Sydney "Raids"?

[Pickles2]

What is happening,..anyone got any info?
Pickles.

[Fatso]

No , but I hope it is what I think it is !!!!!!!!!

[ramblingboy42]

Live blog: Hundreds of police mount anti-terrorism raids in Sydney and Brisbane - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-18/live-blog3a-anti-terrorism-raids-in-sydney-and-brisbane/5752074)

[incisor]

havent heard jack about the budget in a week or more....

the plan seems to be working...

[Pedro_The_Swift]

cynic!:p

[TeamFA]

cynic!:p

Realist! :p

[ramblingboy42]

comedian!

[Chucaro]

Live blog: Hundreds of police mount anti-terrorism raids in Sydney and Brisbane (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-18/live-blog3a-anti-terrorism-raids-in-sydney-and-brisbane/5752074)

Things started to get serious :eek:

[DiscoMick]

The raid in Brisbane was only about a five minute drive from my house. No-one I know even noticed until they saw it on TV.
Be interesting to see if any of the charges stack up in court. From what I've read it just sounded like a couple of blokes having a bit of a rant on their mobiles, which were tapped of course, since nothing is private nowdays.
If they've broken the law then its fine to charge them accordingly, but let's not go overboard and return to the bad old 'reds under the beds' days.
I'd be more worried about a potential explosion in street crime if this government cuts off the dole for 6 months. People have to eat somehow.

[bob10]

I think G20 has every one nervous. Bob

[d2dave]

As soon as I heard this on the news this morning I knew there would be thread on here as I thought to my self there would have to be cynics pop up.

Well Dave, you did not let me down.

[incisor]

Well Dave, you did not let me down.

things i do to make people happy...

off to smell the roses, bye...

[87County]

Well known tory trick - beat the drums of war or scaremonger (or do both if possible)

It worked for pig-iron bob and for little johnny ......

does this make it a political comment ? :angel:

[olbod]

Of course trouble will only likely happen somewhere else, not in our space.
If and when the bombs go off on our soil and folks are killed, we will be up in arms and demand that somebody else do something.
I dont have alot of sympathy for us.

[Chucaro]

Just in the news, quote: :eek::angrylock::censored:


Breaking news
Court documents expected to reveal terror plot involved filming the beheading of a member of the public

New South Wales Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione said the raids targeted people who were planning to inflict "serious violence on a random member of the public".

AFP Acting Commissioner Andrew Colvin said police "believe that this group that we have executed this operation on today had the intention and had started to carry out planning to commit violent acts here in Australia".

[mike123]

That explains why we had a helicopter above us early this morning. I was too tired to make much sense out of it. The only thing I thought was it could be a police operation but didn't expect it to be of that scale. Several months ago we had the same thing but on that occasion an elderly gent with dementia was lost in Lane Cove National Park and hadn't returned home the previous day.

[DiscoMick]

If the early reports turn out to be correct it would seem the police were quite justified in acting.


ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/beta/)

[Chucaro]

It starting to getting serious.....
I do not care what it will take but we have to protect our children.
Get the bastards!!

Sydney Christian school targeted by death threats from car with flag 'similar to Islamic State's' (http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/sydney-christian-school-targeted-by-death-threats-from-car-with-flag-similar-to-islamic-states-20140918-10ige1.html)

[DiscoMick]

Just noticed one of the houses raided in Sydney was in a street where I used to live a long time ago. Was a very quiet little street then.
Appears a single tapped phone call two days ago contained the conversation which triggered the raids.
So I guess this confirms the authorities do already have the ability to monitor suspicious calls.

[101RRS]

Abbot like Howard before him needs a terrorist threat to boost his flagging popularity.

[UncleHo]

But isn't he waaaaaay up North at a hard to get location?

[JamesB71]

Im betting anyone against the raids are either islamic or dont live in merrylands...

[incisor]

who has said they are against them?

[Gerokent]

So who is going to Volunteer to be the first to be be-headed on our soil so the authorities can do something against these sick ****** without the do-gooders protecting their "freedoms"

[Chucaro]

There is one small detail that upsetting me and it is that bastards are going to finish in our jails at the cost of $125000 each a year, money that can be allocated for hospitals or care of the old among other options.

We have hundreds of abandoned mining shafts (with water)which can be use to "drop" this individuals inside and every few weeks give them some road kill for food.
This for sure have to work out cheaper than our jails and perhaps we can find volunteers to "look after" them at a very low rate.

Just a thought............

[UncleHo]

Shades of a South American regime :wasntme:

[Chucaro]

Shades of a South American regime :wasntme:

Why, you would give them a nice jail with a mosque and food according to their culture?
The ones jailed in South America only committed the same crime that people committing here, just complaining against the government policies.
It will be offensive to compare them to the ISIS mob!

[UncleHo]

No I would not have them in a nice jail of their choising,but our jails already serve Halal food, but then again I would not wish to drop them down a mine shaft,I am not that inhumane.

[V8Ian]

But isn't he waaaaaay up North at a hard to get location?

Ipswich? I didn't think it was that hard to get to. :confused::twisted:

[bob10]

He headed for civilisation when they started cooking goana, Bob

[UncleHo]

Eeeeeh! "tastes like S but you can live on it" (from a movie in which an aussie actor starred)

[AndyG]

snopes.com: Pershing and Pigs (http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pershing.asp)
:twisted::wasntme::angel:

[defmec]

The musilums are coming to get us, help us tony, we better forget about the budget crisis and send our troops over to a country we just spent the last 10 years destroying and paving way for Isis because Obama needs our special ability of ass licking and committing our tax dollars to prop up the war empire. I was only saying to someone two days ago that we will have a terrorist threat in the next coming weeks to push the public towards happily joining the USA in another war. **** the poor, there is people on the other side of the world we need to kill

[Chucaro]

It would be interesting to see your opinion if some one of the public get decapitated :mad:

[discovery39]

havent heard jack about the budget in a week or more....

the plan seems to be working...

Sooooo not part of team Australia??:)

[Chucaro]

havent heard jack about the budget in a week or more....

the plan seems to be working...

Some cartoonist got it spot on :D

http://www.inkcinct.com.au/web-pages/cartoons/2014/2014-473--In-a-sweat-over-terrorism-AUSTRALIA-GOVERNMENT.jpg

[incisor]

Sooooo not part of team Australia??:)

if team australia in any way resembles team america, no

but i am all for a fair go for all australians and from what i have seen of abbott and his merry pack of self entitled ignoramuses, i am more for those australians that need a helping hand than they are that is for sure.

so far we have a had a contrived budget emergency, a contrived subsidy emergency, now a contrived terrorist emergency, next cab off the rank will have to be some sort of health emergency as the union rorts and pink bats royal commissions have been total frizzes thus far ...

sadly it is all predictable as rain...

bit like the budget emergency then law and order emergency in qld

sadly seen it all before.

when this lot get tossed out the next bunch will start it all again.....

we badly need another don chipp imho

[d2dave]

The musilums are coming to get us, help us tony, we better forget about the budget crisis and send our troops over to a country we just spent the last 10 years destroying and paving way for Isis because Obama needs our special ability of ass licking and committing our tax dollars to prop up the war empire. I was only saying to someone two days ago that we will have a terrorist threat in the next coming weeks to push the public towards happily joining the USA in another war. **** the poor, there is people on the other side of the world we need to kill

I really can't believe that some would believe this crap, let alone post it publicly.

[Mick_Marsh]

Well known tory trick - beat the drums of war or scaremonger (or do both if possible)

It worked for pig-iron bob and for little johnny ......

does this make it a political comment ? :angel:
The Keatster used to arc up about the republic or changing the flag for the same result.

[Mick_Marsh]

We have hundreds of abandoned mining shafts (with water)which can be use to "drop" this individuals inside
Heard on the news tonight, someone tried that recently near Avoca.

[Mick_Marsh]

I was only saying to someone two days ago that we will have a terrorist threat in the next coming weeks to push the public towards happily joining the USA in another war. **** the poor, there is people on the other side of the world we need to kill
These raids started being planned way back in May. The terrorist threat was uncovered back then. They spent all this time gathering evidence.

[Mick_Marsh]

we badly need another don chipp imho
Yep. The Tash and Aides never took up his mantle.
Pity.

[EastFreo]

Personally I think this situation is above politics and whether any of us like Tony Abbott or not.

Globally we all face a massive problem with the Islamic State or ISIS or whatever they want to call it. And this now extends to here In Australia.

Like it or not the face of fundamentalism is here and I for one am thankful for our Police and Intelligence organisations to foil these attempts - irrespective if they are real or some young hot heads.

[sashadidi]

Interesting that some people appear to believe its a government plot for distraction yet want to do dastardly deeds to the people or group that were caught and not yet tried in a court of law....

Dichotomy: Dichotomy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dichotomy)

[Rosco8]

What always gets me, this is all in the name of religion. History is littered with wars and atrocities over religion. Why have (are) so many of us (as the human race) believe only our religion is the one and true religion and others should either convert to it or pay the consequence.

[nugge t]

Abbot like Howard before him needs a terrorist threat to boost his flagging popularity.



At least it is more real than the drugs in sport fiasco used to try and divert attention from a rolling budget blow outs.

[defmec]

Gulf of tonkin?. and still the sheeple are nieve

[Gerokent]

What always gets me, this is all in the name of religion. History is littered with wars and atrocities over religion. Why have (are) so many of us (as the human race) believe only our religion is the one and true religion and others should either convert to it or pay the consequence.


So true.
A wise man once said (I can't remember who) "It is the duty of every man to disprove the existance of god" or somthing simillar.
It wasn't John Lennon though :D But we can only imagine

[Chucaro]

What always gets me, this is all in the name of religion. History is littered with wars and atrocities over religion. Why have (are) so many of us (as the human race) believe only our religion is the one and true religion and others should either convert to it or pay the consequence.

I do not follow any religion, regulated or not but I believe that the problem is not religion, it is greed for power, money, etc and the people with these greed are using religion manipulation the laws on them to suit their own agenda.
If religion it is not suitable as a tool then in same cases they are using political ideology instead to control the masses and even commit crime.
What happens with the Muslim religion is a clear example of it.
Removing greed for human nature will fix 90% of our problems but then again that it is a dream impossible to make it a reality. :(

[incisor]

Interesting that some people appear to believe its a government plot for distraction yet want to do dastardly deeds to the people or group that were caught and not yet tried in a court of law....

Dichotomy: Dichotomy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dichotomy)


there is a big difference between taking advantage of something and plotting it...

as for the second part of the sentence, agree, yep is strange behavior and they do little for their credibility....

sadly this lot are politicising it way more than it should have been imho

that is not to say the last lot wouldn't have done the same,

i just find it amazing that people consider it acceptable behavior.

before there may have been a handful willing to have a go, if this sort of behavior keeps up there may well be dozens ...

and on the other foot, is the abc going to do something to sanction / pull into line waheed ali over his behavior when interviewing tanya plibersek yesterday?

just amazing what seemingly intelligent people do when it comes to religious fervor...

[defmec]

Religion is just a camouflage for the politics that are in play. Im not religious but have read the bible and the quran and the quran is alot less sadistic than the bible. The thugs that hide under the name Isis,isil,aqiada are political Mafias. Hamas were created by isreal fact, Taliban were created by the USA fact, most of the world's Muslims live without violence. Every war the west has dictated is because of money. How is Libya going after the USA decided to fund the ousting of Gaddafi?. How has funding and aiding the rebels in Syria ended up?. How has overthrowing Saddam Hussein done good for Iraq? . If you can't see that the west is causing more than its helping you should turn of sky news and abc and go take a history lesson.

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[Ausfree]

Wars involving the United States of America.

List of wars involving the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States)

[nugge t]

I would like to see the USA do nothing outside their own borders for the next 20 years.


Leave all the heavy lifting in the world to the tax payers of Russia, China and the Middle East countries who appear to be sitting on their hands right now.


The world will apparently be a much better place. It is amazing how people are so ready to have a dig at some one but who do they turn to when they need help.

[Mick_Marsh]

It is amazing how people are so ready to have a dig at some one but who do they turn to when they need help.
Ghost Busters
Phone 555-2368

[nugge t]

Ghost Busters
Phone 555-2368



That would need to be


Phone 86-10-555-2368 or 7-495-55-2368 if it were in the first 20 years.

[101RRS]

So we had the largest anti-terrorist raid yesterday - planning executions in Martin Place. Something like 15 people detained/arrested.

Yet today, nine have been released without charge, two women have been issues summons for minor (unknown offences) and one person has been charged with firearm possession offences.

So this operation has resulted in 2 minor and one major charge.

While I have no problem in the constabulary stirring this lot up, the hype does not seem to match the charges laid.

[nugge t]

Are 3 being held without charges or were 12 detained/arrested?


Each interview with authorities I saw said it was an ongoing investigation and more arrest were expecteded. They also were at pains to explain that they had to balance the collection of evidence with public safety.


I guess the civil libertarians would have preferred that they had waited until they had hacked of an innocent person's head to ensure that the rights of the head hacker were not affected.


An article I read recently revealed that had it not been for the access to meta data, the Holdsworthy Barrack bomb plotter most probably would not have been found until it was too late. He, apparently was not on any watch list and it was only through communication with someone who was being watched that they were able to back track him and shut him down.

[mns488]

So we had the largest anti-terrorist raid yesterday - planning executions in Martin Place. Something like 15 people detained/arrested.

Yet today, nine have been released without charge, two women have been issues summons for minor (unknown offences) and one person has been charged with firearm possession offences.

So this operation has resulted in 2 minor and one major charge.

While I have no problem in the constabulary stirring this lot up, the hype does not seem to match the charges laid.

I don't understand your point.

Your argument could be the same for the police and their raids on bikie gangs (in Vic). They were the largest raids in history as well with small number of arrests. Was more for the disturbance than anything including myself, my drive to work is straight past hells angels in alphington (VIC).

I'd hate to be a cop. Damned if you do and (probably) damned if you don't.

[Bess]

So we had the largest anti-terrorist raid yesterday - planning executions in Martin Place. Something like 15 people detained/arrested.

Yet today, nine have been released without charge, two women have been issues summons for minor (unknown offences) and one person has been charged with firearm possession offences.

So this operation has resulted in 2 minor and one major charge.

While I have no problem in the constabulary stirring this lot up, the hype does not seem to match the charges laid.

Yep, the points you have made basically show that our legal/justice system is working the way we would have it.

The burden of proof is upon us to make any charges stick!

Problem is the radicals of this world do not play by the same rules thou they are highly adept at using & manipulating these very rules of ours against us.

As a fair and just nation we will continue to offer those less able a chance of a better life in our country, we will help house,feed & educate these people in the hope of assisting them towards a better life & future,as we should!

History has shown that our country can & will benefit from this initial generosity.

Unfortunately it is this very generosity & our legal/justice system that some radicals who have slipped through will continue to use against us & other country's that share our ethos.

We play by a very different set of rules to these people & unless we want to start using there game plan against them we will always be on the defence side.

Perhaps it has always been this way, perhaps it always will be.

Human nature???

To those who care I say keep up the good fight & protect those you love!

Regards Chris.

[Pickles2]

Chris, Good post, particularly your last line.
Pickles.

[defmec]

Nugget, who will the USA sell all its weapons to if they don't start conflicts all over the world, their economy will implode.
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[Chenz]

if team australia in any way resembles team america, no

but i am all for a fair go for all australians and from what i have seen of abbott and his merry pack of self entitled ignoramuses, i am more for those australians that need a helping hand than they are that is for sure.

so far we have a had a contrived budget emergency, a contrived subsidy emergency, now a contrived terrorist emergency, next cab off the rank will have to be some sort of health emergency as the union rorts and pink bats royal commissions have been total frizzes thus far ...

sadly it is all predictable as rain...

bit like the budget emergency then law and order emergency in qld

sadly seen it all before.

when this lot get tossed out the next bunch will start it all again.....

we badly need another don chipp imho

No need to worry, the Australian Electoral System has seen fit to put Clive Palmer and Co in the drivers seat. I feel much better knowing that there is always a well meaning minority party in place to stop the big bad government from doing what the majority of the nation elected them to do

[incisor]

No need to worry, the Australian Electoral System has seen fit to put Clive Palmer and Co in the drivers seat. I feel much better knowing that there is always a well meaning minority party in place to stop the big bad government from doing what the majority of the nation elected them to do
except they lied about just about everything they intended to do :p

but lets not let facts get in the way now will we...

[ramblingboy42]

No need to worry, the Australian Electoral System has seen fit to put Clive Palmer and Co in the drivers seat. I feel much better knowing that there is always a well meaning minority party in place to stop the big bad government from doing what the majority of the nation elected them to do

the political party that had a majority was one called Labor.

none of the others can stand on their own.....

lets get it right.

[Chenz]

No child will live in poverty
There will be no Carbon Tax under a government I lead

They are all as bad as one another so not's let Lib v Lab argument spoil a good post

While ever we have an electoral system that allows a person to have a say in Parliament with 0.5 of the vote we all be able to sleep better at night

[Ean Austral]

the political party that had a majority was one called Labor.

none of the others can stand on their own.....

lets get it right.


Ramblingboy for dumb people like me can you explain how your comment works.

If Labour had the majority I would have thought they would have gotten re-elected.


Maybe I am dumber than I think I am


Cheers Ean

[rangietragic]

during ww1 pretty much any german living in australia,no matter for how long,was rounded up and put in a concentration camp for the duration of hostilities,ww2 germans ,italians and japanese got the same treatment to help keep us safe from people who wished us harm.Just saying:angel:

[ramblingboy42]

its very simple . only one party in its own right had a majority

[Ean Austral]

its very simple . only one party in its own right had a majority


We must be talking about 2 different things.


We all know without a doubt where your political views lay, nothing wrong with that I might add.


Cheers Ean

[JamesB71]

He's implying that the Liberal Nat coalition only has the numbers through a coalition. Which is true.

The Labour party has to do a similar thing with greens and independents.

Its life in the modern political arena where everyone fights over the middle ground and the people think they have a choice, but its only between one set of lawyers and another slightly different set of lawyers. The days when politicians were representatives are long gone. We live in an oligarchy.

[Pickles2]

its very simple . only one party in its own right had a majority
So you don't have a problem with Labor using the Greens,.....and the Independants,.....when they were "governing"?
Pickles.

[Chucaro]

Please!!

All members stop it and go back to the topic. ;)

[JamesB71]

What was that again?

:p

[ramblingboy42]

[COLOR="Navy"]
So you don't have a problem with Labor using the Greens,.....and the Independants,.....when they were "governing"?
Pickles.

not at all

[ramblingboy42]

We must be talking about 2 different things.


We all know without a doubt where your political views lay, nothing wrong with that I might add.


Cheers Ean

well actually , you have no idea.

.....and the LNP as we know it is made up of four parties.....not one.

Liberals
Nationals
Country Liberals
Liberal Nationals

[d2dave]

well actually , you have no idea.

.....and the LNP as we know it is made up of four parties.....not one.

Liberals
Nationals
Country Liberals
Liberal Nationals

Does it matter?

[digger]

Couple of things about this thread...

a) Chucaro, your idea about tossing prisoners down a mine shaft and throwing road kill in every now and again is an interesting one, made more interesting by you being the one to suggest it.

You have long held a hard line against regimes who torture or treat prisoners of anytype inhumanely, now you are the one advocating it??? Maybe this is how those regimes started doing it?

b) People complain about the big operation, about the time taken to 'pounce' and about the fact that there is only so much can be proven and so some are detained and then released after interview...

Either you want Police and ASIO to operate by the rules or you dont... make your mind up... But in the meantime be very wary about whats happening here, this may have stopped you or someone you know being abducted and beheaded at random.

c) this is all a distraction by the Govt to distract people from what the government is doing. or to distract you from the fact they arent keeping election promises and are changing their proposed budget

What a load of crap, how did the Govt get ISIS up and going?? How did the Govt set up this terrorist plot??
Maybe the election promises arent being kept due to the massive lies told about the state of the budget prior to the election....

and this happens both ways so dont even bother jumping up and whinging Im not interested.

Lastly,... how this is not now a thouroughly political thread Im stuffed if I know.. People are already starting to snipe.

Kill the thread and do us all a favour.

my 2c

[mikehzz]

It's not entirely political, if GOD wills it, then the thread will go POOF!

[Pickles2]

Nothing at all wrong with this thread. It's an important topic,....so what, if there are different views? I think the discussion's been good. There are some VERY knowledgeable (NOT ME) people on here who really do know some of the background of what's happening, I enjoy reading it and learning.
Pickles.

[Chucaro]

Couple of things about this thread...

a) Chucaro, your idea about tossing prisoners down a mine shaft and throwing road kill in every now and again is an interesting one, made more interesting by you being the one to suggest it.

You have long held a hard line against regimes who torture or treat prisoners of anytype inhumanely, now you are the one advocating it??? Maybe this is how those regimes started doing it?

.................................................. ................................................
my 2c

Yes I still held the line against regimes who torture their political opponents but do not have any respect for those people (humans?) that are prepared to decapitate or blow innocents members of the public.
One thing is torture a person because complain or is against the policies put in place by a draconian government and other is in these case.
There are not comparison IMO.
Perhaps you are in favor of put them in our jails at the cost of over $120000 a year with also the possibilities of them be free before serve their time. Well, that is your legitimate view and I respect it.
I am sure that any person that could have a lover one victim of these crimes will not disagree to much with my views.

[bob10]

Along with a lot of Australians, I would like to see those murderers dead. But as a Nation, we can't let them divide us.Thankfully, Australia is a democratic society, that believes in the rule of law, for all. It's the glue that holds us together. We must not let a small group of demented ratbags unravel our society. As much as I am moved with anger to cut the throat of those mongrels, the rule of law must prevail. It's the way we live, the way we survive. I wouldn't have it any other way, Bob

[incisor]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/09/754.jpg

[Mick_Marsh]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/09/754.jpg
Hey! That Series shorty has 101 rims!

[Ean Austral]

well actually , you have no idea.

.....and the LNP as we know it is made up of four parties.....not one.

Liberals
Nationals
Country Liberals
Liberal Nationals

Thanks for the lesson, I always feel better for it, even if it's something I do already know.

Cheers Ean

[Ancient Mariner]

Sheep skin or tropic roof or glasses need cleaning ?:D