any news on a 2005 Defender??

[Outlaw]

just wondering if anyone has any info on a 2005 Defender? Is there one? any great improvements? TD6? etc...

[PeteH]

Hi,no news on this side of the world(UK)ill have a nose about here and if i find out anything ill post,tho i belive that the td5 is staying put for now.

By the way,im lead to belive that SA are re releasing the 3ootdi in to civillian defenders,due to sheer demand :?

[hiline]

g'day Outlaw

i think its coming out in 2007 here in oz
td6 defender style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[LRHybrid100]

Isn't it Jan 2006 that they have to find a replacement for the TD5? Something to do with Euro polution levels?

I think a D110 with the new TDV6 motor would be the best.

Even a detuned version - so the Disco 3 drivers still think they are superior style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

LRH

[rmp]

Originally posted by LRHybrid100
Isn't it Jan 2006 that they have to find a replacement for the TD5? Something to do with Euro polution levels?

I think a D110 with the new TDV6 motor would be the best.

Even a detuned version - so the Disco 3 drivers still think they are superior :D

LRH

Even detuned it would still outperform the D3, as the next Defender just has to be lighter than the D3, which is apparently sufficiently heavy to create its own gravity.

[PeteH]

ok, if they add the td6 motor ,well ok it more electrics 'n' stuff,what the hell will Ford do to the bodywork?
Look at the the new Disco...... 8O

[PeteH]

I carnt help thinking .....the landrover will lose its unqiue look,held up for so many years by the defender and the series vehicles style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif

[Ace]

Originally posted by rmp+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rmp)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-LRHybrid100
Isn't it Jan 2006 that they have to find a replacement for the TD5? Something to do with Euro polution levels?

I think a D110 with the new TDV6 motor would be the best.

Even a detuned version - so the Disco 3 drivers still think they are superior :D

LRH

Even detuned it would still outperform the D3, as the next Defender just has to be lighter than the D3, which is apparently sufficiently heavy to create its own gravity.[/b][/quote]

I think that 2007 sounds right, i think that is when pollution regs are set to be tightened here in oz. Matt

[LRHybrid100]

Originally posted by PeteH
ok, if they add the td6 motor ,well ok it more electrics 'n' stuff,what the hell will Ford do to the bodywork?
Look at the the new Disco...... 8O

TD6 or TDV6?

The TD6 will also be dumped in the near future - ending the BMW connection.

Come on, we cannot have the flagship vehicle with less power, in both V8 Petrol and Diesel motors, than the current Disco 3???

Watch the LR space for more powerful line up of motors in the RR - I'm hoping V8 Supercharged Petrol and V10 TDI Diesels style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

LRH

[disco95]

HMMMM V10tdi diesel........don't let rosemary hear that, she'll want one. 8)

[noddy]

I really think the new Defender will be as important, if not moreso, than the Disco3 to LR's survival, especially in Australia.

If they get the Defender right, they will really be able to take the Toyos and Nissans on in the farming/fleet market. The only thing I cannot understand is how rationalising your dealer network in regional areas fits into this strategy??? :?

I reckon they need a bigger capacity diesel (at least 3.5ltr). Now a TD3.5 V6 would be a nice sweet motor! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[hiline]

with a upgraded ECU style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif
catch me if you can jap boys

[LRHybrid100]

Originally posted by Noddy

I reckon they need a bigger capacity diesel (at least 3.5ltr). Now a TD3.5 V6 would be a nice sweet motor! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

Well, if we look at this way:

2700cc in a V6 - thats 450cc per cylinder

therefore 3600cc in a V8 and 4500cc in a V10!!!

I know its not that simple, but just an idea style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

LRH

[VladTepes]

Originally posted by PeteH
what the hell will Ford do to the bodywork?
Look at the the new Disco...... 8O

Yeah, the Defender might end up looking all slab-sided.... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif



Originally posted by LRhybrid100+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(LRhybrid100)</div><div class='quotemain'>TD6 or TDV6? [/b]

TDV6 is what I've heard on the grapevine. Or maybe it was on the sauce.
Anyway I heard it somewhere,


<!--QuoteBegin-Noddy
I really think the new Defender will be as important, if not moreso, than the Disco3 to LR's survival, especially in Australia.

If they get the Defender right, they will really be able to take the Toyos and Nissans on in the farming/fleet market. The only thing I cannot understand is how rationalising your dealer network in regional areas fits into this strategy???

I reckon they need a bigger capacity diesel (at least 3.5ltr). Now a TD3.5 V6 would be a nice sweet motor! [/quote]

1. I agree.
2. I agree. Also I think you'll find that regional Ford dealerships will become Ford and LR dealer 'centres'. For better or worse.
3. Mmmm, sweet motor. Mmmmm.


The only problem of course is price.
Mainly, the fact that I won't be able to afford one. :cry:

[DiscoTDI]

Originally posted by hiline
with a upgraded ECU :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
catch me if you can jap boys


and maybe put it up higher :wink:

[Ace]

I agree with Noddy, given the nature of our wide brown land, 4wd's are a way of life. Land Rover needs to be increasing dealership presence in country areas not taking them away. Matt

[Outlaw]

funny what you find when you're not looking for it... found this little tidbit of info on an auto site about future Land Rover models...

October 2008
Land Rover Defender - Approximate release date only
Land Rover will produce an all-new Defender by 2008 (codenamed L317), built on the steel ladder chassis that's dubbed T5 and shared with the 2004 Discovery. Comprising short and long-wheelbase wagons, the next Defender will get a 3.0-litre Volvo inline petrol six and a 2.7-litre Ford V6 turbo-diesel.

[VladTepes]

Volvo :?: Volvo :?: 8O


Nnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooo :!: :!: :!:

[LRHybrid100]

Hey Vlad, the Volvo are good motors.

LRH

[Outlaw]

wonder if they'll do an option of the 7.3L Ford engine from an F350... one of those in a D90 and i would be a very happy man 8O

[VladTepes]

Yeah Outlaw - the bloody thing would tip over onto its nose....

[Outlaw]

hmmmm, didn't think about that... maybe make it a 110 and put a second 7.3 in the back... to compensate and all 8) 8) 8O 8)

[LRHybrid100]

Hey Outlaw,

Why the fascination with big block diesels? - these are as heavy as ****.

The Euro diesels are far superior to the Japanese and American diesels - this is why they are such big motors to compensate for the lack of technology.

The best and most refined diesels - as in best power / torque to weight ratios, smoothness of driving, robustness are ALL European. Merc / BMW / Peugeot / Audi are all class leaders in this field - hence why Ford have an association with Peugeot for diesel motors for 20+ years now.

As most Euro motors are relatively small capacity they have to be more technologically advance - the acceptance of diesel in Europe is huge.

My mate in the UK has just purchased a BMW 3 Series Convertible with their latest 2 litre 4 cylinder TDI motor - goes like stink and doesn't cost a fortune to run (less pollution tax, car tax, insurance, fuel etc)

When Australia finally catch up with the burning of fossil fuels and altering the taxation of vehicle in such a way, then people may realise what they are purchasing.

But just my 10c worth.

LRH

[LRHybrid100]

sorry - previous post sounded as a rant.

was not ment to be :oops:

But to add to the above, Why did International buy the rights to the old 300 TDI (powering Ford trucks & utes in America)?

Superior technology to theirs, but not good enough for the European market.

LRH

[VladTepes]

Originally posted by LRHybrid100
Why did International buy the rights to the old 300 TDI (powering Ford trucks & utes in America)?


Did they :?: :idea: Could this be a source of cheaper parts :?:

[Maggot4x4]

Originally posted by LRHybrid100
Hey Outlaw,

Why the fascination with big block diesels? - these are as heavy as sh*t.

The Euro diesels are far superior to the Japanese and American diesels - this is why they are such big motors to compensate for the lack of technology.

The best and most refined diesels - as in best power / torque to weight ratios, smoothness of driving, robustness are ALL European. Merc / BMW / Peugeot / Audi are all class leaders in this field - hence why Ford have an association with Peugeot for diesel motors for 20+ years now.

As most Euro motors are relatively small capacity they have to be more technologically advance - the acceptance of diesel in Europe is huge.

My mate in the UK has just purchased a BMW 3 Series Convertible with their latest 2 litre 4 cylinder TDI motor - goes like stink and doesn't cost a fortune to run (less pollution tax, car tax, insurance, fuel etc)

When Australia finally catch up with the burning of fossil fuels and altering the taxation of vehicle in such a way, then people may realise what they are purchasing.

But just my 10c worth.

LRH

You forgot the VW V10 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMM V10 :roll: :roll: :roll:

[LRHybrid100]

Originally posted by VladTepes+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(VladTepes)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-LRHybrid100
Why did International buy the rights to the old 300 TDI (powering Ford trucks & utes in America)?


Did they :?: :idea: Could this be a source of cheaper parts :?:[/b][/quote]

They do a nice 2.8 litre now - but still AUD10,000

LRH

[Outlaw]

my old man has an X5 with the 3L Diesel and she does go style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

but as for my fascination, pure and very simple really... I love the F series trucks and 7.3L sounds better than 3L... ha, bet you weren't expecting that reasoning :oops: i am blessed with the pure ignorance of not knowing what makes things tick or work at it's best :twisted:

[LRHybrid100]

new TDV6 is FAR greater motor than even the TD6 - on paper.....

we will see how she goes in AU soon.

LRH

[noddy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>new TDV6 is FAR greater motor than even the TD6 - on paper..... [/b][/quote]

You can one better....the twin turbo TDV6 which Jag are playing with. Cannot wait till they manage to squeeze one into a Fender!!!








Just going to need a new gearbox :cry:

Does anyone know the specs of the new manual box for the D3? I hear it is a 6 speed?

[Ace]

You heard right noddy, you have two choices of gear box in the new disco range, a six speed auto, or as you thought a 6 speed manual. Matt

[noddy]

Originally posted by Ace
You heard right noddy, you have two choices of gear box in the new disco range, a six speed auto, or as you thought a 6 speed manual. Matt

Who is making the six speed manual? Is it a Landy box or are they sourcing it from a specialist maker or the broader Ford family.

[noddy]

HMmmm....will it fit into the current Defender???? It is very compact style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

http://www.testdriven.co.uk/photos/LBR4O0IY.jpg

[Ace]

Originally posted by Noddy
HMmmm....will it fit into the current Defender???? It is very compact style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

http://www.testdriven.co.uk/photos/LBR4O0IY.jpg

If we buy two we might get them a bit cheaper, i wouldnt mind one in the disco. Matt

[LRHybrid100]

that behind a ZF 6 speed auto and a soft top Defender ....... dribbling again.

LRH

[Ace]

Stop it LRH, you are depressing me. Matt

[noddy]

LRHyrbid -- I would be looking to put one of these babies into the 100inch style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

Forget the V8.

[Ace]

Originally posted by Noddy
LRHyrbid -- I would be looking to put one of these babies into the 100inch style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

Forget the V8.


You need economy these days, i have gone off V8's, as much as i like them. Matt

[LRHybrid100]

mate - the motor would cost more that the whole D100 project!!!

LRH

[noddy]

Just wait until some of these new D3s start travelling too quickly on our gravel roads....I am sure LVS will be able to help acquire one style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Ace]

Originally posted by Noddy
Just wait until some of these new D3s start travelling too quickly on our gravel roads....I am sure LVS will be able to help acquire one style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

Give it time, i would think that second hand bits and peices will cost a bit to begin with, give it a couple of years and second hand parts for them should pop up. Matt

[VladTepes]

Mmmm TDV6


Mmmm 6 speed gearbox.

The only difficult choice - auto or manual....

[DiscoTDI]

Originally posted by VladTepes
Mmmm TDV6


Mmmm 6 speed gearbox.

The only difficult choice - auto or manual....


just another gear to change :wink:

[Ace]

Originally posted by DiscoTDI+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DiscoTDI)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-VladTepes
Mmmm TDV6


Mmmm 6 speed gearbox.

The only difficult choice - auto or manual....


just another gear to change :wink:[/b][/quote]

I am a manual man myself, but from what the mags have written the auto is a pretty smooth unit. Matt

[medic455]

I have said it before, but I will say it again. Unless the final design for the "New Defender" shows strong links to it's series/defender heritage.....IT WONT BE A DEFENDER......... :evil: :evil: :roll: :wink:

[Redbak]

Originally posted by medic455
I have said it before, but I will say it again. Unless the final design for the "New Defender" shows strong links to it's series/defender heritage.....IT WONT BE A DEFENDER......... :evil: :evil: :roll: :wink:

Yep !

Carve that one in stone ..... 8)

"It wont be a DEFENDER of the LEGEND ! "

Davo

[Ace]

Originally posted by Redbak+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Redbak)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-medic455
I have said it before, but I will say it again. Unless the final design for the "New Defender" shows strong links to it's series/defender heritage.....IT WONT BE A DEFENDER......... :evil: :evil: :roll: :wink:

Yep !

Carve that one in stone ..... 8)

"It wont be a DEFENDER of the LEGEND ! "

Davo[/b][/quote]

Yep will agree on that, but from what Mathew Taylor has said in response to questions on this very matter, it will keep its heritage, with that more modern flare. Matt

[p38arover]

Originally posted by Ace+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ace)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by Redbak@
<!--QuoteBegin-medic455
I have said it before, but I will say it again. Unless the final design for the "New Defender" shows strong links to it's series/defender heritage.....IT WONT BE A DEFENDER......... :evil: :evil: :roll: :wink:

Yep !

Carve that one in stone ..... 8)

"It wont be a DEFENDER of the LEGEND ! "

Davo

Yep will agree on that, but from what Mathew Taylor has said in response to questions on this very matter, it will keep its heritage, with that more modern flare. Matt[/b][/quote]

I don't think the flares need modernising. However, a little additional flair may help sell them. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Ron (I'm back)

[Ace]

Originally posted by p38arover+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(p38arover)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by Ace+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ace)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Redbak@
<!--QuoteBegin-medic455
I have said it before, but I will say it again. Unless the final design for the "New Defender" shows strong links to it's series/defender heritage.....IT WONT BE A DEFENDER......... :evil: :evil: :roll: :wink:

Yep !

Carve that one in stone ..... 8)

"It wont be a DEFENDER of the LEGEND ! "

Davo

Yep will agree on that, but from what Mathew Taylor has said in response to questions on this very matter, it will keep its heritage, with that more modern flare. Matt[/b][/quote]

I don't think the flares need modernising. However, a little additional flair may help sell them. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Ron (I'm back)[/b][/quote]

Glad to see you are back Ron. I hope youre sons second opp went well.

Yeah a little more flair wouldnt go astray. However it would be easy to give it a face lift without ruining the whole Series/County/110/Defender look. Matt

[rmp]

The Defender doesn't need a face lift. It needs a more powerful engine, an auto option, improved interior, safety. I see no need to "modernise" the look. If they did that they would improve sales no end.

There's not much wrong with it.

Had a Jeeper looking at the Defender today, wants more space!

[Ace]

Originally posted by rmp
The Defender doesn't need a face lift. It needs a more powerful engine, an auto option, improved interior, safety. I see no need to "modernise" the look. If they did that they would improve sales no end.

There's not much wrong with it.

Had a Jeeper looking at the Defender today, wants more space!

You are right RPM, to a certain extent. Whilst we love the look of the defender because we can appreciate the heritage behind it, there are many possible buyers who may respond to a more modern look. Now dont get me wrong, i dont want the defender to change to much, but a few modern styling cues and as you said a better thought out and more comfortable interior may increase sales immensely, oh and increase the range aswell. There will always be room in the ozzie 4wd market for a no frils 4wd because whilst vehicles are changing the country we are driving on still remains harse and demanding on equipment. I simply feel that a slight change in shape may draw the attention such a great vehicle needs, we need a vehicle which give people like 4wd monthly, ovelander and 4x4 Australia, nothing to gripe about. Matt

[rmp]

Yes, an updated exterior would be good for the reasons you say. But it should be the practical square shape.

Overlander isn't biased against Landrovers or even the Defender.

[Ace]

Originally posted by rmp
Yes, an updated exterior would be good for the reasons you say. But it should be the practical square shape.

Overlander isn't biased against Landrovers or even the Defender.

True, they are far better than the other two.

I am not saying change the square shape, as you say it is practical, and whilst some people might compare it to a house brick it does serve a purpose, for example interior mods are easier because things stack in easier. But a new slant on the square shape might attract some wanted attention. As they say a change is as good as a holiday. It cant stay idenical for ever. Matt

[rmp]

Yes, an updated exterior would be good for the reasons you say. But it should be the practical square shape.

Overlander isn't biased against Landrovers or even the Defender.

[Ace]

Originally posted by rmp
Yes, an updated exterior would be good for the reasons you say. But it should be the practical square shape.

Overlander isn't biased against Landrovers or even the Defender.

Have you got a stutter RMP, i recall you writing something similar up the page. But yes i agree with you. Matt

[rmp]

Yes, an updated exterior would be good for the reasons you say. But it should be the practical square shape.

Overlander isn't biased against Landrovers or even the Defender.

[rmp]

Yes, an updated exterior would be good for the reasons you say. But it should be the practical square shape.

Overlander isn't biased against Landrovers or even the Defender.

[Ace]

Ok, you are scaring me now RPM, stop it. I think you need to whack yourself, you seem to be skipping. 8O Matt

[rmp]

Originally posted by Ace
Ok, you are scaring me now RPM, stop it. I think you need to whack yourself, you seem to be skipping. 8O Matt

The problem was with my PocketPC, which I'd not used to post on AULRO before. I posted one reply, and then every time I went back to the page another reply appeared! So I'm back to the laptop now instead.

[DiscoTDI]

Originally posted by Ace
Ok, you are scaring me now RPM, stop it. I think you need to whack yourself, you seem to be skipping. 8O Matt


here we go, pots and kettles again style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Ace]

Originally posted by DiscoTDI+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DiscoTDI)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Ace
Ok, you are scaring me now RPM, stop it. I think you need to whack yourself, you seem to be skipping. 8O Matt


here we go, pots and kettles again style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/b][/quote]

Yeah, but i do it one after the other, and accidentally. RPM kept replying with the same post after i replied?

Rack of disco you pot. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif Matt

[p38arover]

Originally posted by Ace+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ace)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by DiscoTDI@
<!--QuoteBegin-Ace
Ok, you are scaring me now RPM, stop it. I think you need to whack yourself, you seem to be skipping. 8O Matt


here we go, pots and kettles again style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

Yeah, but i do it one after the other, and accidentally. RPM kept replying with the same post after i replied?

Rack of disco you pot. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif Matt[/b][/quote]

"rack of disco"? Anything like a rack of lamb?

And who is RPM? Is he RMP's brother?

Ron

[medic455]

Originally posted by Ace+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ace)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-rmp
The Defender doesn't need a face lift. It needs a more powerful engine, an auto option, improved interior, safety. I see no need to "modernise" the look. If they did that they would improve sales no end.

There's not much wrong with it.

Had a Jeeper looking at the Defender today, wants more space!

You are right RPM, to a certain extent. Whilst we love the look of the defender because we can appreciate the heritage behind it, there are many possible buyers who may respond to a more modern look. Now dont get me wrong, i dont want the defender to change to much, but a few modern styling cues and as you said a better thought out and more comfortable interior may increase sales immensely, oh and increase the range aswell. There will always be room in the ozzie 4wd market for a no frils 4wd because whilst vehicles are changing the country we are driving on still remains harse and demanding on equipment. I simply feel that a slight change in shape may draw the attention such a great vehicle needs, we need a vehicle which give people like 4wd monthly, ovelander and 4x4 Australia, nothing to gripe about. Matt[/b][/quote]

All good points, better seats, bigger power plant, less computer doing the thinking and more driver doing the thinking (ie no ex freeloader traction control, no gas bag suspension,) are all needed on the next Defender, a bit of a face lift could be a good idea also. The thing is that if what ever they come up with is not instantly recognisable at 100m as a Defender then it's not going to be a Defender.... :wink:

[rmp]

Originally posted by p38arover+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(p38arover)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by Ace+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ace)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-DiscoTDI@
<!--QuoteBegin-Ace
Ok, you are scaring me now RPM, stop it. I think you need to whack yourself, you seem to be skipping. 8O Matt


here we go, pots and kettles again style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

Yeah, but i do it one after the other, and accidentally. RPM kept replying with the same post after i replied?

Rack of disco you pot. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif Matt[/b][/quote]

"rack of disco"? Anything like a rack of lamb?

And who is RPM? Is he RMP's brother?

Ron[/b][/quote]

RPM is related to Aec.

[Ace]

Originally posted by medic455+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(medic455)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by Ace@
<!--QuoteBegin-rmp
The Defender doesn't need a face lift. It needs a more powerful engine, an auto option, improved interior, safety. I see no need to "modernise" the look. If they did that they would improve sales no end.

There's not much wrong with it.

Had a Jeeper looking at the Defender today, wants more space!

You are right RPM, to a certain extent. Whilst we love the look of the defender because we can appreciate the heritage behind it, there are many possible buyers who may respond to a more modern look. Now dont get me wrong, i dont want the defender to change to much, but a few modern styling cues and as you said a better thought out and more comfortable interior may increase sales immensely, oh and increase the range aswell. There will always be room in the ozzie 4wd market for a no frils 4wd because whilst vehicles are changing the country we are driving on still remains harse and demanding on equipment. I simply feel that a slight change in shape may draw the attention such a great vehicle needs, we need a vehicle which give people like 4wd monthly, ovelander and 4x4 Australia, nothing to gripe about. Matt

All good points, better seats, bigger power plant, less computer doing the thinking and more driver doing the thinking (ie no ex freeloader traction control, no gas bag suspension,) are all needed on the next Defender, a bit of a face lift could be a good idea also. The thing is that if what ever they come up with is not instantly recognisable at 100m as a Defender then it's not going to be a Defender.... :wink:[/b][/quote]

Spot on medic- Stick with the KISS principle- Keep It Simple Stupid.

Sorry RMP, dislexeea is giving me greef. Trust ron to be the one to point it out. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif matt

[VladTepes]

Originally posted by medic455
I have said it before, but I will say it again. Unless the final design for the "New Defender" shows strong links to it's series/defender heritage.....IT WONT BE A DEFENDER......... :evil: :evil: :roll: :wink:

You've said it again, and you'll say it before.

[Ace]

Originally posted by VladTepes+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(VladTepes)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-medic455
I have said it before, but I will say it again. Unless the final design for the "New Defender" shows strong links to it's series/defender heritage.....IT WONT BE A DEFENDER......... :evil: :evil: :roll: :wink:

You've said it again, and you'll say it before.[/b][/quote]

And he'll say it once more.


Hey that rhymes. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif Matt

[DiscoTDI]

Originally posted by p38arover+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(p38arover)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by Ace+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ace)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-DiscoTDI@
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Ok, you are scaring me now RPM, stop it. I think you need to whack yourself, you seem to be skipping. 8O Matt


here we go, pots and kettles again style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

Yeah, but i do it one after the other, and accidentally. RPM kept replying with the same post after i replied?

Rack of disco you pot. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif Matt[/b][/quote]

"rack of disco"? Anything like a rack of lamb?

And who is RPM? Is he RMP's brother?

Ron[/b][/quote]

Its a lost cause Ron :wink:

[Ace]

Originally posted by DiscoTDI+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DiscoTDI)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by p38arover+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(p38arover)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by Ace
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Ok, you are scaring me now RPM, stop it. I think you need to whack yourself, you seem to be skipping. 8O Matt


here we go, pots and kettles again style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

Yeah, but i do it one after the other, and accidentally. RPM kept replying with the same post after i replied?

Rack of disco you pot. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif Matt

"rack of disco"? Anything like a rack of lamb?

And who is RPM? Is he RMP's brother?

Ron[/b][/quote]

Its a lost cause Ron :wink:[/b][/quote]

Yeah give up Ron. I insist. Matt