"ENGINE OIL LEVEL MONITOR SYSTEM FAULT"

[Wheelan]

Hi all. So I have had my recently purchased D4 SE 3 ltr for a week now. It has 83 K kms on it. When I started it up today with the car parked on a hill (relevance?) a dong came up on start up which didnt sound normal. All good took off, down the road a couple of km the warning "ENGINE OIL LEVEL MONITOR SYSTEM FAULT" came up, then went away. It did this on and off all the way from Ballarat to Melbourne. When I parked it up, stopped for about 15 mins and started again the message didn't come back. I thought all was good. I parked and went shopping for a couple of hours, took off again and thought "minor glitch now all gone", then the message came up again on and off till I got home. Checked oil level and checked ok.
Has anyone had this happen before, there doesn't seem to be much info around after googling. Or is this my car just letting me know of things to come. Not a great start to my first Land Rover ownership. :mad:

[lpj]

That's gotta go back to the dealer. Annoying but likely not major.

You may already know this but check it after it's been sitting on level ground for a few hours, or over night (prior to starting).

You push the start button without touching the brake and the service menu will come up.

[Wheelan]

That's gotta go back to the dealer. Annoying but likely not major.

You may already know this but check it after it's been sitting on level ground for a few hours, or over night (prior to starting).

You push the start button without touching the brake and the service menu will come up.
yeah thanks thats what I did. Likely to be a sensor?

[Wheelan]

So spoke to mechanic today, apparently to get to this sensor you have to remove the sump, to do this you either have to remove the front diff or remove the body from the chassis!!! WTF

[lpj]

removing the body is somewhat common place. Its not a nice thought but they do it all the time. I had my ring gear replaced and they had to remove the body. At the end of the day, the oil needs to be monitored so it will have to be done.

p.s. Is you mechanic a dealer LR specialist or or a general mechanic?

[Wheelan]

p.s. Is you mechanic a dealer LR specialist or or a general mechanic?

LR specialist in Melbourne, starts with R

I know it prob is common practice these days, I would have thought dropping the sump would have been easier, like you say, it has to be done, its just a shame this has happened to me in the first week of ownership. I purchased this car so I didnt have to have an affair ;) so I guess fun and games are to be expected!

[Plane Fixer]

I purchased this car so I didnt have to have an affair ;) so I guess fun and games are to be expected!


Ah! Mid life crisis.The Land Rover is certainly the cheapest and easiest option. At least the wife can come to like it...:angel:

[Wheelan]

I purchased this car so I didnt have to have an affair ;) so I guess fun and games are to be expected!


Ah! Mid life crisis.The Land Rover is certainly the cheapest and easiest option. At least the wife can come to like it...:angel:

:BigThumb:You nailed it.

[RoverLander]

Hi all. So I have had my recently purchased D4 SE 3 ltr for a week now. It has 83 K kms on it. When I started it up today with the car parked on a hill (relevance?) a dong came up on start up which didnt sound normal. All good took off, down the road a couple of km the warning "ENGINE OIL LEVEL MONITOR SYSTEM FAULT" came up, then went away. It did this on and off all the way from Ballarat to Melbourne. When I parked it up, stopped for about 15 mins and started again the message didn't come back. I thought all was good. I parked and went shopping for a couple of hours, took off again and thought "minor glitch now all gone", then the message came up again on and off till I got home. Checked oil level and checked ok.
Has anyone had this happen before, there doesn't seem to be much info around after googling. Or is this my car just letting me know of things to come. Not a great start to my first Land Rover ownership. :mad:

I just had this message come up on a MY15 D4. It was a few days after getting the battery replaced at a dealer. What was involved in resolving your problem please? Would like to talk to the dealer with some information. If possible.

[LandyAndy]

I had that fault,it came on whilst driving to my last service so I delivered the vehicle with the fault active.
They re-set it and booked it in for a later repair,sump off job.It didn't return in the time between the first fault and taking it in for the repair.All covered under warranty.
Andrew

[LRD414]

I had this fault once about two years ago. Disappeared after restart. Dealer found no faults and it has never returned.

Scott

[gloverpcg]

I had this fault come up on a regular basis. Quoted $3300 by LR dealer to fix. Not sure if sensor or wiring fault. Ignored the problem and now fault comes up on rare occasions. Will check it out when timing belt replacement due in about 5k.
Cheers Peter

[scarry]

The dipstick in mine works fine,has never faulted yet[bigwhistle]

[DiscoJeffster]

The dipstick in mine works fine,has never faulted yet[bigwhistle]

Does the dipstick jump out of the bonnet to let you know you’ve sprung an oil leak? Better to know when it gets to low, rather than empty by a low oil pressure warning light when it’s too late. Rare occurrence I admit, but I have lost an engine before (not on my LR) to an oil leak so I can appreciate the technology’s advantages (and disadvantages).

Edit: I do however wish I had the electronics AND a dipstick for cross checking in a failure!

[northiam]

FSM no mention of body removal?

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[scarry]

Does the dipstick jump out of the bonnet to let you know you’ve sprung an oil leak? Better to know when it gets to low, rather than empty by a low oil pressure warning light when it’s too late. Rare occurrence I admit, but I have lost an engine before (not on my LR) to an oil leak so I can appreciate the technology’s advantages (and disadvantages).

Edit: I do however wish I had the electronics AND a dipstick for cross checking in a failure!

Many(and probably most) vehicles have an engine oil level light,and an oil pressure light,with a dip stick.

If the two lights,and sensors work,and the driver stops the engine reasonably quickly,very little chance of an engine failure.

In fact an oil level light will often come on on a hill if the vehicle engine oil level is low,giving the driver a warning way before oil pressure is lost.

IMHO,the system that LR has gone to is,once again, technology for technologys sake.

While under the bonnet the driver should also be looking at other things.Having this electronic system,the driver more than likely won't open the bonnet at all,so less things are being checked that should be regularly checked.

And coupled with long service intervals,that seem to be getting longer with each new model,this can be a recipe for disaster.

Anyway,not worth harping on about a system that will now stay as it is for some vehicle manufacturers,while many others stay the old reliable way,as has been the norm for the last 100yrs or so.

[gloverpcg]

Does the dipstick jump out of the bonnet to let you know you’ve sprung an oil leak? Better to know when it gets to low, rather than empty by a low oil pressure warning light when it’s too late. Rare occurrence I admit, but I have lost an engine before (not on my LR) to an oil leak so I can appreciate the technology’s advantages (and disadvantages).

Edit: I do however wish I had the electronics AND a dipstick for cross checking in a failure!
Just wish my D4 had a dipstick.

[pjcd4]

Hi All
So I'm up in Kakadu, 4000km from home, having just got back to the Border Store after visiting the top of the Coburg Peninsula (Garig Gunak Barlu). That's the good news :-)
The bad news is this Engine Oil Level Monitor System Fault has come up. Question is ... what to do?
Just to add some context, the engine was replaced just before I left Sydney (under warranty, fortunately). I've done just over 5000km since then. The last 400km have been on dirt - wondering then if I've got dust in the sensor?
The oil level is showing OK, but the reading level is bouncing between half, and Max, and sometimes somewhere in between.
Would welcome your thoughts.

[imaz]

I get this message flash on the dash every so often and displays for about 0.5sec, rather annoying more than anything. Clearly it is a false error because I know how many litres of oil is put in and extracted between services.

As you know it’s a costly and labour intensive job to replace a $200 sensor.

The question - how technically smart are you keyboard warriors out there?

Is there a way to disable the engine oil system monitor fault checks/polling in the ccf editor? Surely there must be a flag which can be disabled.

[DieselLSE]

Is there a way to disable the engine oil system monitor fault checks/polling in the ccf editor? Surely there must be a flag which can be disabled.
Not in the CCF.

[350RRC]

So spoke to mechanic today, apparently to get to this sensor you have to remove the sump, to do this you either have to remove the front diff or remove the body from the chassis!!! WTF

Maybe that's why they're called discoveries.

DL

[350RRC]

....................... At the end of the day, the oil needs to be monitored so it will have to be done.



Maybe someone should invent something like a rod that goes into the sump and shows the oil level after it has been withdrawn, cleaned and dipped.

Could be called a 'dipstick'.

DL

[DiscoJeffster]

Maybe someone should invent something like a rod that goes into the sump and shows the oil level after it has been withdrawn, cleaned and dipped.

Could be called a 'dipstick'.

DL

Only a dipstick would suggest such a thing

[Eric SDV6SE]

Maybe someone should invent something like a rod that goes into the sump and shows the oil level after it has been withdrawn, cleaned and dipped.

Could be called a 'dipstick'.

DL
But then an engineer will think that a metal rod (e.g. said "dipstick") can be replaced with a sensor that can check the engine oil and give a readout on the "instrument cluster"

[DiscoJeffster]

But then an engineer will think that a metal rod (e.g. said "dipstick") can be replaced with a sensor that can check the engine oil and give a readout on the "instrument cluster"

This has been done to death. Let’s unwind this, then unwind EFI because points were the best thing ever. Oh and fuel injectors are going to fail, so carby it is. Oh but they were sooooo reliable.

These sensors fail very rarely, but I agree they’re a costly one to repair if they do go. It’s better to have something constantly checking your level than once ever whenever it gets done.

Await the expected flaming. [emoji2369]

[350RRC]

re; Eric's post:

And then people who don't know how to open a bonnet, or don't want to because they wouldn't have a clue what they were looking at just have to look at the dash.

It's a full disconnect from crucial reality.

There's even a post earlier where someone has wondered whether the sensor in question is contaminated with dust, FFS it's inside the engine.

cheers, DL

[DiscoJeffster]

And then people who don't know how to open a bonnet, or don't want to because they wouldn't have a clue what they were looking at just have to look at the dash.

It's a full disconnect from crucial reality.

There's even a post earlier where someone has wondered whether the sensor in question is contaminated with dust, FFS it's inside the engine.

cheers, DL

It has some pluses. It can tell you mid drive it’s low and to shut down the engine. A dipstick can’t do that. Coming from someone who had an engine with a dry sump setup that sprung a leak, I’d have loved to have something to tell me that my oil tank was empty, before the oil pressure light flashed up for two seconds before my engine lunched itself

[350RRC]

It has some pluses. It can tell you mid drive it’s low and to shut down the engine. A dipstick can’t do that. Coming from someone who had an engine with a dry sump setup that sprung a leak, I’d have loved to have something to tell me that my oil tank was empty, before the oil pressure light flashed up for two seconds before my engine lunched itself

How many stock cars have dry sumps? Not trying to be funny.

cheers, DL

[DiscoJeffster]

How many stock cars have dry sumps? Not trying to be funny.

cheers, DL

Well not many, but another mate lost his engine, not dry sump, weirdly at the exact same time as me, on the same trip, to an oil filter seal blowing out. Winning Powerball and being struck by lightening odds for that one.

I agree, if you can keep all engine oil elements contained the likelihood of a hose failure are minimised

[350RRC]

Well not many, but another mate lost his engine, not dry sump, weirdly at the exact same time as me, on the same trip, to an oil filter seal blowing out. Winning Powerball and being struck by lightening odds for that one.

I agree, if you can keep all engine oil elements contained the likelihood of a hose failure are minimised

My POS dumped all its water in a servo on the north side of Geelong after a drive back from Melby.

Taped up the lower rad hose, started the motor and bled cold water into it. Drove to chez moi about 20k's, modded up a new hose, no ongoing probs.

Donk has done over 600k kms and has already been recoed prior.

It's really about differing expectations and outcomes. i find it very amusing that some have posted stuff along the lines of 'D4/5' or a mistress.

dl

[scarry]

This has been done to death. Let’s unwind this, then unwind EFI because points were the best thing ever. Oh and fuel injectors are going to fail, so carby it is. Oh but they were sooooo reliable. [emoji2369]

Those changes were improvements.

The oil level system with no dipstick is really no 'improvement',over a normal type dipstick that probably 95% plus vehicles use these days with no issues,and have done for the many, many years.
As said with the dipstick, most, if not all vehicles also have an oil pressure and level warning light as well.

So how can this electronic oil level gauge with dash read out be any better than the old system?

Once again, its technology for technologys sake, nothing else.

FWIW,the vehicles I have seen with LR's latest ingenium engines had dipsticks, so maybe they have moved away from the electronic oil level system?

[imaz]

How many stock cars have dry sumps? Not trying to be funny.

cheers, DL

A landrover thats done a bearing and a hole in the block/case.

[imaz]

Those changes were improvements.

The oil level system with no dipstick is really no 'improvement',over a normal type dipstick that probably 95% plus vehicles use these days with no issues,and have done for the many, many years.
As said with the dipstick, most, if not all vehicles also have an oil pressure and level warning light as well.

So how can this electronic oil level gauge with dash read out be any better than the old system?

Once again, its technology for technologys sake, nothing else.

FWIW,the vehicles I have seen with LR's latest ingenium engines had dipsticks, so maybe they have moved away from the electronic oil level system?


I couldnt care less for an instrument read out - could have at least make it a compensating oil check, together with a dipstick as well.

How would you check the oil level on these engines on a mounting stand without an instrument cluster? I guess you couldnt.

[imaz]

So it turns out LR is not the only cars which have the Oil sensor monitors, more so common. However the other manufacturers have been mounting the sensors externally of the sump so the unit and wiring is not submerged with hot oil, and also a serviceable item.

[DiscoJeffster]

So it turns out LR is not the only cars which have the Oil sensor monitors, more so common. However the other manufacturers have been mounting the sensors externally of the sump so the unit and wiring is not submerged with hot oil, and also a serviceable item.

Yes it’s very common now, but LR could have done it better. Though we need to blame PSA not LR per se.

[101RRS]

Have a look at this very entertaining video - the oil level sensor is item one - right at the start.

9 things I did not know before I bought my Land Rover Discovery 4 / LR4 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uvh6d0pKEgY)

[Micha]

good info in this video but hardly entertaining.. one wonders why buy a D4 only to (immediately) bitch about it on YouTube.

[PhilipA]

So how much does it potentially cost not to have the terrible inconvenience of a dipstick?
So maybe $400 body lift before they start, plus removing sump.
$1000 or more?
Regards PhilipA

[101RRS]

In 1977 I bought a new Lancia Beta Coupe. On its dash was a gauge with a push button that you pushed to read the oil level in the engine. Was nothing electrical about it. The dipstick was hollow with a plastic tube that ran back to the dash gauge - not sure how it actually worked but I assume the push button just pressurised the system and the gauge read off the pressure - higher oil level results in higher pressure in the system reading on the gauge as "normal" - low oil level means a lower pressure in the system and so indicated by the gauge.

Was simple and it worked without the overly complexity system in the 3.0TDV6 - plus you still had a dipstick.

My 2.7TDV6 is coming up to 200,000km and does not burn or drop any oil between services (about 10 month intervals). So it is not as if you have to lift the bonnet to just check the oil - so not really sure why the 3.0 system was considered a necessity. Overly complex and has caused engine failures/issues due to either overfilling or running out of oil for some reason.

Garry

[imaz]

So how much does it potentially cost not to have the terrible inconvenience of a dipstick?
So maybe $400 body lift before they start, plus removing sump.
$1000 or more?
Regards PhilipA

You would think a third party or even psa would have come up with a retrofitting dip stick as optional today, if the service port can be used as a dipstick, I’d be happy to do exactly that.

[scarry]

Yes it’s very common now, but LR could have done it better. Though we need to blame PSA not LR per se.

Not really,LR no doubt would have specified the engine that way.They could have changed it if they wanted,and gone to a dipstick.

History does show that LR love to complicate things as much as possible,which doesnt make much sense,but they continue to do it,which causes high repair costs,and at times unreliability.

[imaz]

Not really,LR no doubt would have specified the engine that way.They could have changed it if they wanted,and gone to a dipstick.

History does show that LR love to complicate things as much as possible,which doesnt make much sense,but they continue to do it,which causes high repair costs,and at times unreliability.

Where does the 2.7 Ltr dipstick mount?

[loanrangie]

Where does the 2.7 Ltr dipstick mount?Left hand side of the block.

[PhilipA]

Doesn't a 3 litre have an oil sucker pipe at the front?
If so , couldn't you just get some nylon small diameter tube or similar and take a reading when full and go from there?

Regards PhilipA

[imaz]

Doesn't a 3 litre have an oil sucker pipe at the front?
If so , couldn't you just get some nylon small diameter tube or similar and take a reading when full and go from there?

Regards PhilipA

Yeh it does, to the right of the lower sump