BEAR IS BROKEN!!

[digger]

Went to servo filled Bear up
checked all fluids (as I do at least once a week)
Headed towards Adelaide and 10 k later Bear was sluggish
temp just under centre. No lights etc
stopped and checked under bonnet .. can hear the water in the hoses boiling!!!

Checked overflow and there was less oil in the water when the Exxon Valdez went down

So BEAR is now home and I called Lr assist
they‘ll collect him tomorrow and full lift to Adelaide to Solitaires to see what happens..

I fear the worst. so anyone else had this occur?
I have had all recall etc work done so hoses all appear intact..

what is the go..and how long does it take as I‘m pretty stuffed for a car while its gone!
(And HANS has no brakes at the moment!)

Very depressed at the mo..
(And wasted 4 tickets to Afl now)

[windsock]

This was about to disappear to page two of the general stuff. Thought I'd bring it back to the top. Probably should post this in the appropriate vehicle forum (110 defender I presume) to get tech assistance. Sorry cannot help you myself. All the best though. Reference to exxon was scary... :(

[Outback 1]

Is it a td5 it is I would be looking at the oil cooler

Sent from my GT-S7275Y using AULRO mobile app

[sheerluck]

If Bear is a 2012, then at least he's still under warranty. However, oil and water together sounds head gasket-like and unlikely to be a 5 minute fix.

Bummer. :(

[incisor]

not good news digger..

hope it works out well in the end....

[jimr1]

Sorry to hear about you truck , I hope It's not to major and your back on the road some . good luck Jim....

[jimr1]

Sorry to hear about you truck , I hope It's not to major and your back on the road soon . good luck Jim....

[digger]

This was about to disappear to page two of the general stuff. Thought I'd bring it back to the top. Probably should post this in the appropriate vehicle forum (110 defender I presume) to get tech assistance. Sorry cannot help you myself. All the best though. Reference to exxon was scary... :(

Yes, posted in wrong spot, sorry did it from my phone...just posting was a hard job (small keys /bigger fingers!)

Can this be flicked to the Defender section in the pinnicles, thanks

and for info its a 2.2l, 2013MY 110.....

which now just looks "pretty"..... :(

[Wildcard8]

Wow, for such a new vehicle this is very odd.

Maybe have to scrounge the ford forums to see if they have had problems. Will have a scour around today if i get time and report back.

Im also replying to have this on my easy reference postings so i can follow your progress. Good luck and im sure you can scalp your AFL tickets.

[BilboBoggles]

Perhaps this is the best outcome! You'll get a new engine. Much better than a slight fault that lingers for ever and never gets fixed - like overheating on hills etc.

[The ho har's]

Oh no, Poor Digger :( Poor BEAR:(

Mrs hh:angel:

[noyakfat]

Sucks the big one, but let's keep fingers crossed for a new engine "present" for the bear :D

[digger]

OK Solitaires have Bear. They've had a look and rang me this arvo with the verdict...

An oil seal has failed .. theyve ordered another seal. b
And will replace oil cooler. "Just in case"
Theyll also fully flush motor etc and service Bear also.

My Q is ... will that be enough? I assume if they say it will be all thats needed then it will
be ok... still nervous though...

Hopefully ok by tomorrow arvo...
Apparently this isn't a common fault..
they are being great ..apologising for any delay etc
even though none of it caused by them..

8
Cheers everyone!

[Wildcard8]

This is warranty work i assume, therefore the repairs should carry some sort of warranty. Even if its insurance work they warranty the repairs so you should be all good.

So i guess just have to monitor the engine and if anything seems out of place, maybe due to overheating then take it back and say there is related.

What tests can they do to see if the overheating caused any damage?

A good result though digger.

[wrinklearthur]

Hi Digger

I would get them to do a compression test and give you the results regardless of whether they are good or bad.

At least it gives you a reference point to know at where the engine is.

I wonder if a Laparoscope can be passed down the holes the glowplugs are fitted in?
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[BilboBoggles]

Once oil has got into the coolant - I'd be concerned about long term damage to all of the rubber bits. I could imagine - perhaps I have too much imagination - that it would be quite difficult to flush all of the oil out of the coolant system, and that eventually residual oil might cause hoses to swell and seals to leak. Maybe not during the warranty period - but perhaps a few years down the track. I know for example that a miniscule amount of oil contamination in the brake fluid would eat out the rubber in the master/slave cylinder.. (Does that apply to the coolant system?)


And all dealers are programmed to automatically say " Oh, I've never seen this happen before - must be a once off" even if they have a forecourt full of the same issue.

I'd be on the phone to LandRover customer assist and get them to reassure you that any concerns are unfounded, and if they are so sure to put it in writing.

[digger]

So an update:

Theyve flushed and flushed, they replaced the oil cooler, (and were happy to replace all the hoses at my request - although I got the impression they may have already ordered them etc)


They have repeatedly flushed the system and the head mechanic isnt happy, so today they replaced the radiator for a new one... (thats 36,000k of locust and bugs gone :) ) they have reflushed it a few times again and run it again.
Mechanic is reasonably happy but wants car to sit overnights and be tested again in morning before theyll release it and truck it back to me.


I have been kept pretty much in the loop the whole way by Louis in the service department, if I ask and he doesnt know, he says so and asks and actually rings me back!


Theyre also doing the 40k service (lets be honest its half done anyway) and so all I should have to do is wash it when it gets back! (I had done 10 kilometres after filling it to the absolute brim so at least its fuelled up already! )


We are 5kms from town so Ive had a few long walks home after work at 3am in -2degrees (its invigorating!) I am sure that was good for me but I prefer that scenery at that hour through defender glass!

Looking forward to getting it back but as I said I believe Land Rover have seemed to do right by me here.

[Chops]

When we had dealings with Solitaires, we found them to be very good and also seemed to be very honest as well.
Had we not been so far from home, we would have left the car with them to deal with. Had I not been so stressed out and thinking a bit better, I could have actually made it happen.

Still, all the best with it Nigel, hope he runs well now.

[Basil135]

Might pop down the road & pay Bear a visit.

Just to make sure he is happy, before his ride home... ;)

[digger]

About 3pm I was told he was waiting for a flatbed to bring him home.
Louis has emailed me a copy of work done and has put a copy in the service book in Bear also..

So I awaited his arrival expecting a 6pm type arrival.... Nope..nothing and
as they were closed at Solitaires I tried Land Rover assist who understandably couldn't help.

I assume they have held him until tomorrow (well today now) or the
towie has him loaded and decided to wait... either way now Im probably having to swap shifts to take the day off awaiting delivery.

On a good note though.... apparently they detailed Bear this morning just to make him pretty!

So one more sleep and hopefully all is good.

[JamesB71]

Regarding dealers pleading ignorance to known problems; when my puma blew its turbo hose the dealer told me hes never heard of it happening before... Im assuming it must have been his first day and he lived under a rock in tibet with no wifi prior....

[The ho har's]

UMMMM where is bear??

That was 2 days ago..I am loosing sleep over this ;)

Mrs hh:angel:

[Bundalene]

Hibernating ? :D:D





Erich

[digger]

Bear arrived back at 8pm on Thursday night, the service guys had to chase the towies to get it brought back by then!!

I was trying to repair my tractor on Friday so didnt use him at all, and
this morning at 7am Nay and the kids headed off to the footy grand finals,
both the teams my lads played for are in the g/finals... the U13's needed to be there by 8am, car is ready (its just come back after all) its still full of fuel and it is dead set cleaner than when I got it (and it was good then!)
Off she goes, 15k later I get a phone call, "its done it again"

Car was sluggish, Nay stopped, temp guage was normal then when stopped up to high....

I took Nays car up and they went off..(By the way Wills team lost but Toms team won (undefeated all year) )
Mate came out and being very generous with his ability to share all the land rover jokes he could think of towed Bear and I back home... when I first got to the car on the side of the road I let it cool a bit whilst I waited for my mate (he was quick though) but when I tried to open the expansion bottloe it was still steaming etc, so I shut it... dont know it anything in the coolant.

I had to go to work, rang LR assist, they are arranging a tow, Rang Solitaires and spoke with Louis again, he sounded even more disappointed than I was that this happened, theyre arranging a loan car of some sort until Bear comes back... The towies (contractors) rang, "will collect on Sunday morning at 8" ," no you wont as noone will be here I leave for work the latest at 7.30 on days".... "OK says them, be there between 8 and 9pm", "OK with me" Later rang back, "we'll collect keys from you at work and get it on monday abt 10!! "

"Pigs arse says I (using a sort of work reference!:angel:) I would like it at Solitaires about opening time aso they get a fair shot at it straight away" We'll ring you back.......(that was about 1230... still no call back confirming times etc)

Anyway tonight I finished work at 6, and had CFS duties until almost 9pm...
get home, torch out, lift bonnet and lift bonnet strut "PING" "what was that??

The bit of plastic that holds the bonnet support in place when its down snapped in two and one part of the 'cup' shot across into the engine bay somewhere..

That was it, Ive reached my limit so closed the bonnet and came inside.
I havent looked at anything else, I am not sure I want to know...
I was keen as blazes when Bear came back but Im a bit jaded now for the moment... I realise its probably no ones fault etc but ...well... bugger!

At the moment my luck is such that:
if poo was money my backside would close up and grow over...:o:(

or they'd wait until the day after I go away for 10 days to announce they are giving gun buggies away free for a week ..

[Chops]

Sorry to hear this Digger,, in regards to the tow truck, I think I'd have rung LR Assist and told them to deal with them.

I understand your feelings at present with all and sundry. Hope it gets sorted for you ASAP.

[wrinklearthur]

Bugger! X2

Sorry to read that things haven't gone right.

[Basil135]

Mate, I feel your pain.

I didn't drive, and barely looked at my car for nearly 3 weeks after the window tinting debacle. And in hindsight, that was minor.

Gotta go for a walk down there later, so I will check up on Bear, and make sure he is ok.

[digger]

OK, 6am BEAR went onto the truck with Shaun,
( Shaun is the tow contractor who has had all the trips with BEAR he is
becoming quite a dab hand at getting to our property! )

Cheeky sod offers to put "dial a tow" mudflaps on Bear as he has nibbled at the mudflap on now!! (I'm sure it was tongue in cheek.... I think it was anyway!)

I got a telephone call from Louis at about noon, there was a loan car on the way up (with "my towie" shaun!) and sure enough a flash looking freelander two shows up!. I got him to park it at work and finished my shift .

I come outside after work and some bastards been playing with the car!, the mirror is folded in... so before straightening that I unlocked the car and the bloody mirror fixed itself! (fancy!) I got in.... no where for key... put key in pocket, start car with "modern push starter" button (see its still part series in there somewhere :) ).

Try to adjust seat, no handle.... check glove box... no book, It took a full minute for me to sort my seat out ... Then the steering wheel goes up and down and in and out.... flash!

It is very "electrical' - a slight change from bear! Got home and parked in drive, locked car and the bloody mirror folds itself in, (so it can look at itself maybe? )

Louis said he will call me when he knows anything...

so the wait begins... I miss it already.

[Chops]

Nice loan car dude,, :D All I got was a lousy little Volvo :mad:

You'll be able to give an aprasel (?S) and let us know if you'd take it out into the never never ;)
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/205461-4wds-too-high-tech-bush.html

Anyway, I hope they sort Bear out soon for you.

[digger]

Nice loan car dude,, :D All I got was a lousy little Volvo :mad:

You'll be able to give an aprasel (?S) and let us know if you'd take it out into the never never ;)
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/205461-4wds-too-high-tech-bush.html

Anyway, I hope they sort Bear out soon for you.

Thanks,

I think its appraisal (but I'm not sure either!!)

Its flash but I get nervous at so many electronics..
and its low.... when you onen the bonnet the motor top is 6" down..
(I think this is so you get the LAND ROVER FREELANDER2 ENGINE BASKET KIT which is for putting the food you are cooking in as it cooks as you drive)

Looking down alongside the motor it seems deep, so very deep (like the car has a basement deep!!) BUT, I shall report back after I send it back... I think Nay may drive this and I'll drive the magna for a bit... see what she says!

[Tombie]

HSE Freelander? I had it for a week - they go really well.. (On private roads of course)

[Basil135]

Personally, I think you are making Bear lame, just so you can go thru the stock of loan cars, trying each one as you go...

I suppose next time, it will be a Discovery??? Or would sir prefer an Autobiography? ;)


:wasntme:


:angel:

[digger]

Personally, I think you are making Bear lame, just so you can go thru the stock of loan cars, trying each one as you go...

I suppose next time, it will be a Discovery??? Or would sir prefer an Autobiography? ;)


:wasntme:


:angel:

Unless they have a gunbuggy Im happy with a defer thanks!

Im not a big fan of the gadgets etc... my preference thats all..

Its a si4 se (??) anyway its nice and nay drove it to work this morning so will be interesting...may convert her yet! (for confirmation watch for flying pigs and HELL brand Ice ! :) )

It is good of them to send up a nice car though and much better than "shank's pony" :)

And a discovery?? no thanks I dont like big cars...I'll stick with the defender.... :twisted:

If you do visit Bear he usually gets a tailight rub every couple days....
(I tell Nay its to rub the dust off but...well... you know.....)

Awaiting news of what they find...... (once they know they'll give me a call)


just so you can go thru the stock of loan cars, trying each one as you go...
They do have an F type jag sporty race looking thing in bright orange as a loan vehicle (for the jaggies I assume)...that'd be good across the paddock at my place :p

[digger]

Phone call from Louis (whilst I was at a fire with CFS!) telling me that a sensor was buggered and that is what had caused the problem, should have BEAR back towards the end of the week.I'd love to tell you which sensor but as I was directing the effort on my side of the fire and trying to keep it from scrub, i didnt really concentrate!

Apparently they didnt realise the sensor could be affected, when test run etc it performed OK (apparently for the last time!) -- new one being imported and then (after more tests) should be OK!

Bit of a relief really!

[Basil135]

Bear is resting comfortably in the Big Blue House.

I got a few strange looks, but gave his tail light a rub. Well, it might have been more like a tickle. I swear, he gave a slight little shudder, and there was some fluid underneath, that wasn't there before. :o Just for reference, it was his left tail light, wasn't it?

He has a blanket at night, and free run of the workshop during the day. The staff report he has being behaving, albeit, he does keep making a bit of a mess on the floor.

Oh, and Louis said they will sing the Goodbye Song when he leaves. :angel:

[digger]

Bear is resting comfortably in the Big Blue House.

I got a few strange looks, but gave his tail light a rub. Well, it might have been more like a tickle. I swear, he gave a slight little shudder, and there was some fluid underneath, that wasn't there before. :o Just for reference, it was his left tail light, wasn't it?

He has a blanket at night, and free run of the workshop during the day. The staff report he has being behaving, albeit, he does keep making a bit of a mess on the floor.

Oh, and Louis said they will sing the Goodbye Song when he leaves. :angel:



LEFT tail light????

What are you, some kind of perv?????:eek::eek:

Thanks for the update, he would be very much the country bumpkin in the playroom there I would imagine.

Louis rang me again today, he has told me they are replacing a valve (yep I forgot which one again) and the heater core to ensure that everything is covered... That means that at the moment the dash is out (should have got them to run a power and a cb aerial coax through...:( ) and its all being done. They hope to have it done on friday but will look at a monday or tuesday return as they can then check it thouroughly before he comes back .

And Nay doesnt mind the freelander either.... maybe this is some sort of ploy by Landrover.... nice move!

[digger]

Phone call again yesterday, they still aren't happy with BEAR, apparently on the test run still sluggish but theyve dropped the coolant again and no trace of contaminants.

Whilst he's been there they took his dash out and replaced or cleaned all heater and air con in there to be sure..

So although I'd love my car back, I am happy they are not willing to send it unless it's fixed to a standard they are satisfied with.

And as Ive already said, Im being kept in the loop with phone calls at least every few days. That keeps me on side and makes it tolerable. So, disappointed in the fault but not in the service at this stage!

(and this car theyve loaned me keeps "pinging" at me (the lights are on, the handbrakes on, the seatbelt isnt done up, etc etc etc...))

[Basil135]

Phone call again yesterday, they still aren't happy with BEAR, apparently on the test run still sluggish but theyve dropped the coolant again and no trace of contaminants.

Whilst he's been there they took his dash out and replaced or cleaned all heater and air con in there to be sure..

So although I'd love my car back, I am happy they are not willing to send it unless it's fixed to a standard they are satisfied with.

And as Ive already said, Im being kept in the loop with phone calls at least every few days. That keeps me on side and makes it tolerable. So, disappointed in the fault but not in the service at this stage!

(and this car theyve loaned me keeps "pinging" at me (the lights are on, the handbrakes on, the seatbelt isnt done up, etc etc etc...))

And why are YOU driving it??????

Louis assures me they they played, "Welcome, welcome, welcome to the Big Blue House" as he arrived. ( For those of you without small people, use the Google.)

Been meaning to catch up with Bear in the Big Blue House.

Yes, I did tickle his left tail-light. A little bit of information to say that this was the wrong one BEFORE I did it would have been handy...

I do suspect that he is enjoying his time, and sent my own Black Beast in for a day to keep him company.

If he is still there in a couple of weeks, :o I will drop in again & give him a cuddle for you. :angel:

[digger]

OK, they've replaced sensors, fuses, cables and valves but even with tuning, downloading, uploading and reprogramming they cannot stop the car from
getting to 3000rev and when sustained for a while it shuts everything into limp mode but keeps pointing in different directions as to the fault.

They've been sending stuff to Land Rover HQ and back and after a week of suggestions - they've been unable to fix it.

So today I've been contacted, Land Rover think it's gone on too long and have decided a new heart for Bear.

They have all the parts (incl new engine) already in Australia (that must be a first !) so hopefully next Friday with a new motor fitted Bear will be back.

I am a bit disappointed at an engine change but it will all be recorded via the factory and records etc but I 'spose I'm pleased at the fact they have gone through as much as they can and then moved straight forward into engine replacement.

As usual I've been contacted every time something new comes up and every 3 or 4 days at least to keep me informed, I certainly can't/won't complain about their customer service here.

[Chops]

G'day Nigel,
Have they replaced the ECU do you know. Mines been swapped out twice, then it took another company to do a fresh Pilot read before she started to work again.
I hope they get it sorted for you soon dude.

Cheers

[mark_coffey]

If it makes you feel better, my defender didn't calm down until about 100,000km.
But it didn't need a heart transplant!


All BS aside, I hope you get Bear back and your faith in it soon!

[digger]

Engine arrived in a crate from Sydney on Friday.

They started install and prep then and are I believe in possession of MOST parts!..

Hey, If this doesnt work do you think I can choose what colour I get a replacement Bear in??

Seriously though the hope is that end of the week all should be done and OK. Will be good to be back in the defer ..

Didnt go away as planned on October l/we as didnt have my car to take, bit disappointing as I dont get too many long weekends off.. Oh well, lifes like that I 'spose.

On the up side, driving the freelander 2 around has helped me make money... Ive bought scissors and a brush as everyone asks if Im a hairdresser!!! :twisted::wasntme::twisted: (ducks and giggles as obviously baiting others on forum is likely to get flamed!!)


PS: Not sure why I narrated the last bit like a piece of lost Goon Show!!Sorry!

The Goon Show - The Lost Emperor - YouTube

[Dinty]

I caught 'Max' trying to start my gunbuggy last night, he must have been reading these posts over Mrs Dinty's shoulder, he was apprehended n sent to bed for his troubles LOL, sorry to hear about your woes mate, and I have said it before, if only you lived a few K's away, cheers mate Dennis

[digger]

I caught 'Max' trying to start my gunbuggy last night, he must have been reading these posts over Mrs Dinty's shoulder, he was apprehended n sent to bed for his troubles LOL, sorry to hear about your woes mate, and I have said it before, if only you lived a few K's away, cheers mate Dennis

Srewth, I'll move if it means I can steal the gunbuggy!!

Max (or agent 86 as he is known here)deserves a CSC for his efforts..

just in case he is reading over your shoulder..
86: WOOF WOOF, GRR, PANT, PANT, GRR, WOOF, HOWWWWWL, GRR.
Im not sure if you knew he could read, just before he was "planted" with you I was walking down the street with him and he stopped and read a sign that said 'WET PAINT" and then he did.


cheers!

[Dinty]

Digger, Max has been doing a lot of that lately 'wet this n that :mad::(;) cheers mate Dennis :angel:

[digger]

85367

A photo of the new organ before transplant.

I am hoping the op goes well!

PS: This engine has a new "power up" feature, its only 2.2 but if you click on it, it gets bigger!:twisted:

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Interesting when my SDV6 had a melt down LRA sent a long engine for the replacement.

[digger]

A mate at work has started referring to Bear as "Oscar"

I asked why and he says its after Oscar Pistorius!

when questioned he trotted out, "Cause I doubt we'll see it run again"

mongrel!:censored: :p

[wrinklearthur]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/10/1015.jpg
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[digger]

Just been sent this photo...

(pretty good service when not only do they keep me in the loop on the phone, theyre sending me photos! :) )



85499


excitement building, but it has to pass the shakedown first! :o

[p38arover]

(And wasted 4 tickets to Afl now)


Couldn't use the work car and turn on the pretty lights to help get through traffic and to the game on time? :p

[85 county]

Digger don't like motors, puma, puutrrooll, falcoon and what ever else i do not know about. all fubard by digger

[digger]

Latest update:
Motor in and running OK,
they are getting a download from LAND ROVER for the fuel system computer

hopefully when thats done back it comes, mon or tuesday... hopefully!

[digger]

Couldn't use the work car and turn on the pretty lights to help get through traffic and to the game on time? :p

Like a lot of people I dont like taking a work car home. :)

[p38arover]

Like a lot of people I dont like taking a work car home. :)

Yair, they expect you to bring it back. :mad:

[wrinklearthur]

Like a lot of people I dont like taking a work car home. :)

And there are a few that would not like seeing those work cars at all. :wasntme:
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[Basil135]

Well??

News? Updates? Information? ;)

[digger]

Well??

News? Updates? Information? ;)

Funny you should ask, Khemo sabe!

Call today, the shakedown trips have all tested well etc, they will drop and replace all fluids again as a precaution and then it should be on a truck and headed back to me.... and that will be a very good thing! :D

[85 county]

i think a name change is in order

it white
it needs assistance to uuummm
your employment


Panda

[Basil135]

Just went & visited Bear.

He is looking well, and should be discharged today. Still had his hospital gown on, and his bum was poking out a little. Can we say bum on here? Or should it be butt?

Anyways, I wished him well, and gave him some toys to play with on the long journey home.

[Tombie]

Butt hehehe you said butt

[wrinklearthur]

Good to see that Bear is on the mend, after all that work it is just a well it was done under warranty and full marks to your dealer for their efforts in returning the Bear to full working order!

For those who are now driving that same year Puma and have since passed through the end of their warranty period, how would you summarise that list of fault events leading to the demise of the first engine and what warning signs should they be looking out for in case the same problems arise?

Go Bear!

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/10/631.jpg
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