Opinions on Kaymar rear bar

[wbowner]

Hi,
I am going to get some mods done to my D4.
I have a 5 seater TDV6, 2014.

I am considering the Kaymar rear bar and a single SWC but from reading other threads there is a bit of concern over weight. I also want to put in a aux rank. I do not want to put the spare on the roof.

I will be towing a van, under 2000kg so not a biggy. I usually have a fridge and other gear in the back of the car.

Given I have no third row seats am I likely to have any issues with this bar or should I just go for another brand SWC. I was looking at the front runner but dollium do not seem to sell them any more but I believe OL do. Unfortunately I think there is no OL local in the ACT.

Sorry if this has been asked do many times before and thanks for any help

Richard

[Redback]

A kaymar rear bar plus one wheel carrier weighs 78kg + the spare.

Opposite Lock sell the Outback Accessories rear bar and carrier, don't know what it weighs though, oh and it's half the price of the Kaymar.

Baz.

[Ean Austral]

Rijidij on here made me one for my D3, it keeps the original bumper. I fitted it myself and nice and steady would say half day job to do.


workmanship on the product was excellent and a very happy with it. I alo have the longrange tank fitted and don't think there I any excessive weight on the rear of the car.


Send a PM to rijidij and see if he is still making them, his price was also better than anyone else.


Cheers Ean

[wbowner]

A kaymar rear bar plus one wheel carrier weighs 78kg + the spare.

Opposite Lock sell the Outback Accessories rear bar and carrier, don't know what it weighs though, oh and it's half the price of the Kaymar.

Baz.

I ran into a guy recently who had what looked like a frontrunner SWC which he got from OL.

It was different from OA one I have seen on web site.

Dollium used to distribute the FR, don't seem to do it any more.

As mentioned above there does not to be a OL store near by here in the ACT, once again according to the OL web site store locator.



Richard

[Redback]

I ran into a guy recently who had what looked like a frontrunner SWC which he got from OL.

It was different from OA one I have seen on web site.

Dollium used to distribute the FR, don't seem to do it any more.

As mentioned above there does not to be a OL store near by here in the ACT, once again according to the OL web site store locator.



Richard

Kaymar single carrier is $1890 for the bar and $860 for the carrier, total $2750 + fitting

The Outback Accessories twin carrier from Opposite Lock is $2980 + fitting, you may need to ring.

Single wheel carrier Opposite Lock $1340 and $1325 + fitting no bar seems to be two models.

rijidij wheel carrier only $1200 + fitting

Nearest OL is Narellan, near Camden, rijidij fitting is Peakhurst in Southern Sydney.

Your Choice,

baz.

[AnD3rew]

Really don't see the need to spend the insane $ for the Kaymar unless you really need two spares on the back. A single carrier Ridgidij or Dolium is much cheaper and does a good job. If I need a second spare I put it up on the roof but the times you really need a second are pretty rare. Don't really need the extra weight or the extra protection at the rear and you do feel the weight when you have a full Auxilliary fuel tank. By the time you have a van on and a load of stuff in the back and another 70+ kg for a Kaymar bar you have an awful lot of weight behind the rear axle.

[wbowner]

Thanks for replies.

The quote I got for Kaymar was $3100 fitted, you probably can understand why I have asked the question.:) weight is another issue.

I will need to get it fitted. Web searches say there is an OL in Queanbeyan but it has closed. There is also supposed to be one in Mitchell ACT but it does not appear on their store search so it may have closed as well.

There is a local mechanic who I think does it, I better check him instead of just going for Kaymar.


Richard

[Bytemrk]

Mine has a Kaymar bar on it with only 1 arm.

As you mentioned, they are heavy, as well as expensive.

Mine came on the car when I bought it.... I really like it, but if I was building one now, I would strongly question the need to add so much extra weight.

I have not seen the Rijidij carrier - but I have to say I have a Rijidij rear light and the service Murray gives is excellent, I would not hesitate to deal with him again.

[Drizzle]

The Rijidij rear bar looks good!

Home - Rijidij Off Road (http://rijidijoffroad.bounce.com.au/#/photo-gallery/4551411402)

The telescopic light pole looks great too!

http://rijidijoffroad.bounce.com.au/#/light-pole/4552066811

[wbowner]

A couple of questions
Does Rijidig make one for a D4, I think he does
Does it have trouble with rear sensors
Do you need to do something with rear lights

Richard

[Ean Austral]

This is mine with the ridjidij carrier


https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q50/r/835/img0392or.jpg




Cheers Ean

[Bytemrk]

The Rijidij rear bar looks good!

Home - Rijidij Off Road (http://rijidijoffroad.bounce.com.au/#/photo-gallery/4551411402)

The telescopic light pole looks great too!

Home - Rijidij Off Road (http://rijidijoffroad.bounce.com.au/#/light-pole/4552066811)

They work brilliantly too... also Murray is a vendor here:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/08/572.jpg

Really nice guy to deal with - I'd PM him or contact him through the site for questions.

[wbowner]

They work brilliantly too... also Murray is a vendor here:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/08/572.jpg

Really nice guy to deal with - I'd PM him or contact him through the site for questions.

Mark
Is that a Kaymar bar?

The rIjidig one seems to block the indicator and rear lights. Is that true

Another issue is that I want SWC that has some sort of dampners on it when opening. I live on a block with a slop and do not want to be taken out when I open the door.
Richard

[Bytemrk]

Mark
Is that a Kaymar bar?

The rIjidig one seems to block the indicator and rear lights. Is that true

Another issue is that I want SWC that has some sort of dampners on it when opening. I live on a block with a slop and do not want to be taken out when I open the door.
Richard

Yes, Kaymar bar and RWC with Rijidij rear light on mine.

Ean's is the rigidij RWC which appears to use the original LR rear bar.

I haven't seem a Rijidij RWC in a D3/4 in real life... so I will leave Ean to comment about blocking the rear light.

However with 19 inch rims.... the Kaymar does block a fair bit of that rear light too.... before adding the rear light.. reversing light on the right was rubbish as the tire blocked most of it.

The Kaymar does have a gas dampner too.

[BMKal]

I have the Outback Accessories single wheel carrier. Very happy with it.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/10/681.jpg

It has a gas strut which holds the carrier and wheel in either the fully open or fully closed position - it won't move if opened on a side slope, and I can also drive the vehicle with the carrier closed if I have forgotten to "latch" it closed. The "latch" on mine is positioned a bit closer to the centre of the vehicle than the one on the Rijidij carrier appears to be. One of the reversing sensors has been removed on mine to allow for placement of the latch. The reversing sensors have worked without problems since the carrier was installed - the fact that one is missing doesn't seem to have made any difference.

The wheel covers the right hand tail lights to the point that addition of another light becomes a legal requirement. The light supplied with the wheel carrier is a pretty ordinary square trailer light - I replaced this with the LED light in the photo purchased on line - it looks a bit more like the original lights on the vehicle.

The Rijidij single wheel carrier, when mounted on the original bumper, places the wheel further towards the centre of the vehicle, and an additional light is not required.

What capacity fuel tank is that in yours Ean. It appears to be sitting a lot lower than mine does.

When mounted on a Kaymar rear bar, the Rijidij carrier appears to sit further to the right of the vehicle - but the Kaymar bar already has additional tail lights fitted, so the legal requirements are met.

The Rijidij carrier appears to also have the advantage that the top section of the unit is adjustable so that you can move the wheel closer to / further away from the vehicle (handy if you are running larger / wider tyres). The Outback Accessories unit does not have this feature.

I like the Kaymar bar - love the thought of that solid lump of steel across the back of the vehicle - but the extra weight and cost put me off getting one. I had the wheel carrier AND 100 litre long range tank supplied and fitted for not much more than the same cost as some people are quoting on here for just a wheel carrier. :o

[Redback]

The Rijidij rear bar looks good!

Home - Rijidij Off Road (http://rijidijoffroad.bounce.com.au/#/photo-gallery/4551411402)

The telescopic light pole looks great too!

Home - Rijidij Off Road (http://rijidijoffroad.bounce.com.au/#/light-pole/4552066811)

I can highly recommend Murray as well, the rear work light is top notch quality and his service is second to none and a nice bloke to talk too as well.

Baz.

[wbowner]

Does rijidig one have dampners to stop it swinging

Is there a mob who will supply and fit it

Many thAnks for comments

Richard

[wbowner]

I will contact Murray
Richard

[Redback]

I will contact Murray
Richard

This would be your closest, Danial is a nice guy too, he's just up the road from my work in Peakhurst.
Rijidij Off Road | Buy 4x4 Land Rover Toyota Nissan Accessories and Parts Online Store | Expedition Centre Australia by Mulgo (http://www.expeditioncentre.com.au/online-store/brands/rijidij-off-road)

[shanegtr]

I got a Kaymar rear bar on my D3. It was already on the car when I brought it.
I do love having the solid steel rear end -dont have to worry about ripping plastic bumpers off (which I managed to do on my previous 80 series land cruiser)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/02/704.jpg (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/shanegtr/media/Disco/IMG_8559_zps663a1ef7.jpg.html)

[Redback]

I got a Kaymar rear bar on my D3. It was already on the car when I brought it.
I do love having the solid steel rear end -dont have to worry about ripping plastic bumpers off (which I managed to do on my previous 80 series land cruiser)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/02/704.jpg (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/shanegtr/media/Disco/IMG_8559_zps663a1ef7.jpg.html)

Was the reason we went with a rear bar also, for us Kaymar was the only option, as Outback Accessories hadn't made their rear bar for the D3/D4 yet, they released it about 2 months later, anyway, it has saved the rear a few times;)

Baz.

[wbowner]

This is confusing.

I have been doing some hunting around today.

I found some one today who does install these things in the ACT. They used to be an OL franchise but are no longer and do sell this stuff.

It appears Opposite Lock sell two brands of SWC

Land Rover Discovery 3 & 4 Wheel Carrier | Wheel Carriers | Opposite Lock (http://www.oppositelock.com.au/catalogue/carriers/land-rover-discovery-3-4-wheel-carrier)

Discovery 3/4 RHS Single Wheel Carrier | Wheel Carriers | Opposite Lock (http://www.oppositelock.com.au/catalogue/carriers/discovery-34-rhs-single-wheel-carrier)

The first one looks like the Frontrunner SWC and the second looks like the Outback Accessories one. And then there is the Rijidig one.

I am unsure which is best. All have some advantages.

I like the Rijidig one but have to clarify a couple of things
1) Do you need to have an additional light as in the Outback Accessories SWC if you have 19" wheels
2) Does the Rijidig SWC have gas struts like the other two.
I have sent a PM to Murray to clarify this but if any one knows the answer please let me know.

While I am at it has any one got an Outback Accessories AUX Tank?

Richard

[BMKal]

This is confusing.

I have been doing some hunting around today.

I found some one today who does install these things in the ACT. They used to be an OL franchise but are no longer and do sell this stuff.

It appears Opposite Lock sell two brands of SWC

Land Rover Discovery 3 & 4 Wheel Carrier | Wheel Carriers | Opposite Lock (http://www.oppositelock.com.au/catalogue/carriers/land-rover-discovery-3-4-wheel-carrier)

Discovery 3/4 RHS Single Wheel Carrier | Wheel Carriers | Opposite Lock (http://www.oppositelock.com.au/catalogue/carriers/discovery-34-rhs-single-wheel-carrier)

The first one looks like the Frontrunner SWC and the second looks like the Outback Accessories one. And then there is the Rijidig one.

I am unsure which is best. All have some advantages.

I like the Rijidig one but have to clarify a couple of things
1) Do you need to have an additional light as in the Outback Accessories SWC if you have 19" wheels
2) Does the Rijidig SWC have gas struts like the other two.
I have sent a PM to Murray to clarify this but if any one knows the answer please let me know.

While I am at it has any one got an Outback Accessories AUX Tank?

Richard

Photo below from the Rijidij website. Definitely don't need an extra light with this one - but this is probably only 17" or 18' wheel at the largest. Not sure how much further a 19" wheel and tyre would stick out over the tail light, but would not think it would be that much.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/10/659.jpg

On my Outback Accessories RWC with an 18" rim and slightly larger than original tyres, the right tail light is virtually completely obstructed from directly behind - so an additional light is definitely required.

I also have the Outback Accessories AUX Tank installed. ;)

It is close to 100 litres in capacity, and is "gravity feed" into the original tank, so no transfer pump required. The only drawback (as some might see it) is that there is no fuel gauge with this tank. Because it is gravity feed, your fuel gauge stays on "Full" until you have used all of the contents of the AUX tank, and then works as normal as you drain the original tank. This has never been a problem for me - I love the fact that there is no transfer pump to go wrong (and I don't have to remember to manually transfer fuel or switch tanks as you do on some systems I've seen).

Might also just be a trick of the photography - but the Outback Accessories tank may be wider and does not appear to hang down anywhere near as low as some others that I have seen - (I was comparing mine with Ean Austral's pic on the previous page of this thread).

[TerryO]

I have the Dolium supplied rear wheel carrier on the D3 with a near 32" mud tyre fitted, which is just about as big as you will ever fit to a D3/4 and it doesn't need an extra light as you can easily see the rear light while following.

It also doesn't have a damper fitted standard and even though ours often gets parked on a hill most days it doesn't need one. Never had a problem with it swinging closed at any time. If someone is only after a single rear wheel carrier not sure why it needs to be anymore complicated or heavier then one of these?

Someone said they are no longer available, will know soon as I sent a email to Dolium to ask the question, I know they used to often be out of stock for weeks on end though.

[wbowner]

I have the Dolium supplied rear wheel carrier on the D3 with a near 32" mud tyre fitted, which is just about as big as you will ever fit to a D3/4 and it doesn't need an extra light as you can easily see the rear light while following.

It also doesn't have a damper fitted standard and even though it often gets parked on a hill most days it doesn't need one. Never had a problem with it swinging closed at any time. If someone is only after a single rear wheel carrier not sure why it needs to be anymore complicated or heavier then one of these?

Someone said they are no longer available, will know soon as I sent a email to Dolium to ask the question, I know they used to often be out of stock for weeks on end though.

Terry,
If you go to the Dollium site they say they are not sourcing these any more. I believe they are the frontrunner ones from South Africa.

However I believe Opposite Lock are marketing them or ones that look like them. Note there is a new model out

Land Rover Discovery 3 & 4 Wheel Carrier | Wheel Carriers | Opposite Lock (http://www.oppositelock.com.au/catalogue/carriers/land-rover-discovery-3-4-wheel-carrier)

Richard

[wbowner]

Based on Terrys experience I wonder if the the same is for the Rijidij one which do not have gas struts as well.

Is it a problem when you open it on a slope or close it. I have found this to be a bit of an issue on a previous car, pajero, where the wheel is on the door.

Richard

[Redback]

The RWCs that cover the wheel, come with an extra light and is fitted with the carrier.

If you do decide on the rijidij carrier, ask Danial at the Expedition Centre to fit a gas strut to the carrier, I'm sure if it's doable he'll do it, after all, he does do mods for a living.

Any of the 3 carriers will do the job, if you come for a drive to Lake Llyal on the weekend, there are at least 20 D3/D4s to look at with single and twin carriers.

Baz.

[~Rich~]

I have similar oversize tyres as Terry, close to 32"

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/10/655.jpg (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/VSK5/media/D3/AAB37DC9-F2BD-4C1D-9D60-D1F2144619F9_zpspmorxpho.jpg.html)

This carrier a 4x4 Intelligence is no longer made but it too has a gas strut to keep it open on a slope.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2014/10/656.jpg (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/VSK5/media/1f882880-161d-44d4-a90d-4b41c7e72182_zpsfc85b04e.jpg.html)

[TerryO]

The Front Runner (ex Dolium) carrier has a lock that once you push it out far enough clicks in and holds the carrier out.
If your on a really steep hill then you can swing it out past the side of the vehicle and it sits there no problems at all, however the tyre will rest on the tail light.

It's just a case of being careful when using any of these rear wheel carriers at any time, personally I reckon the ones with gas struts fitted are to restrictive in how far out you can swing the wheel, but that's just my opinion.

[shanegtr]

OL have a twin spare rear bar like the Kaymar
http://www.oppositelock.com.au/prodcatalogue/product/13461/13461_3.jpg
Discovery 3 Twin Wheel Carrier | Wheel Carriers | Opposite Lock (http://www.oppositelock.com.au/catalogue/carriers/discovery-3-twin-wheel-carrier)

I had the same style OL carrier on my 80 series and never had any issues, they are a well built item (thats my old 80 on the OL website too;))
Landcruiser 80 Twin Wheel Carrier | Wheel Carriers | Opposite Lock (http://www.oppositelock.com.au/catalogue/carriers/landcruiser-80-twin-wheel-carrier)
One thing I like on the OL bars over the Kaymar bar is the high lift jack points. OL ones have them on the outer wings to each side, Kaymar as them on the back towards the centre of the bar. So to use a high lift with them you'd need to open the wheel carriers out

[TerryO]

Out of interest does anyone know how much the OL twin wheel carrier ways in comparison to the Kaymar carrier in the same spec?

[shanegtr]

Out of interest does anyone know how much the OL twin wheel carrier ways in comparison to the Kaymar carrier in the same spec?

I got the potential to weigh an 80 series land cruiser one when it comes off my wreck - would give you a ball park figure as I can't imagine theres too much difference to the metal sizes between the two. Main differences would be in the mounting

[wbowner]

I have the Dolium supplied rear wheel carrier on the D3 with a near 32" mud tyre fitted, which is just about as big as you will ever fit to a D3/4 and it doesn't need an extra light as you can easily see the rear light while following.

It also doesn't have a damper fitted standard and even though ours often gets parked on a hill most days it doesn't need one. Never had a problem with it swinging closed at any time. If someone is only after a single rear wheel carrier not sure why it needs to be anymore complicated or heavier then one of these?

Someone said they are no longer available, will know soon as I sent a email to Dolium to ask the question, I know they used to often be out of stock for weeks on end though.

Terry,
I think the Dolium was the Front runner and there is a new version out which does come with a gas strut. I think this is now sold by OL as per my earlier post.

I like the new model but am a bit concerned there may be issues with it and my Stone Stomper which I am sure can be fixed.

I think :)

Richard