No rego allowed

[Chris J]

Went for Tier 2 check VIN ID only, they didn't like the 3rd seat & wanted me to take it to vehicle standards, I said I will pull the seat out so they retracted that paperwork made me wait another 15 min then gave me a slip only & said they don't like seat & side baskets.
Went to standards & the engineer freaked a 50ish woman; winch no good, bullbar & side rails no good, roll cage no good, mirrors no good, bonnet brackets no good.
She called vehicle aggressive when I called her on this she changed her wording "to aggressive to pedestrians", when I told her built to ADR was told that she had seen hundreds of these cobbled together things in her time as engineer in England & because owned by Government someone signs off & everyone else agrees, but it is not happening on her watch.

As an pom she was not a fan of Land Rovers & called me crazy when I said it was my 4th & I should have learned my lesson.

So here I am paid premium for what I thought was a legitimate road worthy vehicle & I have to convert to Defender, should have got for wreck value with all the changes wanted.

I knew it was to good to be true.

[Outlaw]

Maybe try a different engineer? Or remove the main offenders and put them back later? I have no idea how strict everything is down your way.

[snowbound]

Somebody going through "the change"? :wasntme: FFS some of the crap I see on the road and they give you a hard time on something built like the proverbial and safe as houses. What did you pay for it? (if I may ask)

[slug_burner]

What vehicle did you get? Was the aggressive lady, aggressive to Landrovers, evaluating against the rules at the time the vehicle was built?

If you got this vehicle from the ADF vehicle auctions you should let them know. I am sure they would not be happy to know that the market maybe about to have the bottom drop out of the market.

[Chris J]

I paid top dollar, auction price was ok but I have paid $2k in government charges already & can't use

[Chris J]

Lady not aggressive but thought vehicle was, she claimed as new rego can't use old design rules

[Chris J]

Maybe try a different engineer? Or remove the main offenders and put them back later? I have no idea how strict everything is down your way.

That was the senior government engineer, today.

[Slunnie]

I'd take it somewhere else and try again.

[THE BOOGER]

That was the senior government engineer, today.

Even senior engineers can and do get it wrong AFAIK it has to pass ADRs for the year on the compliance plate not this year and that's all states not just South Oz:(

[Chris J]

Also the main offenders are, winch, bullbar, bonnet brackets, side rails of bull bar, mirrors (I like them I can see everything) internal roll bar to close to occupants, rear seat (easy remove), side baskets, (can remove but don't want to) then spare wheels stick out, then spare wheel holder; Then what?

So I have to remove everything I purchased the vehicle for FFS, probably will & then put it all back on, police that checked it out thought it was cool & all good so once registered should be ok.

I don't want to drill out rivets, remove stuff make covers glue expensive foam to every surface someone could touch, if I hurt myself my problem, if I hurt passenger well they should have done risk assessment before entering vehicle, if I hurt pedestrian & in the wrong there are laws that punish me.

[Mick_Marsh]

she claimed as new rego can't use old design rules
I know, that is rubbish.
She is letting her own personal opinion interfere with her job of applying the rules correctly.
Go elsewhere. If you can't, speak to her supervisor.
Get them to list what specifically does not conform to which ADR.
The ADR at the time of manufacture applies to the vehicle.
Australian Design Rules (http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/motor/design/)

When a road vehicle is first used on Australian roads the relevant state or territory government's legislation generally requires that it continue to comply with the relevant ADRs as at the time of manufacture.

[DBT]

Sounds like an RFSV?

Surely there are examples already registered in SA?

Maybe put the word out on REMLR. No doubt you will get some further good advice on how to overcome this bureaucratic challenge. It will make success all the sweeter. :)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Chris

Do you mind if we ask for piccies?

Secondly irrespective of what she says the vehicle only has to comply with the ADR at the date of manufacture, not at the date of first (civilian) registration.

Secondly the Australian Standard 4876.1 (the one on bull bars) only applies to vehicles manufactured after 31 December 2002.

She may be the chief inspector, but she has to obey the law. So she needs to go back to her books and refresh her knowledge.

Diana

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I know, that is rubbish.
She is letting her own personal opinion interfere with her job of applying the rules correctly.
Go elsewhere. If you can't, speak to her supervisor.
Get them to list what specifically does not conform to which ADR.
The ADR at the time of manufacture applies to the vehicle.
Australian Design Rules (http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/motor/design/)The problem with the ComLaw site is that it only supplies the third edition of the Vehicle Standards (ADR) from 2005, the 2nd edition ADR on the Dept of Infrastructure site is that it is static at the as gazetted in 1975 so misses both the SIII Army and the Perentie production periods.

[Mick_Marsh]

The problem with the ComLaw site is that it only supplies the third edition of the Vehicle Standards (ADR) from 2005, the 2nd edition ADR on the Dept of Infrastructure site is that it is static at the as gazetted in 1975 so misses both the SIII Army and the Perentie production periods.
Are these not the most current edition 2 ADRs?
Second Edition Australian Design Rules (http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/motor/design/second_edition_adrs.aspx)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Are these not the most current edition 2 ADRs?
Second Edition Australian Design Rules (http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/motor/design/second_edition_adrs.aspx)OK show me ADR 17.4.3 the one that applies to diesel engine fuel shut off for vehicles manufactured in 1985 or later but before it ceased to apply to new cars in 2005?

At some point in that period stop cables did not comply and an electric solenoid was required.

[Eevo]

did you go to regency or the other place down south?

[Mick_Marsh]

OK show me ADR 17.4.3 the one that applies to diesel engine fuel shut off for vehicles manufactured in 1985 or later but before it ceased to apply to new cars in 2005?

At some point in that period stop cables did not comply and an electric solenoid was required.
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/coil-sprung-military-land-rovers/85910d1414154449-no-rego-allowed-17-4-3.jpg
That would be a "no" then.

Where would one source the latest edition 2 ADR's?

A little further research reveals VSI22
https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/~/media/files/documents/safety%20and%20road%20rules/vsi22.ashx


And I stumbled across this:
http://125.32.98.1/critenon/%E5%9B%BD%E5%A4%96%E6%A0%87%E5%87%86/ADR/

[Basil135]

If you went to Regency, then I know exactly who you are talking about.

This same person defected a brand new car. :eek: I know this because it was my D4.

Without going into the story again, she is of the opinion that she is right, and it is up to you to prove everything. :mad:

[Eevo]

maybe put in a complaint about a person that has anti land rover bias.
ive always found regency to be tough but fair. this doesnt sound fair.

[mudmouse]

Mate that's a disgrace! If the inspector has a bias against a particular vehicle that clearly influences their judgement then he/she shouldn't be there. The compliance is under an ADR, not their stupid opinion.

I hope you escalate a complaint against the fool.

Good luck with it mate, and I hope the only thing you have to change is the oil.

Matt.

[Chris J]

Here is a pic


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[The Beast]

nice truck, mate. i hope you get things sorted. sounds like you've found a petty bureaucrat there

[THE BOOGER]

Hey Chris have a look at this thread from REMLR its from all states just look for the SA posts

Registering a 'Perentie' Landrover (http://remlr.com/forum/index.php'topic=1465.0)

:)

[Outback 1]

id be getting the previous rego information and saying if it complied then why not now

[THE BOOGER]

Here,s a thread directly about SA rego

Perentie registration in South Australia (http://remlr.com/forum/index.php'topic=2177.msg21359#msg21359)

:)

[Mick_Marsh]

Here is a pic


http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/coil-sprung-military-land-rovers/85785d1413888614-what-did-you-do-your-perentie-today-wp_20141020_.jpg


So sorry. Sad news.
You will never get that registered. I'll tell you what, I'll dispose of it for you free of charge. Just meet me at the airport.


Seriously, you're the only person who has had trouble registering one of these RFSV's. Another person with a FFR had troubles with a different chassis number but Grays helped him out there.
I think Grays should be informed that this sort of shenanigans is going on as this will eventually have an impact on their auctions.

Good luck. I hope you get it sorted soon.

[Ancient Mariner]

www.ombudsman.sa.gov.au/‎

You could try this .We had a heap of grief with Queensland Transport once .I contacted the ombudsman Qld who were the best government dep I have ever dealt with :D good luck

[Blknight.aus]

I'm going to burst your bubble.

That's an rsv. The bolt on box's on the side are a part of a mission kit.

they have to come off for the vehicle to pass roadworthy.

[OneOneZero]

Hey Chris,


Best of luck with your rover. I had to get a engineering certificate because the chassis Number was different to the one on the plate. I'm in Victoria so the rules are different but still set me back $440. I'd say go to a different engineer, she clearly has it in for Rovers and isn't obeying the law. I'd contact AFM also to let them know, They might have insight and support you with some documents, I've herd they have done that in the past. Go elsewhere get it sorted then report her to SA govt or governing body i'd say if you can be bothered. If your RFSV has a compliance plate, the ADR's that are covered for that Vehicle will be listed, decipher them to see what is covered by the plate before pulling anything off!


Best of luck Mate!

[isuzurover]

Any updates?

Take the boxes Dave refers to off the sides and take it through the inspection again.

[DeeJay]

Any updates?

Take the boxes Dave refers to off the sides and take it through the inspection again.

Once the boxes are off, it is the same as the 1500 or so sold ( & mostly registered).
Hard for them to argue against that weight of numbers.

[Baggy]

Attached is photo of a scout vehicle on show in WA on weekend .....its licensed guns and all :D

As others have said I'd remove the boxes on outside of vehicle, and hope that common sense prevails.

Hope you get it sorted and are on the road soon.

cheers

Baggy

[Outback]

Have you had any luck?

[Mick_Marsh]

I read on REMLR it is now registered with little modification.

[THE BOOGER]

Yep its registered minus the side baskets and rear seat Chris posted on REMLR about a week ago:)

[Outback]

Excellent!

[James P B]

Having worked in aftermarket and compliance/vehicle modifications (albeit WA) it would appear that the engineer in question is not applying correct interpretation to the relevant design riles applicable to the vehicle and its year.

That said if the vehicle is unmodified from manufacture then an engineers certificate should not be required - did you speak to your DOT? a road worthy inspection should be all that is needed - in WA these are done at the 'pits' owned and operated by the Transport Dept, maybe third party in SA

[Aussie Jeepster]

I finally got around to registering my GS Perentie today in SA.
Purchased in April, registered today! Yeah, I know - a long time between drinks, but I wanted to do some work on it, plus the rear drive shaft was basically stuffed and had to be rebuilt.
Yesterday I got the permit to drive it to Regency Park which cost about $40.
This morning I headed off for the first ever drive in the truck! Loved the drive - steering is a bit loose, but I'll never worry about answering the mobile, as I can't hear it!!!!!
I did NOT take it for a roadworthy, I took it for an ID check at 7 Naweena Rd.
Filled in the forms and was called 10 mins later to present it for them.
Schmoozed the inspector (although I didn't really need to as he was a genuinely nice guy) and asked if I could show him where the ID numbers were to save him time. I'd cleaned them all up for him so it took no time at all. Found out he had done 28 years in the RAAF, so with my Perentie being Ex-RAAF, we had good mutual ground.
He took 10 mins to do his thing, then disappeared into an office to do his computer checks and came out 5 mins later with the completed paperwork.
Absolutely no issues whatsoever.
Then it was up the road to fork out $1400 for rego, third party etc, and I had my plates.
It was all too easy, and after some of the stories I have read, I did breath a big sigh when it was all finished.
My suggestion to ANYONE in SA is do NOT go for a roadworthy, just do the inspection. I had taken off the tool holders on the bonnet because I put a checkplate panel on it, but it all went without mention.
By the way, full insurance through Shannons for $12K cover is $400.
Hope this helps others, and I have posted this on the REMLR forums also.

[spudboy]

I took my FFR for inspection at Regency.

The day before I took it, I met the head inspector - can't remember his name, and went through everything with him. He said it MUST have a key fitted and the convoy lights had to be removed.

Turned up the next day with a key kit and convoy lights still fitted (it was straight from the auction) and had a hassle with the inspector assigned to me. Lots of sucking of breath and shaking of head.

Asked to see the head guy please (the one I saw the day before) and he smoothed it all out for me. As I was leaving, another FFR turned up!

This was in December last year, so they must have seen 50 go through since then.

Try and find her boss. You will have to take the stuff on the side off, and the convoy lights off.

Sorry to hear it's turned to poop, but keep perservering!

[Eevo]

.
My suggestion to ANYONE in SA is do NOT go for a roadworthy, just do the inspection.

who would be silly enough to go though roadworthy when only an inspection is needed?
90% of cars fail roadworthy.

[Aussie Jeepster]

Unfortunately, I've had emails from 2 others who were told (rightly or wrongly) they had to go through a roadworthy as the vehicle was not built to ADR specs (again, this is what they were told). And it has been a tale of woe from then on.
Most of us believe what we are told by those who we believe know more than us. I got given a lot of info on what I needed to do to my GS to get it registered, almost all of which turned out to be somewhat misleading.
It is the benefit of forums like this that help to overcome some of those issues.
Hell, mine even went through today with 3010 km on the speedo. They did query it, but I showed him the logbook and he was happy.

[AIF]

If I bought a GS 110 at the SA auctions, would I be able to get a permit to drive it back to NSW to get it registered here? If so where would the permit have to be issued from, SA or NSW?
Cheers.

[Mick_Marsh]

If I bought a GS 110 at the SA auctions, would I be able to get a permit to drive it back to NSW to get it registered here? If so where would the permit have to be issued from, SA or NSW?
Cheers.
Get the permit at point of departure, SA.