and add it to black coffee for a fat and caffeine hit. I cold brew my coffee so it isn't as acidic as normal black coffee. It takes a while to get used to it but ......

Cold brewed coffee ? - Sounds Interesting.

Great way to get some good fat into you... I used to drown my mushrooms in litres of butter. How deep? - They had to de-compress on the way up... or else had to use sonar to find 'em.:p:p:p

These days i use cream in my tea or coffee, in place of milk as it has less carbs (sugar)

[Greatsouthernland]

It may just be very expensive water with the amount of silver actually in it, but a very distinguished business associate mentioned his wife put him on it. Seemed to give his flu the flick lickity split.

So, i stopped into the chemist after junior mozarts piano lessons, and grabbed some for ... research. If I dont develop symptoms over the next 40 years, ill let you know it may work. There are some interesting claims about what this stuff can do if you want to risk being labelled a conspiracy theorist and google Colloidal silver. Makes antibiotics look like a farce :eek: in comparison to the claims of course :angel:

Also for those who get cold feet - my old ninja grand master wrote in his book about how important the feet are in many aspects, there were pages of foot exercises and massage techniques to aid circulation and flexibility, may help those with poor circulation in that area to look it up.

Hatsumi Sensei - The Essence of Ninjutsu

[superquag]

From vague memories... this was very popular with the Ruling Classes of Europe, many years ago. Overdosing would lead to a silvery-bluish-grey colouration of the skin, - maybe a reason for calling them 'Blue-Bloods' :angel:

Anyway, must be something in it... they've lasted down through the centuries, despite the inbreeding !

A reference to the medical use of silver...

Medical Uses of Silver (http://www.sterling-silver.ws/articles/about-silver/medicinal-uses-of-silver.htm)

[Greatsouthernland]

And silver band aids came about not that long ago. It would be good if any medicos could confirm the silver ion solution is actually used as an anti bacterial in hospitals or clinics. I realise the net is full of these claims, but SOMETIMES it can be a bit unreliable...always DYOR i say :eek:

I measured the concentration of the colloidal solution i bought and my tds meter shows 10ppm, but the bottle claims 30+.

Lucky i have a couple of 1kg bars of bullion, so I will give the electrolysis a go. Been a few years since the chemistry classes but im sure google will have the answer :D

[loneranger]

And silver band aids came about not that long ago. It would be good if any medicos could confirm the silver ion solution is actually used as an anti bacterial in hospitals or clinics.

I used the silver bandages when I left big chunks of skin off my arms and legs on the bitumen after a couple of cycling crashes. I healed up quite quickly with no infections so they seemed to better than standard bandages. Cost a fortune changing them twice a day originally, then once a day for a few weeks.

[loneranger]

Cold brewed coffee ? - Sounds Interesting.

Great way to get some good fat into you... I used to drown my mushrooms in litres of butter. How deep? - They had to de-compress on the way up... or else had to use sonar to find 'em.:p:p:p

These days i use cream in my tea or coffee, in place of milk as it has less carbs (sugar)

I find the cold brewed coffee tastes better than standard coffee.

I use a mushroom with my breakfast to absorb the excess fat after cooking my omelette. :)

[superquag]

Yes, isn't it amazing just how much butter/fat a mushroom can absorb !

- Got some beans soaking... should be ready tomorrow.

[Greatsouthernland]

I used the silver bandages when I left big chunks of skin off my arms and legs on the bitumen after a couple of cycling crashes. I healed up quite quickly with no infections so they seemed to better than standard bandages. Cost a fortune changing them twice a day originally, then once a day for a few weeks.

Found this about infection and silver...

Silver really COULD be the new weapon against superbugs: Adding it to antibiotics boosts effectiveness by 1,000 times | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2344583/Silver-really-COULD-new-weapon-superbugs-Adding-antibiotics-boosts-effectiveness-1-000-times.html)

[ramblingboy42]

There are very good studies showing going on a near starvation diet can help and even cure type 2. I know it is difficult however for the good of your health it could be worthwhile.

What an absolute load of rubbish....

Giving dietary advice on an open forum without knowledge is dangerous.

I am type 2 diabetic and my wife is a certified diabetes advisor and trainer with Medicare Local

One should seek the best professional advice from their doctor and through him or her should also be consulting a dietary advisor , and at least a podiatrist.

I cannot stress how important this relationship as diabetes 2 not looked after properly will very quickly become cardio vascular disease.

In fact , all diabetic 2 sufferers SHOULD be treated as cardio patients.

[donh54]

As far as the circulation and feelings in the feet go, try to find a Reflexology clinic in your area. I have found it to make a huge difference in them, as well as just generally improving the overall "wellness" (hate those buzzwords)

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[101RRS]

What an absolute load of rubbish....

Giving dietary advice on an open forum without knowledge is dangerous.



Well actually it is not a load of rubbish - plenty of bona-fide trials have shown that loosing weight to the lower end of the normal range can in some people put diabetes 2 into remission - though it comes back as soon as the weight comes back on.

Highlighting the results of studies into the disease is not giving dietary advice. A forum is a place for opinions, caveat emptor applies to all information contained therein - if you need facts then as you have highlighted you need to take advise from your health care professional.

Garry

[ramblingboy42]

There are very good studies showing going on a near starvation diet can help and even cure type 2. I know it is difficult however for the good of your health it could be worthwhile.

I would love to see these studies and show them to my wife.....she is a certified diabetes educator.

I am type 2 with a base line bgl of about 7 which I cannot lower without taking ridiculous measures which is not good for my health.

diabetes 2 requires a very healthy diet , not a heavily reduced one to maintain good control of the rest of the bodies organs which are affected.

it is the pancreas which needs support and everything else in the body should be well supported by good diet to take the load off the pancreas.

the circulatory system should be maintained at its peak hence the need to treat type2 diabetics as cardio patients and the constant reminder to include regular exercise activity as part of your normal lifestyle.

[djam1]

Ramblingboy42 you place quite a bit of emphasis on your wife being a qualified educator/ adviser.
I mean no disrespect to her but in my experience the Medical system and its remarkable lack of understanding of diabetes are a big part of the problem.
The advice I received over the 13 years I was under the care of the system was poor and ill informed. (here have another pill)
The advice of those with alternative ideas has been much more fruitful in my own life.

[101RRS]

Ramblingboy42 you place quite a bit of emphasis on your wife being a qualified educator/ adviser.
I mean no disrespect to her but in my experience the Medical system and its remarkable lack of understanding of diabetes are a big part of the problem.
The advice I received over the 13 years I was under the care of the system was poor and ill informed. (here have another pill)
The advice of those with alternative ideas has been much more fruitful in my own life.

I would have to totally agree - i found the diabetes education system to be a waste. If you ask questions to try to understand you are labelled troublesome as you are expected to follow and understand without question.

I no longer have anything to do with them and work closely with my GP who has a better understanding than the so called educators.

But then you do have to go with what you are happy with.

Garry

[Greatsouthernland]

Giving dietary advice on an open forum without knowledge is dangerous.



In fact , all diabetic 2 sufferers SHOULD be treated as cardio patients.



Technically 'giving' advice isn't dangerous at all, assuming the advisor is 'without knowledge' is probably unfair, but 'taking' unknowledgeable advice (if thats what it is) is actually the dangerous bit.

No offence, I know your wife wants the best outcome for you and this would be emotional to hear, but others have different opinions and they may often be based on solid evidence that may not meet the 'stringent' requirements to enter the mainstream treatment regime - Yet.

In consideration of your situation it may be offensive, but I guarantee other GPs would be considering 'alternative' treatments even if at the behest of their otherwise informed patients.

I wish you well in your management of type 2. Have you tried Colloidal silver? Has your wife researched it? if not then ask her to look into it without bias and let me know her opinion.

By the way, whilst I am qualified in Public Health and Epidemiology, I am not saying anyone is right or wrong, there may be different understandings and medical breakthroughs to come, I'm keeping an open mind. Caveat... always seek professional medical advice, if you aren't happy then seek another qualified opinion ... all common sense really....

Cheers! :D

Oh, edit (corrected your advice): All 'Americans' should be treated as 'potential' cardio patients :)

[ramblingboy42]

are you guys telling me the National Diabetes Service Scheme has it all wrong?

And just to let you know , my wife knows more about diabetes than most people in this country,

It is almost her primary role....to advise Doctors , nurses , patients and others in the primary care and assessment and treatment of type 2 diabetes and other chronic illnesses and to ensure best practises in the medical profession are being carried out

[Greatsouthernland]

are you guys telling me the National Diabetes Service Scheme has it all wrong?

And just to let you know , my wife knows more about diabetes than most people in this country,

It is almost her primary role....to advise Doctors , nurses , patients and others in the primary care and assessment and treatment of type 2 diabetes and other chronic illnesses and to ensure best practises in the medical profession are being carried out

Nope :). Are you saying anyone did?

I think most said talk to your GP. Maybe the education allows for individual thought and GPs aren't obliged to discredit other sources, i.e. medical journals and international studies...? Who knows? Lets ask a GP and not a nurse. Anyone know one who will comment?

[djam1]

Just saying that there are alternatives that actually work
I don't mean your wife any offense but this is a big industry here with many participants profiting from the misery of others.

[Greatsouthernland]

Just saying that there are alternatives that actually work
I don't mean your wife any offense but this is a big industry here with many participants profiting from the misery of others.

what he said ;)

[Pierre]

GSL, just to really set fire to your undies, there are many older GPs, both men and women, who almost instantly refer NIDDs and IDDs to educators for PRIMARY advice.


The most important thing, not even canvassed in the thread, is to locate and consult an EXPERT endocrinologist who can both monitor the condition and liaise with the GP/Educator team. GPs may have good contacts here, and educators will certainly have good contacts.


Just like with mechanics, there are well informed GPs and educators, and there are others.


Pete

[djam1]

I consulted the experts they were seriously lacking.
With a little bit of research I was suggesting what they should be doing, the agenda at hand appeared to be put me on drugs for the rest of my life.

[Greatsouthernland]

GSL, just to really set fire to your undies, there are many older GPs, both men and women, who almost instantly refer NIDDs and IDDs to educators for PRIMARY advice.


The most important thing, not even canvassed in the thread, is to locate and consult an EXPERT endocrinologist who can both monitor the condition and liaise with the GP/Educator team. GPs may have good contacts here, and educators will certainly have good contacts.


Just like with mechanics, there are well informed GPs and educators, and there are others.


Pete

No probs Pierre :D Im not wearing any, just in-case someone tried.

BTW, I'm just supporting those who say what you say, and I said the same, but single me out, :eek: that's fine. I agree with your post though ;)

[superquag]

This is a 'politically INcorrect' response, and I make no apologies for the content, tone or grammar, or any offence that may be taken/inferred/proven. As has been said, your choice as to your response...

Coming from a background of a Type II 'diabetic' for around half my life who has generally believed, followed and tried to practice all the 'good'advice of conventional medicine..and slowly but surely gotten worse...who then took the guidelines of a science journalist...and effectively reversed the disease as well as dropping (to date) 30kg of belly fat as well as lots and lots of nasty numbers, such as HbA1c and blood pressure.

And off ALL my 'diabetic' and cardiac meds...

My own experience with Doctors, Endocrinologists very experienced in Diabetes, and other 'diabetic industry' advisors... tells me that either, they have no idea about 'Type II Diabetes'...or don't want to find out. Their ignorance may be simply because they're faithful members of the Conventional Medical Religion. :angel:

No, its not a starvation diet, or anything like it. Nor was it "exercise" that did the deed. Simply eating/not eating certain food types. And I'm never hungry.

My cardiologist is supportive and enthusiastic (he's the youngest of the lot) , my GP is bemused worried.. (He's middle-aged+). and best of all is the (older) Endo. who is *not* happy... with how I've achieved this.... :twisted:

Just in that, there's a ginormous clue...

As a parting shot, if you want dietry advice, you're better off to consult a Vet, rather than a GP.... they're taught lots more about nutrition than your Doctor. - And 'nutritionists' don't know much more... despite telling it better!

[Rosco8]

Just to throw my 2 cents into this debate.

I will use my wife as an analogy, as I haven't the alternative experience with diabetes. My wife has quite bad MS and with a cousin and sister (both ex nurses) fully into alternative treatments she has tried heaps of things, the rest of us reckons she must have the most expensive urine in Sydney with what she flushes thru her system. Colloidal Silver a while back was the miracle cure, also Copper (from India) and we went along for the ride. Downside, expensive and a high risk of these things becoming toxic. I called it quits for her to the majority of it, as it wasn't helping her at all, she was still getting regular attacks.

The only thing out of the 3 years of trying everything that worked was at the end of this period was the introduction of Betaferon that slowed it right down, doesn't stop it but reduced the attacks and the severity of the attacks a lot. So in this case, the medical profession was right, the alternatives mainly wrong (she still takes all the minerals and vitamins).

Of other interest is even between Medical professions there is different advice, I have a few examples, but lets use the CCSVI (restricted neck veins) experience. So she was sleeping most of the day and night and just listless, not good, so we heard about CCSVI and I researched it. Found a specialist who had the right equipment and we discovered the right vein in the neck was running around 20% or less flow, as the specialist said, its not neurological, its plumbing and the flow out of the brain is restricting the flow into the brain. I watched him do the test and double checked his figures comparing left, centre and right veins. Overall she was in trouble. We had it ballooned a couple of week later and within 3 days she was up and about as mentally and physically as she had been a year before. Now trials and studies have been done and its conclusive, their is no connection between the CCSVI and MS. All I can say is jeez, it must have been a coincidence then.

Back to Diabetes 2, if we are treating it like chronic coronary disease (which I also have) then isn't getting rid of the weight key to both ? Getting there, in a controlled process would have to be a winner ?? Reducing the additional stress on the body, reducing the need for additional energy to move the additional mass and therefore the load on the pancreas ?? I know I wish I had 30 kgs less and the discipline to get there !!

[Greatsouthernland]

Hey Super, I'm interested in what diet you follow, agree, the whole food pyramid has been turned upside down in my lifetime...I don't have type 2, but dont want it, so am interested in your nutritional success.

[superquag]

are you guys telling me the National Diabetes Service Scheme has it all wrong?

And just to let you know , my wife knows more about diabetes than most people in this country,

It is almost her primary role....to advise Doctors , nurses , patients and others in the primary care and assessment and treatment of type 2 diabetes and other chronic illnesses and to ensure best practises in the medical profession are being carried out

Yes. - I reckon they're a wonderful mix of truth and mis-information... like the following bit:-

In type 2 diabetes, the pancreas makes some insulin but it is not produced in the amount your body needs and it does not work effectively.


Insidious, IMHO, because the door is immediately opened for medical intervention and the victim conditioned to seek a "better" quality and quantity of, insulin. - No mention of... the body's increasing insensitivity to insulin...or WHY this state of affairs came about..

If you have a pounding headache, you could try various meditations, exercise, aspirin, painkillers, opiates even... but a better solution might be...to stop banging your head.

Funny thing, as far as I can see, only the despised and derided 'Alternative Medical' scene is aware of, and interested in reversing the causes & conditions that brings about what we pigeon-hole as Type 2 Diabetes.

"Argumentum ad Verecundiam" or blindly worshipping a Professional White Coat as being the Oracle of Wisdom...simply because they wear a White Coat with 'Professor' attached to their name... Not sorry... it's not a valid argument!

[djam1]

"The only certain barrier to truth is the presumption you already have it."

[loneranger]

Hey Super, I'm interested in what diet you follow, agree, the whole food pyramid has been turned upside down in my lifetime...I don't have type 2, but dont want it, so am interested in your nutritional success.

Hi GSL,

Not answering for Superquag but if you want to avoid it do some reading on Low Carb High Fat (LCHF) there's some links earlier in the thread.

This link is what got us started on the journey after my wife read it.

Insulin Resistance: The Real Culprit (http://nourishedmagazine.com.au/blog/articles/insulin-resistance-the-real-culprit)

My wife's initial reaction was to think it was too hard and she put it aside. Everytime she had a fibro flare she did more research and the research she was doing kept pointing to insulin resistance being the key to controlling inflammation.

It took her about 2 years of chronic pain and compulsive research to accept it and for both of us since making the change its the best we've felt for a long time.

The other key to research is to research the history of the food pyramid and how those dietary recommendations came about.

[Greatsouthernland]

Thanks Loneranger and thanks Superquag for the pm. Heaps of yummy research :D

It's great to see success from those taking the initiative to seek a cure.

I don't mean to knock the other treatments either Ramblingboy, I wouldn't know 5% of what you and your wife know. I really hope you stay on top of it and I think your wife is very knowledgeable to be in the position she is in, she is surely committed and successful, all the best to you both in this journey.

Peace and good wishes to all struggling with health issues, and middle age like me :angel: good times :)

[superquag]

"The only certain barrier to truth is the presumption you already have it."

Yep. It's the treatment (!) I got from the 'Establishment' ... "WE know best" sort of approach... - The Gods have ordained a 'Randomized, placebo-controlled double-blind, peer-reviewed (drug company funded ?) study as being the only path to Happiness & Prosperity...
Trouble is, weak, mortal, imperfect humans are running the show and guided just a much by financial / career interests.


The other barrier to Truth, is refusal to accept it, when your current view is radically different... generally when it goes against pre-conceived ideas or status quo...

Or someone's job. :o

Edit:- Sorry, missed that bit. Yes, to distill my 'diet'... Bearing in mind that this is full-on and done to 'cure' Type II, lose heaps of fat, and totally annoy the Dept of Transport as well as the Medical Establishment. The Aim Points are:-

ZERO carbs, - including all fruit.....and grains
Moderate protein (50 to 90 grams per day, average)
HEAPS of FAT.... butter, coconut oil, Olive oil and animal-fat from cattle & sheep & oinkers. Plus Aussie nuts. Macadamia, walnut, pecans etc.
and,
Lots of green and leafy stuff, celery, Brussel sprouts etc.
NO spuds. EVER.
Lots of herbals/spices... cinnamon, tumeric, cayenne peppers, Himalayan salt (for my BP...) to name a few...

CREAM in my coffee - less carbs than fresh (?) milk... and now, butter in my tea. :)

[Greatsouthernland]

[I]

As a parting shot, if you want dietry advice, you're better off to consult a Vet, rather than a GP.... they're taught lots more about nutrition than your Doctor. - And 'nutritionists' don't know much more... despite telling it better!

Turned out well for the Bondi Vet!!!!

Bondi Vet Dr Chris Brown reveals he didn't go to a human doctor until he was 16-years-old because his veterinarian father used to treat him with animal medicine | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2744420/Bondi-Vet-Dr-Chris-Brown-reveals-didn-t-human-doctor-16-veterinarian-ather-used-treat-animal-medicine.html)

[superquag]

No names, but I know of country Vet, married to a GP, who learned this the hard way.
- Afflicted with a nasty condition... Wife/conventional medicine was unable to help... things looked grim... in a flash of genius he decided to treat himself - nutritionally - as he would do for an animal with the same problem.

Reversed and fixed over several months. Still alive and prognosis is excellent.

Bottom line is, and the Big Surprise for both of them.. Vets are taught enormous amounts and details about 'Nutrition' whereas her course was, relatively, nothing.:eek:

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