They'd like to kill us

[Chucaro]

Islamic State: Militant group calls on supporters to kill Australians 'in any possible way' (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-22/islamic-state-calls-on-supporters-to-kill-australians/5761502)

Quote:
The Islamic State (IS) insurgency has called on supporters to kill soldiers and civilians in Australia, the US and Europe, in a speech by its spokesman.


And some people like to treat them in an humane way :confused:

[CraigE]

The problem is actually weeding out the extremists and militants.

[460cixy]

The problem is actually weeding out the extremists and militants.

No problems just eliminate them all just like they want to do to us .

[mikehzz]

Like that's worked for the last 2000 years? I thought only dumb arses try the same thing over and over and expect different results.

[nugge t]

talking to them for 2000 years doesn't appear to have worked either.


The people getting off very lightly in all this I would have thought is the other Muslim countries. Don't see them lining up to help. No doubt they will still accept any US assistance and aid but it isn't a big enough issue for them to rattle the can.

[Ean Austral]

I struggle with why we give them any airtime in the main stream media, If they want to post their babble on the net fine, leave it there for the people who want to look for it.


Keep it off the main stream TV and print media and don't give them the pleasure of it being broadcast to the everyday person.


Cheers Ean

[Ean Austral]

talking to them for 2000 years doesn't appear to have worked either.


The people getting off very lightly in all this I would have thought is the other Muslim countries. Don't see them lining up to help. No doubt they will still accept any US assistance and aid but it isn't a big enough issue for them to rattle the can.


Maybe Christine Milne has a role in their decision making. :wasntme:

Cheers Ean

[460cixy]

Like that's worked for the last 2000 years? I thought only dumb arses try the same thing over and over and expect different results.

Yup dumb ****** haven't managed to eliminate western society yet.

[vnx205]

I struggle with why we give them any airtime in the main stream media, If they want to post their babble on the net fine, leave it there for the people who want to look for it.


Keep it off the main stream TV and print media and don't give them the pleasure of it being broadcast to the everyday person.


Cheers Ean

Imagine the outcry if there was an incident and the Australian public learned that the government had some sort of prior warning and kept it quiet.

In Australia, we expect to be told what is going on.

However, I agree there is a problem. Terrorists want to disrupt our lives. Having us living in a state of fear certainly helps do that.

[p38arover]

I sometimes think our biggest mistake was letting Muslims immigrate to Oz. Aborigines probably think the same about the British.

[ramblingboy42]

well Ron, Morrison's plan is to allow another 4,000 to migrate here. Thats after he sends the one he doesn't like back , i.e. the asylum seekers who are already here.

I would like to know who establishes the selection criteria.

[rar110]

Islamic State: Militant group calls on supporters to kill Australians 'in any possible way' (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-22/islamic-state-calls-on-supporters-to-kill-australians/5761502) Quote: The Islamic State (IS) insurgency has called on supporters to kill soldiers and civilians in Australia, the US and Europe, in a speech by its spokesman. And some people like to treat them in an humane way :confused:

This seems to be the views of an extreme minority within their faith. They're equally happy to treat their fellow Muslims the same way if it suits them. I agree they shouldn't be given air time.

[mikehzz]

talking to them for 2000 years doesn't appear to have worked either

Exactly. We shouldn't be lining up to help either. The other Muslim countries know how to handle the situation in a Muslim way. Sticking our noses in trying to talk sense to the mentally ill just paints targets on us, costs a lot of money and kills a lot of our soldiers for no result. The only morally troubling point is we have an obligation from stuffing the place by invading in the first place. Ask the Iraqis if they would have preferred Saddam or the last ten years without him.
It is very plain to see that democracy isn't for a lot of the Middle East. That isn't an insult, just a fact. We shouldn't be forcing the issue and the barbaric acts that happen are their way and should be respected. Having outsider stranger know it alls coming in telling you what is right and what is wrong would get up anyone's nose, especially if they have their hand in your pocket.

PS Maybe we could distract their attention by telling them there is a budget emergency or something similar? We haven't tried it yet and it does work.

[nugge t]

well Ron, Morrison's plan is to allow another 4,000 to migrate here. Thats after he sends the one he doesn't like back , i.e. the asylum seekers who are already here.

I would like to know who establishes the selection criteria.



Actually his plan is to allow real refugees in, not self appointed ones...but of course it would still be the current Govt's fault.

[Ean Austral]

Imagine the outcry if there was an incident and the Australian public learned that the government had some sort of prior warning and kept it quiet.

In Australia, we expect to be told what is going on.

However, I agree there is a problem. Terrorists want to disrupt our lives. Having us living in a state of fear certainly helps do that.



Read some of the threads on this site about the feeling and thoughts of people when ASIO and the associated forces did act, some even think it was done to take the spotlight off the budget


Dammed if you do, Dammed if you don't. Personally I don't think we give them the pleasure of introducing fear into our everyday life by reading and hearing about it everytime you turn on the radio/TV or open a newspaper.


Cheers Ean

[nugge t]

the barbaric acts that happen are their way and should be respected..





You lost the civilized world about here. If you respect what they do.....best I don't go on .

[mikehzz]

That's the problem, you are trying to tell them right from wrong and they don't agree with you. Therefore the only resolution is to nuke the place. Having fundamental disagreement for 2000 years hasn't worked, nobody is blinking.

[nugge t]

so respecting their right to behead innocent people will fix it? I actually disagree more with you for suggesting that we should respect those acts.


They don't agree with our way of thinking so we should step out of the way. At what point do we (western world) react. Just before of after they nuke the place like they did in Lebanon.

[incisor]

from 1899





http://www.allaboutmuhammad.com/uploads/2/7/2/3/2723724/659860.jpg

[ Forenote: Sir Winston Churchill has been recognized as one of the greatest men of the late nineteenth and of the twentieth century. He was an extraordinary war leader to whom the Western World must be forever in debt. He was a prophet in his own time as this quotation, written well over 100 years ago, demonstrates.]



"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!
Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia
in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many
countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods
of commerce and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the
Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and
refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan
law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as
a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the
faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.


Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion
paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde
force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant
and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising
fearless warriors at every step, and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the
strong arms of science, the science against which it (Islam) has vainly struggled,
the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.”

[ramblingboy42]

It would be very interesting to see how Churchill would deal with the problem today.

I have a fair idea.

[bob10]

Whereas in the past, Middle Eastern countries have supported radicals with funds [ Al Qaida, Taliban etc] this time they are a little nervous. ISIS knows no borders , and have elected them selves as leaders of the Muslim world, a philosophy not accepted by any outside of ISIS. The UN has done good work in getting Middle Eastern Governments who supported radicals in the past with money, to declare they will not support ISIS. However, rich individuals in these countries are supporting ISIS with funds. They are the next to be convinced they must stop. One way , or the other. ISIS making threats against Australians is like the school bully, " If you go to the headmaster, I'll bash you ". It's a sign of desperation. I say, let the pay back take it's course, it will take time, but it will happen


Australia will not be breaking international law if we attack targets in Iraq, Iraq has requested us to help. We should not fight in Syria, until the legal side of it has been sorted. Australia has to be seen to be above board, in all we do over there. This will be the greatest test of Australian / Muslim relations in this country. Interesting times ahead. Hopefully we will come through this a stronger, united community. Bob

[460cixy]

That's the problem, you are trying to tell them right from wrong and they don't agree with you. Therefore the only resolution is to nuke the place. Having fundamental disagreement for 2000 years hasn't worked, nobody is blinking.

I agree drop the bomb kill am all turn the sand to glass job done :twisted:

[Chucaro]

One thing that bothers me about the proposed anti-terrorism laws is why they are reassuring us that the new laws will help to stop terrorism activities when the authorities are not capable to control those active terrorists that are in the Goulburn "high security"jail :mad:

Quote from the article:

Despite being given the strictest level of inmate classification, the AA classification introduced in 2008 especially for terrorists, convicts including Mohammed Elomar, Mazen Touma and Faheem Lodhi are free to communicate with the outside world through *letters, phone calls and visits.
Previously unseen pictures of the terrorists’ jail *conditions show they have televisions, natural light and spacious cells.

As long as we give these people rights we have no hope :mad:
Cell block terror: Jailed terrorists continue jihadi activities from inside Goulburn Supermax
(http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/cell-block-terror-jailed-terrorists-continue-jihadi-activities-from-inside-goulburn-supermax/story-fni0cx12-1227065056890)

[olbod]

We must remember that we live in fear and intimidated by the threat of violence and bloodshed here at home.
We must accept that and be calm and submissive.
We must not think that it works both ways and put the shoe on the other foot. That we are told is not the Australian way.

Personally I would like to see thousands of bones dug up and pointed the other way,
Let the scum know that they risk bringing down the roof upon their heads.
It does not have to be a violent beginning, just take our lead from them.
Thret and intimidation works both ways but at the first sign the protectors would go all out to defend and keep them safe.
When we start dying on our streets, remember The Australian Way.

[korg20000bc]

I agree drop the bomb kill am all turn the sand to glass job done :twisted:
Nup.
There are other peoples and cultural groups in the Middle East who you would be destroying along with the ones that you want to get rid of. These groups have no antipathy to our way of life except where our governments interfere and meddle to secure influence and trade.

Western governments need to be looking after their own and their people's interests- no one else is going to.

[nugge t]

One thing that bothers me about the proposed anti-terrorism laws is why they are reassuring us that the new laws will help to stop terrorism activities when the authorities are not capable to control those active terrorists that are in the Goulburn "high security"jail :mad:

Quote from the article:

Despite being given the strictest level of inmate classification, the AA classification introduced in 2008 especially for terrorists, convicts including Mohammed Elomar, Mazen Touma and Faheem Lodhi are free to communicate with the outside world through *letters, phone calls and visits.
Previously unseen pictures of the terrorists’ jail *conditions show they have televisions, natural light and spacious cells.

As long as we give these people rights we have no hope :mad:
Cell block terror: Jailed terrorists continue jihadi activities from inside Goulburn Supermax
(http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/cell-block-terror-jailed-terrorists-continue-jihadi-activities-from-inside-goulburn-supermax/story-fni0cx12-1227065056890)



Sadly it is the same "rights" that many on here are so worried about affecting which enables what you are complaining about to happen.


If there were not afforded the same rights as other prisoners then many on here would be screaming from that roof tops that Australia is abusing their rights. Hell they would probably get Govt legal counsel and threaten to sew up their lips and such.

[Greatsouthernland]

Firstly, I don't pretend to have the answers, as some groups do ;)

Unfortunately they (extreme muslims/moslems ) are winning, as the root of their belief still exists as a religion here. Their own religion can’t control them because it is scared of them, so they have won that front.

Our government and our society still allows their formulating religion and quran to be given the privileged status of a religion and the tax haven this brings, furthering the recruiting opportunity and radicalisation we see increasing.

We are becoming more of a police state with such increasing funding causing a drain on our economy and eventually a further decline in social conditions as other priorities such as health, education and infrastructure become less important than our ‘safety’ from muslim terrorists. Hence they’ve won as we have chosen to recognise their challenge to our way of life and engage in their battle to destroy or convert all infidels.

So, if anyone thinks that eventually we will overcome them, look at Israel and all of their efforts – compulsory military service, walls of defence, civilians armed with automatic rifles etc…. and they still get blown up by rockets and suicide bombers. Given this, I’d like to know how we can allow the muslim religion to be accepted, any religion that develops this type of ideology justifying killing innocent people should be outlawed, if we can create a law preventing bikies associating, why not do the same with muslims.

Finally I know that some will say that there are good ones that do great things, well sadly it’s a case of make a decision now to allow it to continue and get worse, or send the message that they’ve used all their chances and enough is enough, its banned and all who ignore the ban are dealt with according to our law. Either way, a police state is a change from our peaceful and relaxed past but so is a state of fear, there’s two ways to react, one of them ends the cause and the other creates a tolerance to the continuous threats and rewards them by sustaining the formulating ideology.

To be fair, I’d be happy to see all religions reviewed in a referendum or similar and certain limitations proposed on tax free property and income for them, this must be a drain on government revenue, accepting that some charity emerges from them, but the economy and management of such is questionable IMHO.

Any complaints, then read my disclaimer…


edit- Not suggesting anymore violence or killing, or ethnic cleansing, just a rational approach to meet the threats by peacefuly reviewing our nation's acceptability of the religious ideology that gave birth to the jihadist philosophy and actions.

[Chucaro]

Seems to me that more than one country have enough for start bombarding ISIS positions in Syria.

US begins bombing ISIL positions in Syria (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/09/us-begins-bombing-isil-positions-syria-201492313622252650.html)

[CraigE]

Not sure of some of the comments here to be honest. Killing them all is not an answer in itself, Do we mean the extremists or all Muslims? Most are OK, I have a lot of Muslim friends and they certainly wish me no harm. The extremists on the other hand I have no time for and agree they do need to be eliminated.
Having said that the Muslim religion is not on its own and a lot of Christians require the same. So much blood has been shed in the name of Christianity over the years and continues to occur.
The thing that does amaze me if you look at it from a non religious view point is all religions are very similar, but we cannot get along. If we truly all believe in our religions we would believe in peace, not domination of our religion at any cost. But having said that religion is also used as an excuse by governments and dictators alike to further their own cause and commit atrocities.
On the basis of beliefs do we eliminate all Muslims, Chinese, Japanese, Indonesian, Indian, Hindu, other Christian opposing views?

Watch out ASIO may be monitoring.:angel:

[mikehzz]

so respecting their right to behead innocent people will fix it? I actually disagree more with you for suggesting that we should respect those acts.


They don't agree with our way of thinking so we should step out of the way. At what point do we (western world) react. Just before of after they nuke the place like they did in Lebanon.

Fine, have another war over it. It would be a shame to let them sort it out themselves. You aren't worth arguing with if you twist a comment about respecting a whole race/religion into the sum total of respecting acts of beheading. You may as well say all Muslims behead people. I'm saying we butt out and let them sort it out instead of being unwanted, overbearing, intrusive arseholes. We (the West) have a long history of that.

[Greatsouthernland]

...

Watch out :ninja: ASIO IS monitoring :eek: :o :cool:

Fixed that bit for you Craig :D

[Chucaro]

Craig, who said to kill the Muslims?
Muslims are good people, I have good friends muslims and love peace.
People talk about eliminate the terrorists but the mean by the authorities. No one suggest to become a vigilante.......I hope.

[nugge t]

Fine, have another war over it. It would be a shame to let them sort it out themselves. You aren't worth arguing with if you twist a comment about respecting a whole race/religion into the sum total of respecting acts of beheading. You may as well say all Muslims behead people. I'm saying we butt out and let them sort it out instead of being unwanted, overbearing, intrusive arseholes. We (the West) have a long history of that.



What you said was very clear..


"We shouldn't be forcing the issue and the barbaric acts that happen are their way and should be respected."


If you want to respect their barbaric ways, go right ahead but don't claim I have twisted your words.


As I have posted elsewhere, I look forward to the USA retreating into it's own borders and leaving the world to sort it all out without them..many are so intent on blaming them for every ill of the world.....maybe China, Russia or Saudi with all their oil money, might dip into their public coffers for a change.

[korg20000bc]

As I have posted elsewhere, I look forward to the USA retreating into it's own borders and leaving the world to sort it all out without them..many are so intent on blaming them for every ill of the world.....maybe China, Russia or Saudi with all their oil money, might dip into their public coffers for a change.

A horrible situation for Australia. The US's naval power is, basically, what keeps the sea lanes open for us to move our raw materials to customers around the globe. Our prosperity is linked to US military might. There are countries that will swoop on us once that aegis is removed.

[nugge t]

It would be a terrible end rest but I just get so sick and tired and hearing bleeding hearts go on about how bad the western world and the US in particular is, that I would not blame them for a second if they took their ball, went home and told the world to sort it out themselves.

[2stroke]

I think the best outcome is if Australian muslims take a stand against this militancy before any terrorist acts are perpetrated in Australia and the inevitable knee jerk reaction follows and innocent muslims are targeted. Hence radicalizing more of them As it stands the average "aussie muslim" probably has more to fear from these fundamentalists than the rest of us. Start attacking innocent muslims and see what the 250 million or so neighbours have to say about it then there's malasia right there too.

[THE BOOGER]

I can only find 2 areas of Christian violence happening today(there may be small wars that don't make the media) 1 is the LRA in the CAR the French are currently hunting and fighting them as are the US rewards have been posted for the capture or death of its leader Joseph Kony and the second is also in the CAR where a Muslim minority took power and then lost it as Christian groups fought back they are now taking revenge as is the African way but again both African union and French troops are on the ground trying to stop the violence . that is just has not been seen with Muslim violence until the IS started getting so big. The last really big war that used Christianity as one of its justifications was WW11 and I think most the combatants were Christian against Christian . I hope Christians have learnt from the past but it seem Muslims haven't yet. So why keep saying Christians (and jews) have a lot to answer for?

Not saying we should forget the past but learn from it:)

[Greatsouthernland]

As I have posted elsewhere, I look forward to the USA retreating into it's own borders and leaving the world to sort it all out without them..many are so intent on blaming them for every ill of the world......

Hi Nugget,

I understand your point. However the USA is all about the USA first second and third, I don't think they are in any part of the world for someone else's gain, unless it is SECOND to their own.

Just my observation as they seem to act on their own even when consulting the UN results in a vote against the action. Hence the term "coalition of the willing" - willing to do what the USA wants :D . But as I've said before, I'm glad it's them and not the Japanese :o but I wish they would stop stirring up the Chinese and including us in their regional 'posturing'.

But as said, I understand your point :D and it's a fair comment.;)

Edit: China has their own terrorist muslim problem, uegars or something, I like the way they handle it, allow a certain number of religions and reserve the right to ban any and all if they make trouble :) sometimes democracy is a bit soft, and dont tell me China's communism is as brutal as the original form...at least criminals are dealt with.

[korg20000bc]

I can only find 2 areas of Christian violence happening today(there may be small wars that don't make the media) 1 is the LRA in the CAR the French are currently hunting and fighting them as are the US rewards have been posted for the capture or death of its leader Joseph Kony and the second is also in the CAR where a Muslim minority took power and then lost it as Christian groups fought back they are now taking revenge as is the African way but again both African union and French troops are on the ground trying to stop the violence . that is just has not been seen with Muslim violence until the IS started getting so big. The last really big war that used Christianity as one of its justifications was WW11 and I think most the combatants were Christian against Christian . I hope Christians have learnt from the past but it seem Muslims haven't yet. So why keep saying Christians (and jews) have a lot to answer for?

Not saying we should forget the past but learn from it:)

Of course, WWII wasn't a Christian vs Christian struggle- it was a Nationalist aggressor and their allies vs nearly everyone else. Politicians will always attempt to use the religious beliefs of their populations to secure support for whatever they want, or don't want, them to do.

The thing is that Islam is a political AND religious power that has clear goals.


Islam Explained in Layman’s Terms
Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.
Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.
Islamization begin when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.
When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.

Here’s how it works:
As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:
United States Muslim 0.6%
Australia Muslim 1.5%
Canada Muslim 1.9%
China Muslim 1.8%
Italy Muslim 1.5%
Norway Muslim 1.8%

At 2% to 5%,
they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:
Denmark Muslim 2%
Germany Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom Muslim 2.7%
Spain Muslim 4%
Thailand Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the
population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims.. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:
France Muslim 8%
Philippines 5%
Sweden Muslim 5%
Switzerland Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago Mus
lim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car-*burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections in:
Guyana Muslim 10%
India Muslim 13.4%
Israel Muslim 16%
Kenya Muslim 10%
Russia Muslim 15%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-*trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
Ethiopia Muslim 32.8%

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militiawarfare, such as in:
Bosnia Muslim 40%
Chad Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non‐conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:
Albania Muslim 70%
Malaysia Muslim 60.4%
Qatar Muslim 77..5%
Sudan Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-*run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-*going in:
Bangladesh Muslim 83%
Egypt Muslim 90%
Gaza Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia Muslim 86.1%
Iran Muslim 98%
Iraq Muslim 97%
Jordan Muslim 92%
Morocco Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan Muslim 97%
Palestine Muslim 99%
Syria Muslim 90%
Tajikistan Muslim 90%
Turkey Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates Muslim 96%

100%
will usher in the peace of Dar-*es-*Salaamthe Islamic House of Peace. Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:
Afghanistan Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia Muslim 100%
Somalia Muslim 100%
Yemen Muslim 100%
Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these
100%
states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non Muslim religious facilities.

In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses(Muslim private schools). They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.
Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22%of the world’s population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world’s population by the end of this century.

[Chucaro]

It appears to me that some people believe than only have planes and the France, Italy, Germany, England, Russia, China, etc only have bow and arrows to fight :p

[Chucaro]

Hi Nugget,

I understand your point. However the USA is all about the USA first second and third, I don't think they are in any part of the world for someone else's gain, unless it is SECOND to their own.

.................................................. .........................................

Nah, USA can stay at home and do not give a dam if ISIS and Co invade South Arabia and other suppliers of fuel to USA :p

[nugge t]

Hi Nugget,

I understand your point. However the USA is all about the USA first second and third, I don't think they are in any part of the world for someone else's gain, unless it is SECOND to their own.

Just my observation as they seem to act on their own even when consulting the UN results in a vote against the action. Hence the term "coalition of the willing" - willing to do what the USA wants :D . But as I've said before, I'm glad it's them and not the Japanese :o but I wish they would stop stirring up the Chinese and including us in their regional 'posturing'.

But as said, I understand your point :D and it's a fair comment.;)



Fair call but the same would apply to any country. You reckon China or Russia do things for other peoples benefit and not their own. I don't see the Arab countries lining up fight extremists or to do the heavy lifting fighting Ebola in Africa ( I am not sure what the US's gain is but apparently they wouldn't be there if there wasn't one)... it is not JUST the US. I don't agree with everything the do/have done but at least they do something.


A very minor example but, some years ago I was dealing in Zimbabwe who received "China Aid $". It applied as long as it was spent on the appropriate goods....made in China. Not sure if traditionally we put that sort of caveat on our Aid $'s

[Chucaro]

Iran Didn’t Create ISIS; We Did
Instead of shifting blame for ISIS’s rise, the West and its allies should look in the mirror. (http://thediplomat.com/2014/08/iran-didnt-create-isis-we-did/)

Quote:
The U.S., Western Europe, and their regional allies in fact bear most of the responsibility for the rise of extremist groups like ISIS. The U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003, which Britain notably supported, was a strategic disaster. Contrary to speculation at the time, Saddam Hussein’s secular Ba’athist regime prevented Al Qaeda from operating out of Iraq. Iraq had also been supported by the West before the 1991 Gulf War as a counterbalance against the revolutionary Islamic Republic during the Iran-Iraq War. The U.S.-led invasion changed all of that. End of Quote

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[Ralph1Malph]

My thoughts only when considering what could be done with Australian 'bred' terrorist jihad-is is to apply a similar and constant level of force of the same type they are applying.

Harsh indeed but my thought bubble view is that the families of the jihad-is should be rounded up and via all available media, get the message out that unless the home grown jihad-is cease, desist, renounce violence and return home to face prosecution, their family and loved ones will be 'disappeared', one by one until their entire lineage is removed.

Now I know that this will never happen, nor should it but we must, absolutely must fight fire with fire. The do nothing option is not an option. A more palatable course may be 're-education' through non violent means. Similar to wayward youth camps or 'interventions'.

That said, a previous poster suggested 'microwave' therapy. I'd like to explore this method also but not for the obvious reason. I liken it to the monkey analogy: Five Monkeys in a Cage. | Gikuyu Architecture (http://mukuyu.wordpress.com/reflections/kenyan-monkeys/). After the first 'microwave' therapy session the peoples of the middle east will police themselves in order to avoid being 'microwaved'. I believe there is precedent - Japan has been a model global citizen since 1945!

Disclaimer
Just my thoughts, my thoughts only.
Shared to stimulate discussion and debate.
Don't be hatin' on me!

Ralph

[Ralph1Malph]

After my last post I thought about some non violent 'people power' methods we could use to re-enforce our unique Aussie culture and bolster our heritage.
Some more thoughts.
We could prefer restaurants where the food is not 'halal'.
Support shops whose signs are in English.

Non violent people power stuff, passive resistance much like Mr Ghandi!:D

Again, same disclaimer as above.
Don't be hatin' on me

Cheers
Ralph

[Blknight.aus]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/09/499.jpg

What's duke nukems tag line.

"kill em all, let god sort em out"

Works for me.

[UncleHo]

Ooh! Blknight, Love it :D

[Disco Muppet]

Apologies if this has been posted before.
I'm normally fairly left, however I can accept that there's an issue with the 'moderate majority' not condemning the extremist minority.
A video that nicely demonstrates this...

Muslim Student Challenges Jewish Professor, He Shuts Her Up On The Spot (http://qpolitical.com/muslim-student-challenges-jewish-professor-shuts-spot/)

[THE BOOGER]

If you get the chance to see and hear a "moderate" Imam it is amazing how quiet they speak and smile while pushing for all Jews to be wiped from the face of the earth and infidels(us) to be forced to convert or be killed. if you only listen to their tone you will miss just how barbaric their message is.:(
Nothing at all like a hell and brim fire evangelical preacher:D

if the girl in the video had not been put on the spot most people would call her moderate and reasonable

[Greatsouthernland]

Apologies if this has been posted before.
I'm normally fairly left, however I can accept that there's an issue with the 'moderate majority' not condemning the extremist minority.
A video that nicely demonstrates this...

Muslim Student Challenges Jewish Professor, He Shuts Her Up On The Spot (http://qpolitical.com/muslim-student-challenges-jewish-professor-shuts-spot/)

Wow, that was interesting! I wonder if she was arrested after that was seen by the feds - as it appears this was in America :o but then I'm confused about what law applies as she said she would be putting herself in trouble with the law if she admitted her support for terrorists.


No offence to any non political know it all uni students :D carry on :cool:

[Disco Muppet]

I think she was making a comment about US policing biases towards Muslims.
I'm all for freedom of religion. However I'm also for freedom from religion if you so desire it. I've met moderate Muslims. I've met moderate Christians. And I've met utter ******* on both sides.

[Chucaro]

Australians preparing to fight overseas could face life imprisonment
(http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/23/australians-travelling-to-fight-in-no-go-zones-could-face-life-imprisonment)
The federal government has released the detail of its foreign fighters bill which aims to prevent citizens travelling to Iraq and Syria and joining Islamic State fighters
The bill seeks to repeal the current regime of laws used to prosecute people in favour of a far more punishing act that creates four offences that carry penalties of life imprisonment.

The four offences where people face life sentences are:

• making an incursion into a foreign country with the intent of engaging in hostile activities.

• Preparing for incursions into foreign countries for the purpose of engaging in hostile activities.

• Giving or receiving goods and services to promote the commission of an offence.
I just wonder if this includes the inmates in prison for terrorism and the ones that work as couriers for them
• Allowing use of buildings, vessels or aircraft to commit a foreign incursions offence.

[korg20000bc]

I think she was making a comment about US policing biases towards Muslims.
I'm all for freedom of religion. However I'm also for freedom from religion if you so desire it. I've met moderate Muslims. I've met moderate Christians. And I've met utter ******* on both sides.

Both sides?
It's not Muslim vs Christian at all.
It's Islam vs whoever isn't. And it needn't be a religion either.
Communist China is having its own struggles with the spread of Islam too.

Islam is never cool with your way of life if you aren't a Muslim.
Heaps of wonderful people are Muslims, though.

[Greatsouthernland]

Both sides?
It's not Muslim vs Christian at all.
It's Islam vs whoever isn't. And it needn't be a religion either.
Communist China is having its own struggles with the spread of Islam too.

Islam is never cool with your way of life if you aren't a Muslim.
Heaps of wonderful people are Muslims, though.

Totally agree with you.

And those heaps of wonderful people would STILL be wonderful if they weren't muslim. The religion does nothing to make them wonderful. ;)

[Sprint]

only an idiot thinks they can settle this problem with diplomacy.

diplomacy only works for people who are willing to listen, and fanatics arent interested.

the problem is, the difference between a religious fanatic and a political fanatic is that the political nutcase knows that if he dies, his cause dies with him.

to resolve the current problem, you either need to remove the problem (keep shooting till theyre gone) or you need to remove thier support, either way, the western world has to step up to the plate and be a bigger bunch of bastards than ISIS/ISIL

but..... the bleating heart crowd will always cry foul.... till one of the ragheads slits thier throats....

[Disco Muppet]

Both sides?
It's not Muslim vs Christian at all.
It's Islam vs whoever isn't. And it needn't be a religion either.
Communist China is having its own struggles with the spread of Islam too.

Islam is never cool with your way of life if you aren't a Muslim.
Heaps of wonderful people are Muslims, though.

By both sides I mean that my experiences with religious individuals have either been Christian, Muslim, or some very minor exposure to Judaism.

[korg20000bc]

only an idiot thinks they can settle this problem with diplomacy.

diplomacy only works for people who are willing to listen, and fanatics arent interested.

the problem is, the difference between a religious fanatic and a political fanatic is that the political nutcase knows that if he dies, his cause dies with him.

to resolve the current problem, you either need to remove the problem (keep shooting till theyre gone) or you need to remove thier support, either way, the western world has to step up to the plate and be a bigger bunch of bastards than ISIS/ISIL

but..... the bleating heart crowd will always cry foul.... till one of the ragheads slits thier throats....
Hmm...
The thing that concerns me is when we have a Islamic terror event here in Australia, there is bound to be a backlash against the Muslim community here. Blameless people are sure to be hurt. This creates more division and more local Muslims are radicalised, creating more terror events.

Where does that lead? Can a whole cultural group be removed from the community? People will say "send 'em back to where they came from" but we have a home-grown Muslim population whose home country is Australia.

This is the main failure of multiculturalism in my opinion. It HAS to end with a culture being dominant. Which culture has the will to do it?

I read a quote once, can't remember who said it but it ran something like...

Multiculturalism was invented by western intelligencia not because they valued other cultures but because they despised their own.

[Sprint]

It HAS to end with a culture being dominant. Which culture has the will to do it?
You mean what culture has the balls to do what needs to be done, however repulsive, beastly and murderous to survive?

That being the case, Australia as we've known and enjoyed is doomed.

[akula]

Disclaimer: I promise no rants will be forthcoming!


Here's another point of view (and focus) re this topic from Glenn Greenwald - the journalist involved with the publishing of the Snowden NSA leaks. Like Glenn I am more concerned about factors other than ostensible terrorist threats.

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/09/22/australias-prime-minister-gives-master-class-exploiting-terrorism-fears-seize-new-powers/
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[brettphillips43]

Who's living in fear?. I mean for Smegs sake guys. If you see something WRONG, bloody well deal with it. You do NOT need the governments approval to do so. Its our God given right. Read my t-shirt." Australian Infidel". I was not brought up to cower. Once a doldier, allways a soldier.

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[olbod]

Stop all moslem immigration into this country immediatly untill further notice
Over time the scum will come to the surface and be dealt with.

New laws.
Anyone convicted of a terrorist act or being a suspected terrorist will serve their sentence and then be deported along with all their family on the grounds that they were harbouring a convicted terrorist.
If the scum was born here no matter, he will go with the family to their origin.
If suni they will be dumped into a sheite location or vice versa.
No if's or buts.

If a bali type bomb attack occurs here it means that the law failed to protect us. Not just by preventing the attack but also by not introducing severe laws to deal with those suspected of terrorist plotting or sympathy.
We are at war with terrorism and those that hate us.
Moderate Moslems are caught up in this war like the rest of us and they should want the matter sorted so as to get on with their and our lives peacefully.
Moslems have a code of family honor and demand an eye for an eye.
Good policy.
As Australians we are all a Family.
Therefore if we are attacked at random.
An eye for an eye.
Everybody aware of the rules.
Where will it end you might ask, well, when the dickheads are deleted and I suspect very few moderate Moslems will be affected when the dust settles and we are all assimilated into our culture and way off life with religeous beliefs intact.
Wont happen though as it's not the Australian way.
So advice to all of us, stay calm and submissive.
Opposition to this approach to the war would indicate to my mind that THE WAy within the police state has worked.

Well anyway.

[Chucaro]

I just wonder what the Chinese will do if they were in our position :angel:

[101RRS]

Stop all moslem immigration into this country immediatly untill further notice
Over time the scum will come to the surface and be dealt with.

New laws.
Anyone convicted of a terrorist act or being a suspected terrorist will serve their sentence and then be deported along with all their family on the grounds that they were harbouring a convicted terrorist.
If the scum was born here no matter, he will go with the family to their origin.


Where will they be deported too??? They are Aussies and the majority of countries will not take them - even Islamic Countries. Without citizenship of the country they are being sent too or entry documents they will not be allowed off the aircraft.

You need to think this through a bit more. Get some pointers from Alan Jones or Johnny Laws.

[Chucaro]

Perhaps Garry and I am not sure, the only possibility if they have double citizenship.
Alan Jones or Laws inputs are not necessary for some, there are orange life boats as well :(

[Eevo]

I just wonder what the Chinese will do if they were in our position :angel:

what terrorist? no terrorist here.

[Ancient Mariner]

Where will they be deported too??? They are Aussies and the majority of countries will not take them - even Islamic Countries. Without citizenship of the country they are being sent too or entry documents they will not be allowed off the aircraft.

You need to think this through a bit more. Get some pointers from Alan Jones or Johnny Laws.
500" over the Southern ocean they wont need an entry document:D:twisted:

[Tank]

That's the problem, you are trying to tell them right from wrong and they don't agree with you. Therefore the only resolution is to nuke the place. Having fundamental disagreement for 2000 years hasn't worked, nobody is blinking.
First agreeable statement you have made,
Quote: "Therefore the only resolution is to nuke the place."
Regards Frank.

[Chucaro]

Nuke the place it is like shoot your own foot, the environment will be permanent damaged, a punishment for ll of us and the generations to come.

[olbod]

[QUOTE=garrycol;2232089]Where will they be deported too??? They are Aussies and the majority of countries will not take them - even Islamic Countries. Without citizenship of the country they are being sent too or entry documents they will not be allowed off the aircraft.

Simple answer to that would be to jail those convicted for life without parole
but still deport the family anyway or if they were born here too, ten years jail.
A strong deterrent anyway you look at it.
Or we could send them to China so that they could use them in their road gangs or salt mines.:p
The serious threat will increase without drastic measures taken but I dont think we have the will or nerve to attack it.

But nothing much will happen to make this a safe place free from terrorist threats.
If we are attacked the pollies will rush in the Police, Army, and ask for NZ asistance to keep the Moslems safe.
Cronulla was terrible eh, the way we behaved and my word, definatley not the Australian way. The shame of it.
Sent a message and kept them quite for a while tho didn't it.

But what do I care, **** wont hqappen to me, we all know it happens to the other guy, eh.

[Tank]

We are at War with these supposed religious fanatics, we have our Army, Navy and Air force deployed OS fighting these bastards, they are in harm's way.
During the First World War and again in the Second World War the enemy we were fighting OS had non-combatants living here, they were declared "Enemy Aliens" and Interred for the duration of the war. Do it again, NOW, Regards Frank.

[Chucaro]

We are at War with these supposed religious fanatics, we have our Army, Navy and Air force deployed OS fighting these bastards, they are in harm's way.
During the First World War and again in the Second World War the enemy we were fighting OS had non-combatants living here, they were declared "Enemy Aliens" and Interred for the duration of the war. Do it again, NOW, Regards Frank.

Frank, just curios, was that a temporary law or still be able to enforce?

[olbod]

The views expressed here in these posts and threads indicate that the majority want drastic measures taken to deal with Moslem ******* in this country.
I suspect that all we will achieve is to strengthen the pollies and bleeding hearts resolve to keep a lid on us in an endeavor to keep the Moslems safe and free from the threat of harm or reprisal.
They appear to be the chosen ones.
I suspect that the law makers and enforcers live in real fear thinking that they might be on a terrorist hit list.
Serves them bloody right.
An eye for an eye.
I expect that in the long run it will be up to the True Blue's to enforce the safety of our way of life.

Over and out.

[steane]

[QUOTE=garrycol;2232089]Where will they be deported too??? They are Aussies and the majority of countries will not take them - even Islamic Countries. Without citizenship of the country they are being sent too or entry documents they will not be allowed off the aircraft.

Simple answer to that would be to jail those convicted for life without parole
but still deport the family anyway or if they were born here too, ten years jail.
A strong deterrent anyway you look at it.
Or we could send them to China so that they could use them in their road gangs or salt mines.:p
The serious threat will increase without drastic measures taken but I dont think we have the will or nerve to attack it.

But nothing much will happen to make this a safe place free from terrorist threats.
If we are attacked the pollies will rush in the Police, Army, and ask for NZ asistance to keep the Moslems safe.
Cronulla was terrible eh, the way we behaved and my word, definatley not the Australian way. The shame of it.
Sent a message and kept them quite for a while tho didn't it.

But what do I care, **** wont hqappen to me, we all know it happens to the other guy, eh.

These ISIS clowns are actually good for us in one way. They are shaking the average aussie up and attitudes will harden very quickly. We could have sat around for years with blinkers on thinking all will be well (and that is the path we were heading down) but I don't think that will happen now.

If there was actually a beheading of an Aussie on an Australian street I think it would be all but impossible to stop a complete about face in attitudes. All muslims would be on the outer and looking for the next boat out.

We might have been snoozing for decades but the sleep is coming to an end.

[Tank]

Frank, just curios, was that a temporary law or still be able to enforce?
Sorry mate I have no idea whether this is still a current law, but it should apply, Regards Frank.

[korg20000bc]

The views expressed here in these posts and threads indicate that the majority want drastic measures taken to deal with Moslem ******* in this country.
I suspect that all we will achieve is to strengthen the pollies and bleeding hearts resolve to keep a lid on us in an endeavor to keep the Moslems safe and free from the threat of harm or reprisal.
They appear to be the chosen ones.
I suspect that the law makers and enforcers live in real fear thinking that they might be on a terrorist hit list.
Serves them bloody right.
An eye for an eye.
I expect that in the long run it will be up to the True Blue's to enforce the safety of our way of life.

Over and out.
Moslem *******?
Is it the issue of masturbation or Islam that bothers you. Or, when the two factors are united do they sorta power-up like a Super Saiyan?

[wrinklearthur]

Moslem *******?
Is it the issue of masturbation or Islam that bothers you. Or, when the two factors are united do they sorta power-up like a Super Saiyan?

What bothers me is people that get games characters mixed up with reality.
.

[Alex 110]

Like that's worked for the last 2000 years? I thought only dumb arses try the same thing over and over and expect different results.

Thats Einsteins definition of insanity.

FYI islams only been around for about 1400 years...


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[olbod]

Moslem *******?
Is it the issue of masturbation or Islam that bothers you. Or, when the two factors are united do they sorta power-up like a Super Saiyan?

Chose my words badly didn't I.
I dont have a problem with Moslems or Islam on the whole.
Live and let live.
But there are ******* within the Moslem community that dont see it that way. They are called terrorist or terrorist sympathisers.
They are the ones I would like to see weeded out and dealt with.
If you cant deal with that, Stiff.

If you want this to become personal, let me say that I could only be bitten by someone that I respect.
Guess what !!!

[Eevo]

FYI islams only been around for about 1400 years...



actually its been around since the days of abraham.
which is around 2000bc

[Chucaro]

IMHO we cannot categorize the extremists and terrorists groups as Muslims.
The Muslims saying loud and clear that what these groups are doing and promoting does not have nothing to do with the Muslim beliefs or are in the Koran for that matter.
If we keep blaming the Muslim instead of these groups we will create a big division in our society including violence and civilian unrest.
The winners will be these groups of extremists including the Nazi-Fascists Australian groups that saying that they will bomb the Mosques.
We have to be very careful to not allow that one or two thousand low life people in Australia ruin our way of life.

[korg20000bc]

Chose my words badly didn't I.
I dont have a problem with Moslems or Islam on the whole.
Live and let live.
But there are ******* within the Moslem community that dont see it that way. They are called terrorist or terrorist sympathisers.
They are the ones I would like to see weeded out and dealt with.
If you cant deal with that, Stiff.

If you want this to become personal, let me say that I could only be bitten by someone that I respect.
Guess what !!!

I was just trying to be a bit funny.

[Eevo]

in short,
jews believe that they are descendants of abraham through birth.
christians believe they become descendants of abraham though faith
islam doesnt care. abraham was just another prophet.

[olbod]

What saddens me the most is that it does not have to be this way.
I would have loved to visit places in the middle east.
They have a fantastic history and places and sites steeped in history and the civilised world would love to visit unmolested. I have books and doco's about the middle east that to me are fascinating. From when I was a kid reading Ali Baba and stuff I read as much as I could also Israel and the biblical sites.
I have most of the Leon Uris books but alas I will never get there as I dont have a death wish. I console myself by saying I am to old anyway.
Egypt was the go for a while on the tourist circuit but you would take your life in your hand now I think if you were stupid enough.
I think Turkey at the moment is the only Moslem country that appears to be civilised and welcoming.
Hell there are area's in Sydney that are becoming no go zones for non Moslems.
Not that I would ever visit Sydney again for any reason.

[olbod]

I was just trying to be a bit funny.


Okay, Sorry.

[dick180641]

The problem is actually weeding out the extremists and militants.
We must remember that ALL Muslims are not terrorists......BUT, virtually ALL terrorists are Muslims.

[Ean Austral]

IMHO we cannot categorize the extremists and terrorists groups as Muslims.
The Muslims saying loud and clear that what these groups are doing and promoting does not have nothing to do with the Muslim beliefs or are in the Koran for that matter.
If we keep blaming the Muslim instead of these groups we will create a big division in our society including violence and civilian unrest.
The winners will be these groups of extremists including the Nazi-Fascists Australian groups that saying that they will bomb the Mosques.
We have to be very careful to not allow that one or two thousand low life people in Australia ruin our way of life.


Gday Chucaro,


The problem is that we haven't heard or seen any muslims condoning this behaviour. I am not saying they haven't , but , in the media I have seen or listened to all I have heard is that the authorities have over reacted and its not as it seems.


You cannot blame the average person for reacting against this faith as we have seen the PM, the Feds, ASIO, even the local cops come out and say its not racial or religious persecution, but the only responses from the Islamic community seems to be denial.


I am happy to be proven wrong, but we in Darwin haven't seen any denouncing from the faithful. I hope we don't see it esculate into another chronulla episode.


Cheers Ean


Cheers Ean

[Alex 110]

actually its been around since the days of abraham.
which is around 2000bc

Muhammad 600 AD

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[Chucaro]

Gday Chucaro,


The problem is that we haven't heard or seen any muslims condoning this behaviour. I am not saying they haven't , but , in the media I have seen or listened to all I have heard is that the authorities have over reacted and its not as it seems.


You cannot blame the average person for reacting against this faith as we have seen the PM, the Feds, ASIO, even the local cops come out and say its not racial or religious persecution, but the only responses from the Islamic community seems to be denial.


I am happy to be proven wrong, but we in Darwin haven't seen any denouncing from the faithful. I hope we don't see it esculate into another chronulla episode.


Cheers Ean


Cheers Ean

Hello Ean, today in ABC 24 was a media conference where there were journalists form many different media organizations.
The Muslim representatives expressed very clear their position.
Sadly I cannot find in the media sites in the web any reference about the meeting :(
It seems to me that if the news are good, there are not new.
Ean, what I am trying to do and wishing is for us not to act in a manner that will be produce division with in Australia. That it is what the radicals want.
We have to act smart and with calm and not accuse any individual or organization if we do not know the facts.

cheers

[gasman]

actually its been around since the days of abraham.
which is around 2000bc
better do your research, my friend.

[Ean Austral]

Hello Ean, today in ABC 24 was a media conference where there were journalists form many different media organizations.
The Muslim representatives expressed very clear their position.
Sadly I cannot find in the media sites in the web any reference about the meeting :(
It seems to me that if the news are good, there are not new.
Ean, what I am trying to do and wishing is for us not to act in a manner that will be produce division with in Australia. That it is what the radicals want.
We have to act smart and with calm and not accuse any individual or organization if we do not know the facts.

cheers


I agree 100% with what you are trying to do. I don't care where anyone is from or what their religion is, as long as they live by the rules that we all have to live by and they don't force their religious/political views on those that don't want to hear them then welcome and enjoy this great country for what it is , of they can't do that then move on to somewhere else.

Cheers Ean

[Alex 110]

We must remember that ALL Muslims are not terrorists......BUT, virtually ALL terrorists are Muslims.

Tell that to the IRA regarding the RUC or the RUC regarding the IRA

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[Ferret]

The Muslim representatives expressed very clear their position...

The problem is - A non Muslim draws a funny picture of Mohammed and there are world wide riots by Muslims condemning the perpetrator for mocking their religion. But a Muslim cuts some heads off, spews genocidal propaganda, invokes the name of Islam and a few Muslims (by comparison to the numbers involved in the global riots) pop up to condemn the acts.

There is a very large disparity in how the Muslim community reacts to events concerning their religion. One would think they would be demonstrating in the streets over someone using their so called 'religion of peace' as justification for these acts.

Makes you wonder what they really think.

[incisor]

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[p38arover]

I would have loved to visit places in the middle east.

I enjoyed visiting many places around Riyadh when I worked in Saudi Arabia and I liked everyone with whom I worked. But that was 25 years ago. Dunno what the place would be like now.

(I even attended Arabic language classes at night. Sadly, my Arabic is now almost non-existent.)

[Eevo]

better do your research, my friend.
Islam (/ˈɪslɑːm/;[note 1] Arabic: الإسلام‎, al-ʾIslām IPA: [ælʔɪsˈlæːm] ( listen)[note 2]) is a monotheistic and Abrahamic religion



Muhammad 600 AD


thats when it changed. its history is much older.


its like saying Christianity only started with Christ, yet they follow the old testament which is much older than 1ad.
their history and belief also goes back to abraham

[Eevo]

Abraham is recorded in the Torah as the ancestor of the Israelites through his son Isaac, born to Sarah through a promise made in Genesis.[Gen. 17:16]

The sacred text of Christianity is the Christian Bible, the first part of which, the Old Testament, is derived from the Jewish Bible, leading to similar ancestry claims as above, though most Christians are gentiles who consider themselves as grafted into the family tree under the New Covenant.

It is the Islamic tradition that Muhammad, as an Arab, is descended from Abraham's son Ishmael. Jewish tradition also equates the descendants of Ishmael, Ishmaelites, with Arabs, as the descendants of Isaac by Jacob, who was also later known as Israel, are the Israelites.

[olbod]

The news this morning is that a French tourist was beheaded in Algeria as revenge for French bombing in Iraq.

The safest place for the scum to behead an Australian would be in bali or one of those other Asian tourist spots we stupidly go to.

To counter that tho, in France the good old boys should execute two random Muslims as payback.
Two or ten eyes for one.
It aint going to get any better anytime soon.
Bugger turning the other cheek.

[JamesB71]

The question Ron, is whether Australians are as good as their their grandfathers were and rise up to fight for our country when they behead one of us on our own street or whether they will cower like dogs behind political correctness and cowardice?

Henry said it best.

So I sit and write and ponder, while the house is deaf and dumb,
Seeing visions "over yonder" of the war I know must come.
In the corner - not a vision - but a sign for coming days
Stand a box of ammunition and a rifle in green baize.
And in this, the living present, let the word go through the land,
Every tradesman, clerk and peasant should have these two things at hand.

No - no ranting song is needed, and no meeting, flag or fuss -
In the future, still unheeded, shall the spirit come to us!
Without feathers, drum or riot on the day that is to be,
We shall march down, very quiet, to our stations by the sea.
While the bitter parties stifle every voice that warns of war,
Every man should own a rifle and have cartridges in store!

[Gerokent]

The question Ron, is whether Australians are as good as their their grandfathers were and rise up to fight for our country when they behead one of us on our own street or whether they will cower like dogs behind political correctness and cowardice?

Henry said it best.

So I sit and write and ponder, while the house is deaf and dumb,
Seeing visions "over yonder" of the war I know must come.
In the corner - not a vision - but a sign for coming days
Stand a box of ammunition and a rifle in green baize.
And in this, the living present, let the word go through the land,
Every tradesman, clerk and peasant should have these two things at hand.





No - no ranting song is needed, and no meeting, flag or fuss -
In the future, still unheeded, shall the spirit come to us!
Without feathers, drum or riot on the day that is to be,
We shall march down, very quiet, to our stations by the sea.
While the bitter parties stifle every voice that warns of war,
Every man should own a rifle and have cartridges in store!



Exept Jonny started to disarm us :mad:
During WW2, the Japs didn't want to invade mainland USA because they said "behind every bush there is an American with a gun"