Toilet Paper

[Chenz]

Having just completed the latest Edjit Adventure though the Simpson - see trip report by Bushie at http://www.aulro.com/afvb/multi-state-reports/203738-2014-edjits-simpson-desert-centreing-tour-6.html
I could not get over the amount of toilet paper that was strewn around almost every place we went to that had a set of tyre tracks. From tracks on the Murray River near Renmark, to outback tracks such as the French Line, Warburton and Strezlecki.

As the vast majority of these pieces of paper had no "signature" on them, one makes the likely deduction that they are used by our travelling female fraternity when engaged in No.1s.

I fail to see how hard it is to use a shovel, or in the case of desert areas, where the ground is loose sand, to cover these deposits with a simple kick.

It is a shame that a visit to a location is spoilt by having to see dunny paper stuck to shrubs and grass.

I am happy to receive feedback on why it is so hard to cover up a bit of paper!:o

[gusthedog]

On my travels around Oz I too have become alarmed at the amount of loo paper across this wide brown land.

My advice: Don't bury it or cover it up. Collect it and burn it when possible or place appropriately in rubbish bins where available (obviously not in the Simpson etc). It will quickly become un-buried in wind or with feral animals about. I go further and carry my poo out too in a portable loo. Then I dispose of it at a dump point. Again not palatable on the Simpson but possible. And you get my point.

[windsock]

It is a common problem here in NZ too.

A sign I saw once a while ago...


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[Bearman]

Everywhere seems to be the same these days. People are just too lazy to dispose of it properly. Some time ago on a trip to one of my favourite spots in the Gulf country we came to our camp site and found some lazy ***** had laid a No 2 in the middle of the camp area and then dropped the paper on top and walked away. I could not believe someone would do this. There was plenty of area around the camp site that they could have went to and then buried it like most others did.

[weeds]

**** happens I guess..........

my trip to moreton at easter presented the same issue, right in the middle of a nicely grassed camping spot somebody has dug a hole, had a crap and couldn't be bothered filling in the hole and left paper strewn around the top

[Chucaro]

There are some individuals with "weird behavior" to put it in a nice way :censored:
In few walking tracks were dog poo bags and bins to disposal them are supplied by the local authorities people pick up the poo and then leave the used bags in the bush :confused: :mad:
If they do this what we can expect them to do in the outback?

[rangieman]

Yep one of my secluded spots in the vic high country i frequent during the last vist some lazy so and so had done a #2 on the rocks about a metre from the river with toilet paper and the evidence left behind:twisted: .

Totaly disgusting for more reasons also inc all their rubbish strewn everywhere and broken bottles as well :twisted:.
Im not abusive but if id caught these ass holes im sure i could be:angel:

[Chenz]

Even in the most remote spots like this one between the Colson Track and Geosurveys Hill with no vegetation cover, our resident Wombat would dig a hole approx 1 metre deep for the group and this would be filled in prior to leaving the next morning.

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It is not that hard and leaves the place clean and tidy. Even on a morning tea or lunch stop both the guys and the girls would grab a shovel and do the right thing.

[snafubar]

And here i was thinking this was going to be another 'always wear two pairs of socks in the bush' lesson.....:rolleyes:

[slug_burner]

Tourist flags, they can be found everywhere tourists have been, strewn all over the place as the wind hangs them off bushes but often flying without a mast.

I'm sorry wombats, good attempt however animals in the desert will dig down for a smelly calorie snack and at that time the paper flags will come up and be free to be moved by the wind.

It comes down to the people who are more aware of this problem to educate the people on the trip to do the right thing. Short of a total fire ban in which case you should carry the paper out, keep a box of matches with the roll, burn the paper before filling the whole back up.

[goingbush]

Generally people are disgusting things,
I refrain from calling them animals, at least animals have a high level of hygiene.


Id rather stand barefooted in cow**** than step on human **** with boots on.

any wonder why we avoid the iconic 4x4 routes

[Roverlord off road spares]

On my travels around Oz I too have become alarmed at the amount of loo paper across this wide brown land.

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this wide brown land

[Bytemrk]

**** happens I guess..........

my trip to moreton at easter presented the same issue, right in the middle of a nicely grassed camping spot somebody has dug a hole, had a crap and couldn't be bothered filling in the hole and left paper strewn around the top

I was about to describe these people as arsewipes..... but I guess that's actually the problem. :angel:

So many people just don't give a crap and don't think of anyone but themselves.

Bog roll, a shovel and a lighter...it's just not that hard!:mad:

[bob10]

These don't take up much room, & nowadays "eco" friendly products to be used with them. & popup tents for privacy. A bit of over kill, perhaps, but I can see the day, if tourists keep their filthy habits up, where it may be compulsory to take one bush with you. A pity, Bob

A review from another forum



Thetford Porta Pottie Review<h1>





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After visiting campsites where the toilets were so disgusting that we were nearly ill even going near them, it was time to investigate something that would help camping for the girls! A camping toilet was called for.

Yes, it was a bit of a luxury and the males in the family thought digging a hole or behind a bush would suffice, but the females thought differently.

So we researched the world of chemical camping toilets, and decided on a
Porta Pottie made by Thetford (model 345).

We chose this one because it was a good size for our travels. The top tank (water for flushing) holds around 15L and the waste tank holds 12L. There is an indicator on the bottom to advise when the waste tank is filling.

We chose the flushing method of the piston as it is meant to be more durable. It costs a bit more, but we are discovering that you get what you pay for!

We use BioMagic for the solution that we add to the top and bottom cartridges (environmentally safe, plus a range of other uses should you want to use it). We add 100ml to the bottom tank and 100ml to the top. This is more than is required, but hastens the breakdown of solids and better to use too much than too little (especially if the toilet has heavy use or in warmer weather). We purchased the toilet and BioMagic and purchased Thetford Toilet Paper . This is toilet paper that breaks down faster, and is quite expensive, so next time we might just look at recycled toilet paper instead. Others have said this works just as well, and is a cheaper alternative.

Our toilet has proven to be a godsend - if we are going somewhere where water is scarce, we fill the top tank with water before we leave, as the top and bottom section can be separated. Plus it is easily cleaned, with parts that can be removed.

I must admit that the thought of emptying it for the very first time, had me gagging, but I was pleasantly surprised. There was minimal odour and whilst not attractive to look at, wasn't as nauseating as I anticipated.

As it is environmentally safe, when we have been out camping where there is no sullage or toilet to empty it, we have dug a deep hole, well away, from campsites and water sources, and emptied it there and covered up again.

Used in conjunction with a pop up tent for privacy, going to the toilet in the bush is a lot better experience for the females (and I must say, the males have been impressed too).

[DiscoMick]

Yep, disgusting.
The Navigator has decreed that we will be taking our small porta potty on our Simpson trip later this month, as she was not impressed by the proposal to bring a spade and a roll of toilet paper.

[PAT303]

Last time we did the far north coast of WA we came across grey nomads emptying their caravan loo tanks on the side of the road,twice. Pat

[wardy1]

This has been a beef of mine for years.
Went up along Howqua track several years ago about a week after the Easter break. You couldn't walk anywhere without brushing against used toilet paper and those other delightful 'feminine hygiene' products. That was all made worse when needing to watch where one placed ones feet. There was **** literally everywhere, sometimes right on the river bank! All this is made worse by the fact that every single campsite had a fire..... Is it too embarrassing to bring back that little pile of tissue and dispose of it there? We all pee, and we all ****. And as far as I know, pretty much every female from 14-50 has a period.

I used to enjoy fishing the Howqua, haven't been back there since that trip:mad:

In Europe and I think many parts of the USA, it is illegal to take a dump anywhere except in a portable chemical toilet. I'm starting to think that a similar law mightn't be a bad idea here. Mind you a law not policed, is not much of a law.

[gusthedog]

In Europe and I think many parts of the USA, it is illegal to take a dump anywhere except in a portable chemical toilet. I'm starting to think that a similar law mightn't be a bad idea here. Mind you a law not policed, is not much of a law.

Maybe we could create a new arm of Victoria Police. They have Protective Service Officers (PSOs for short) at train stations. Why not Critical Response Anti Pollution Officers (or CRAP for short). These CRAP officers could wear distinctive brown uniforms with CRAP logos on them so they are easily identifiable. They could be placed strategically at known poo pollution sites on long weekends and school holidays, wait until people start and then BAM, you've been busted crapping by CRAP!

Too far? :D

[Bytemrk]

Too far? :D

Just as long as they don't jump out of the bush to check compliance when I'm on the job :coplight::eek::eek::eek:

I think I'd crap myself :p :whistling:

[Bushie]

Even in the most remote spots like this one between the Colson Track and Geosurveys Hill with no vegetation cover, our resident Wombat would dig a hole approx 1 metre deep for the group and this would be filled in prior to leaving the next morning.

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It is not that hard and leaves the place clean and tidy. Even on a morning tea or lunch stop both the guys and the girls would grab a shovel and do the right thing.

Whilst I can't speak for the others in the group, our 'toilet' bag comes complete with matches to burn said flags.
As for animals digging up sites, I can't say I have any evidence to support that, other than 'here say', in places I used to frequent a lot, I never saw evidence of any of our pits being dug up, and there has always been plenty of other 'proper' animal crap sitting on rocks etc if they wanted a snack.

Not sure I would want to carry a porta potti cross country in the Simpson for 10 days or so, rocking side to side over spinifex mounds, but there really is no excuse for this anywhere,

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Plenty of other instances as well, even right at Poeppel corner, within 10m of the post.

Martyn

[Ferret]

Advice produced by KuJu Wangka (www.anfwdc.asn.au/get_doc.php?id=63) (the coalition of traditional owners) for Canning Stock Route crossings asks for toilet paper to be buried only, not burnt - page 41.