New Grader

[LandyAndy]

Got some good news today,they chose to buy me another CAT grader in yesterdays Shire meeting.I have really enjoyed steering this 12M,the new one is another 12M.They were upgraded last year and now use a 140 frame and motor.They have stock,3 were unloaded at the harbour today so shouldnt be too long before I get it:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool: :cool::cool:
New generation CAT M-Series graders arrive — Earthmover and Civil Contractor (http://www.earthmover.com.au/news/2013/august/august-15th/other-top-stories/new-generation-cat-m-series-graders-arrive)
Andrew

[UncleHo]

Comes complete with Bluetooth :) just think of all those poor office workers who are lucky just to get air-con in their little offices in Nth Qld.

[scarry]

New D4,new grader,your doing pretty well ATM:o:D:p

[LandyAndy]

New D4,new grader,your doing pretty well ATM:o:D:p

Will have to add MY14 CAT 12M to my siggy:D:D:D:D
Andrew

[Chucaro]

Andrew, just as a matter of curiosity, what it is the turning radius of the beast?...............it is bigger that the one of a Cab Crew Defe 130? :p

[LandyAndy]

Andrew, just as a matter of curiosity, what it is the turning radius of the beast?...............it is bigger that the one of a Cab Crew Defe 130? :p

MUCH smaller Chuckie!!!!
Here is a pic to demonstrate,I can drive around a Rodeo ute in circles.I doubt even a falcoodunnydoore could do it without spinning the wheels;););););););)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/09/806.jpg (http://s113.photobucket.com/user/LandyAndy_2006/media/002-117.jpg.html)
Andrew

[Chucaro]

Very nice indeed :cool:
Is the base model or the AWD?

[LandyAndy]

Not AWD,we have no need for it Chuckie.
Thats my current 12M
The new one is $334000 worth;);););););)
Andrew

[nat_89]

Haha as stated above your lucky 2 new toys in a year!! Bloody hell if a small one is $334000 I could only wonder what we pay for the 24Ms with full mine spec sheesh!!

[disco man]

Very nice toy,
We have a very old 12H that looks after the roads underground,and i have to say old Ernie who looks after all the roads and declines does a bloody good job.I have no idea how to operate a grader,but i have huge respect for the blokes that do.

[Gerokent]

Wasn't your old one new only last year?
Must be hard on them if you need a new one every year or so:wasntme::D

[LandyAndy]

Wasn't your old one new only last year?
Must be hard on them if you need a new one every year or so:wasntme::D

My 12M is 2.5 years old now,and done 2500hours.We keep my 12M,it becomes the maintence grader.The Volvo maintence grader is the machine thats getting replaced;););););)
Andrew

[Will Wallace]

Comes complete with Bluetooth :) just think of all those poor office workers who are lucky just to get air-con in their little offices in Nth Qld.

I enjoy my tiny a/c office in nq. Hahaha

[Will Wallace]

We run the HD672d at work. Never get to use the bloody things though.

Will.

[Chucaro]

Have you guys watched this video?

John Deere G-Series Motor Grader versus Caterpillar M-Series Demonstration

[Will Wallace]

Graders and dozers are my two favourite bits of gear.

Will

[Sprint]

I have no idea how to operate a grader,but i have huge respect for the blokes that do.

Once upon a time I worked on the road crew for the local shire as an operator/gofer, and I queried the foreman as to how to operate a grader, he answered with a smile "its easy, pull on a lever, if it doesnt go up, it moves to the right, the hard part is getting it all co-ordinated".....

[Graz]

Got some good news today,they chose to buy me another CAT grader in yesterdays Shire meeting.I have really enjoyed steering this 12M,the new one is another 12M.They were upgraded last year and now use a 140 frame and motor.They have stock,3 were unloaded at the harbour today so shouldnt be too long before I get it:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool: :cool::cool:
New generation CAT M-Series graders arrive — Earthmover and Civil Contractor (http://www.earthmover.com.au/news/2013/august/august-15th/other-top-stories/new-generation-cat-m-series-graders-arrive)
Andrew


Can I have the old one? :):)

[Chucaro]

Can I have the old one? :):)

With only that hours it will be $200000 and the rest :D

[LandyAndy]

Great video Chuckie.
The guy steering the CAT hasnt had the time needed on the 12M to adjust to the controls,they said he has been with Deere for 6 years,thats about when CAT released the M series;);););).You dont need to strangle the joysticks like he is,when I was learning I did too;);););)I use my finger and thumb thesedays;);););),no need to swing them joysticks wildly like that. They say you cant see the heel of the mulboard,that is a 12 foot blade,mine is 14 feet,can see the heel easy peasy.
They could have critisised the CATs lack of power,its woeful with the 14ft blade and a big load of dirt,them Deeres are mighty strong machines.The new CAT has a bigger motor.
They didnt say why the Deere HAS to have a steering wheel and the CAT doesnt need one.The Deere steering isnt speed sensative,it supplies the same steering effort at low and high speed so cannot be legaly operated at transport speed on a road.The machine is speed limited to 30kmh and then you have to revert to the wheel to steer.Real handy when your turn around is a few hundred meters down the road,switch to steering wheel,roar up the road,now do a 3 point turn spinning that wheel madly lock to lock,or of course switch back to the pods,do the 3 point turn,switch back to the steering wheel,get back to the work piece switch back to pods:D:D:D:D:D:D As the CAT is speed sensative it can be lisenced to travel at transport speeds with joysticks,so the wheel is redundant!!!! Both the Deere and Volvo have steering wheels.At the max 30kmh they are dangerous,they swerve at the slightest move of the steering control.
I had the choice of the same Deere last time around,didnt like the pod controls.This time around,they werent in the ballpark,CAT $334000,Deere $357000.
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

Can I have the old one? :):)

We is keeping it Olde Fella.
Your cashed up Bro may want to buy the Volvo we traded:p:p:p:p:p:p
Andrew

[Chucaro]

Was the test hard to do?
It is hard to keep the blade almost touching the concrete edge?

[LandyAndy]

Was the test hard to do?
It is hard to keep the blade almost touching the concrete edge?

You wont get much harder a job in a grader,cul de sacs then intersections.Its all final trim work.The cul de sac was already constructed to spec,you then lay the kerb,then you give it a final trim before the pavement.
Andrew

[Davehoos]

work have 2, 12M power plus perkins C6.7, and 2 14ft John deer. mostly maintanence grade with odd repair/rehab.


we use sandvik carbide tips on and cut edge for final trim work.


12 M 3500 hr service I replaced the circle bushes.
about 3 bushes need it as you expect. top shims had rusted away to less than tissue paper allowing movement. replaced second set of ram ball cups. they are tin with bearing metal spayed on.


just got updated lower blade slide bush material. new part number. lower slide would shatter or hard ground.


very scary to drive in traffic, I often drive around doing the service in a rural village does help if you loosen up

[Sprint]

the comparison video was bound to be biased considering its a JD youtube channel.... was pretty obvious the Cat operator was being rough, watching the stick movement and the blade jerking around was enough....

[LandyAndy]

Hey Chuckie.
Here are a few pics of my next job,when I get hold of a grader!!!! My current CAT is back at Westrac getting a failed final drive bearing fixed,it wont be back until next week,may get my newbie next week:cool::cool::cool::cool:
OK this job.It will rate as the most difficult Ive done.Its a roadway thru old peoples homes the shire are building in town.I constructed the road last year before the units were built,it wasnt completed at the time as we had a heavy construction programme on and all the builders needed was site acsess.So we did the sand pad and gravel road and went on with our other work.

First up we constructed the acsess road thru the site.
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Once the road was good enough we had to dig 1200mm of clay subsoil out of the area where the units were getting built.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/09/409.jpg (http://s113.photobucket.com/user/LandyAndy_2006/media/001_zps7e6c104a.jpg.html)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/09/410.jpg (http://s113.photobucket.com/user/LandyAndy_2006/media/002_zps6fd39442.jpg.html)

Then the sand pad.
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https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/09/412.jpg (http://s113.photobucket.com/user/LandyAndy_2006/media/004_zps10f5b8ec.jpg.html)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/09/413.jpg (http://s113.photobucket.com/user/LandyAndy_2006/media/002_zpsc10d4072.jpg.html)

Now that lot was EASYPEASY.
Next stage is the hard part.Just had the surveyors in to peg out the road again now the units are built.I now have to complete the road.Its 5m wide,and has a negative camber,ie -3% inverted crown.So 2.5m to the drain that runs down the centre of the road.My blade is 4.3m long!!!!
The puddle is a leaking Water Corp main(we hope).
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These sumps also have to go into the road and get plumbed together,that will be after I get it pretty well completed and ready to seal.After there in it will be re astablish the correct levels and compaction then seal.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/09/419.jpg (http://s113.photobucket.com/user/LandyAndy_2006/media/004_zpsaf0bd1b9.jpg.html)

Andrew

[Chucaro]

:eek: There are some spots very close to the homes!!
I have seen cars out of control inside homes but I would not like to see a Cat M12 out of control inside one!! :D

I forgot to asking you how you go about levels in the jobs?
Have the Grader a laser receiver and adjust the blade according to the data from the sender?

[Chucaro]

Andrew, if the new Cat does not arrive in time for that job ask for this one :)

Russell motor grader

[LandyAndy]

:eek: There are some spots very close to the homes!!
I have seen cars out of control inside homes but I would not like to see a Cat M12 out of control inside one!! :D

I forgot to asking you how you go about levels in the jobs?
Have the Grader a laser receiver and adjust the blade according to the data from the sender?

I wish!!!!!!
The grader can have laser and GPS fitted,its factory wired,not fitted on ours.
Work off the surveyors peg levels or our own laser dumpy level and hand held staff.
I do have automated cross slope control,ie you tell the computer which % crossfall you want and the side of the blade you want controlled.Its a bloody good system,mahes the job easier.
Andrew

[Chucaro]

Bugger mate!!! what you are wishing it is not new technology, we have them in the John Deere tractors for leveling the soil for the rice flooded crops.

[LandyAndy]

May hop in my old Volvo if we havent got any urgent work for the other grader driver thanks!!!!!
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

Called into Westrac Welshpool today to visit my new grader:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
They havent completed the pre delivery yet,basicaly just needs the windows tinting and detailing Im told:cool::cool::cool::cool:
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Andrew

[Chucaro]

Is the cabin fitted with a coffee espresso machine? :p
I remember years ago some tractors used to come with thermos.

[BMKal]

Is the cabin fitted with a coffee espresso machine? :p
I remember years ago some tractors used to come with thermos.

Espresso coffee maker, fridge, microwave, shag pile carpet and "Lazyboy" style armchair ......................... :p:p:p

[nat_89]

Its all nice and shiny and new haha although been ages since I've seen a grader with a rubber ladder!!

[LandyAndy]

Its all nice and shiny and new haha although been ages since I've seen a grader with a rubber ladder!!

So is my current CAT:p:p:p:p
Its in Bunbury getting fixed,it spun a bearing in the right rear brakes.Should be ready friday morning.
The mechanic that came out to look at it before we sent it to get fixed was the one who did the pre-delivery on it,his last job as an apprentice.He couldnt belive how clean and new looking it still was,tells me I must really look after it.He isnt the first Westrac mechanic to compliment me of how I look after my grader;););););)
Our 12H had rubber steps too.
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

Espresso coffee maker, fridge, microwave, shag pile carpet and "Lazyboy" style armchair ......................... :p:p:p

The "Lazyboy" sits in the chair,money for jam:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
Andrew

[Sprint]

The "Lazyboy" sits in the chair,money for jam:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
Andrew

Funny thing is, that was pretty much the same sentiment as the old boy who told me "Pull on any of those levers, if it doesnt go up it goes right".... old bugger didnt seem to think it was much of a task, the mere concept gave me ulcers!

[Hay Ewe]

Are any of these graders 6 wheel drive?
If the front wheels do drive, how? hydraulic or shafts and gear box?

The rear wheels.
they are on a walking beam. how does the drive from the input get to each wheel? chain or shaft and gearboxes?

With the two rear wheels in close proximity, there will be some scrubbing of the tires on a turn, how is that dealt with? Is there a differential in each walking beam?

thanks

[JFD]

Austin Western and Aveling Barford did or may still do build 4x4 and 6x6 drive graders with mechanical drive to the front axle.There are other makes as well,some using hydraulic assist.Aveling Barford used chain drive in the tandem drive walking beam and there was no differential in either the front or rear drives,they just relied on the tyres scuffing and this did lead to broken front drive axles occasionally on graders that did a lot of travelling on hard surface roads as they were constant all wheel drive.

[Chucaro]

So is my current CAT:p:p:p:p
Its in Bunbury getting fixed,it spun a bearing in the right rear brakes.Should be ready friday morning.
The mechanic that came out to look at it before we sent it to get fixed was the one who did the pre-delivery on it,his last job as an apprentice.He couldnt belive how clean and new looking it still was,tells me I must really look after it.He isnt the first Westrac mechanic to compliment me of how I look after my grader;););););)
Our 12H had rubber steps too.
Andrew

Are you doing the 500 hours service? it will take few hours to do it properly.
I just have a look the operators service manual of it and it is a typical Caterpillar and John Deere manual.
Bugger, I miss not being involved with the JD gear any more :(
For those curios about the M12 maintenance intervals the manual is HERE

[nat_89]

So is my current CAT:p:p:p:p
Its in Bunbury getting fixed,it spun a bearing in the right rear brakes.Should be ready friday morning.
The mechanic that came out to look at it before we sent it to get fixed was the one who did the pre-delivery on it,his last job as an apprentice.He couldnt belive how clean and new looking it still was,tells me I must really look after it.He isnt the first Westrac mechanic to compliment me of how I look after my grader;););););)
Our 12H had rubber steps too.
Andrew

Ahh good work mate good work on keeping it clean and thats the best way to do it if your the only operator of it then yeah it certainly makes it a bit easier to keep and eye on it and keep it clean!!

I was only referring to the fact all our graders are 24M and 16M haha and they all have hydraulic lifts on the side no ladders!

[chuck]

We built a John Deere facility a few years ago.

Any none John Deere earthmoving equipment had to have their brand name covered.

Have not done a job for Cat so don't know if the same applies.

Some brand rivalry there!!

[Chucaro]

In the JD/Ford/Farr dealer that was working we assembled tractors and JD 9530 combines.
Dealing with that company regarding the service training support for our mechanics was excellent.

[LandyAndy]

Are you doing the 500 hours service? it will take few hours to do it properly.
I just have a look the operators service manual of it and it is a typical Caterpillar and John Deere manual.
Bugger, I miss not being involved with the JD gear any more :(
For those curios about the M12 maintenance intervals the manual is HERE (https://safety.cat.com/cda/files/2452081/7/SEBU7469-03%20M.pdf)

We have Westrac service the machine every 250 hours whilst under warranty wich is 5 years/6000hours if I remember correctly.
Andrew

[Chucaro]

That is good Andrew, average, how many hour a months runs the machine?

[LandyAndy]

Chuckie
My current 12M is 2.5 years old,just done 2500hours.
CAT only recomend oil sampling at 250 hrs,we get it and the fuel/oil filters done.
Its repaired/serviced and ready to pick up in the morning.Hoping to get the new one next week.
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

Sad day today,I drove my old grader,Helga for the last time.Spent over 5000 hours steering her.
Last drive was up onto the float,she is off to Perth in the morning as the trade for my new CAT grader.Good news is the new CAT returns on the float:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::co ol::cool:
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Andrew

[LandyAndy]

Out with the old in with the new.I like naming my stuff,The Volvo was called Helga,my current 12M is called Pussey Galore.
Mick Marsh got naming rights to this one!!!
Meet Alotta Fagina.
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Only onloaded her and parked her up in the shed as Westrac havent officially delivered her yet.
Love the exhaust note,sounds stronger and feels much stronger than Pussey Galore.
Lots of improvements in the cab too.Looking forward to wearing the paint off the mullboard;););););););)
Andrew

[Chucaro]

Congrats for the new "office" :cool:

[LandyAndy]

Westrac Rep came to do the delivery today.He was so impressed with the condition on my 12M delivered in December 2011 he asked could I park them together for pics.Tells me he doesnt see many machines looked after so well.
Only had a little play on the newbie today,love the grunt,it will make a huge difference.
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Andrew

[nat_89]

There nice the machines!! We had a new 16M arrive a few weeks ago its goes good alright!!

[ramblingboy42]

its a credit to you mate....

[LandyAndy]

its a credit to you mate....

It helps being the sole operator of the machine.
I treat any machine Im in charge of as my own.I always get compliments on the way I treat my gear.
Andrew

[Sprint]

It helps being the sole operator of the machine.
I treat any machine Im in charge of as my own.I always get compliments on the way I treat my gear.
Andrew

all the best condition machinery I've seen has always been a case of one machine, 1 or 2 dedicated operators (2 where running more than one shift).... the most neglected, busted up gear has invariably been the crew hack...

[isuzurover]

It helps being the sole operator of the machine.
I treat any machine Im in charge of as my own.I always get compliments on the way I treat my gear.
Andrew

Not a typical council worker Andy - I see you have worn the paint off the blade... Must be working too hard :D

[Chucaro]

Not a typical council worker Andy - I see you have worn the paint off the blade... Must be working too hard :D

No believe on that he used the angle grader with a sanding disk to show the wear in the blade so he can seat and have a cupa more often :D

[BMKal]

No believe on that he used the angle grader with a sanding disk to show the wear in the blade so he can seat and have a cupa more often :D

I was standing leaning on the back of his work ute last Sunday. On the tray, there's an angle grinder with a wire brush - I assume set up for just this purpose. :p:p:p:p:p

[Chucaro]

The reason why the old one is in a that condition it is because the hours on the clock are not genuine. For sure he also have a cordless drill with a bit to adjust the hours on the clock to match the "polishing"in the blade. :D

PS: Some one will think that I have done it before :p but not I have never operated machines :)

[BMKal]

It's a good thing he doesn't operate a Dozer. ;)

That angle grinder would be worn out trying to keep up the shine on this one. :p:p:p:p

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/10/836.jpg

:wasntme:

[Chucaro]

It's a good thing he doesn't operate a Dozer. ;)

That angle grinder would be worn out trying to keep up the shine on this one. :p:p:p:p

.................................................. .....................
Andrew will be looking into that :D
I just wonder how he have managed to put wear in the tyres :confused:

[V8Ian]

The reason why the old one is in a that condition it is because the hours on the clock are not genuine. For sure he also have a cordless drill with a bit to adjust the hours on the clock to match the "polishing"in the blade. :D

PS: Some one will think that I have done it before :p but not I have never operated machines :)

The hour meters aren't mechanical Chucky, you need to increase the voltage to them. :angel:

[LandyAndy]

It's a good thing he doesn't operate a Dozer. ;)

That angle grinder would be worn out trying to keep up the shine on this one. :p:p:p:p

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/10/836.jpg

:wasntme:

When I finished the final trim on the new hockey pitch last week the mullboard on the old 12M was as shiny as that,the sand we used is fairly coarse;);););););)
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

The hour meters aren't mechanical Chucky, you need to increase the voltage to them. :angel:

Well done Chucky,you got Ian hook line and sinker:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
Andrew

[V8Ian]

Well done Chucky,you got Ian hook line and sinker:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
Andrew
How? :confused:

[LandyAndy]

How? :confused:
I didnt think it was possible,perhaps AWESOME truckies can sort thier log books and hour meters with a cordless drill;););););););)
Andrew

[Chucaro]

Well done Chucky,you got Ian hook line and sinker:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
Andrew


Without he realizing he disclosed his tricks :D

[LandyAndy]

Alotta Fagina clocked up a milestone today:):):):):):):)
Bloody good machine,the other 12M was good,this one is so much better.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/11/136.jpg (http://s113.photobucket.com/user/LandyAndy_2006/media/001_zps2c236fce.jpg.html)
Andrew

[nat_89]

Alotta Fagina clocked up a milestone today:):):):):):):)
Bloody good machine,the other 12M was good,this one is so much better.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/11/136.jpg (http://s113.photobucket.com/user/LandyAndy_2006/media/001_zps2c236fce.jpg.html)
Andrew

Have they done a mild update to them?

[donh54]

all the best condition machinery I've seen has always been a case of one machine, 1 or 2 dedicated operators (2 where running more than one shift).... the most neglected, busted up gear has invariably been the crew hack...

When I was running the float, we used to get a bit of work with hire machines - talk about flogged out gear!
One interesting one was a 16G, miles from nowhere, on my own. Had to load facing downhill. That's when I found out why it was going to the workshop -no brakes! :eek::eek: Amazing how quickly a big machine picks up speed!!!

Sent from my HTC One XL using AULRO mobile app

[LandyAndy]

Have they done a mild update to them?

Quite a few changes.12M now has the 140M motor and subframe,it fixes the lack of grunt in the earlier 12M.Accugrade is now intergrated in the machine and works better,easier to control.Auto diff lock,the cab is now dust and waterproof(the other has a Defender cab;)
;);););)),cab vents you can open when its not dusty,reversing camera(waste of time too far away from operator),power operated armrests on the chair.The machine is a couple of tonnes heavier which really helps get the power down and when pushing a full mullboard.Seems to be pretty good on fuel sofar,hard to compare as I have only been doing in town jobs that dont involve the machine working very hard.
Andrew

[nat_89]

Quite a few changes.12M now has the 140M motor and subframe,it fixes the lack of grunt in the earlier 12M.Accugrade is now intergrated in the machine and works better,easier to control.Auto diff lock,the cab is now dust and waterproof(the other has a Defender cab;)
;);););)),cab vents you can open when its not dusty,reversing camera(waste of time too far away from operator),power operated armrests on the chair.The machine is a couple of tonnes heavier which really helps get the power down and when pushing a full mullboard.Seems to be pretty good on fuel sofar,hard to compare as I have only been doing in town jobs that dont involve the machine working very hard.
Andrew

Ahh interesting good to see some nice changes we have the earlier model 16Ms and they are just so hopeless in the wet front doesn't want to go where you steer possibly needs more weight up there and the 24Ms are good but they are also early models so was keen to know of the changes. I know our D11T dozers the new ones we got not long ago have a few nice changes to and they also have ambient lighting in the cab just to give you some small but needed light.