Synthetic winch rope through tight angle

[philandmickey]

Hi

I am just about to install a Runva 12000lbs winch to my 1996 130 but have come up against an interesting problem.

The slot for the cable is inline with the top mounting bolts but with the cable coming off the bottom of the drum it has to turn through approximately 90 degrees to go out through the fairlead.

I can't turn the winch upside down as the mounting holes and slot are off centre and so the winch will only fit one way.

And Runva say I can not wind the rope on the other way round.

As the front part of the Bullbar is approximately 10mm plate and rock hard, I don't fancy trying to cut another slot.

So what are peoples thoughts on the rope traveling up from the bottom of the drum to the top and then turning through 90 degrees out through the fairlead? It will not foul anything on its way.

Cheers
Phil

[BadCo.]

Why can't you run it on backwards like you said then rewire forward and reverse? What did runva say?

[FeatherWeightDriver]

Ideally the winch line should run a straight line off the top (or bottom) of the drum and out the fairlead.

Any angles created there will wear the line and decrease it's strength.

[philandmickey]

Hi
Runva's reply was "Yeah don’t run the brake backwards, won’t last very long"!

Cheers

Phil

[BadCo.]

Can you detach the drum and flip it or is this the same as running the rope on backwards with the brake?

[snafubar]

So the brake only works in one direction? Not good if winching down off something..... Ask for money back and get another winch. Always use winch with brake that works on both directions. Circumstances can change mid-winch!

[BadCo.]

On that note, which model runva did you get?

I was planning on getting the EWX12000...

[philandmickey]

Hi
The winch is the EWX12000.

I think a lot of winches are the same - not designed to winch out as much as in.

Cheers

[clubagreenie]

They're designed to run with the brake, it disengages with rotation and when powered off it holds. In reverse, some like the runva run against the brake, which is why free spools were developed. "Back in my day" when a 8274 didn't have a freespool we used to have to power out the entire length of wire. Believe me 60m of 3/8 wire is heavy at the end dragging uphill.

[chopper]

get someone with a plasma cutter to cut the slot in the right spot for you.

[philandmickey]

Yes, recon cutting a new slot seems like the go.

I'll see if I can find someone with a plasma cutter.

Phil

[robertroach64]

Phil


How did you end up with your slot issue? I have an ARB bulbar on my 1995 Defender 130 and am also interested in fitting a Runva EWX12000.


Rob

[Blknight.aus]

So the brake only works in one direction? Not good if winching down off something..... Ask for money back and get another winch. Always use winch with brake that works on both directions. Circumstances can change mid-winch!

the brake only needs to work against winch out..

needing the brake during a winch in operation is about as effective as pushing a load with a rope.

all that fun delt with.

strip the winch, reverse the main drive shaft and brake mech orintation, then reverse the solenoid wiring. you've now converted an over wind winch to underwind.

Bare in mind that some winches will allow you to reverse the shaft but not the mechanism, this will either lock up your winch or leave you wihtout a brae

[simmo]

Guys, every winch I've seen the cable comes off the bottom of the drum, winches 250 kgs up 220 tons. If you run the cable off the top of the drum , the moment on the mounting feet is changed, since the pulling force is exerted at greater distance from the feet. We don't know enough about the winch/ brake to reverse it's direction. Best not to go there.

You don't need to worry about the first few meters since you rarely winch with the last few meters of cable, ( near the hook), but all the remainder should run off the drum "clean" with little or no contact with the bottom of the lead.

You could try some machined spacers or fabricated from flat bar and lift the winch a bit in combination with lowering the slot in the bar. I'm getting rid of my roller fairlead, and changing to an alloy one with the new synthetic cable. Hopefully the allot lead will line up with the roller bolt pattern. cheers simmo

[clubagreenie]

If you run the cable off the top of the drum , the moment on the mounting feet is changed, since the pulling force is exerted at greater distance from the feet.

What about winches mounted feet forward like most bars?

[Grappler]

Is your winch bar standard?

I have a Runva XP11 mounted on Def ARB deluxe winch bar and it fits perfectly with proper fleet angle
Just needed to rotate gearbox 90 deg CCW to locate the selector lever to the top, with the mounting feet forwwad

The mounts are the std 254 by 114.3 (same as EWX 12000)

[philandmickey]

Hi
I bit the Bullet and drilled, ground and filed a new slot.
Took a very long time as the 12mm plate was rock hard but we'll worth it in the end.
Winch got a good work out a few weeks ago and performed faultlessly
I'm well chuffed with it.
Cheers

[Tombie]

What bar were you fitting this into may I ask?

[Tombie]

If this is yours...
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

The winch should be with the release on the P/S, Motor on D/S...

Then it should all line up nicely for you.

[philandmickey]

If this is yours...
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/90-110-130-defender-county/91817d1426633494-bit-bling-land-rov.jpg

The winch should be with the release on the P/S, Motor on D/S...

Then it should all line up nicely for you.

Yes that's my baby.
The winch is as you say release p/s motor d/s but my slot was in line with the top bolts and the Winch cable comes off the bottom hence I had to cut another slot in line with the bottom bolts.

Not sure what brand the bar is?

Cheers
Phil