Ford to quit V8 Supercars at end of 2015

[CraigE]

No great loss as they are a POs anyway, but thought they may have brought the Mustang into play.
All I can say is too all Australians Dont by any Ford and send them packing, Having said that as a avid Holden Fan the same thing may apply to them soon.
Cheers
Craig

[disco man]

A bit harsh on the piece of **** claim Craig:) I think its a bad move,but one i am not surprised at either. It had to come,but like everyone else i am surprised it came this early. The future of FPR? who knows,but i think DJR team Penske will be a lot better off. But its not the first time Ford has pulled the pin on Motorsport then rejoined again.

[disco man]

FPR is trying to look ahead.

FPR discussing 'all options' over Ford future - Speedcafe (http://www.speedcafe.com/2014/11/06/fpr-discussing-options-ford-future/)

[Pickles2]

Ford haven't said what they are going to do yet.
People shouldn't get too carried away by "Factory" sponsorship,.....because many teams don't have it.
Pickles.

[d2dave]

A bit harsh on the piece of **** claim Craig:)

Couldn't agree more. SWMBO drives an 06 5.4 litre V8 LTD. It is an absolute joy to drive.

Back on topic, I think the whole V8 super car circus is going to crash, and don't get me wrong I love it, going to pay tv with too many other makes.

Who wants to see a Nisson or Merc win Bathurst.

[disco man]

Couldn't agree more. SWMBO drives an 06 5.4 litre V8 LTD. It is an absolute joy to drive.

Back on topic, I think the whole V8 super car circus is going to crash, and don't get me wrong I love it, going to pay tv with too many other makes.

Who wants to see a Nisson or Merc win Bathurst.

G'day mate, I had a 2004 Fairmont Ghia with the 5.4L 3V SOHC engine. Loved it,just be very careful when you get the sparkplugs changed.

[d2dave]

G'day mate, I had a 2004 Fairmont Ghia with the 5.4L 3V SOHC engine. Loved it,just be very careful when you get the sparkplugs changed.

Yep, fully aware f the problem. I will be making sure that when I go to change plugs that I have the time to pull the heads of.

[disco man]

Yep, fully aware f the problem. I will be making sure that when I go to change plugs that I have the time to pull the heads of.

There is a online guide from the US. Not sure how good it is though. One tip which you probably know anyway,plenty of anti-seize on your new plugs.

[Slunnie]

Back on topic, I think the whole V8 super car circus is going to crash, and don't get me wrong I love it, going to pay tv with too many other makes.

Who wants to see a Nisson or Merc win Bathurst.
Probably will crash. Also how do new teams form and privateers operate with such a level of manufacturing complexity in the cars. There are no small teams now, only big budget ones.

Perhaps people don't really want to see Nissan and Mercedes win Bathurst, but (I can't believe I'm saying this) I think there would be monumental support for a Volvo win!

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Who wants to see a Nisson or Merc win Bathurst.

What?
you really think thats a commodore running around out there?!?!?!?:Thump:

The only way the circus will survive is by other makes running and winning

[d2dave]

There is a online guide from the US. Not sure how good it is though. One tip which you probably know anyway,plenty of anti-seize on your new plugs.

Two cars ago she had an EF Falcon six which I broke a plug trying to remove.

I have used anti seize ever since.

[timax]

I LOVE motorsport.

Just want to get that out first.

BUT I havnt watched a V8 Taxi race in years.

I grew up in the western suburbs of Sydney and now live in the inner city.
Since selling our EH Holden back in the 70's not one of our family or any of our friends then or now have ever owned a Falcon or a Commodore.
I get in one every now and then as a Taxi but thats about it.

I cant see that im alone in my thinking and a look around any of Sydneys local car parks will quickly show what people really want in a car. Do the heads of Ford and Holden not do this themselves? Obviously not or they would have changed their ways years ago.

What id love to see is a return of a true Touring car championship.

Lift your heads and look at what the rest of the world are racing. It can still be fun to watch and just may attract a few more fans.

Tim

[d2dave]

I LOVE motorsport.

Just want to get that out first.

BUT I havnt watched a V8 Taxi race in years.

I grew up in the western suburbs of Sydney and now live in the inner city.
Since selling our EH Holden back in the 70's not one of our family or any of our friends then or now have ever owned a Falcon or a Commodore.
I get in one every now and then as a Taxi but thats about it.

I cant see that im alone in my thinking and a look around any of Sydneys local car parks will quickly show what people really want in a car. Do the heads of Ford and Holden not do this themselves? Obviously not or they would have changed their ways years ago.

What id love to see is a return of a true Touring car championship.

Lift your heads and look at what the rest of the world are racing. It can still be fun to watch and just may attract a few more fans.

Tim

Why people have gone cold on Falcodores amazes me. They are very nice cars, REAR wheel drive and much nicer to drive than a front wheel drive buzz box.

What astounds me is when soccer mums choose a playdough over a similar priced statesman of fairlane. Far enough if it is for the extra seats but this is not always the case.

The "look at me" factor in a sedan rather than my big SUV, has a lot to do with it. And I hate the term SUV for a real 4x4, but have used it here as most soccer mums never even go on a dirt road.

And I wish people would stop calling them taxis.

[CraigE]

There have been a few people who say they dont like the Falcons and Commodores but dont back it up with real justification. I am ok with people who like what they like, but when people say they are sub standard but dont back it up with facts then that annoys me. There are better and worse cars around but you need to compare apples with apples. To many people comparing different category cars.
IMHO the Commodores and Falcons are the ideal large family car. The shift to small cars is more about economy etc. They have most of the appointments of similar price bracket cars. Personally I like the BMW but you cannot compare as in the price category you can get a 3 series BMW or a top of the range Commodore, maybe even a Statesman compared to a top of the range 3 series. The equivalent for a real comparison would be a 5 or 7 series at a lot more cost, so no where near a fair comparison. If you compare it to an Altima or Camry there is no comparison the Commodores and Falcons actually win hands down.
I dont get the soccer mum SUV mentality, I would rather a SS Wagon if I needed the space. Most of these SUVs are not 4x4 and never see off road anyway. As said the latest seems to be Prados that never see anything harder than a kerb. I dont get spending $70k plus for this purpose.

[disco man]

There have been a few people who say they dont like the Falcons and Commodores but dont back it up with real justification. I am ok with people who like what they like, but when people say they are sub standard but dont back it up with facts then that annoys me. There are better and worse cars around but you need to compare apples with apples. To many people comparing different category cars.
IMHO the Commodores and Falcons are the ideal large family car. The shift to small cars is more about economy etc. They have most of the appointments of similar price bracket cars. Personally I like the BMW but you cannot compare as in the price category you can get a 3 series BMW or a top of the range Commodore, maybe even a Statesman compared to a top of the range 3 series. The equivalent for a real comparison would be a 5 or 7 series at a lot more cost, so no where near a fair comparison. If you compare it to an Altima or Camry there is no comparison the Commodores and Falcons actually win hands down.
I dont get the soccer mum SUV mentality, I would rather a SS Wagon if I needed the space. Most of these SUVs are not 4x4 and never see off road anyway. As said the latest seems to be Prados that never see anything harder than a kerb. I dont get spending $70k plus for this purpose.

Well said Craig, When you look across the board at what people are driving it comes down to price. Take a FPV or HSV and try to find an European or Japanese car to match its performance,features,size and you will struggle. The Statesman/Caprice offer luxury a LWB, performance and style that you will pay much,much more for if you look overseas for the same package. As for boneheads who buy big 4x4's that will never see a dirt road in their lives,i just don't get it. The sister in law has a 2014 Sahara with all the options valued at over $100,000 that she has no intention of ever taking anywhere off tarmac. To me that's like buying a Ferrari and never driving it fast.

[Pickles2]

Love my V8 Supercars, it's the racing we have,..but it won't always be in this form.
So, all you guys who don't like it, want some change etc, just be patient, in a couple of years things will change.
Pickles.

[nismine01]

When the 500 mile race started at Philip Island (now at Bathurst and 1,000 kilometers long) it was open to all makes and several classes, speed differential and safety are reasons for it's change along with someone buying the 'rights' to it.

I believe the old 'win on Sunday sell on Monday' to hold true if there was a car to sell. There simply is not with these cars, they do NOT represent the make or model they claim to be. :o

A formula that I think would work and be attractive to both the race goer and the buying public would be the bread and butter 3.5 litre V6 that most car manufacturers have in their stables. The only enhancements would be for safety, original brakes, suspension, motors, transmissions and running gear, after all don't they say "racing is what improves the breed?" :twisted:

Well that's my two bobs worth. :cool:

Cheers

Mike

[timax]

There have been a few people who say they dont like the Falcons and Commodores but dont back it up with real justification. I am ok with people who like what they like, but when people say they are sub standard but dont back it up with facts then that annoys me.

Thats a fair call.

Look ,im sure they are a fine car but they just dont do it for me in the looks department first up.
Really everyone is going to be different with this and so i can only speak for myself.
From a style point of view neither have had much (to me) except for the Holden GTS which looks like they had a good look at where BMW were going with their M3. I dont like the M series BMWs either even though i had one for a few years. Just too gold chain and hairy chest for me.
Advancements.... well i had for a few years a 1979 Alfa Spider. 4 wheel disk brakes ,brembo or ATE standard. Twin overhead cam all alloy engine, 1 throttle per cylinder , coil springs ,independent rear suspension and designed from the heart . What did Ford or Holden have back then? Nothing to catch a young boys eye unless it was a BDA Escort or Lotus Cortina.
So you can see my personal taste is for small well balanced screamers that can drive around the outside of the big tanks. Lighter to drive , handle better , more economical , easier to live with in the city . My "fun" car these days has a 1.6 lit engine that puts out 160 HP and redlines at 8000rpm stock standard.
You mentioned the 7 series and 5 series BMW. Even for BMW these are not their best sellers. The 3 series out sells all the others put together. Same with the mid size lexus , Camery , Liberty , magna , etc etc. People dont want a big car. Cant the heads of these companies see that?
Im sure they spend a fortune in market research but a visit to any local westfield carpark will show them all they need to know.
Dont get me started on the Holden Trax "company saver":(

Sorry if i have ranted a bit here. Its just something i have been seeing coming for 20 years or so.

[timax]

Well said Craig, When you look across the board at what people are driving it comes down to price. Take a FPV or HSV and try to find an European or Japanese car to match its performance,features,size .

How many Falcons or Commodores are exported?
If they were better than the opposition they would sell but they are not.
Plain and simple.
We can argue all day but the rest off the world seems to disagree with you.The same argument is probably happening in America where most of their cars only sell to the local market.

[d2dave]

I believe the old 'win on Sunday sell on Monday' to hold true if there was a car to sell. There simply is not with these cars, they do NOT represent the make or model they claim to be. :o

A formula that I think would work and be attractive to both the race goer and the buying public would be the bread and butter 3.5 litre V6 that most car manufacturers have in their stables. The only enhancements would be for safety, original brakes, suspension, motors, transmissions and running gear, after all don't they say "racing is what improves the breed?" :twisted:

Well that's my two bobs worth. :cool:

Cheers

Mike

I couldn't see going back to what we had 20 plus years ago working.
Back then manufactures made a very fast production car for racing purposes, fast for the era, slow by today's standards.

Nowadays there is nowhere near the difference between the family sedan and the high performance variant as what there used to be.

As for racing V6's they would be too slow for what race fans want. Would be very boring.

If you want to watch this just get down to Dandenong on a Friday and Saturday night.

[disco man]

How many Falcons or Commodores are exported?
If they were better than the opposition they would sell but they are not.
Plain and simple.
We can argue all day but the rest off the world seems to disagree with you.The same argument is probably happening in America where most of their cars only sell to the local market.

Ford US would not allow the Falcon to be exported. Holden exported Commodores to the Middle East,North America,Uk. So for the price,size,features,performance, in a full size sedan not a mid sized what is better on the market than a Falcon or Commodore?

[timax]

As for racing V6's they would be too slow for what race fans want. Would be very boring.



Thats pretty funny.:D
Have a look at some BTCC vids on youtube and you will see that even 4 cyl can be fast.

[Mick_Marsh]

How many Falcons or Commodores are exported?
I don't know about the Falcons but wrt the Commodores, they are a word car. They are assembled in Australia and other countries.
Holden export the HSV version to Europe. When we produced the Monaro here, before production was moved to America, we exported them to America.
Not a lot of anything is exported nowdays, except for raw resources. The Ausie dollar is too high.

[disco man]

Thats pretty funny.:D
Have a look at some BTCC vids on youtube and you will see that even 4 cyl can be fast.

I don't think a 2L Honda Civic would be pushing 299kph down conrod.

[timax]

I don't think a 2L Honda Civic would be pushing 299kph down conrod.

No your right there Disco Man. Thats damn quick but who really cares about top speed? Most of the fans will hang around the corners and thats where the lighter cars are quicker.
Was just having a look back at old race data and its amazing to see that Jim Richards in the Skyline back in 1991 set an average of 158kph over 161 laps.
It wasnt until 2010 before that was beaten and its only been beaten 3 times.
No wonder the ford and Holden fans hated the thing. Imagine if they used the new one!! ;)

Only winding you up now :)

[disco man]

Some FPR news.

Sparks to fly over fifth FPR Falcon for 2015 - Speedcafe (http://www.speedcafe.com/2014/11/17/sparks-fly-fifth-fpr-falcon-2015/)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

When the 500 mile race started at Philip Island (now at Bathurst and 1,000 kilometers long) it was open to all makes and several classes, speed differential and safety are reasons for it's change along with someone buying the 'rights' to it.I started watching the Armstrong and followed through the Hardie-Ferodo years and 1000 km length but never knew it started at Phillip Island, shows to go you! :)

It lost me when it moved from production cars to the V8 supercar format.

[d2dave]

Was just having a look back at old race data and its amazing to see that Jim Richards in the Skyline back in 1991 set an average of 158kph over 161 laps.
It wasnt until 2010 before that was beaten and its only been beaten 3 times.
No wonder the ford and Holden fans hated the thing. Imagine if they used the new one!! ;)


He did have a massive advantage driving an all wheel drive vehicle.

[isuzurover]

...
Who wants to see a Nisson or Merc win Bathurst.

Personally I want to see a Volvo win. They are the only ones running a motor that has made it past the stone age. (And it sounds so much better too... )

[Pickles2]

No your right there Disco Man. Thats damn quick but who really cares about top speed? Most of the fans will hang around the corners and thats where the lighter cars are quicker.
Was just having a look back at old race data and its amazing to see that Jim Richards in the Skyline back in 1991 set an average of 158kph over 161 laps.
It wasnt until 2010 before that was beaten and its only been beaten 3 times.
No wonder the ford and Holden fans hated the thing. Imagine if they used the new one!! ;)

Only winding you up now :)
The Nissan that you refer to was the most complex saloon car ever raced in Australia. It was unbeatable, and remember it was "hobbled".
If that car had continued to be developed, modern day V8 Supercars would not keep up with it either.
Gibson Motorsport did a mighty job with those cars, they were the fastest of their type in the world.
Pickles.

[Redback]

He did have a massive advantage driving an all wheel drive vehicle.

Holden could have used the Coupe 4 all wheel drive:cool:

It's all about improving the breed and if it means changing things, then that's what you do, you don't ban the car that's winning, just because the bogan fans of Holden and Ford are crying because something else is winning, that doesn't improve the make.

Holden can make a car to win all makes racing, just got to go back to the 24hr races when the Monaro won 2 years in a row, that to me is better for Holden than V8 supercars, Holden V Ford.

Baz.

[d2dave]

The Nissan that you refer to was the most complex saloon car ever raced in Australia. It was unbeatable, and remember it was "hobbled".
If that car had continued to be developed, modern day V8 Supercars would not keep up with it either.
Gibson Motorsport did a mighty job with those cars, they were the fastest of their type in the world.
Pickles.

And this is why they had the nickname "Godzilla".

And Baz, the car wasn't banned. They outlawed turbo's.

[Redback]

And this is why they had the nickname "Godzilla".

And Baz, the car wasn't banned. They outlawed turbo's.

Same thing, just an excuse to get rid of them.

[sjane]

Get real guys, you think Penske would set up a new team and Ambrose would sign up for one year then pack up again?

[CraigE]

The Nissan that you refer to was the most complex saloon car ever raced in Australia. It was unbeatable, and remember it was "hobbled".
If that car had continued to be developed, modern day V8 Supercars would not keep up with it either.
Gibson Motorsport did a mighty job with those cars, they were the fastest of their type in the world.
Pickles.

I agree, but it should not have been racing in the class it was. They were developed to be unbeatable and in a different class. There are those saying that Ford Holden fans were having a sook, but to be fair it has to be a level playing field. These cars when they were brought in cost over $1 million each without spares, the average V8 was around $250.000 with spares back then. Of course the Nissan was going to win. Being AWD it should not have been allowed to run in this category and then there was the matter of Nissan putting large $ into its development. Great car yes, but a bit like putting the current crop up against a McLaren or Zonda. Also they did not even comply with the rules relating to cars sales. None of these cars were ever sold as road cars in Australia or anything even close. A couple of friends bout the top of the wuzza Skylines at the time and they were a rather different car that absolutely got flogged by the HSV at the time.
Then there was a bathurst race that they were given the win after crashing out. I have watched that race over and over again and the race was under yellow flag when they crashed, so should have been disqualified from winning. It was not under red as the officials stated. But does go to show they were not invincible.
Now if they had raced the actual road going version that was available for sale at the time they would not have been even remotely competitive. Just like the Sierras, you could not buy a Cosworth version even remotely close to the car being raced. A friend imported one from the UK where you could allegedly buy the Coswrth. It was an absolute bucket and got it arse kicked badly by a standard V8 Commodore.

[disco man]

I wonder if this would help make them more competitive?

Frosty: We need a technical director (http://www.v8supercars.com.au/news/championship/frosty-we-need-a-technical-director)

[Redback]

I agree, but it should not have been racing in the class it was. They were developed to be unbeatable and in a different class. There are those saying that Ford Holden fans were having a sook, but to be fair it has to be a level playing field. These cars when they were brought in cost over $1 million each without spares, the average V8 was around $250.000 with spares back then. Of course the Nissan was going to win. Being AWD it should not have been allowed to run in this category and then there was the matter of Nissan putting large $ into its development. Great car yes, but a bit like putting the current crop up against a McLaren or Zonda. Also they did not even comply with the rules relating to cars sales. None of these cars were ever sold as road cars in Australia or anything even close. A couple of friends bout the top of the wuzza Skylines at the time and they were a rather different car that absolutely got flogged by the HSV at the time.
Then there was a bathurst race that they were given the win after crashing out. I have watched that race over and over again and the race was under yellow flag when they crashed, so should have been disqualified from winning. It was not under red as the officials stated. But does go to show they were not invincible.
Now if they had raced the actual road going version that was available for sale at the time they would not have been even remotely competitive. Just like the Sierras, you could not buy a Cosworth version even remotely close to the car being raced. A friend imported one from the UK where you could allegedly buy the Coswrth. It was an absolute bucket and got it arse kicked badly by a standard V8 Commodore.

The sooking started around 1983/4, then really started balling their eyes out in 1987, first year Holden never won a race or round of the champs.

Baz.

[PAT303]

V8 supercars lost it's way when it allowed both the GTR and Cossi to race when they weren't production cars and weren't sold here,it lost it's way further when it went to V8's which accounts for a fraction of the buying market,further still to were we are now with cars that are a chassis with hung panels made to look like which ever brand is supporting you,fans aren't dumb and look at super cars as a farce which is why the fan support is getting lower each year and having races as high lights on TV or shown in the middle of the night just adds to the general feeling of not bothering.There is plenty of ways to fix super cars but it'll never happen because one team will always whinge that another teams got better tyres or better motor or better what ever,it'll continue to die a slow death. Pat

[Debacle]

Roger Penske confirms Ford’s V8 exit | Auto Action (http://autoaction.com.au/roger-penske-ford-pulling-v8-supercars/?adbid=769409903114248&adbpl=fb&adbpr=204021419653102&adbsc=social_20141116_35706047)

[sjane]

Roger Penske confirms Ford’s V8 exit | Auto Action (http://autoaction.com.au/roger-penske-ford-pulling-v8-supercars/?adbid=769409903114248&adbpl=fb&adbpr=204021419653102&adbsc=social_20141116_35706047)

I'll be surprised and very disappointed if that remains the case in 2016.

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[sjane]

By the way, you know what GM enter NASCAR with? And what they use for a pacecar? I thought that was interesting.

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[CraigE]

The sooking started around 1983/4, then really started balling their eyes out in 1987, first year Holden never won a race or round of the champs.

Baz.

Yes but they did win Bathurst.:p

[d2dave]

By the way, you know what GM enter NASCAR with? And what they use for a pacecar? I thought that was interesting.

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No idea, so please enlighten me.

[Pickles2]

Roger Penske confirms Ford’s V8 exit | Auto Action (http://autoaction.com.au/roger-penske-ford-pulling-v8-supercars/?adbid=769409903114248&adbpl=fb&adbpr=204021419653102&adbsc=social_20141116_35706047)
Well, that can't be good for Aussie saloon car racing,...whatever the category, or in what configuration they race.
However, Penske is a MASSIVE plus for V8 Supercars, which is a far more credible competition with him, than without.
Like I've said, there's plenty of teams without factory backing, and there are many many new makes becoming more popular in the Aussie market place,......Who will be the next manufacturer to get involved?
Pickles.

[Debacle]

I think I read somewhere recently that Lexus was interested. Would be a good fit as they do sell a v8 powered sedan I am pretty sure.

Ford will be back I reckon, probably just sitting back and seeing how things go next year with the new tv deal and the new regulations to come in regarding configurations and engines in a couple of years. They have left before and came back.

[disco man]

The Nissan that you refer to was the most complex saloon car ever raced in Australia. It was unbeatable, and remember it was "hobbled".
If that car had continued to be developed, modern day V8 Supercars would not keep up with it either.
Gibson Motorsport did a mighty job with those cars, they were the fastest of their type in the world.
Pickles.

Jim Richards confirmed for Sydney NRMA 500 (http://www.v8supercars.com.au/news/championship/jim-richards-confirmed-for-sydney-nrma-500)

[disco man]

I think I read somewhere recently that Lexus was interested. Would be a good fit as they do sell a v8 powered sedan I am pretty sure.

Ford will be back I reckon, probably just sitting back and seeing how things go next year with the new tv deal and the new regulations to come in regarding configurations and engines in a couple of years. They have left before and came back.

Looks like Lexus is keen to play in the sandpit.

Lexus in (http://www.speedcafe.com/2014/11/26/lexus-high-level-v8-supercars-talks/)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Looks like Lexus is keen to play in the sandpit.

Lexus in (http://www.speedcafe.com/2014/11/26/lexus-high-level-v8-supercars-talks/)So it's going to stop being taxi racing and will become hire car racing!

That sure has to be something not to miss

[CraigE]

I think the whole concept is certain of failure in the future if they go down the path they appear to. They did this some years ago with the 2 litre Stupid Tourers. It was a dismal failure, lost mega amounts of money and $. It is ok for the elitist to stand here and say the competition will be better for it but most Australians do not drive high end Toyota lexus, Volvo S60s that you cannot buy, Nissan Altimas that you cannot buy, Mercs no one can afford and Mustangs probably that no one can afford and further on Camaros maybe. The fans that dont drive these cars will eventually fall away leaving generally only the tossers that own similar cars to those being raced and it will be all over.
Unless something drastic changes, supporters will support different makes for a while but eventually will walk away from the sport.
I know it is not all Supercars fault that Furd and Holden are pulling up stumps, but it is what it is. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, then you have taken too many drugs cause ducks dont talk. Except for maybe ours.:angel::wasntme::angel::p

[Debacle]

I think the whole concept is certain of failure in the future if they go down the path they appear to. They did this some years ago with the 2 litre Stupid Tourers. It was a dismal failure, lost mega amounts of money and $. It is ok for the elitist to stand here and say the competition will be better for it but most Australians do not drive high end Toyota lexus, Volvo S60s that you cannot buy, Nissan Altimas that you cannot buy, Mercs no one can afford and Mustangs probably that no one can afford and further on Camaros maybe. The fans that dont drive these cars will eventually fall away leaving generally only the tossers that own similar cars to those being raced and it will be all over.
Unless something drastic changes, supporters will support different makes for a while but eventually will walk away from the sport.
I know it is not all Supercars fault that Furd and Holden are pulling up stumps, but it is what it is. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, then you have taken too many drugs cause ducks dont talk. Except for maybe ours.:angel::wasntme::angel::p

As long as it is entertaining I don't mind. The whole win on Sunday, sell on Monday mentality is gone.
Would be good if there were some differences in the cars though.
One of my lasting memories of Bathurst is around 1979/80, watching Peter Williamson battle with one of the Falcons late in the race. The Celica had it all over him over the mountain but the Falcon would just blast past him down Conrod, then over the mountain the Celica would get past him.
That was entertainment compared to this follow the leader racing we get these days. While parity is important, we need to see some decent battles between cars that have different strengths and weaknesses.

[d2dave]

So it's going to stop being taxi racing and will become hire car racing!

That sure has to be something not to miss

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean you have to bag it. Many people do and please stop calling them taxis.

[VladTepes]

Bathurst was always better when there were various classes of vehicles out there. Jags, minis, lotus cortinas....

MUCH better than simple red vs blue racing.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean you have to bag it. Many people do and please stop calling them taxis.Its all same ol same ol.

Soon it will be like Nascar when even the body shape is pretend.

It was an interesting and watchable format, as others have said, when there were cars out there on the Bathurst track that you could go into the local car dealer and buy. One brand was up one year and a different one next year. The skill of the driver to utilise their car's abilities to its best advantage was what made the competition interesting and importantly watchable.

Now they're so different from what you can buy and drive on the road and the specifications of the vehicle so regulated it may as well be F1.

BTW: it wasn't me who coined the term taxi racing, but the term fits so well.

[disco man]

As said earlier win on Sunday sell on Monday has no meaning any more.

Ford: ?V8 Supercars has no bearing on sales? | Auto Action (http://autoaction.com.au/ford-v8-supercars-bearing-sales/)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

As said earlier win on Sunday sell on Monday has no meaning any more.

Ford: ?V8 Supercars has no bearing on sales? | Auto Action (http://autoaction.com.au/ford-v8-supercars-bearing-sales/)Well that is stating the blatantly obvious!

Ford has every intention of leaving Australia as a manufacturer and has no intention of spending money on sponsoring Ford Australia products. So they put out a press release that the expense of Ford Motorsport isn't reflecting in sales of Ford cars, what else would they say?

Second blatantly obvious factoid. Sales of production model V8 cars is not related to the the success or failure of mega-dollar racing cars bearing almost nothing but the same badge. The public isn't stupid they know that the race cars are nothing like the production cars so don't buy the production car based upon the other. Where's the news in that?

.

[CraigE]

As long as it is entertaining I don't mind. The whole win on Sunday, sell on Monday mentality is gone.
Would be good if there were some differences in the cars though.
One of my lasting memories of Bathurst is around 1979/80, watching Peter Williamson battle with one of the Falcons late in the race. The Celica had it all over him over the mountain but the Falcon would just blast past him down Conrod, then over the mountain the Celica would get past him.
That was entertainment compared to this follow the leader racing we get these days. While parity is important, we need to see some decent battles between cars that have different strengths and weaknesses.

I sort of agree, but if fans cannot relate to the cars they will eventually walk away. It may take few years to happen as people will be interested for a while but that will die off and all that will be left is genuine vehicle manufacturer supporters that will not be enough to sustain the sport. Dont get me wrong I like a mix in the sport but cars you cannot even remotely buy is a formula doomed for failure unless we are as stupid as Americans and watch mega boring Nascar. MMM on second thoughts based on that it may be likely to succeed.:wasntme::angel:

[VladTepes]

I sort of agree, but if fans cannot relate to the cars they will eventually walk away.

Yes but given these days the number of Falcon and Commodore owners is at a historical low I think that having other marques will INCREASE the chance of more of the population identifying with cars that are in the race.

Bring back the Jags !

[Pickles2]

Don't worry about the knockers guys, ya'll always get 'em no matter what the subject.
Yes, I'll agree, the fate of V8 Supercars, down the track, may not look particularly bright, that aspect not being of V8 Supercars making, rather it is caused by the DREADFUL decline of the manufacturing industry in Australia, with the consequence of an extreme lack of companies able to offer a reasonable sponsorship dollar. Who's fault is that?...Not for this thread!!!,..It's been violently debated in other threads!
Nevertheless V8 Supercars is what it is, & for anyone to say that several of the last races have not been exciting, then of course they can, but they obviously have no real interest, & are of the "knocker" variety who would find fault with anything.
So, I look forward to 2015 with Marcos, Penske etc, & also to see if Jamie & 888 can continue their dominance. I say, look out for HRT this year.
Pickles.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I have no idea who currently sponsors V8 supacarz these days, but manufacturer sponsorship hasn't always been the fabric of the racing formula. In fact in the heyday of the event the largest Holden team was sponsored by a group of Holden Dealers rather than GMH themselves.

Based upon that fact alone the departure of Ford Motorsport shouldn't be any more alarming than the departure of Masterton Homes or Benson and Hedges. Commodore and Falcon are also departing into history so there will be both new "marques" of megadollar racing cars and sponsors wanting exposure on TV.

Just for me, in the current formula, it no longer holds any interest. I do remember fondly the many days sitting in front of Channel 7 watching the Armstrong 500 or the Hardie-Ferrodo 1000 but not V8 whatever. (My housemate does however watch V8 supreecarz)

[disco man]

Things are still looking good.
http://www.v8supercars.com.au/news/championship/cams-reveals-the-mighty-impact-of-motorsport

John Bowe: Exciting times for our sport (http://www.v8supercars.com.au/news/championship/john-bowe-exciting-times-for-our-sport)

[disco man]

The original FG V8 supercar.

Saturday Sleuthing: The Original FG Falcon V8 Supercar (http://www.v8supercars.com.au/news/championship/saturday-sleuthing-the-original-fg-falcon-v8-supercar)

[Tombie]

Boring code of racing, filled with Primal bogun supporters...

Falsely identified vehicles that contain nothing of the street versions, and often not even parts manufactured by suppliers to the brand name builders.

Its tedious, repetitive and outdated in its current form...

V8 Super Taxis... Crap cars in a crap competition :cool:

And yes, owned and driven both, and..

Was a Scrutineer for CAMs so ive been in, over, under these things...
Met the drivers, crew chiefs, mechanics, team owners...

Was a fun and interesting race format pre the current form...

Most enjoyable form of racing was the Production Car class which was (still is?) running back then - cars you could essentially buy on Monday..

Now, all I want is to hear that Volvo kick arse! :cool:


Holden and Ford built poor quality vehicles to a sub standard of their overseas counterparts for decades - lacking features available overseas standard for less...
Poor panel gaps, rattles bloody everywhere... sub standard paint and rust proofing....

As an example - Finally as they exit manufacturing in AUS, GMH has built a world class vehicle...

[disco man]

We all knew it was coming

Official: Ford out of V8 Supercars! (http://www.v8supercars.com.au/news/championship/official-ford-out-of-v8-supercars)

[Pickles2]

Boring code of racing, filled with Primal bogun supporters...

Falsely identified vehicles that contain nothing of the street versions, and often not even parts manufactured by suppliers to the brand name builders.

Its tedious, repetitive and outdated in its current form...

V8 Super Taxis... Crap cars in a crap competition :cool:

And yes, owned and driven both, and..

Was a Scrutineer for CAMs so ive been in, over, under these things...
Met the drivers, crew chiefs, mechanics, team owners...

Was a fun and interesting race format pre the current form...

Most enjoyable form of racing was the Production Car class which was (still is?) running back then - cars you could essentially buy on Monday..

Now, all I want is to hear that Volvo kick arse! :cool:


Holden and Ford built poor quality vehicles to a sub standard of their overseas counterparts for decades - lacking features available overseas standard for less...
Poor panel gaps, rattles bloody everywhere... sub standard paint and rust proofing....

As an example - Finally as they exit manufacturing in AUS, GMH has built a world class vehicle...
Well, I'd pretty much disagree with all of that.
I've been involved in motor racing too, & I've seen the ups & downs in various classes over thee years. I can remember around 90/91 in the Group A era when there were ony NINE cars on the grid for the Sandown 500,...Holden did not run, because their VN Group A could not compete!
It's certainly not outdated, & if you listen to some of the drivers that come here to compete in the Endurance rounds, they all say, that it's an absolute ripper formula, & they love driving the cars. If you watched Bathurst this year, you would've heard that repeatedly.
Future of the sport. Well, owing to the terrible state of industry in Australia, there is a massive shortage of dollars for sponsorship, so many teams are doing it tough,..some may even do it tougher next year,...money is super tight.
And that is a major problem as I see it,...sponsorship,....and it ain't got nothing to do with V8 Supercars, money is simply tight. Not only in Aus,.....2 F1 Teams have recently gone into liquidation.
Interesting times ahead.
Pickles.

[Tombie]

Let's face it, if the Taxi makers had a market for their vehicles (obviously they weren't selling in volume to sustain the facilities) then more people would likely have supported the brands that the code promoted.

But they didn't - they built cars the market wasn't buying for 10-15 years, at prices in part due to fleecing the Aus public and partly due to workers being paid exorbitant wages to work a production line.

These have driven the brands offshore, and not building what the majority public want drove sales through the floor.

Most die hard fans don't have the current or even previous models by these makers (economic reality at the moment) and 'support' the brand but not at a level (sales) that supports the businesses.

Whyalla is a prime example.

Lots of old Commodores adored by their owners, a few GTS HSVs for those middle aged boy racers with good salaries... And a large number of small vehicles. I30 and I35s are prolific. And then... All the mid-high range earners drive Euros A3,A5, X3,X5, A7, Amarok, Merc..

The off-roaders; D4s, RRS, Evoque (several), and the South Africans seem to love the Jeeps...

Interestingly most watch Bathurst, but little other.

[Tombie]

Pickles - appreciate your feedback..

Can I ask, which bits do you *agree* with..

It's common knowledge our vehicles have been poorly optioned, overpriced for local market and poorly finished right up until recent times - the VF is the level of vehicle they should have been making in 2000.

Then you have 2 vehicles and neither runs the engine available to market in them (not power but engine itself)

Up until recently you (again) couldn't buy a Ford V8..

Yes, sponsorship makes these things - not sure where that will go...

[disco man]

Boring code of racing, filled with Primal bogun supporters...

Falsely identified vehicles that contain nothing of the street versions, and often not even parts manufactured by suppliers to the brand name builders.

Its tedious, repetitive and outdated in its current form...

V8 Super Taxis... Crap cars in a crap competition :cool:

And yes, owned and driven both, and..

Was a Scrutineer for CAMs so ive been in, over, under these things...
Met the drivers, crew chiefs, mechanics, team owners...

Was a fun and interesting race format pre the current form...

Most enjoyable form of racing was the Production Car class which was (still is?) running back then - cars you could essentially buy on Monday..

Now, all I want is to hear that Volvo kick arse! :cool:


Holden and Ford built poor quality vehicles to a sub standard of their overseas counterparts for decades - lacking features available overseas standard for less...
Poor panel gaps, rattles bloody everywhere... sub standard paint and rust proofing....

As an example - Finally as they exit manufacturing in AUS, GMH has built a world class vehicle...

Pre current format,Group A Ford Sierra,Not sold in Australia, Nissan GTR,road version completely different to the race version, Ford Mustang,Not sold in Australia, Stupid rules that resulted in either a Sierra or Nissan winning. How was that more interesting?

[isuzurover]

...rules that resulted in either a Sierra or Nissan winning. How was that more interesting?[/SIZE]

well it was more interesting to me. I stopped watching when they banned the other makes.

[Pickles2]

Pickles - appreciate your feedback..

Can I ask, which bits do you *agree* with..

It's common knowledge our vehicles have been poorly optioned, overpriced for local market and poorly finished right up until recent times - the VF is the level of vehicle they should have been making in 2000.

Then you have 2 vehicles and neither runs the engine available to market in them (not power but engine itself)

Up until recently you (again) couldn't buy a Ford V8..

Yes, sponsorship makes these things - not sure where that will go...
No worries at all. But I'm pretty much with you on this post.
I know what you're saying about the quality of our cars etc, & also that the VF is what they should've been making years ago.
I think one needs to remember that there are more brands & models of vehicles sold here than anywhere else in the world,...everything is sold here, so there's huge competition.
But look, to be honest, for the size & performance of a Commodore/Falcon, they're not such a bad car. The V8s go pretty hard, & there's plenty on the road that've done big ks & still are going well.
The last "good" car I owned was an AMG C63, & sure, it was a great car, but it cost a bloody fortune, I could've bought a Commodore that went nearly as hard for a third of the price. Before that we had a VZ GTO 6L,..a magnificent car, beautifully built, top quality,..it had fewer rattles than the C63?.....but they weren't overly popular.....Nothing at all wrong with the quality of that car.
Now, the "popular" cars that we have today. There's HEAPS of them aren't there?...But how many of them could be raced with their original powertrain?....None,...well they could I suppose, but they'd be terribly slow, so they'd have to be modified,....just like our V8s, they wouldn't bear much resemblance to the road car,.....and they wouldn't be as spectacular as a big V8.....that's what the O.S. drivers like about these cars,...big/powerful/not much rubber/very exciting to drive,...and watch.
I suppose one of the things that doesn't happen in V8 Supercars is that there's not a great deal of overtaking,..and that is because the cars are so close. But is that a bad thing, at least ya don't have someone winning by 6 laps like Brock did at Bathurst in '79.
But really, I just like the V8s, they're big, powerful & clumsy, but I enjoy watching them. Not only that, I appreciate the skill & personality of the drivers, the interaction, and sometimes the agro, between them.
However, I'm not saying that I didn't like production car racing, because I did, but with the difference between "production" cars at the moment, there'd have to be heaps of mods/restrictions on the cars to make them "even", ....I mean, what cars would race and how would they compete?
I'm not saying V8 Supercars is "Heaven Sent" or perfect etc, but I reckon it's about the best that can be done,.....I still believe most fans like V8s,...at the moment. In the future, with no V8s being sold,....I don't know.
Sponsorship is the BIG worry, & that is a BIG BIG worry. Whilst I do like the V8s, there must be HUGE financial pressure on most teams at the moment.
The Penske/Ambrose thing has been a big shot in the arm for the brand, just what it needed. On this aspect, I have a serious question for you,....I don't know the answer. Why do you think Penske got involved with V8 Supercars?
Pickles.

[VladTepes]

Why do you think Penske got involved with V8 Supercars?
Pickles.

To get his hands on the tech knowledge and perhaps even some of the people.

I'm sure he didn't do it because of DJ's magnetic personality and business acumen ::)

[Pickles2]

To get his hands on the tech knowledge and perhaps even some of the people.

I'm sure he didn't do it because of DJ's magnetic personality and business acumen ::)
"tech knowledge & people",....Of course, he needed both to get into V8 Supercars, but that was not the point of my question.
My question was "Why did Roger Penske decide to get involved with V8 Supercars"?
Pickles.

[disco man]

Regardless if you like the current format or not,this article is a very good read.

TIMELINE: Ford's Australian touring car history - Speedcafe (http://www.speedcafe.com/2014/12/01/timeline-ford-history-australian-touring-cars/)

[shanegtr]

People dont want a big car.
I dont 100% buy into that comment. Yes theres no shortage of smaller sedans and hatchbacks running around nowdays, theres also no shortage of 200 series cruisers, prados and every brand of 4wd duel cab running around on the streets so people are still buying big cars. And its not the fuel consumption thing either - last time I looked the selling cars where some of the heaviest on fuel in their respective classes.

Volvo seem to be having no issues with the racing attracting sales and new buyers:
Volvo S60 sales boosted by V8 Supercars entry, says company (http://www.caradvice.com.au/290539/volvo-s60-sales-boosted-by-v8-supercars-entry-says-company/)

To me the current most entertaining form of "production" racing is the V8 utes. Theres no shortage of background work to keep parity in that class either. However with the demise of the local V8 ute manufacturing they to are looking at building a control chassis with manufacturers panels - potentially diesel engines too last I read......

[isuzurover]

Holden and Ford local production failed to adapt to the market. Or they tried half arsed variants that were doomed to failure.

Their history is littered with half arsed attempts or "too little too late" stories in all the categories that are now the mainstay of the car market, namely:

4x4s
Diesels
4 cyls

[d2dave]

I suppose one of the things that doesn't happen in V8 Supercars is that there's not a great deal of overtaking,..and that is because the cars are so close. But is that a bad thing, at least ya don't have someone winning by 6 laps like Brock did at Bathurst in '79.


But watching them try can be entertaining. Watching a car following another at 160+ kph with 10mm between the bumpers and when trying to overtake often swapping paint.

Although not as fast as F1, to me far more entertaining as you don't get my above comments in F1.

[Pickles2]

Seee my post 64 and 69,..I mention "Sponsorship".
LATEST news,.......and terrible news, ...Nick Percat out of a drive next year,...reason,...lack of a sponsor.
It is a real worry, when you see a REALLY good young driver, with everything to offer, lose his ride.
Speedcafe has the details. Pickles.

[VladTepes]

"tech knowledge & people",....Of course, he needed both to get into V8 Supercars, but that was not the point of my question.
My question was "Why did Roger Penske decide to get involved with V8 Supercars"?
Pickles.

I mean snaffling ideas/ tech / good people to take back racing in the USA.

I doubt his commitment to 'whatever replaces v8 supercars' will be long term.

[Pickles2]

I mean snaffling ideas/ tech / good people to take back racing in the USA.

I doubt his commitment to 'whatever replaces v8 supercars' will be long term.
No, I wouldn't agree with that.
Plenty of good people in the States, and many of the engineers in V8 supercars are from Europe, so no, He wouldn't need to come here for any expertise in that area.
Penske owns the Western Star rights in Aus, & has also started up a mega truck rental business,....maybe something to do with that, or maybe the Series just appealed to him,...another challenge,...something else to win?
I really don't have any idea what the real reason is, but I'm bloody glad that He's in, because it's a HUGE shot in the arm for the brand.
Pickles.

[disco man]

I mean snaffling ideas/ tech / good people to take back racing in the USA.


I doubt his commitment to 'whatever replaces v8 supercars' will be long term.

I doubt a man of his standing in Motorsport would commit to anything he would not be a success at,his record speaks for itself. He is here for the long haul and the sport will be better for it.

[disco man]

Seee my post 64 and 69,..I mention "Sponsorship".
LATEST news,.......and terrible news, ...Nick Percat out of a drive next year,...reason,...lack of a sponsor.
It is a real worry, when you see a REALLY good young driver, with everything to offer, lose his ride.
Speedcafe has the details. Pickles.

G'day Pickles,Not good news at all. As some teams have locked in sponsors for next season sadly some teams have not being able to. Volvo got Wilson Security,Redbull got Casio,BJR got Freightliner for Fabians car,Erebus got Nongshim. But it a shame Percat will not have a seat. Maybe some sort of deal can be done to take over Ingall's seat?

[disco man]

And this is why they had the nickname "Godzilla".

And Baz, the car wasn't banned. They outlawed turbo's.

Nissan wants bring back the turbos.

Nissan boss wants turbos in V8 Supercars | Auto Action (http://autoaction.com.au/nissan-boss-turbos-v8-supercars/)

[d2dave]

Nissan wants bring back the turbos.

Nissan boss wants turbos in V8 Supercars | Auto Action (http://autoaction.com.au/nissan-boss-turbos-v8-supercars/)

I wonder why?:)

[disco man]

I wonder why?:)

So the GTR Godzilla can blow everyone into the weeds again:( and they don't have to use the Nissan 'truck' engine anymore.

[pop058]

V8 Supercars open door to turbo V4s, V6s - News - SportsFan (http://www.sportsfan.com.au/v8-supercars-open-door-to-turbo-v4s,-v6s/tabid/91/newsid/149427/default.aspx?cid=BP_RSS_sport_7_-v8-supercars-open-door-to-turbo-v4s--v6s_031214)

[VladTepes]

Bugger turbos. Bring on superchargers !

[d2dave]

V8 Supercars open door to turbo V4s, V6s - News - SportsFan (http://www.sportsfan.com.au/v8-supercars-open-door-to-turbo-v4s,-v6s/tabid/91/newsid/149427/default.aspx?cid=BP_RSS_sport_7_-v8-supercars-open-door-to-turbo-v4s--v6s_031214)

That then means D4's can race.:)

[scarry]

So looks like we are going around in circles,back to a sort of old Group A.....

Rear wheel drive only,that cuts out the GTR,unless i suppose they remove a tailshaft.;)

[PAT303]

Back to the glory days,don't worry about the GTR,Nissan already race a RWD in Japan,this will start an argument but the RWD model is faster than the 4WD one,Toyota,Honda etc have tried to ban it as the cars are supposed to be based on road cars but Nissan doesn't have a car to suit so they got an exemption from the governing body to run a modded GTR,the others were fine with it until it started winning. Pat

[VladTepes]

I think the new rules are going to specify it must be based on a production car, and have back seats.

I hope Jag get involved they'll blow most of the others into the weeds !
And I'll finally have someone to barrack for. !

[PAT303]

The Bentley is coming to the 12hour. Pat

[disco man]

The blueprint for the new rules for those that are interested.

V8 Supercars blueprint for 2017 and beyond (http://www.v8supercars.com.au/news/championship/v8-supercars-blueprint-for-2017-and-beyond)

[pop058]

Although they do mention "4 door" in the release, the expression "4 seat" gets used as well. Does this mean we may get 2 door (4 seat) cars on the grid ??

[disco man]

Although they do mention "4 door" in the release, the expression "4 seat" gets used as well. Does this mean we may get 2 door (4 seat) cars on the grid ??

As far as I can tell the 2 door 4 seat lay-out will be Ok.

[pop058]

As far as I can tell the 2 door 4 seat lay-out will be Ok.

My money is on Penske running a Pony car in 2017 :)

[disco man]

My money is on Penske running a Pony car in 2017 :)

Yep,I can see it being the weapon of choice for the teams that want to run Fords.

[Debacle]

Yep,I can see it being the weapon of choice for the teams that want to run Fords.

Will depend probably on the best aero they can get out of a particular body shape. It's not about selling cars anymore, it's about winning and if a Mondeo or whatever is a better aero package then they will choose that. Their sponsors want them up the front regardless of what type of car it is.

[scarry]

So from 2017 on,no Falcon or Dunny door,as the vehicle has to be available for the public to buy new.

I thought they may have let them run on for a few years.

Interesting times.

[d2dave]

I think the new rules are going to specify it must be based on a production car, and have back seats.


Yep, this is what I read.

[disco man]

Will depend probably on the best aero they can get out of a particular body shape. It's not about selling cars anymore, it's about winning and if a Mondeo or whatever is a better aero package then they will choose that. Their sponsors want them up the front regardless of what type of car it is.

I am fairly sure the Mondeo is front wheel drive,and as far as I know the Falcon and Mustang are the only RWD sedans in Fords line-up.

[disco man]

Seee my post 64 and 69,..I mention "Sponsorship".
LATEST news,.......and terrible news, ...Nick Percat out of a drive next year,...reason,...lack of a sponsor.
It is a real worry, when you see a REALLY good young driver, with everything to offer, lose his ride.
Speedcafe has the details. Pickles.

Talking about sponsorship,I wonder which team will land these guys as a sponsor? If Monster is keen to take on Redbull some very lucky team is going to have a bit more cash to splash. But the article indicates it will be a leading team. I wonder who?

Monster Energy poised for V8 Supercars return - Speedcafe (http://www.speedcafe.com/2014/12/05/monster-energy-poised-v8-supercars-return/)

[shanegtr]

I am fairly sure the Mondeo is front wheel drive,and as far as I know the Falcon and Mustang are the only RWD sedans in Fords line-up.

Drive layout of the production car makes no difference to the race car as they will all be rear wheel drive regardless - no different to the current running altima and S60

[disco man]

I mean snaffling ideas/ tech / good people to take back racing in the USA.

I doubt his commitment to 'whatever replaces v8 supercars' will be long term.

He is well and truly committed and ready to make his mark.


No Cookies | Fox Sports News, Live Sport, Sports | Fox Sports (http://www.foxsports.com.au/motor-sport/v8-supercars/roger-penske-jets-in-top-team-of-racing-advisers-to-revolutionise-v8-supercars/story-fn2ms9um-1227145164718)

[disco man]

So looks like we are going around in circles,back to a sort of old Group A.....

Rear wheel drive only,that cuts out the GTR,unless i suppose they remove a tailshaft.;)

Group A you say, I hope they bring these cars to Townsville next year. I would love to see and hear that awesome V12 Jag screaming past the spot i sit every year:D

Golden era cars at the Sydney NRMA 500 (http://www.v8supercars.com.au/news/championship/golden-era-cars-at-the-sydney-nrma-500)

[VladTepes]

Thanks.

I suspect this:

In a huge shake-up for Australian motorsport, it can revealed the superstar Penske Racing outfit who, starting with this weekend’s Sydney 500, plan to completely revolutionise the sport.

revolution will, he plans, see him end up owning a large chunk of the sport itself.

[VladTepes]

I would love to see and hear that awesome V12 Jag screaming past

Oh yeah me too !!!!

[disco man]

Thanks.

I suspect this:


revolution will, he plans, see him end up owning a large chunk of the sport itself.

Maybe that's why he is coming here in the first place? Besides being one of the most successful racing moguls in the world he is also a very astute businessmen and maybe he can see an opportunity? I have no proof to back those claims up,but it does make an interesting thought.

[disco man]

FPR's loss Redbulls gain.

Lead FPR engineer defects to Red Bull - Speedcafe (http://www.speedcafe.com/2014/12/16/lead-fpr-engineer-defects-red-bull/)


Triple Eight boss confirms McPherson arrival - Speedcafe (http://www.speedcafe.com/2014/12/17/triple-eight-boss-confirms-mcpherson-arrival/)


Frosty loses race engineer (http://www.v8supercars.com.au/news/championship/frosty-loses-race-engineer)

[Debacle]

Interesting considering the way Roland Dane went off about hrt poaching Adrian burgess, labeling him a motor sport mercenary.

Sent from my GT-I9300 using AULRO mobile app

[disco man]

Interesting considering the way Roland Dane went off about hrt poaching Adrian burgess, labeling him a motor sport mercenary.

Sent from my GT-I9300 using AULRO mobile app

Yep,Old Roland certainly cracked the ****s when Adrian left. Tim Edwards and Roland are not the best of mates as it is,this move will strengthen that friendship:D

[disco man]

Testing on the final Falcon has begun.

New Falcon V8 Supercar undergoes maiden hit-out - Speedcafe (http://www.speedcafe.com/2014/12/19/new-falcon-v8-supercar-undergoes-maiden-hit/)

[disco man]

So looks like we are going around in circles,back to a sort of old Group A.....

Rear wheel drive only,that cuts out the GTR,unless i suppose they remove a tailshaft.;)

It looks like the godzilla is coming back.

Godzilla could return to Bathurst 1000 (http://www.v8supercars.com.au/news/championship/godzilla-could-return-to-bathurst-1000)

[scarry]

Nothing on 10 on the weekend,looks like it was all on Fox.

Wonder how it will go with the races,surely they will loose heaps of fans if that is the way it is gonna go.:(