SIII engine swap : For Ace

[langy]

Ace,
If you havn't already sussed out, swapping out the 2.25 6 cyl is a problem. I've been down this path, and had problems.( I actually have a half completed SIII with a v8 conversion in a shed).
Without cutting and welding the engine and gearbox mounts, and buying a new tunnel, your choices are:

Rover 3L from 1970's P4(P5?) sedan (ALmost straight swap)
Holden 186 red motor.( Bolt on mounts, gearbox adaptor,flywheel, bit of wiring)
Maybe a 6 cyl out of a triumph (untried-similar block) .

In order of popularity, the holden 186 wins. It bolts in, and just a littlle wiring and plumbing, and lasts forever. You can't wade as deep, but lasts forever.

When i investigated the 3l rover, it is a slightly more powerful engine, with overhead valves, and is almost the same engine block as the LR, but hard to find. (Sedans marked 2500 are 6's)

If you are really really serious, Land Vehicle Spares are doing a tdi swap on a SIII- the photos were here a couple a weeks ago.

But value for money, the holden six is tops. Marks adaptors in Vic used to make the kit.


Langy

[Hellspawn]

Realise what the subject is however this might be useful.

There's a few companies around that make the Holden motor adaptor kit for the series besides Marks.

Just remember if you do update to the toey holden, make sure the gearbox mounts are the diesel ones outherwise you'll tear apart them in a week.

[Phoenix]

Actually my brother spoke to marks not so long ago about a conversion kit, and they basically told him to shove off, they don;t do them any more 8O

However I do have an article in a LROI mag about putting the rover engine in, if you could find one it looks like an ideal swap.

[LRHybrid100]

Most common engine swap in the UK for Series vehiles these days are to the 2.0DSL motor from a Austin Montego / Maestro - 2.0 litre 4 cylinder TDI, powerful for 2.0, economical and cheap as chips - whole car for GBP300 (700 bucks!!!)

These motors were actually designed and built by Perkins.

LRH

[DEFENDERZOOK]

can you get them in oz?

[Phoenix]

which, the rover or the 2.0L montego engine??? THe rover can be found as mentioned before, not sure about the other one though, it was the basis for a mag atricle that I have somewhere as well.

[LRHybrid100]

Originally posted by LRHybrid100
Most common engine swap in the UK for Series vehiles these days are to the 2.0DSL motor from a Austin Montego / Maestro - 2.0 litre 4 cylinder TDI, powerful for 2.0, economical and cheap as chips - whole car for GBP300 (700 bucks!!!)

These motors were actually designed and built by Perkins.

LRH

Were not available on Aus - but think they were in NZ, so not a expensive excercise if they were.

But even saying that - I shipped a RR V8 motor and gearbox from the UK and it only added up to $1,000 in freight.

Yes this is a lot of freight, but the cost of the parts in the UK are MUCH cheaper.

I have seen advertised in the UK a full 2.0 TDI motor and fitting kit for Series 3 for around the GBP300 ($700) also.

Just an idea,

LRH

[Hellspawn]

Marks isn't interested.... :?.... the conversion is getting a bit old I guess, not a real demand anymore.

However back about 12 months ago, when I was contemplating dropping my landrover transmission off the nearest bridge due to the constant breakages, I called them up and both had adaptors for just about any gearbox/motor you'd care to lump under a vehicle in stock. Maybe if they stop supplying parts it might force us to update or maybe cost of production makes them unviable anymore.

200TDI would be another good conversion.

[OldDog]

Ace + Aces Dad - So whatcha doing with the old 2.6? And don't say dumping it somewhere on a moonless night style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif If it's still in one piece i may be interested in it. By the way if you end up considering a holden engine swap, i've got a rebuildable 186 sitting in the shed that may be of some use to you.
Later
Bill

[Ace]

Originally posted by OldDog
Ace + Aces Dad - So whatcha doing with the old 2.6? And don't say dumping it somewhere on a moonless night style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif If it's still in one piece i may be interested in it. By the way if you end up considering a holden engine swap, i've got a rebuildable 186 sitting in the shed that may be of some use to you.
Later
Bill

First of all thanks for all the help, I joined dad up the other day and told him to introduce himself- His user name is BigAce.

I havent really discussed what he wants to do yet, i only picked it up for him on tuesday. He looked willing to give the six a go, it has only done 74000miles, but has been sitting around a long time. We might have a crack at that before we get carried away with getting something else, if we do get something else i will let you know olddog, we can work something else. Matt

[OldDog]

No problem Ace style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif I can give you one good tip straight up with the 2.6, if it smokes then for sure it's the valve stem seals, apparently they always go and especially if they've been sitting.
Bill

[Ace]

Originally posted by OldDog
No problem Ace style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif I can give you one good tip straight up with the 2.6, if it smokes then for sure it's the valve stem seals, apparently they always go and especially if they've been sitting.
Bill

Thanks, so rebuilding the head is a must then? I might suggest this to dad, and we can try that before doing the whole engine. Or even better i will tell him to have a look for himself. Matt

[OldDog]

Nup no rebuilding required just the stem seals replaced seemed to work for mine, the old ones get hard and crack/wear away. I put in new ones and thye smoke cleared right up. Btw it's ridiculously easy to change 'em in place, let me know if you want the "OldDog Stem Seal Procedure" style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Ace]

Thanks Olddog, i was talking to him this evening (he is going to post an intro in the intro section tonight, i am going to show him how- look out for BigAce) and he likes the sound of the TDi transplant, after all the saving created by a far better fuel economy would pay for it in a couple of years as it will be his daily driver. I am going to start a new thread on this and see if anyone has done it. If this is the decided path we can work something out in regards the old 6 motor. Matt

[OldDog]

No problem Ace! The 300 tdi sounds like a good conversion for a daily driver, good luck with it 8)
Bill

[Kenyan]

Castlemaine Rod shop still make the Holden 6 conversion kits for Land Rover, cost about $800, but you get everything, including heavy flywheel. Stuff 'Marks adaptors', they went purely jap a while back.

Sean

[Land-lord]

Realise what the subject is however this might be useful.

There's a few companies around that make the Holden motor adaptor kit for the series besides Marks.

Just remember if you do update to the toey holden, make sure the gearbox mounts are the diesel ones outherwise you'll tear apart them in a week.

Hellspawn, diffenernce in diesle mounts version other ones?

How can I tell differnce?

[Blknight.aus]

easy mate the size and shape of em...

petrols are traditionally round and the diesels are square...(last time I bought them anyway)

although I prefer the mounts from the perentie gearboxes for the transmission when I can get em...

[Land-lord]

picis of all three types possibly?

[UncleHo]

G'day Land-lord:)

Diesel engine/gearbox mounts are available from the mob in Melbourne (www.landrovers.com.au (http://www.landrovers.com.au)) the part no is GR4 and in their last cattledog is listed at $16.50 ea plus p&p:) etc.


cheers

[Land-lord]

Where can i get the perenite mounts?

Now, we are talking gearbox mounts and not engine mounts - are we not?

[Land-lord]

THanks.

I assume we are talking gearbox mounts and not engine mounts?

Why are the diesel mounts considered better?

Where can i get the perenite mounts?

[Jimmy]

I'd love to see some pics of a TDi dropped in a Series3.... anyone??

Jimmy

[Blknight.aus]

pics as requested diesels are square petrols are round.
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and one of the diesel fitted correctly.
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Perentines gearbox mounts look the same as the petrol ones but are bigger.

They are pretty much interchangable in terms of fitting (ie can be easily swapped one for the other) but you should fit all of them the same (2 for the engine and 2 for the box) or at least the same on each component.

The diesel ones are considered better (by me) becuase they are easier to fit because of the shape of them and have the over hanging built in flange (good for grabiing with the 45 degree needlenosed pliers) so that if you seperate one it will stay inplace and stop you from hammering the mounts together (you can just make out some evidence of this occouring on the mount thats in the last pic.

The perentine mounts should be available from four wheel drives in melbourne or take one into almost any engine shop and say X of those please

[Jimmy]

pics as requested diesels are square petrols are round.
11611160
and one of the diesel fitted correctly.
1159

Perentines gearbox mounts look the same as the petrol ones but are bigger.

They are pretty much interchangable in terms of fitting (ie can be easily swapped one for the other) but you should fit all of them the same (2 for the engine and 2 for the box) or at least the same on each component.

The diesel ones are considered better (by me) becuase they are easier to fit because of the shape of them and have the over hanging built in flange (good for grabiing with the 45 degree needlenosed pliers) so that if you seperate one it will stay inplace and stop you from hammering the mounts together (you can just make out some evidence of this occouring on the mount thats in the last pic.

The perentine mounts should be available from four wheel drives in melbourne or take one into almost any engine shop and say X of those please

ok, they are the mounts, but have you any pics of the engine sitting in the bay. My plan is to drop a TDi into my Series3 ex-army. Would that fit ok?? (the car previously had the rover 6, now has a holden, but in the futrue a deisel..yeah)

cheers
Jimmy

[isuzurover]

If he wants a diesel, the 2.8L ISUZU 4JB1T (older rodeo/jackaroo) is a good conversion.

[Blknight.aus]

no pics of a tdi in a series although it sounds like it will be the way to go for kermit after this conversion is completed....

It should fit the basic block is the same size tho with the fruit added it is wider at the front and a bit longer....

So Id guess that the battery mount would need to be relocated and the radiator would be punched forwards... given your doing that much conversion relatively easy jobs

but I dont think for one second any sereis box or stock series rover diff would deal with that much grunt...

On second thoughts those things have got rubber band timing belts... I wont go that way...

[VladTepes]

I'd love to see some pics of a TDi dropped in a Series3.... anyone??

Jimmy

Ok then ppl here's a question.

If a 200Tdi can be dropped into a Series 3 then why can't a series 3 front end (grille, lights etc) be bolted onto a Defender ?

Answer - cause there's "stuff" back there that required the grille to be moved forward.

Someone else can elaborate on the 'stuff'

[JDNSW]

ok, they are the mounts, but have you any pics of the engine sitting in the bay. My plan is to drop a TDi into my Series3 ex-army. Would that fit ok?? (the car previously had the rover 6, now has a holden, but in the futrue a deisel..yeah)

cheers
Jimmy

The Tdi would probably fit in the Series 3 - I believe the 200 mounts are actually in the right place. The problem would be fitting in the turbo, intercooler and all the piping, but it could be done if you really want to. The problem comes when you put this power through the gearbox. This will certainly not stand up to it, although the transfer case might. The rear diff would be OK, but you would have to change the diff ratios (or transfer gearing)

I suggest that if you want to convert to diesel a smaller and less powerful diesel might be a good idea.

John

[Blknight.aus]

both the 200 + 300 will physically fit in a series rovers engine bay, but the fruit gets in the way so as previously posted you need to shift the radiator and some other stuff (battery/ air filter mounts) and then change the throttle linkage system.

the gearbox will trip you up though, ditto the tcase..

if you fit a constant 4x4 tcase you will need to put CV's in the front end.