Your most memorable Landy moment?

[Ace]

LandyAndy's thread on electrics just inspired this idea. What is you most memorable land rover moment.

Mine would have to be being woken up at 3 in the morning when i was a wee nipper to run out side with dad and see the Series III troopy we owned on fire. Dad got the fire out and a new dash board from the wrecker in coff harbour the next day. Tidied up the wiring (the cause of the blaze) and it was as good as new. Matt

[Redbak]

Easy Peazy .. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

"The day I picked up, and drove the Defender Home" ..... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

Davo

[LandyAndy]

Inflicting revenge on a mate(hilux owner)
Once went offroading in a mates hilux.He was being quite a hero trying to scare me and was doing a good job.I was seriously scared as I thought sooner or later he would tip it.Luckilly he didnt.
A few weeks later I was taking him for a run along the beach at Moore riverin my 88" softop(with a 186 motor).We saw a track up this sandhill where motorbikes had been playing.I told him the old girl would do that easy,no way he says you would be lucky to get up there on a bike.
There was no room on the beach for much of run up,so I gave it to her and we flew up this track all the way to the top.I stoped at the top,just as well as there was a nasty drop the other side.
It blew my mate away,he just couldnt belive it and was telling everyone about my Landy for weeks.
He tried the same track in his hilux the next day,the best he could do was 1/2 way
Andrew

[Ace]

Originally posted by Redbak
Easy Peazy .. :D

"The day I picked up, and drove the Defender Home" ..... :D :D :D

Davo

Yeah but after that. A moment during use. Matt

[adm333]

I found my Rangie on Carsales.com.au in Victoria and bought it sight unseen. My Dad who has a P38 Rangie, drove it up to Brisbane for me (like I had to twist his arm) without a hitch.

The very first time I drove it we only went out for about half an hour.

When we got home it was parked in the drive way and we were standing there admiring it (as you do ) and coolant started pi$$ing out from underneath.

I thought FANTASTIC, what sort of lemon have I bought here ??? 8O

Dave

[hiline]

everytime i go out 4wd
and dont break anything style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Ace]

My most memorable moment with the disco, was when i first had it out with my local club. We were attacking this rather steep slippery climb, after two attempts we could only get half way up. Before the 3rd attempt we checked the tyres, by this stage Stacey is as white as a ghost. After deciding 45psi wasnt conducive to getting up the hill we let them down to 25psi and we went straight up. Before we went up the hill one of the other members informed me quitely, as to not alarm Stacey, that there was diesel ****ing all over the ground underneath. Once we were at the top, it was found that there was diesel leaking from around the top of the lift pump. Some steel putty later we were good to go. Even with the fuel leak i still had the best fuel consumption there. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif Matt

[Redbak]

Originally posted by Ace+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ace)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Redbak
Easy Peazy .. :D

"The day I picked up, and drove the Defender Home" ..... :D :D :D

Davo

Yeah but after that. A moment during use. Matt[/b][/quote]

Huh !, to many "moments" to list ... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

Davo

[VladTepes]

You can't remember any, can you :?: style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Redbak]

Originally posted by VladTepes
You can't remember any, can you :?: :P

Ok, Vlad ? Here's just one of the many .... :twisted: :twisted:

http://www.aulro.com/albums/album120/boghole.sized.jpg

[VladTepes]

Mmmm, muddy.

[hiline]

is that mud hole at toolangi ??

if so we've been through that when it was full 8O 8O
boy is it deep

[Redback]

Mine is about to be realised end of the week hopefully style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[Ace]

Keep us posted Redback. Matt

[Redbak]

Originally posted by hiline
is that mud hole at toolangi ??

if so we've been through that when it was full 8O 8O
boy is it deep

Yep, thats Toolangi .

My first "puddle crossing" in the Defender ... :wink: :wink:

Davo

[Ace]

Originally posted by Redbak+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Redbak)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-hiline
is that mud hole at toolangi ??

if so we've been through that when it was full 8O 8O
boy is it deep

Yep, thats Toolangi .

My first "puddle crossing" in the Defender ... :wink: :wink:

Davo[/b][/quote]

You wouldnt want to go through it when it was full, it would be one helluva 4wd swallowing pit. Matt 8O

[hiline]

we went through no probs style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

but i forgot to tape up the air intake for the heater :oops: :oops:
so when i turned on the heater all the water came flying in all over our feet 8O 8O

and to make matters worse trying to get the heater box out to clean :evil: :evil: :evil:

[PeteH]

Heres our first ....from memory ..Scotland 2004 ...twas fun too :wink:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/Peteholme/Carwash.jpg

[Ace]

Originally posted by hiline
we went through no probs :lol: :lol:

but i forgot to tape up the air intake for the heater :oops: :oops:
so when i turned on the heater all the water came flying in all over our feet 8O 8O

and to make matters worse trying to get the heater box out to clean :evil: :evil: :evil:

Good thing you werent driving an exploder. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif Matt

[noddy]

Originally posted by PeteH
Heres our first ....from memory ..Scotland 2004 ...twas fun too :wink:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/Peteholme/Carwash.jpg

Hmmmm....nice pic! The sun is even out in Scotland :wink:

Since when have the Royal Navy started painting their Defenders red???

[Maggot4x4]

Driving this hill

http://www.aulro.com/albums/Maggot-s-Rangies/Coolpix_to_be_sorted_079.sized.jpg

[hiline]

long way up from the main road in the background style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

looks like alot of fun style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[disco95]

That looks like a pretty good hillclimb maggot.

I would have to say my most memorable was the trip to the watagans, that day I found out just how capable the disco actually is.

[Maggot4x4]

The hill is well over 40deg for most of the way and very loose. Glad for the 350chev and 35's that day.

[Ace]

Theres nothing quite like a V8. Matt

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Originally posted by Ace
Theres nothing quite like a V8. Matt

are you listening Vlad???

:wink:

one of my better ones,, ( Landy moments that is)

after coming down the hill FROM Rainbow to Freshwater and turning (blind) left there is a straight run to the Freshwater car parks of about 500 metres. it had been raining heaps ( must have been '03 ?) and the track was two very deep grey slush wheel ruts, a very quick downchange to 3rd then full noise along the straight, leaving diff marks ( and in lots of places, not necessarily tyre marks ) nearly all the way.
At the end there were half a dozen guys standing around their cruisers that applauded :!:

must've heard me coming 8O

8) style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Ace]

Originally posted by Pedro_The_Swift+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pedro_The_Swift)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Ace
Theres nothing quite like a V8. Matt

are you listening Vlad???

:wink:

one of my better ones,, ( Landy moments that is)

after coming down the hill FROM Rainbow to Freshwater and turning (blind) left there is a straight run to the Freshwater car parks of about 500 metres. it had been raining heaps ( must have been '03 ?) and the track was two very deep grey slush wheel ruts, a very quick downchange to 3rd then full noise along the straight, leaving diff marks ( and in lots of places, not necessarily tyre marks ) nearly all the way.
At the end there were half a dozen guys standing around their cruisers that applauded :!:

must've heard me coming 8O

8) style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/b][/quote]

But there is nothing like diesel economy.

Good work pedro, you have to show these cruiser guys how to do it. Matt

[disco95]

Another landy moment that comes to mind, When I was about 16, living in WA the old man had a 1981 series III ute. We were cruising along the beach somewhere around a spot called Tims Thicket (we used to fish the area quite a bit) Coming along the beach there was a large group of guys in Patrols and Cruisers having a go at this huge dune, taking it in turns. Some struggled up, just, others made it halfway before coming to a stop. Dad thought he'd give it a go, so lined up for his shot, gunned the holden six, and tore off up the dune. Needless to say he pi$$ed up it, turned around and drove back down to the cheers of the guys watching. We continued off down the beach, and Dad smugly announced, "hey I forgot to put it in 4WD" 8O

Ahhh if only the guys struggling in their nissans and toyotas new that :wink:

[Ace]

Originally posted by disco95
Another landy moment that comes to mind, When I was about 16, living in WA the old man had a 1981 series III ute. We were cruising along the beach somewhere around a spot called Tims Thicket (we used to fish the area quite a bit) Coming along the beach there was a large group of guys in Patrols and Cruisers having a go at this huge dune, taking it in turns. Some struggled up, just, others made it halfway before coming to a stop. Dad thought he'd give it a go, so lined up for his shot, gunned the holden six, and tore off up the dune. Needless to say he pi$$ed up it, turned around and drove back down to the cheers of the guys watching. We continued off down the beach, and Dad smugly announced, "hey I forgot to put it in 4WD" 8O

Ahhh if only the guys struggling in their nissans and toyotas new that :wink:

We should compile a book, and call it, Landy 1, Jap Crap None. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif Matt

[disco95]

A lot of my mates had toyotas in the past. I'd always point out the fact that my series ute would go further than theirs. May not get you there fast, but it'll get you there. :wink:

[Ace]

Originally posted by disco95
A lot of my mates had toyotas in the past. I'd always point out the fact that my series ute would go further than theirs. May not get you there fast, but it'll get you there. :wink:

Yeah but think how much time you can put on them when they keep getting stuck and you dont. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif Matt

[DEFENDERZOOK]

Originally posted by LandyAndy
Inflicting revenge on a mate(hilux owner)
Once went offroading in a mates hilux.He was being quite a hero trying to scare me and was doing a good job.I was seriously scared as I thought sooner or later he would tip it.Luckilly he didnt.
A few weeks later I was taking him for a run along the beach at Moore riverin my 88" softop(with a 186 motor).We saw a track up this sandhill where motorbikes had been playing.I told him the old girl would do that easy,no way he says you would be lucky to get up there on a bike.
There was no room on the beach for much of run up,so I gave it to her and we flew up this track all the way to the top.I stoped at the top,just as well as there was a nasty drop the other side.
It blew my mate away,he just couldnt belive it and was telling everyone about my Landy for weeks.
He tried the same track in his hilux the next day,the best he could do was 1/2 way
Andrew




<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%">OH!! WHAT A FEELING !!</span>

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif he he he

[Ace]

Originally posted by DEFENDERZOOK+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DEFENDERZOOK)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-LandyAndy
Inflicting revenge on a mate(hilux owner)
Once went offroading in a mates hilux.He was being quite a hero trying to scare me and was doing a good job.I was seriously scared as I thought sooner or later he would tip it.Luckilly he didnt.
A few weeks later I was taking him for a run along the beach at Moore riverin my 88" softop(with a 186 motor).We saw a track up this sandhill where motorbikes had been playing.I told him the old girl would do that easy,no way he says you would be lucky to get up there on a bike.
There was no room on the beach for much of run up,so I gave it to her and we flew up this track all the way to the top.I stoped at the top,just as well as there was a nasty drop the other side.
It blew my mate away,he just couldnt belive it and was telling everyone about my Landy for weeks.
He tried the same track in his hilux the next day,the best he could do was 1/2 way
Andrew




<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%">OH!! WHAT A FEELING !!</span>

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif he he he[/b][/quote]

That Landy Feeling. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif Matt

[DEFENDERZOOK]

the rangies and discos didnt do all that much for me but every time i worked on a county or defender i used to look forward to the test drive each time. always an extended test drive too. especially in the army troopies. great feeling. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Ace]

Originally posted by DEFENDERZOOK
the rangies and discos didnt do all that much for me but every time i worked on a county or defender i used to look forward to the test drive each time. always an extended test drive too. especially in the army troopies. great feeling. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

Lucky bugger. :wink: Matt

[DEFENDERZOOK]

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[hiline]

i get that feeling everyday
driving the fender style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[DEFENDERZOOK]

you should try it in a army soft top ffr. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[Ace]

Originally posted by DEFENDERZOOK
you should try it in a army soft top ffr. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

Stop it you are just making me jealous now. Matt

[hiline]

Originally posted by DEFENDERZOOK
you should try it in a army soft top ffr. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

i would have more space than normal style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

oh the wind through my hair style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[DEFENDERZOOK]

and everywhere else you could imagine...

[Ace]

Originally posted by DEFENDERZOOK
and everywhere else you could imagine... 8O 8O 8O

[LandyAndy]

Until those who have had a "softop" Series or a ride in one you dont know what you are missing!!! No joking all the transmission noise and heat goes with the roof when you take it off,they are 2 completely different vehicles!!!!

OK who is going to remove thier "fender" roof first?????

Andrew

[medic455]

Originally posted by LandyAndy
Until those who have had a "softop" Series or a ride in one you dont know what you are missing!!! No joking all the transmission noise and heat goes with the roof when you take it off,they are 2 completely different vehicles!!!!

OK who is going to remove thier "fender" roof first?????

Andrew

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif ....top off, frame off, windscreen down.....Sunny Queensland (Brisbane excluded)....... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) :wink:

[hiline]

OK who is going to remove thier "fender" roof first?????


i wonder what the cost would be style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Maggot4x4]

Originally posted by hiline
OK who is going to remove thier "fender" roof first?????


i wonder what the cost would be style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

About 45 Mins :twisted:

[Ace]

Originally posted by hiline
OK who is going to remove thier "fender" roof first?????


i wonder what the cost would be style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

Vlad should make a soft top ute. Now that would be cool. Matt

[hiline]

1 problem :!: :!:
wear to put my roofconsole 8O

[Ace]

Originally posted by hiline
1 problem :!: :!:
wear to put my roofconsole 8O

I can sell you a skyhook for $50. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif Matt

[DEFENDERZOOK]

Originally posted by hiline
OK who is going to remove thier "fender" roof first?????


i wonder what the cost would be style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif



wont cost a thing if you find the right bridge to go under

[Redback]

This is becoming a really memorable moment for all the wrong reasons, everything is good to go just waiting on the insurence company to send the check to the dealer :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: and it's not happening the way we want it. :cry: :cry:

Baz.

Ps, patience Baz, patience Baz. 8)

[Ace]

Originally posted by Redback
This is becoming a really memorable moment for all the wrong reasons, everything is good to go just waiting on the insurence company to send the check to the dealer :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: and it's not happening the way we want it. :cry: :cry:

Baz.

Ps, patience Baz, patience Baz. 8)

I thought you said the insurance company sent the cheque. Matt

[Landy Smurf]

hard one but probably looking in the rear view mirrow seeing that landy on the back getting towed.

[isuzutoo-eh]

Tony,
Like this:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/07/643.jpg
or like this (okay, from wrong perspective):
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/07/644.jpg
(latter photo by Series3 Sam)


The former is a much more desirable sight :D

[rfurzer]

I had a deefer 300tdi and was driving down a greasy logging track between armidale and taree and came across a bogged, fully loaded log truck

I offered to call the blokes company from the next town but he was a LR fan and suggested a tow out!

A massive chain was looped over the chassis and off we went in LR Difflock. The extra input from the landy was enough to get the truck going.

Have an old photo of the landy towing the 68 ton truck up a muddy hill

[Landy Smurf]

Tony,
Like this:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/07/643.jpg
or like this (okay, from wrong perspective):
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/07/644.jpg
(latter photo by Series3 Sam)


The former is a much more desirable sight :D
just like that well not the 2nd one lol

[jerryd]

Taking part in the longest procession of landrovers ever :) to get a place in the guiness book of records.

I've got a plaque and some pics somewhere, I'll have to dig them out if I can remember where they are. I can't remember the exact number, but it was around 6-700 I think

[Landy Smurf]

cooma was a biggy for me,but i wasnt into land rovers that much then

[pop058]

Going on a quite Sunday Landy drive with Nan and finding she has backed the 2A Workshop out of the drive and refusing to get out of the drivers seat :ohyes:

[Landy Smurf]

Going on a quite Sunday Landy drive with Nan and finding she has backed the 2A Workshop out of the drive and refusing to get out of the drivers seat :ohyes:
that is a good one

[Landy Smurf]

my grandpa had land rover from 1953-1990 but now he is all negative about them and when i got mine i asked if he would like a drive for old time sakes and he didnt want to :(

[Narangga]

Monday of the June long weekend 2005 we drove out in the Defender on our way to Adelaide and made it 130km and the clutch chucked it in. :(

2 1/2 hours to drive back into town in 3rd gear :thumbsdown:

[Stuck]

In the old Stage 1 floating up the highway at a comfortable rate of knots (100+-) with a VG Valiant on a hired car float behind. Came over a crest and the traffic was stopped. Hit the brake pedal and not much happened. Armco to the left, oncoming traffic to the right and a Suzuki Sierra in the firing line. Clamped the seat cushion more than firmly between my ask cheeks and prayed. The look in the Zook drivers eyes after she'd smelt the smoke and then looked in her mirror to see how close I'd pulled up was priceless or at least it would have been if my heart and breathing were in their normal rhythm. The Gods were smiling on me that day.

[DeeJay]

[QUOTE=Stuck;1292910]In the old Stage 1 floating up the highway at a comfortable rate of knots (100+-) with a VG Valiant on a hired car float


Stuck...
You reminded me of stage 1 brakes :( Don't do that!!:D

I recall having about a tonne of firewood on board & heading up to a right handed bend in the gravel road when a log truck came flying the other way around it forcing me into the culvert as I headed into the corner waaay too fast. Useless brakes:mad:. I really thought I was going to die in a horrible rollover, as I was so used to the series 3's & in the panic thought I was still in one. She went around the corner with just the hint of the rear end breaking away.
Permanent 4wd - I fell in love with it that day :)

[Lostkiwi]

Pulling up to a stop sign which was on a slight down slope.Sat there in the 2a watching the telent walking past:D Not realizing my foot wasn't pushing the brake pedal hard enough and rolling into the car in front!:blush:
The silly thing about is the car in front just drove away!:wacko:

[rovercare]

Monday of the June long weekend 2005 we drove out in the Defender on our way to Adelaide and made it 130km and the clutch chucked it in. :(

2 1/2 hours to drive back into town in 3rd gear :thumbsdown:

Just change clutchless, I've been driving my dunga for about 6 days (4 before I left to NSW and 2 since back) now with no clutch, start in low first and work your way up and down:D

New master and slave to be fitted tomorrow:)

[Narangga]

Just change clutchless, I've been driving my dunga for about 6 days (4 before I left to NSW and 2 since back) now with no clutch, start in low first and work your way up and down:D

New master and slave to be fitted tomorrow:)

Numerous washouts in that 130km - hence no gear changes and relying on the super smooth Deefer suspension :eek:

[sashadidi]

Monday of the June long weekend 2005 we drove out in the Defender on our way to Adelaide and made it 130km and the clutch chucked it in. :(

2 1/2 hours to drive back into town in 3rd gear :thumbsdown:


reminds me not of my experience but when I was transversing Africa we met some Germans in a series 2a that only had one gear (2nd from memory) they drove it home from just outside Brazzaville, Congo all the way to munich in Germany
!!!! roads were pretty tough some of the way so was 2nd high or 2nd low!!!
Brazzaville see google maps:
Brazzaville, Congo - Google Maps (http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Brazzaville,+Congo&sll=-41.244772,172.617188&sspn=48.545286,135.263672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Brazzaville,+Congo&z=12)

[Savanahkelpy]

I once used my series 3 shorty as an anchor point for my tirfor, to reef a twin cab hi-lux off the concrete block batter, on the end of a storm water pipe. He had lost control on a clay patch after a small rain shower and 8000lb winch on the front,,useless for working backwards. Payed me, $ 10 for the effort, while i got to ogle his daughter,:eek:, strutting around in her bikini,,:twisted::D