D4 Stop/Start

[mawhite]

Hi.

Pickup a MY15 TDV6 in a few weeks. Can anyone tell me if the MY14 TDV6 (base) has the stop/start operation in driving conditions?

thanks
Michael

[Graeme]

Without knowing, I'm sure that LR woudn't revert to the old style key.

Edit: Sorry I thought the question was regarding the start/stop button!

[drivesafe]

Hi Michael, and while there have been no Stop/Start D4s supplied in Australia just yet, I have it from a reliable source that they will commence supplying MY15 D4 base models first and then all MY15 D4s will have it.

The RRS already comes with Stop/Start.

[mawhite]

Thanks for that. The user manual I can download says it does have it but google seems to indicate that it's only on the SDV6 models. Will soon know.

cheers

[Fatso]

Can only imagine the problems this stop start crap is going to generate , getting to stage where I am starting to miss the simple systems .

[dmdigital]

MY15 D4 TDV6 and SDV6 do not have auto/stop start in Australia. This may change in the coming year of course.
Also the TDV6 is dropped from the UK line up. LRA's web site has been updated this week to MY15 specs for "Build your own"

[drelectro]

Interesting, I was wondering the same thing as I also have one on order.

Michael, do you have a confirmed delivery date for yours?

[nat_89]

Can only imagine the problems this stop start crap is going to generate , getting to stage where I am starting to miss the simple systems .

Im neither here nor there with the start stop I've only had it a couple of times in BMW rental cars and when i had a new L494 RRS whilst waiting for my D4 to finish pre delivery. I wasn't all that keen on it, i mean at first i thought this is kinda cool but after a while it just peeved me off like sitting in traffic and you just want to creep forward it starts then stops and if you just say release a tiny bit of brake pressure off it starts again and when i went through a Maccas drive through its starting stopping and i ended up turning it off because it peeved me. But thats just my thoughts in the short couple of times i had it could be just picky and nit picking maybe.

[drivesafe]

Can only imagine the problems this stop start crap is going to generate , getting to stage where I am starting to miss the simple systems .

Imagine how much it will be to repair it when the warranty runs out, and this is not just for Land Rovers, but on any make of vehicle.

I can see the resale value on all makes taking a big hit.

BTW, I think it was VW who recently stated that the Stop/Start feature save just 0.2% of fuel over the life span of a vehicle.

Can't see that being enough saving to cover repair costs.

[mawhite]

Interesting, I was wondering the same thing as I also have one on order.

Michael, do you have a confirmed delivery date for yours?

Yes. 23rd November.

[mawhite]

MY15 D4 TDV6 and SDV6 do not have auto/stop start in Australia. This may change in the coming year of course.
Also the TDV6 is dropped from the UK line up. LRA's web site has been updated this week to MY15 specs for "Build your own"

This is where I see it (page 92)

LRL 10 02 59 151 - Discovery 4 Owner's Handbook 2015 (Issue1) | TOPIx (http://topix.landrover.jlrext.com/topix/content/document/view?id=475682&groupId=1655#1cc5a335-0b30-4dda-8bf3-a4c4f334dc6d!!3)

[dukemasterpro]

Just picked up my aug 14 build my15 sdv6 and no stop start though it's in the manual. Overall very impressed with the new nav system, Bluetooth etc. new tech pack way better than the old premium nav by a mile. Anyone on the fence about the premium sound also don't be it's amaze balls!

[mawhite]

Just picked up my aug 14 build my15 sdv6 and no stop start though it's in the manual. Overall very impressed with the new nav system, Bluetooth etc. new tech pack way better than the old premium nav by a mile. Anyone on the fence about the premium sound also don't be it's amaze balls!

what's different in the new Tech pack to the old you refer?

[simmo1]

With the auto stop start it will be really good if someone can work out how to disable it. Like an auto tinger poke at the disable switch.
Simmo

[Graeme]

With the auto stop start it will be really good if someone can work out how to disable it. Like an auto tinger poke at the disable switch.
Simmo
It could be as simple as installing a relay that's operated from the starter solenoid unless a delay is needed between releasing the starter and pressing the switch. Alternatively I expect it could be disabled in the CCF by a non-LR diagnostic tool as even my 2010 D4 has the setting.

[Basil135]

It could be as simple as installing a relay that's operated from the starter solenoid unless a delay is needed between releasing the starter and pressing the switch. Alternatively I expect it could be disabled in the CCF by a non-LR diagnostic tool as even my 2010 D4 has the setting.

If it is anything like the Audi I had as a loaner, it isnt even this difficult.

I played with it for a couple of days, but then it just got annoying. Found the menu option, and just turned it off. :angel:

[drivesafe]

Here is an interesting "OPTION"

Disabling 2014 ECO Switch - Page 3 - Land Rover and Range Rover Forums (http://www.landroverworld.org/forums/showthread.php't=25367&page=3)

[nat_89]

If it is anything like the Audi I had as a loaner, it isnt even this difficult.

I played with it for a couple of days, but then it just got annoying. Found the menu option, and just turned it off. :angel:

Audi may have a system where you can disable it fully, but i know with the LR once you turn it off and then when you restart the car its back on again. Is the Audi able to be fully turned off all the time?

[simmo1]

Very interesting! However I would think that this second battery is likely used for other systems as well. Hopefully a competent brave soul will figure this out. I am not competent to try.
Simmo

[drivesafe]

Is the Audi able to be fully turned off all the time?

Yes, many of the new VWs ( Audi ) come with to owner selectable switches.

One is like the LR set up, where you can cancel the S/S operation for a given trip.

The other switch turns it of permanently.

Why can’t all the manufacturers do this?

[Graeme]

I downloaded some parts of the current RRS wiring schematics (primarily the suspension) but not the stop/start system. They all show only the primary battery so the idea that the 2nd battery is solely for stop/start could well be the case. A dedicated stop/start battery would be beneficial to prevent the primary battery from being discharged to the detriment of other systems such as the ecm and suspension. The wiring schematic for the stop-start system would confirm the 2nd battery's stop/start function.

[drivesafe]

Another possible option might be to disable the second brake peddle switch, the one used to activate the Stop/Start operation.

[nat_89]

Yes, many of the new VWs ( Audi ) come with to owner selectable switches.

One is like the LR set up, where you can cancel the S/S operation for a given trip.

The other switch turns it of permanently.

Why can’t all the manufacturers do this?

Thats a great idea i wasn't aware of that but a good idea!! The LR one along with many others is annoying how you have to turn it off each time you start the car as opposed to being to disabled it once for ever. I mean the fuel you would save is pretty negligible compared to how annoying it is!!

I had a new 6L V8 Holden Caprice back in 2011 and when waiting in traffic its meter was showing 1.9L to 2.1L an hour idling so really a smaller engine sitting at traffic would be using even less. And if the car turns off for a minute or so your hardly saving anything. That would be my thought.

[drivesafe]

Hi Nat, and the fuel saving is pathetic, according VW ( I think ) the average saving was just 0.2% over the life span of the vehicle.

My biggest worry is that Land Rover does not have a good reputation when it comes to anything electrical.

Add Stop/Start to the mix, and I think they are going to become both more unreliable and potentially more dangerous to drive.

If removing the Neg of the Stop/Start Battery takes the Stop/Start out of the equation, then that has got to be a good thing.

[nat_89]

Hi Nat, and the fuel saving is pathetic, according VW ( I think ) the average saving was just 0.2% over the life span of the vehicle.

My biggest worry is that Land Rover does not have a good reputation when it comes to anything electrical.

Add Stop/Start to the mix, and I think they are going to become both more unreliable and potentially more dangerous to drive.

If removing the Neg of the Stop/Start Battery takes the Stop/Start out of the equation, then that has got to be a good thing.

Yeah i think its just pretty stupid and in the city i mean the fuel savings appear good but when you think it might be turned off for a total of 15 minutes over an hour city traffic or something its going to save you about 300ml of fuel and thats not worth it, as you said especially with all the electrical crap and issues that could happen.

I've had an issues with a vehicle i test drove and no salesman came with us and it stopped and then i must of done something and it wouldn't restart at the lights so i had to put in park then start again and take off, in the end i went oh f*#k it and turned it off for the rest of the drive.

I thought that article you shared about removing the battery terminal great idea really smart and stops having to keep disabling it every time you start the car!!

[Mossy]

We had this on a Volvo we hired in the UK a couple of months back, I hated it. I also wonder whether the fuel savings will outweigh the extra wear and tear on starter motor, ring gear and battery??
Cheers Mossy

[Graeme]

Is the feature meant to save fuel or to reduce emissions whilst stopped in traffic?

[mawhite]

Is the feature meant to save fuel or to reduce emissions whilst stopped in traffic?

Mainly for emissions but the manuals say fuel.