Complete loss of Brakes due to Brake hose failure

[Hammer H]

Hi All

Several months ago I lost all brakes while driving my 2007 TDV8, luckily i was going slow at the time. It turned out the left hand front brake hose had split. Quite an unnerving experience. Replaced the hose and repaired.

Two days ago same thing happened again, I heard a slight pop and pedal to floor, luckily I had already stopped.

The electric emergency brake seems to be very inconsistent and id question its ability when needed at speed.

Ive never had a brake line fail previously, and when asking around it seems to be a very rare occurrence. Could only find one other L322 Range Rover owner with the same experience on Google.

The first experience I put down to an anomaly but now I'm not so confident, and they have both failed in the same location. Pics attached.

[Graeme]

Pretty poor show - one never hears of blown hoses these days. Were both instances at the left front, ie the replacement also blew or both original hoses?

[Hammer H]

hi Graeme

Both originals, first left then right.

[scarry]

You would think that should be a recall.....,if they were the original OEM parts


Have noticed other brands having recalls for vehicles well over 10yrs old.
Not usually brake issues though.

[Graeme]

I'd be replacing the rears as a matter of urgency.

[Graeme]

The D4 service schedule states that all flexible brake hoses should be replaced every 6 years so I expect similar for the RR.

[scarry]

The D4 service schedule states that all flexible brake hoses should be replaced every 6 years so I expect similar for the RR.

I wonder how many vehicles actually have it done.

The vehicle in question is only around 7yrs old.

[rar110]

With brake line valving, modern vehicles shouldn't fail if one or two lines leak fluid. Brakes particularly if front affected won't be as good, but should still pull up.

[Hammer H]

I will call our local Land Rover Dealer tommorow and let them know, maybe they will be interested.

will be replacing rears ASAP.

I would of also thought that if the fronts fail you would at least have the rear or visa versa, but I had no brakes. The first time I was 3 is from home so drove slow and used the gears, but it was very risky. The diesel with the turbos is not like driving a regular diesel where you can use the motor to help braking, as it tends to rev too high.

I was then told by an auto trans guy you can use the electric brake as it is also an emergency brake. I tried it when the car was dropped at my home by the tow truck driver just to turn it around and the braking was vey unreliable.

From my experience I wouldnt want to be in a position that needs it, but maybe I haven't given a fair try.

[Graeme]

I'm not aware of any brake line pressure sensors so can't see how the electronics would know that a line has dumped its fluid to close a valve to isolate it.

[Graeme]

The vehicle in question is only around 7yrs old.No safety margin so something isn't up to scratch.

Many years ago I bought a set of hoses for my 76 RRC but still hadn't fitted them when I sold the vehicle several years later.

[Graeme]

I would of also thought that if the fronts fail you would at least have the rear or visa versaYes, dual circuit so should have had quite useful braking.

The emergency braking feature over a slow speed (8 kph?) operates the hydraulic brakes initially then the park brake only if the vehicle isn't slowing sufficiently. With no brakes at all from the pedal then there is a problem with the dual circuit system.

[Graeme]

Are you sure that the pedal went all the way to the floor? I'm reminded of when my wife drove our 76 RRC though our front gate when a picked-up stick broke a rear brake pipe. She was adamant that the pedal went all the way to the floor but it didn't, just very close. It indeed still had brakes.

[scarry]

Are you sure that the pedal went all the way to the floor? I'm reminded of when my wife drove our 76 RRC though our front gate when a picked-up stick broke a rear brake pipe. She was adamant that the pedal went all the way to the floor but it didn't, just very close. It indeed still had brakes.

A bit off topic,but that was a common problem on Fraser island when i was a kid.The only thing that then stopped the series LR was the hand brake.Used to work well until the parts for the repair could be flown in.

[BigJon]

Now you have made me nervous about mine. Perhaps I should change the hoses. I have had to change one rear hose on my Dad's 05 Sport.

[Hammer H]

Hi Graeme,

Very sure, you made me think though. This last time I didn't continue depressing the pedal as I didn't run the brake fluid down. But the first time definitely tried and no response.

Bit strange I've had both go and there isn't much on this when searching the Internet.

[Blade74]

Searching through older posts I noticed this one.
There is now a recall on brake hoses in l322s and many other cars.
Definitely log into Topix and put in your Vin to see if there's a recall.
I haven't booked mine in yet but will soon.
Mine came up in topix.

[RR44TDV8]

Mine done under recall notice at recent 100k service 👍👍👍

[Chrisnussey]

There is a recall on them. Had them done.

[Graeme]

Mine's hoses were changed prior to pick-up whilst the front suspension and diff were removed to install the 4.4's revised secondary turbo drain pipe.

[BigJon]

Had mine done about a month ago (fronts only) as part of the recall action. Still should do the rears.

[rar110]

Austral LR Brisbane did mine a couple of mths ago.

Are the back hoses also ify?

[Graeme]

No mention of faulty rears in any LTB that I've encountered.

[BigJon]

Are the back hoses also ify?

Not that I am aware of. But for a couple of hundred dollars I think replacing 10 year old (in my case) brake hoses might not be a bad idea.