Idiot revenue raising cops

[DiscoTDI]

Apparently the police in Gympie are writing out tickets to 4WD owners who have a spare wheel on the back of their vehicle. Get this, for obstructed view of the number plate. Of course its a crock of **** and seeing as there is a little item called a compliance plate installed on all of these vehicles they dont have a leg to stand on. But think of all the toyota drivers that will pay this fine.

All I can say is "Cops, you have sunk to an all time low, Dickheads"

Hope you have given all of your 4wd's tickets.


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[incisor]

there was a story about a similar incident two or three weeks ago.

number plates on new utes being to far under the tray

one guy got done and went to the police station to chat about and low and behold out the back in the staff carpark was a member of the forces 4wd, exactly same model, colour, tray etc etc etc

he wasnt impressed style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

dont put them all on the same plate mate...

there are police and there are Police!

[drivesafe]

Why can’t the A’holes concentrate on things like booking ******* that use the fog lights when not needed. This would probably win the cops points with the rest of us.
Cheers

[PeteH]

So whats new style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif The pigs are hitting us over here too :x
Its been going on for a while ..

[Mick-Kelly]

Sheeesh arnt all four wheel driver owners ******* and those with bull bars are just out to kill innocent pedestrians. Generalisations are great arnt they. You might also find a few of those generalisations own landys and post here aswell :twisted:
Long story short if youve got a ticket and you think your in the right take it to court and contest it. The coppers dont make the law they just see an infringement and issue a ticket. Dont be fooled by compliance plates either. Seevral vehicles slip through compliance with items that contradict "STATE" law.
cheers
Mick

[rmp]

Got to agree with Mick-Kelly, don't assume all officers of the law are nit-picking idiots. Far from it in my experience. The guys in the Vic Police 4WD Club are a top bunch, for example.

But if your car isn't compliant for whatever reason, that's your own fault. Oversize tyres, protrustions from the bullbar, obscured lights...you can't complain about that.

Then again, if you buy a new vehicle unmodified, you've got every right to expect it to be compliant.

cheers

[Moses]

Just the clowns in Gympie seem to be on some sort of ego trip.

[drivesafe]

Sorry Mick-Kelly, I could not disagree with more.
Yes the police have a job to do, the question is when are they going to start doing it.

In NSW and Vic, they have speed cameras everywhere and in Victoria, they only allow 2 or 3 KPH over before you can expect to get a fine.
I drive a $125,000 vehicle and there is no way that my speedo is that accurate so how on earth can the authorities expect a $15,000 Hyundai to have anything better and remember, it is the same authorities that approved these same vehicles for use on the respective state roads.

Now to further this point, the lying augment put forward by these 2 states is that these cameras will reduce the road toll.

First question is how can these cameras reduce the road toll when the vast majority of these cameras are NOT installed at black spots.
Second, only people who either forget that the camera is in a specific location or don’t know it’s there in the first place, are the ones who get booked. But they don’t get pulled over and toll to slow down while an officer writes them a speeding ticket. No they find out about it at least two weeks after the event. How is this reducing the road toll.

In Canada, they have removed the cameras because they found that people were spending so much time looking at their speedos and not at the road ahead, that they were actually causing accidents. In Canada, they now get the police to do the job the police use to do and this is what these cops in Gympie SHOULD be doing.

Just have a look at the accidents that make the news. It’s not the 4by or ute with the hard to see number plate thats involved in an accident. It’s the newbie driver in his WRX or what ever, who was doing double the speed limit when he managed to turn a light post into tooth pick while at the same time killing his girl friend and two mates.

Yes the actions of these cops will go a long way towards stopping this sort of carnage NOT.

I just read a posting on another forum where a guy got booked for doing 12 KPH in an 8 KPH zone in a caravan park, how is this either constructive or HONEST.

No Mick-Kelly, these are not the actions that the public expects honest cops to be doing state laws or not. If they were out pulling vehicles over for speeding or other reckless actions then I doubt there would be much argument about that sort of action by the police.

That’s my bitch.

[drivesafe]

BTW, I forgot to mention why I brought up about the speeding.
In the case of the cops in Gympie, what they were doing was not only morally wrong, and its not like they had nothing else to do. They should have been out policing the Pacific Highway in their area, because that section of the Pacific Highway is now the most dangerous section of National Highway 1 in all of Australia. So in their specific case, their actions were totally irresponsible and doing anything to protect the public.
Again, my bi*ch.

[rmp]

A couple of points to make:

Firstly, anyone that is booked for "2-3kmph over" is likely to be more like 7-10kmph over. This is because every car speedo I've checked with a GPS receiver indicates the speedo over-reads. So if it says 100, you're probably doing 95. There could be exceptions, but the cost of the vehicle has nothing to do with it. The logic is simple, no manufacturer wants to be sued for a speeding fine.

I agree with most of the post above but we need to differentiate between the policymakers and the implementors. The police on the street have a policy to comply with. If you have a problem with the policy, the people to see are the pollies and the senior police management.

If you're at a supermarket and think something is overpriced, no point taking it out on the shop assistant, see the manager who made the call.

Now that's not an exact analogy as the police obviously have discrentionary powers, but the principle does still apply.

So I for one do not support any derogatry remarks about policemen, nor do I blame them for the laws which they merely uphold. If there are incidents of power abuse or whatever, sure, let them have it then, but not in generalisations.

[Moses]

Actually, after Brisbane, it is the Bruce Highway, but you are quite right.

The ADR Design rule states that a vehicle speedo must not have an error exceeding +/- 10%. How can the Victorian police legally enforce speed limits within this margin - i.e. 1 or 2 Km over?

Does your speedo come with a certificate of calibration when you buy the car? Of course not. Does your dealer/repairer calibrate your speedo on a service and certify it? Of course not.

Tax collectors in uniform. Revenue raising. The governments rely on this income to pad out their pockets. Victorians are speeding less, therefore the threshold has been lowered to compensate for the loss of revenue.

Don't get me started on this! And no, I have not been booked recently. Last ticket was over 25 years ago. I just hate this blatant "road safety" propaganda when all it is, is revenue raising.

To all you FAFF's (Fat arsed Flat Foot). Get out of your camera vans, put away the confiscated porn, stop scoffing your free McDonalds and get your big fat arses into a prowl car and patrol the roads properly. Be highly visible. Nail the idiots that are doing the wrong thing, big time, and the leave the poor diligent driver who may slip 1 or 2 kay over on a down slope alone!

I drive 40,000 kay a year for a living and the number of idiots I see doing really dangerous stuff, every day, is unbelievable. Where are the FAFF? Hiding in a bush in an air conditioned Toymotor.

Revenue raising. Nothing more, nothing less!

There is a saying that not every cop in traffic branch is a DH, but every DH in the police force is in traffic branch....

The soap box is now free..... :evil: :evil:

[Moses]

Another thing, I do on occassions follow a police car on my way to work. Most stress free, easy runs I ever have!

There's proof for high visibility.

The soap box is free again....

[drivesafe]

Again rmp, I would have to disagree. The police should be held responsible for their actions or in many cases, lack of action.

Without pulling any punches here, these actions have to be the actions of a retard and I’m not talking about the cops issuing the tickets.

They would have been instructed to do this by a more senior officer and this is where the problem lies.

The senior officer should have enough brains, just by his position, to know what is in the publics best safe interest and what amounts to bloody mindedness that has absolutely no benefit to anybody but the state coffers.
Cheers.

[rmp]

<climbs back on the box>

I agree that there are other ways to lower the road toll than a pure focus on speed, and consider them revenue raising tools for the most part too. Although if you don't speed and observe road signs, there is no problem.

I still think we're generalising and tarring too many good cops with the bad brush, but I've made that point already.

[drivesafe]

Hi Moses, that I could not agree more with and is my argument about police out pulling up traffic offender. High visibility is one thing that would go more to making our roads safer than all other so called safety devices put together and multiplied a hundred times over, and I don’t mean that as an exaggeration..
Well put Moses

[Moses]

Don't get me wrong. I have the utmost respect for the police who are out there fighting crime, busting the drug rings, nailing the crooks and generally keeping the peace as best they can with the very limited resources available to them. I would help them in a second if I knew anything.

Traffic FAFF are not police. They are uniformed tax collectors.

We need a soap box about the size of the Sydney Opera House main stage....

I'll get off it now....

[Mick-Kelly]

I wont borrow the soap box but i will say a few things. Firstly im not traffic branch and the vast majority of cops out there will agree that speed cameras are innefective. Second we are an organisation that is driven by the public. In the case of the caravan park i would bet my disco that the station OIC was recieving heaps of complaints by either the manager or residents that people were speeding through there. Interestingly enough in Brisbane when i was there the camera on the gateway motorway would easily get 500+ tickets a day. Remember that this is a camera that is set to 11kph over, oviously the public dosent give a crap about speed linits. Regarding chasing real offenders - we do and we get them. Ive confiscated several vehicles for hoon offences for example. Problem is nobody hears or cares about this sort of stuff but if you issue a ticket to joe public for doing 10ks over in a caravan park he bleats long and loud about the injustice even though caravan parks are home and playground to heaps of kids. Ive certainly got no sympathy for them. Long and short i f i have to obey the rules why doesnt everyone else.
my 2 and a half cents
cheers
Mick

[drivesafe]

Mick-Kelly I would not swap jobs with you for the world, I know how honest police get treated by the public but these actions don’t help.

This is not obeying the rules, in the case of the caravan park, this is stupidity taken to extremes.

Next time you are in your car, 4by, bus or what ever. Start by driving slowly and first off, see how fast you have to go before your speedo even registers that the vehicles is moving.

Second, once you have a reading, work out how much time you spent looking at your speedo and not looking out ahead of your vehicle.

Now put your self in the place of this guy who got booked and work out roughly how many children you would have run over while looking at your speedo in an attempting to comply with the law.

This guy was not doing 40 or even 30 KPH. He was driving responsibly and this fact is now documented by way of a speeding find that states so.

Again the same authority that enforce these laws also authorise the registration of all vehicles on the road even if these same vehicles can not comply with the law.

I agree with you when you say if you obey the law you have no problems and I love it when the finds are increased and every one starts to bi*ch about it. If you don’t speed then the increase has no effect on your pocket.

But the instances posted here are not relating to wilful stupidity, these are people going about their lives thinking they were behaving responsibly. The same can not be said about the actions of the police involved.

I to believe that most police go about the duties in an honest manor, this does not excuse the actions of the other cops and these actions go a long way to giving the police departments in different states, a black eye that will not go away.

Cheers

[Moses]

As I said, nail the idiots big time, and yes I laugh long and loud when I see the goats being booked. Speeding in areas such as schools, road works, shared zones, shopping centres, small villages and the like also get a very big thumbs down from me. I'm usually 3-5 kays under the limit in those kinds of areas. On the highways, I'm usually 1 or 2 kays under according to both the speedo and the GPS. Even on the bike, I follow my same rules. If some goat rides my rear, I let ´em by. I'm never in that much of a hurry to get from point a to point b.

I need my license for work and for pleasure. If I lose it, I lose my life style in more ways than I really want to consider, and in my opinion, speeding fines are entirely voluntary! Don't speed. Dead easy for me.

It makes it really difficult when the speed zones in Qld are 40, 50, 60 ,70, 80, 90, 100 or 110 Km/hr. In a high traffic environment, when a fair bit is happening around you, it would be easy to miss a sign indicating, say 60 when coming out of a 70 zone. That is the real hazard of being pinged. Am I being a dangerous driver? I don't think so. I am looking out for my own well being, and as a result, I might miss a sign. Fortunately, I haven't been nailed on the very rare occassion where I suddenly realise I was doing 68 (and still generally a bit slower than everyone else) in a 60 zone.

Remember when there were only three zones? 35, 45 and 60 MILES per hour. Even as a kid riding in the family car, I could take an uneducated guess at the possible speed limit and get it right pretty much most of the time just by looking at the surrounding environment. These days? Not chance! In a built up area it could be 40, 50, 60, 70 or 80 Km/hr. Unless you spot every single sign, you won't know and can't make an educated guess either.

And I have also gotten some very filthy looks from the FAFF for 60 in a 60 zone when the rest are doing 75. So ít seems I am damned for obeying the traffic code and damned for breaking it.

I don't believe that the traffic FAFF in Qld are quite so zealous about ticketing for 1 or 2 kay over as they are in Vic, and increasingly, in NSW, but it will come, I'm sure.

[p38arover]

Originally posted by rmp
A couple of points to make:

Firstly, anyone that is booked for "2-3kmph over" is likely to be more like 7-10kmph over. This is because every car speedo I've checked with a GPS receiver indicates the speedo over-reads. So if it says 100, you're probably doing 95. There could be exceptions, but the cost of the vehicle has nothing to do with it. The logic is simple, no manufacturer wants to be sued for a speeding fine.

My P38A speedo reads 1 km/h high at 100km/h - according to my GPS.

Ron

[landrovermick]

As discretion is the better part of valour and not wanting to stoop to the lowest levels of childishness, I have deleted this post -

Mick

[DiscoTDI]

I have not directed this at all cops, as the title states "Idiot revenue raising cops" and I stand by that comment, take it anyway you want but it comes down to the morons that said we will now target and inconvenience innocent motorists. The vehicles they are pulling over are 2004 pajeros, landrovers etc etc, brand new unmodified australian compliant vehicles. this was not brought up about the idiot in the hilux with tyres that stick out 1/2 a foot each side. We are talking the same vehicles that the police have on their fleet.

This is a town that would see more 4wds than probably any other major town due to the fact that it is the way to tin can bay if you dont know the beach way. How much money do you think that they will add to the christmas fund with this pathetic stunt.


I do not stand down from any comment, this is a petty, pathetic, useless waste of time and I think that anyone who instegated this should be sacked.

And before anyone starts going on about compliance laws, If your vehicle is complianced a certain way in Australia and you do not change it from that spec, for e.g. vehicles that were built back in the day without seatbelts. These vehicles are then exempt from any changes that may occur at a later date.

btw. I have the upmost respect for the boys & girls in blue and I am the first to defend them and if I get caught doing something wrong I accept it. Unfortunatley though this sort of stunt pulled by "managment" makes the rest of the force have to put up with more crap on the road.

anyone else want the soapbox now :twisted:

[landrovermick]

Mate Im not asking you to stand away from you comment. The fact is Law is all about interpretation, if some fools sees fit to book perople because of the way he or she has interpreted the law be assured that he will no doubt get his time in court. That my friend is where the changes are made..... precedence will no doubt be set the first time someone gets a matter to court. See thats the thing if ther eare complaining and moaning but not taking it to court - what else was wrong or why was attention drawn to their vehicle , I would recon - as in the case of the caravan park that there is more than first meets the eye here.

Regards
Mick

[Maggot4x4]

Mick, I have to agree with about 98% of what you have said.

Just yesterday I was witness to a sickening accident where a young kid was playing in the car (that was running), put it in reverse, panicked, flew out of the driveway backwards, 200m down the street, up the gutter, through a fence, just missed an electricity junction box and slammed into a pine tree at about 50kph. It the tree wasn't there it would have gone straight through the house.

The cops can have the worst job in the world and if I am ever pulled over I ALWAYS treat them with the respect they deserve.

BUT, just like in life, it is the one bad apple that spoils it for the rest.

There is a highway cop in Hornsby that hates 4x4's. He will pull over everyone he can and even goes as far as harassing the local 4x4 shops.

It is not fair that all coppers get tarred with the same brush, we, as 4WDrivers, hate it when it happens to us. If you have issues with the laws, take it up with the pollies, have a go at your local federal and state members, not the poor coppers that are doing what they are told.

Give them the courtesy they deserve, and, on the odd occasion you meet a bad one, take it to court. Trust me, Judges know who they are, because it is always the same ones being argued against.

Sorry Maggox4x4 I just edited and delited my quote from your post, in the interest of maintining harmony of the site

Mick

[drivesafe]

What is it with police, that sob posting of yours is just about word exact to the ad campaign the police run a few years ago in Qld when they wanted a pay rise.

Please, it still doesn't get you lot to do your job honestly and by honestly, I’m talking about moral honesty.

I lived in NSW for a good few years and was on the receiving end of crooked cops and a bent ICAC so don’t give that sob story.

DiscoTDi’s posting raises a valid augment and as I stated, I have been on the receiving end of crooked cops and this was take to court where I was take to the cleaners.

You see I was on the most wanted list in NSW.
I robbed banks, raped nuns, littered the sidewalk and was generally a pain in the A. Actually the the last was what happened. I and my neighbours attempted to protect our homes from a crooked developer and crooked council but what we didn’t know was that a number of cops were involved in the development and the first chance they had to set one of us up, they did.

Unfortunately for me it was me.

I spent a fortune trying to get a fair hearing in court only to be told by my barrister that the cops had done such a good job stitching me up, the only thing I could do was to try and get a deal with the prosecutor.

Have you ever seen those stories on TV where a person is innocent but the only way to guaranty not to end up in jail, is to plead guilty and you think to yourself no one would do that. Well wait till it happens to you.

I was lucky in one respect, the judge was not impressed with the way the cops had behaved and set the penalty up so I could reduce most of the finds. I ended up with a criminal record for something I did not do and the cops succeeded in scaring the rest of the nieghbourhood off and they got the crooked development.

At the time, I know a couple of cops in the city where this occurred. I asked a sergeant about the cops I was up against and he said he couldn’t say anything about other cops BUT none of the police on his watch would ever work with cops on the other watches.

So tell me, if the cops don’t trust one another, what hope does Joe Public have.

I don’t dislike all cop, I just don’t trust ANY of them and have no time for them and the actions of the cops in Gympie does nothing to change this opinion.

[Maggot4x4]

Originally posted by drivesafe
What is it with police, that sob posting of yours is just about word exact to the ad campaign the police run a few years ago in Qld when they wanted a pay rise.

Please, it still doesn't get you lot to do your job honestly and by honestly, I’m talking about moral honesty.

I lived in NSW for a good few years and was on the receiving end of crooked cops and a bent ICAC so don’t give that sob story.

DiscoTDi’s posting raises a valid augment and as I stated, I have been on the receiving end of crooked cops and this was take to court where I was take to the cleaners.

You see I was on the most wanted list in NSW.
I robbed banks, raped nuns, littered the sidewalk and was generally a pain in the A. Actually the the last was what happened. I and my neighbours attempted to protect our homes from a crooked developer and crooked council but what we didn’t know was that a number of cops were involved in the development and the first chance they had to set one of us up, they did.

Unfortunately for me it was me.

I spent a fortune trying to get a fair hearing in court only to be told by my barrister that the cops had done such a good job stitching me up, the only thing I could do was to try and get a deal with the prosecutor.

Have you ever seen those stories on TV where a person is innocent but the only way to guaranty not to end up in jail, is to plead guilty and you think to yourself no one would do that. Well wait till it happens to you.

I was lucky in one respect, the judge was not impressed with the way the cops had behaved and set the penalty up so I could reduce most of the finds. I ended up with a criminal record for something I did not do and the cops succeeded in scaring the rest of the nieghbourhood off and they got the crooked development.

At the time, I know a couple of cops in the city where this occurred. I asked a sergeant about the cops I was up against and he said he couldn’t say anything about other cops BUT none of the police on his watch would ever work with cops on the other watches.

So tell me, if the cops don’t trust one another, what hope does Joe Public have.

I don’t dislike all cop, I just don’t trust ANY of them and have no time for them and the actions of the cops in Gympie does nothing to change this opinion.

We are talking about two totally different things.

Unless you are saying all cops are bent?

The situation you just explained has no relevance the highway patrol. I feel for you if you were genuinely innocent, but, once again I will state, don't let the actions of a few ruin the name of the majority of honest and hard working cops out there.

Injustice s h i t s me as much as anyone, but without someone to enforce the laws we have anarchy. Just look at the Middle East!

[Maggot4x4]

And just so you know, I have put about 5k into the Bob Carr Benevolent Fund over the years, I am no saint, but the one time I got pinged incorrectly, the system worked and I got off! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif .!..

[drivesafe]

Actually Maggot4x4, they are related, as the trumped up charges were criminal traffic violations and was posted as an example of how, whether the cops are bent or not, the police will do anything they want, but the right thing. They have the power to make our roads safer and they more that anything else are responsible for the state our roads are in from the point of view that people can do anything they want and the cops will either not do anything about it or if it is in their interest, they can go to extremes.
And I did not say I believed all cops are bent, I not privilaged to that sort of imformation.

[Ace]

The police here arent to bad, just a couple of arrogant dickheads who think they are better than everyone else. The local seargant has just joined the 4wd club i am in, top bloke. Matt

[LandyAndy]

I was always brought up to think policemen were pigs Aholes etc.When I was young and stupid I also thought this must be tru as they were "picking on me",but in fact I was the WALLY.
Nowdays,living in a small country town and actually seeing what Policemen do,they are top blokes,they do a heap for the local community,in work AND IN THEIR OWN TIME.
If you do get a ticket,you probably deserve it.The coppers probably have one of the worst jobs in our society,somebody has to do their work.Ask yourself WOULD YOU DO IT???
Andrew

[Ace]

Originally posted by LandyAndy
I was always brought up to think policemen were pigs Aholes etc.When I was young and stupid I also thought this must be tru as they were "picking on me",but in fact I was the WALLY.
Nowdays,living in a small country town and actually seeing what Policemen do,they are top blokes,they do a heap for the local community,in work AND IN THEIR OWN TIME.
If you do get a ticket,you probably deserve it.The coppers probably have one of the worst jobs in our society,somebody has to do their work.Ask yourself WOULD YOU DO IT???
Andrew

I get the same sort of thing at school, when i bust kids doing the wrong thing, its my job to do something about it. But when i do, i am the bastard, the fact that the kid is smoking in the toilets or out of school grounds without permission etc doesnt occur to them, its always the teachers fault. Matt

[landrovermick]

As discretion is the better part of valour and not wanting to stoop to the lowest levels of childishness, I have deleted this post -

Mick

[Ace]

Is that for real DS, if it is you could make a movie out of that.
I trust everyone until they give me reason not to, i like everyone until they give me reason not to. If i was a straight cop surrounded by bent ones i wouldnt say much either, if you dob in your own you can kiss good bye you your carreer, just transfer somwhere else. Matt

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[landrovermick]

Sorry guys I have edited a couple of posts to remove quotes of a post or two that I have removed.

I chose to share some things whith you blokes and was likened to an advert for a pay rise that the QPOL had chosen to run.

Fact is for those of you who read my post - the things I mentioned have happened to me they were from direct experience, nothing less. Its not often that I share of my experiences as a cop - as most of us do.

I thought I could share here being a pretty safe forum, but I guess It was too much of a "SOB story", in future Ill be a little more selective about what I write -

Sorry, thanks and regards

Mick

[Ace]

Originally posted by landrovermick
Sorry guys I have edited a couple of posts to remove quotes of a post or two that I have removed.

I chose to share some things whith you blokes and was likened to an advert for a pay rise that the QPOL had chosen to run.

Fact is for those of you who read my post - the things I mentioned have happened to me they were from direct experience, nothing less. Its not often that I share of my experiences as a cop - as most of us do.

I thought I could share here being a pretty safe forum, but I guess It was too much of a "SOB story", in future Ill be a little more selective about what I write -

Sorry, thanks and regards

Mick

No sweat mick.
Sorry mick, i miss read the quote boxes, I thought it was Drivesafe who wrote the original. Sounds like you got the wrong end of the stick mate.

Matt

[p38arover]

I wouldn't be a copper for quids. I see them attending for all the dregs of society that seem to gravitate towards our railway stations (and that doesn't include the public! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif ). Add to that - one would have to go to places where people smoke.

I've never had a problem with the police in 40 years of driving. I've been booked once for speeding (by a camera) at 67 in a 60km/h zone at 6am on a weekend - I was travelling with the flow and didn't know the area. But I suppose it makes up for all the other times I've been speeding and not been pulled over.

Actually, your chances of being pulled over. There just isn't a lot of them out on the road. If one could listen to the police bands on a scanner, one would hear that they are hard pressed to handle even the work they are getting from the radio room.

A good site to check out is a NSW Highway Patrol officer's website at http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/spooky/ (I think - I can't check as it is blocked by our work system). You can get to it from http://thrashcar.com/articles/article.asp?articleID=96

Ron

[drivesafe]

Hi landrovermick, I’m not apologising about my “Sob Story” comment.
I, like others have stated on this post would not swap jobs with you for all the tea in China and for the very reasons you posted, BUT this post was about the misuse and abuse of the road laws by police that DO have a choice in what they do. It was not about situations that neither the police or the public have control over. For better or worse, you must have known what to expect when you chose the job your in.

DiscoTDI pointed out that police in Gympie were acting as no more than state treasury agents and my post was about crooked police using road laws to run an extortion racket.
Unlike LanyAndy, As a child, I was brought up to respect the police. My views changed because of events that occurred in my adult life. I have a healthy respect for the powers that police have but as I posted earlier,
I no longer trust any police.
Cheers

[VladTepes]

I throw this in purely as food for thought, and NOT as burley.

Re: Speed Cameras being manned by police.
I'd be interested to know what you think of proposals to staff speed cameras with civilians rather than police ? What implications would this have do you think ?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that police staff radar cameras on an 'overtime' basis. In any event a private 'contractor' would no doubt be paid less than a policeman doing the same job. If this is true, it's probably the goverments idea to reduce the cost of running the cameras. Hey, then they'd be able to afford more of them.....

Re: Cops being arseholes.
Sure, some are. Some Land Rover owners are. Even some Hilux drivers are :wink: style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif It's a fact of life that in any group of individuals there will be all sorts of personality types. It's not fair of course to broaden this generalisatrion.

Re: Traffic cops in Gympie.
Yes, in my experience while I have never been booked in Gympie, they are terriers. Their location on the route to Rainbow Beach means that many four wheel drives will get booked. On the other hand, the % of 4wd's on those roads are much higher than the general freeway, suburbs etc precisely becuase it's the route to Rainbow. Therefore one might expect to see more 4wd's being booked.

Re: Police Discretion. In many cases police don't have the discretion you might imagine. This occurs in any law enforcement role. If an officer was seen, for example, to be letting a lot of people off tickets then it might reasonably be asked why he isn't doing his job (the job being, in this case, to enforce the speed limit)

Re: Favouritism.
A close family friend and direct neighbour of my folks, is a Highway Patrol officer. When I was still living at home he booked me for speeding less than 1km from my place. Was I ****ed off? ABsolutely I was? But there was no way I could argue that he was not doing the right thing. Would you be happy if you thought you were being charged while friends of the police officer were not ? So this guy was doing exactly what was required of his job description.

[Yabbie]

Not once in any of the road safety Propaganda for any stae, have I seen the road tolls adjusted to show just how many new drives were added to the melting pot each year.

I agree that the road tolls need to be addressed in the interest of public safety, but I believe that the respective goverment bodies are only interested in reducing Motor Accidents as a means to save the State Coffers money. Just think how much revenue is spent on providing emergency service vehicles and personell to a Motor Vehicle Accident.
The funds required is unbelievable. But the fact of the matter is No camera beit a Redlight or speed camera is going to stop MVA's entirely.
Design a camera that leaps of its post and stops an offender and you'll make millions and make the world a safer place.

I can't see how booking drivers for what appears to be minor offenses anything else the blatant revenue raising. It seems to be that each week there's a new law introduced for something(not necessarily related to the roads) just to raise a few more million. Australia is by far the most legistlated country in the world, We have Local government, State government and Federal government. All of which introduce policies to raise revenue.

While ever we have a human enforcing those policies i.e. The Police. We will never rule out inconsistancies or corruption. The fact is While ever Police are given special powers i.e. Speeding without responding to an incident( no flashing lights or sirens) Joe public will not learn the lessons of speeding.

On the matter of respect, Respect isnt a given it is something that is earned unless your name is CARTMAN from southpark(Respect My Authorit-I)
Your Employment doesn't Automatically make you a person worthy of respect. I was taught as a child those you wish respect from you show respect. Police in general(YES I am GENERALISING)so little respect for Joe public when dealing with them whilst inforcing policies and laws, But then after all these people deal with the previously mentioned scum of society(with mentality educated into them like that no wonder there's no respect given)

<where do I put this soap box when I'm done>

[Tyrepower]

Some one take the soap box away and burn it I say. Things are being taken a little to serious here I think. Making comments, even general comments about religion, race or occupations on an open forum like this can lead to a misunderstanding, or what you and I consider harmless another person may find insulting. We all have our views........some we just need to keep to ourselves
Landrovermick I hope you continue to post "off the cuff" I have enjoyed reading your candid comments in the past and hope to do so in the future.
Deep breaths everyone................................Remember it's all good fun untill someone gets hurt, then it's hilarious. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif
Cheers Tyrepower

[drivesafe]

Well Tyrepower, I’d like to keep the soap box in place but would like to steer the posting back to the original subject but with a twist and I would very much like to hear Landrovermick’s opinions.

We have heard criticisms of the police’s actions not the least from me but if you all had a say in what the police would better be doing, what would you have them do and WHY.

I’ll kick it off hear with a bitch about idiots that drive around at night with their fog lights on.
It is not a pose but down right dangerous not only for on coming vehicles but also for the brain-deads that do it. By having their fog lights on, they end up with a bright spot just in front of their vehicle which in turn masks the long distance visibility.

To my knowledge the law goes something like “ Fog lights can only be used adverse whether conditions and than, they must still be extinguished for on coming vehicles”

If police were to book a few of these idiots, I think the rest of us would be very appreciative.

Have your say, cheers

[DiscoTDI]

I would like to remind everyone that this post was not intended to attack anyone personally and I dont believe it should have come this far or gone the avenue it has. It is a cry of frustration at the QLD govt and traffic branch who are turning QLD roads into a bitter twisted fit of rage. Speed limits are being changed repeatedly, they bring up crap fines like you were more than 3 metres from your car and it wasnt locked, booking people for parking in their driveway because the rear wheels are on the footpath, and BS like what this post origiated from.

It is aimed at the morons who pull the strings, sure there are a few that spoil the broth but I do not believe I have worked anywhere where there wasnt.

I mean think about what is really happening the dip****s in charge are saying we are doing it to reduce the road toll, for instance they dropped the speed limit on the ipswich motorway to 90kmh because they believed it would reduce the road toll, the day after the 2 day amnesty was up there was 2 hand held laser and 2 speed cameras on the highway. The real ****er is 90% of accidents on that road happen under 45kmh so how the hell does that fix the road toll. They think we are a bunch of morons and treat us that way.

I hate to say it but someone is going to blow their top soon and someone is going to get hospitalised or killed, and no one is going to be shocked in the slightest

[Ace]

Originally posted by VladTepes

Re: Cops being arseholes.
Sure, some are. Some Land Rover owners are. Even some Hilux drivers are :wink: style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif It's a fact of life that in any group of individuals there will be all sorts of personality types. It's not fair of course to broaden this generalisatrion.

Has anyone ever met one? I know i never have. Matt

[DEFENDERZOOK]

i think the age of the cops has a lot to do with their attitude.
eg. if they are new on the job some of them think they now have a badge and are kingsh!t. after a few years the novelty wears off and they settle down. a case of been there done that seen the movie read the book bought the t-shirt. it gets to a stage where they just cant be bothered with all the headaches involved and just give a warning. if youve ever got off with a warning you know you will never do that again cos next time you will not be so lucky.


other cops will tolerate most things and then get really touchy with others.
eg. a while back there was a cop who lived at the bottom of the zig zag railway.....he used to throw the book at anyone he caught speeding(whether he was on or off duty)...and from what ive been told he used to do it without mercy.
apparently the reason being...his dog was killed by someone speeding past his house.


i guess everyone has something they cannot stand to see which makes them react differently to everyone else........cops included. they are human after the novelty of the job wears off.


if you ever listen to them on a scanner you will not believe some of the crap they gotta go through as part of their job.


i think the only funpart of the job is getting to cruise around on quiet nights when not much is happening(very rare) in those nice cop cars.


i dont think they are all a'holes...................................
just the ones that book me!!

[hiline]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>i dont think they are all a'holes...................................
just the ones that book me!![/b][/quote]

and me :wink:

[DEFENDERZOOK]

now the p platers are getting theirs back by running over cops.

todays front page of the telegraph in sydney.

[drivesafe]

First off, I have been booked at least 20 times and all bar one were for speeding and every single one of them I deserved.

I did NOT think the cops were A’holes for booking me. They didn’t make me speed, I did and they were in these cases just doing the job that most of the public expects them to do.

I didn’t want to be booked, I didn’t like being booked, but I am responsible for my own actions and as for the police officer that got run down last night. He to was just doing the job that the rest of us expected him to be doing. He definitely didn’t deserve that.

I want ALL police to DO there job and then the roads would be a lot safer for the rest of us.

How on earth can those that have the power to designate what the cops are assigned to do on a given day, think that actions like those at Gympie are going to make lives of the rest of us any safer.

Now back to my question, what would you like to see the police doing to make roads safer.

Cheers

[noddy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Now back to my question, what would you like to see the police doing to make roads safer. [/b][/quote]

I think this is being covered in a similar post, initiated by rmp.

[DEFENDERZOOK]

they need to be there at the right time to catch all the idiots that should really be driving.

on the way to aces on the weekend some clown in a chevy truck did a double overtake, passing two cars at the same time which almost caused a head on and caused the oncoming car and the one in front of me to run off the road to allow him to go along the centre line and avoid a collision.

what would have hapened if one of the two cars(now half on gravel) lost control? do you honestly think he would have stopped to help?

some people deserve to be shot.

i have been booked for speeding several times myself. some of those time i actually was speeding. the rest of the times it was just a case of young driver old car. how can you justify getting pulled over at 3am doing 60 in a 70 zone and getting booked for bald tyres? can you see any tyres at 3am, let alone on a vehicle doing 60kays?

there are good and bad in everything.
its a case of if the ***** fits.........wear it!

ive lost my license from a few unfair bookings such as these.
ask me during a campfire and i will tell you.

[hiline]

i got booked yrs ago for a exhaust clamp being to low

and the dirty pig mongrel made me lick the un- roadworthy
sticker myself

reason was he got sick of licking them
i so wanted to smash is cocky smug face clean in :twisted: :twisted:

[drivesafe]

In both the above cases, the little bit of revenue the cops made for the state was far out weighted by the long term dislike of police in general that there actions created.

Not wishing to have a shot at Landrovermick, but mate you and the rest of the police force are on an up hill drive with nothing but a cliff at the top. You will never win the public over with what ever story you choose to tell. The distrust of police in general may only be based on the actions of a few.

In my case there were three offices involved. All three had to be cooked for any one of them to be able to get away with what they did and I bet that in the two instances posted above, there was more than one cop involved in each incident. It’s not one bad apple, it is a mentality that exists in most police forces.

Back to ideas to help the police make the roads safer and at the same time raise the public’s opinion of them.
Here's another one the cops could act on. Start booking tailgaters, this would most definitely have an effect on the number of accidents.

Germany has a ripper of a way to handle tailgating.
They set up cameras on overhead bridges, on the roadway bellow are some makings set at a given distance apart. Now not only do you get booked if you are caught travelling to close to the vehicle in front, the find is means tested and there been finds of up to $10,000 US handed out. Good one.

Cheers

[Tyrepower]

And I bet the Police are hated just as much there as here.
Any one who tells you, you can't do what you want is going to be unpopular.
It dosen't matter if what you want to do is anti social, against the law or what ever. People don't like authority.
Some abuse the authority they have, but even if these people where not in the force. Most of the public would still not like the police.

[VladTepes]

Speaking of unsafe traffic thingies - one of Mrs Vlad's work friends was driving down the M1 to the Gold Coast the other day. The vehicle in front of her was towing a trailer, which suddenly let go a sheel.

The car / trailer combo came to a screeching aprking noisy halt, at an angle to the traffic flow. Meanwhile the tyre bounced across into oncoming traffic. Luckily nobody was killed.

I wonder if the driver will be / can be charged with anything ?

[Tyrepower]

Originally posted by VladTepes
Speaking of unsafe traffic thingies - one of Mrs Vlad's work friends was driving down the M1 to the Gold Coast the other day. The vehicle in front of her was towing a trailer, which suddenly let go a sheel.

The car / trailer combo came to a screeching aprking noisy halt, at an angle to the traffic flow. Meanwhile the tyre bounced across into oncoming traffic. Luckily nobody was killed.

I wonder if the driver will be / can be charged with anything ?

Let go a sheel????????? I've heard of a shart but never a sheel. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[VladTepes]

It's a comprehension test..... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Tyrepower]

Oh good I passed. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[DEFENDERZOOK]

Originally posted by drivesafe

In my case there were three offices involved. All three had to be cooked for any one of them to be able to get away with what they did and I bet that in the two instances posted above, there was more than one cop involved in each incident. It’s not one bad apple, it is a mentality that exists in most police forces.



Cheers


no.....there was only one cop involved.
i guess his shift was almost over and he still hadnt made his quota yet.
apparently they are told from higher up that they have to get "x" amount of fines. i was just unlucky....(again)

if they dont give enough tickets they are accused of bludging or doing nothing.
if they give out too many fines they are accused of harassing the public.

they just cant win i guess.(im now referring to the police force not individual cops)

[landrovermick]

Originally posted by hiline
i got booked yrs ago for a exhaust clamp being to low

and the dirty pig mongrel made me lick the un- roadworthy
sticker myself

reason was he got sick of licking them
i so wanted to smash is cocky smug face clean in :twisted: :twisted:

Mate It would have actually been that in Victora the Yello canaries were printed in Gaol , the crooks are alleged to urinate in the glue that is on the back of them, thats why Vic coppers that used to be in the know used to spit on them and rub it in, Ive been on the reciveing end of a couple of canaries - Never seen a cop lick one... In NSW they are now stickers


Another Misconception smashed

Mick

[landrovermick]

Originally posted by DEFENDERZOOK
they need to be there at the right time to catch all the idiots that should really be driving.

on the way to aces on the weekend some clown in a chevy truck did a double overtake, passing two cars at the same time which almost caused a head on and caused the oncoming car and the one in front of me to run off the road to allow him to go along the centre line and avoid a collision.

what would have hapened if one of the two cars(now half on gravel) lost control? do you honestly think he would have stopped to help?

some people deserve to be shot.

i have been booked for speeding several times myself. some of those time i actually was speeding. the rest of the times it was just a case of young driver old car. how can you justify getting pulled over at 3am doing 60 in a 70 zone and getting booked for bald tyres? can you see any tyres at 3am, let alone on a vehicle doing 60kays?

there are good and bad in everything.
its a case of if the ***** fits.........wear it!

ive lost my license from a few unfair bookings such as these.
ask me during a campfire and i will tell you.


Just as a sideline , were the tyres bald? Soemtimes you will find that tickets like these are related directly to the attitude of one of two things - either the attidude of the HWY Patrol Officer , or attitude of the driver.

Hope this helps

Mick

[DEFENDERZOOK]

well.....i guess that makes hiline feel much better now.

[landrovermick]

Originally posted by DEFENDERZOOK+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DEFENDERZOOK)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-drivesafe

In my case there were three offices involved. All three had to be cooked for any one of them to be able to get away with what they did and I bet that in the two instances posted above, there was more than one cop involved in each incident. It’s not one bad apple, it is a mentality that exists in most police forces.



Cheers


no.....there was only one cop involved.
i guess his shift was almost over and he still hadnt made his quota yet.
apparently they are told from higher up that they have to get "x" amount of fines. i was just unlucky....(again)

if they dont give enough tickets they are accused of bludging or doing nothing.
if they give out too many fines they are accused of harassing the public.

they just cant win i guess.(im now referring to the police force not individual cops)[/b][/quote]

Ah the old - Quota - guys there IS NO quota, It is a HWy Ptrol officers job to work enforcing all rules with particular attention to the Australian Road Rules, and associated motoring laws. By nature they do right more tickets than other police .

Another misconception busted

Mick

[landrovermick]

" The fact is While ever Police are given special powers i.e. Speeding without responding to an incident( no flashing lights or sirens) Joe public will not learn the lessons of speeding."

Sorry mate but police caught speeding - whether it be by camera or person - we are liable to full extent of the law, In NSW there is no middle ground, if you are caught and you arent on urgent duty (lights AND Sirens) then you are up a the prverbial creek, in fact if you arent HWY Patrol and you are over a certain speed over the limit (Speed dangerous 40km) in any case and you are up for it..

HWY Patrol regularly have pursuits called off by radio because the offending vehcile is travelling too fast for the duty of car for innocent bystanders

Misconceptions sorted are me

mick

[landrovermick]

Guys, the underlying thread of this forum is that mose people here have been done by the cops at one time or another for something, unfortunantly for the police most of the community onley ever get to deal with Highway Patrol Officers, fact is that most police acknowledge that they (HWY Patrol) are a breed of their own.

Please dont judge all police by your dealings with the highway patrol. In my time I have written my share of tickets, but ill tell ya what I have pulled far more people over and Let them off with a warning, or in the cas eof many a young buck, I have told them the ticket is in the mail - only to have never sent it (this was done to me as a young bloke - bloody well slowed me down for ages)

What I have tried to convey in the last few posts that there are losts of mosconceptions of police in society, most untrue - some founded on truth but twisted. Same as I have no doubt that there are corrupt police - luckily for me I dont know any - because i **** you not, they would be in for it from me.

So there we go, id like to say that I wont post on this thread again, but of course feel free to hang ****, but in end where does it get you.

I tried mentioning the good things police do, but was told it was a sob story, and yes drivesafe I did know what I was in for when i joined the job.

Above all , this job has given me the gift of meeting many people from many varied walks of life, and has shown me that the Cops, arent all the same dick head you see writing your next ticket out.

so anyway there we go, ive been a little harsh on some and for that I make no apologies, like most police we do cop alot at work and the last place I want to cops **** is here where i come to relax and spend some times with people whos opinions and feelings i respect.

Regards

Mick

[Ace]

The fact is you break the rules you get caught. matt

[drivesafe]

Hi Landrovermick, I didn’t have a go at you because you are cop, I simply pointed out that what you posted, I my opinion, was not in the spirit of the posting and I genuinely would not swap jobs with you because of the very things you put in your posting.

In my case the cops where beat cops not Highway Patrol, but I imagine you are right in that most people’s contact with the police is while receiving a ticket from a highway patrol officer, hell I’ve had my quota.

And I hope you are not leaving this posting because you think your comments are not welcome, that was certainly not my intention. In my case, far from it, I personal would like to hear more of your opinions on the subject. You can give us all a view that we don’t normally relate to.
Cheers.

PS. I still reserve the right to criticise anything I don’t see eye to eye with and I am up for any criticism that anybody wishes to throw my way.

[hiline]

Originally posted by DEFENDERZOOK
well.....i guess that makes hiline feel much better now.

just feeling a little wheezy

dirty ****** :twisted: :twisted:

[DEFENDERZOOK]

Originally posted by landrovermick


Please dont judge all police by your dealings with the highway patrol. In my time I have written my share of tickets, but ill tell ya what I have pulled far more people over and Let them off with a warning, or in the cas eof many a young buck, I have told them the ticket is in the mail - only to have never sent it (this was done to me as a young bloke - bloody well slowed me down for ages)


Regards

Mick


i copped one of those once :oops:
it does slow you down for ages.....makes you think "i already got one coming, i better slow down so i dont get another"

[Ace]

Originally posted by DEFENDERZOOK+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DEFENDERZOOK)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-landrovermick


Please dont judge all police by your dealings with the highway patrol. In my time I have written my share of tickets, but ill tell ya what I have pulled far more people over and Let them off with a warning, or in the cas eof many a young buck, I have told them the ticket is in the mail - only to have never sent it (this was done to me as a young bloke - bloody well slowed me down for ages)


Regards

Mick

I have never been that lucky, been booked twice (well and truly my fault) and they gave me the fine on the spot. Matt


i copped one of those once :oops:
it does slow you down for ages.....makes you think "i already got one coming, i better slow down so i dont get another"[/b][/quote]

[LandyAndy]

Hi Guys
Had some really good results in the local paper yeasterday(In the local coppers write up)
They only had 2 deaths(1 accident) and to serious injuries for the year.You may say "small country town" your roadtoll should be low.BUT we are on a major roadtrain route/tourist route.4500 vehicles a day pass thru town.
NOW the reason for the good results(Sorry I dont know the average,put anybody who has travelled Albany hwy will soon tell you the crazy number of white crosses on the side of the road,there are heaps of them,especially multiple cross sites)
Reason 1,The local coppers together with roadwise arranged for "audible" white lines to be fitted to albany hwy,a type of ripple strip on the white line that wakes you up before you hit the gravel shoulder.This has reduced their late nite call outs for "fall asleeps" to ZERO.
Reason 2,Over the last 12 months the local coppers have adopted a zero tollerance to errant road users.2001-2003 average no of tickets was 650 per year,last year 2146 infringements,valued at $210020 and 2464 demerit points.
I say well done to the local boys,and keep it up!!!

To Quote the author of the article
"We,at the Williams Police Station,have regained our reputation for being mongrels,a badge we wear proudly because,while these people badmouth Coppers,THEY STILL SLOW DOWN.Job done!We are not here to make friends but to save lives."

Andrew

[Ace]

Originally posted by LandyAndy
Hi Guys
Had some really good results in the local paper yeasterday(In the local coppers write up)
They only had 2 deaths(1 accident) and to serious injuries for the year.You may say "small country town" your roadtoll should be low.BUT we are on a major roadtrain route/tourist route.4500 vehicles a day pass thru town.
NOW the reason for the good results(Sorry I dont know the average,put anybody who has travelled Albany hwy will soon tell you the crazy number of white crosses on the side of the road,there are heaps of them,especially multiple cross sites)
Reason 1,The local coppers together with roadwise arranged for "audible" white lines to be fitted to albany hwy,a type of ripple strip on the white line that wakes you up before you hit the gravel shoulder.This has reduced their late nite call outs for "fall asleeps" to ZERO.
Reason 2,Over the last 12 months the local coppers have adopted a zero tollerance to errant road users.2001-2003 average no of tickets was 650 per year,last year 2146 infringements,valued at $210020 and 2464 demerit points.
I say well done to the local boys,and keep it up!!!

To Quote the author of the article
"We,at the Williams Police Station,have regained our reputation for being mongrels,a badge we wear proudly because,while these people badmouth Coppers,THEY STILL SLOW DOWN.Job done!We are not here to make friends but to save lives."

Andrew

Sounds like a copper with his head screwed on the right way. Matt

[gruntfuttock]

Just a point about an earlyer post in this topic that said that police must also behave and respect the law. This happened when I was in Aust on holidays last year (August).
My parents live very close to a school and at school times 07.30 - 09.00 and 15.00 - 16.30 the speed is 40Kph. That is fine by me. However the bloke next door to my parents place is the brother of a copper. EVERY TIME the police car left the brother's place he left quite a large amount of rubber on the road, and went past the school DURING the resticted times at an estimated 80 Kph. Like he was really moving!!

Can the author of the posts I mentioned before tell me how I can respect some one like that who puts kids lives at risk :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: . IMO he should be shot.

[DEFENDERZOOK]

maybe he was just showing off without thinking (as you do) to his brother.

there are exceptions for every rule....in this case its your neighbours brother being an exception to the human race.
who knows.......he may even have kids of his own one day.........

[NOZ]

Sorry, but I have very little time for the Police............

[Ace]

Originally posted by gruntfuttock
Just a point about an earlyer post in this topic that said that police must also behave and respect the law. This happened when I was in Aust on holidays last year (August).
My parents live very close to a school and at school times 07.30 - 09.00 and 15.00 - 16.30 the speed is 40Kph. That is fine by me. However the bloke next door to my parents place is the brother of a copper. EVERY TIME the police car left the brother's place he left quite a large amount of rubber on the road, and went past the school DURING the resticted times at an estimated 80 Kph. Like he was really moving!!

Can the author of the posts I mentioned before tell me how I can respect some one like that who puts kids lives at risk :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: . IMO he should be shot.

There are dickheads in every profession, however, as you say the police force has no room for dickheads of this sort. He would of course be the first to pull you over if you were speeding in a school zone. Matt