Diesel Quad.. Anyone got one of these?

[Sitec]

Ok, firstly, mods, if this is in the wrong spot then shift it to the right one. Sorry!

Right.. Arctic Cat 700 Super Duty Diesel Quad (also badged as a Massey Ferguson 700d in Europe).... Im thinkin about buyin one as I want another quad. I know they're not as fast as a big petrol, but they carry 20 litres of diesel and will do well over triple the distance an equivalent petrol quad will! Anyone got one or seen one? Im off to play with one on sat... Cheers for now! :)

[nat_89]

Never seen them pretty interesting actually. Would be keen to know what speeds they do?

[Sitec]

Here it is in action. Top speed believed to be 60kph. Going to look at one on sat! :)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VcAzUhsekxo

[nat_89]

HAHA thats pretty awesome definitely different will be interesting to see what you think!

[mark_coffey]

So, how long before you drop a cummins into that then?

[Eevo]

diesel engines are heavier in general though?

[BMKal]

Drop a couple of twin stacks onto the back of it and "juice it up" a little bit. ;)

Would look brilliant belching out a bit of black smoke when you give it a bit of stick. :p

Great idea though - I wonder if I can convince the powers that be that a couple of these would be a good idea on one of our minesites - would be great for "security" checks on Cockatoo Island - just need to make up a bracket to carry the fishing rods. :angel:

[carjunkieanon]

Does anyone make diesel lawnmower/whippersnipper/blower/generator etc?
Just curious.

[isuzurover]

Does anyone make diesel lawnmower/whippersnipper/blower/generator etc?
Just curious.

I recall the smallest production diesel is around 200cc. I have a yanmar 400 cc di diesel at work.

[loanrangie]

Simon, do they have a turbo on them - plenty of scope for power increase if they dont :twisted:.

Just googled and they dont, now how small a turbo can you get.

[101RRS]

I did a google and couldn't find the answer - so what is their power and revs, and engine layout - aircooled or water cooled.

A nice diesel would go well in the back of my Haflinger. But if it can only do 60kph in ATV format I guess it does not a have a lot of power.

Cheers

Garry

[Sitec]

Simon, do they have a turbo on them - plenty of scope for power increase if they dont :twisted:.

Just googled and they dont, now how small a turbo can you get.

Funny you should mention that... They don't, but there's a guy in the US that I've been chatting to who is putting together a kit to turbo intercool them! That will be happening!! :) Mitsu TD02 is the turbo that's used.... Here's a pic!

[Sitec]

I did a google and couldn't find the answer - so what is their power and revs, and engine layout - aircooled or water cooled.

A nice diesel would go well in the back of my Haflinger. But if it can only do 60kph in ATV format I guess it does not a have a lot of power.

Cheers

Garry

Hi Garry. If you Google Arctic Cat Australia, then click on ATV's. Scroll down until you find the 700 Super Duty Diesel. Click on the image and the spec will appear.
They are fitted with a water cooled Lombardini twin cylinder diesel that's just under 700cc. That's linked to a selectable gearbox via a Vario belt. Selectable 2/4wd whilst on the move, and diff locks front and back! 20 litre diesel tank with huge range. Not huge on 'get up and go' but certainly usable. They're $13000 new, but I've found an 08yr Cat badged as a Massey Ferguson with 800hrs on it in Europe for $6000.. Still deciding so going to have a look at one innBordertown on Sat! :)

[nat_89]

Does anyone make diesel lawnmower/whippersnipper/blower/generator etc?
Just curious.

You can get small ride on mowers in diesel i think they generally run Kubota engines but there pretty expensive, as far as i know there isn't any diesel whipper snippers or blowers and as for generators i think there is quite a few of them but there up around the 8kva mark.

[Sitec]

You can get small ride on mowers in diesel i think they generally run Kubota engines but there pretty expensive, as far as i know there isn't any diesel whipper snippers or blowers and as for generators i think there is quite a few of them but there up around the 8kva mark.

Yeah, I sell Kubota's, and the smallest is a 3 cylinder 18hp diesel found in the B and BX series of tractors/mowers. There is a ride on with the same engine but as nat_89 says, they're not cheep. The petrol powered Zero Turn is a great buy tho!

[isuzurover]

Simon, do they have a turbo on them - plenty of scope for power increase if they dont :twisted:.

Just googled and they dont, now how small a turbo can you get.

From my discussions with Dougal IRC the smallest turbo available would be good for a 600cc+ diesel.

So yes :twisted:

[Dougal]

From my discussions with Dougal IRC the smallest turbo available would be good for a 600cc+ diesel.

So yes :twisted:

That was the Garrett GT0632SZ that I crunched the numbers for as it was smallest and still way too big for 400cc. I can't recall the TD02 specs, there is also the IHI RHB31 or something like it.

700cc could be worth it.

[Hoges]

Does anyone make diesel lawnmower/whippersnipper/blower/generator etc?
Just curious.

The smallest diesel engines are those used for powering model aircraft... some of them have a reasonable displacement and would probably operate a blower. Noise suppression might be an issue however.

[isuzurover]

The smallest diesel engines are those used for powering model aircraft... some of them have a reasonable displacement and would probably operate a blower. Noise suppression might be an issue however.

If you are talking about the compression ignition engines that run on a mixture of kero and ether, then they are not diesels and poor Rudolph would be turning in his grave.

In his own words:

“It is often asserted without hesitation by the laity even in scientific circles that the important point of the Diesel process is the self-ignition of the fuel; and that the object of the high compression is that the fuel, injected at dead centre, shall ignite itself, the high degree of compression being demanded by this self ignition.
Nothing is more incorrect than this superficial view, which is directly contrary to the facts and especially to the historical development (of the idea).

Motors with self-ignition of the fuel had existed before. Neither in my patents or my writings did I mention self-ignition as a goal to be sought. I was seeking a process with the highest heat efficiency, as it turned out; self-ignition was naturally involved in this. If the air is heated by compression to a point far above the ignition point of the fuel, the ignition of the fuel in contact with this air follows automatically; but it is not the object of this high compression. Self-ignition of every liquid or vaporised fuel within an engine already heated by work takes place at quite low pressure, of 5-10 or at most 15 Atmospheres. It would thus be much simpler to construct lighter and cheaper engines for these degrees of compression, and overcome the difficulty of ignition in a cold engine by employing artificial ignition temporarily. It would be absurd merely for the sake of ignition when the machine is cold to construct such heavy and unhandy engines to withstand a pressure of 30-40 Atmospheres, since, once the engines are warmed by work, they run quite as satisfactorily under lower pressures, as has often been shown by experiment.

The object of the system, sought through many long years and realised with such difficulty, is however quite different, namely the attainment of the highest possible fuel efficiency; this object necessitates highly compressed air. Since, however, this produces self-ignition much too soon in the fuel mixed with the air, therefore self-ignition by compression as it was known in the gas engines of those days was an obstacle to the process and had to be avoided in that form. It was necessary that the air alone should be so highly compressed by mechanical means as to give the desired heat efficiency.

The degree of this compression is determined not by the ignition of the fuel but, corresponding to the original object, by the maximum utilization of the fuel.”

[PAT303]

Hi Garry. If you Google Arctic Cat Australia, then click on ATV's. Scroll down until you find the 700 Super Duty Diesel. Click on the image and the spec will appear.
They are fitted with a water cooled Lombardini twin cylinder diesel that's just under 700cc. That's linked to a selectable gearbox via a Vario belt. Selectable 2/4wd whilst on the move, and diff locks front and back! 20 litre diesel tank with huge range. Not huge on 'get up and go' but certainly usable. They're $13000 new, but I've found an 08yr Cat badged as a Massey Ferguson with 800hrs on it in Europe for $6000.. Still deciding so going to have a look at one innBordertown on Sat! :)

13K would buy a very good road registered ute,just saying. Pat

[Sitec]

13K would buy a very good road registered ute,just saying. Pat

It'd also buy rainwater tanks, help re roof the house or render it, pay for a big trip, etc etc etc.... But we only get one crack at life and I tend to buy what I want! ;)

[101RRS]

I did a google and couldn't find the answer - so what is their power and revs, and engine layout - aircooled or water cooled.

A nice diesel would go well in the back of my Haflinger. But if it can only do 60kph in ATV format I guess it does not a have a lot of power.

Cheers

Garry


Hi Garry. If you Google Arctic Cat Australia, then click on ATV's. Scroll down until you find the 700 Super Duty Diesel. Click on the image and the spec will appear.
They are fitted with a water cooled Lombardini twin cylinder diesel that's just under 700cc.

Thanks - I had already found that but it doesn't give a lot of the information I was after. I see that it is an inline twin cylinder water cooled but not power, torque, revs etc - I will keep looking.

Cheers

Garry

[Sitec]

Thanks - I had already found that but it doesn't give a lot of the information I was after. I see that it is an inline twin cylinder water cooled but not power, torque, revs etc - I will keep looking.

Cheers

Garry

Think its the bigger twin cylinder of the two here.....

http://www.lombardinigroup.it/documents/266679/300108/Water_cooled_diesel_engines_8.6-26.0_kW_ENG_LR.pdf

[Don 130]

This (http://www.biodieselmagazine.com/articles/1911/small-engine-ingenuity) gives some of the figures.
Don.

[101RRS]

This (http://www.biodieselmagazine.com/articles/1911/small-engine-ingenuity) gives some of the figures.
Don.

Thanks - exactly what I was after.

Cheers

Garry

[AndyG]

Does anyone make diesel lawnmower/whippersnipper/blower/generator etc?
Just curious.

John Deere had a ride on mower, not sure about current range.

[BMKal]

Yeah, I sell Kubota's, and the smallest is a 3 cylinder 18hp diesel found in the B and BX series of tractors/mowers. There is a ride on with the same engine but as nat_89 says, they're not cheep. The petrol powered Zero Turn is a great buy tho!

Interesting. I was beginning to wonder if anyone still sold the Kubota mowers - I haven't seen any around over here for years.

They used to be very popular in country WA, especially with councils etc. I bought mine (standard 5hp petrol push-along) when I bought the house in Kalgoorlie in 1991 and it still runs as well as the day I bought it. Only thing that has deteriorated with age is the "grass catcher" bag on the back of it. Still holds grass, but the handles have all started to tear off at the stitching.

It replaced a Honda petrol mower that we had in Alice Springs, which was reputed to be the best on the market at the time - the Kubota crapped all over the Honda, especially in long, wet grass. ;)

[Don 130]

There is also this, but you may have come across it already.

!!The OFFICIAL Turbo Super Duty Diesel Thread!! - ArcticChat.com - Arctic Cat Forum (http://www.arcticchat.com/forum/utility-performance-technical-info/304948-official-turbo-super-duty-diesel-thread.html)

Which includes this one:
Finally picked up my 700 Diesel. Mod time! - ArcticChat.com - Arctic Cat Forum (http://www.arcticchat.com/forum/utility-performance-technical-info/299809-finally-picked-up-my-700-diesel-mod-time.html)

Don.

[rovercare]

Yeah, I sell Kubota's, and the smallest is a 3 cylinder 18hp diesel found in the B and BX series of tractors/mowers. There is a ride on with the same engine but as nat_89 says, they're not cheep. The petrol powered Zero Turn is a great buy tho!

I have a diesel Kubota mower:D

Not sure riding around on a diesel quad would be the most enjoyable experience......I'd be checking to see how noisy it is and the vibrations!

[rovercare]

13K would buy a very good road registered ute,just saying. Pat

Farmer across the road has all the cost analysis for everything on his farm, quads are the dearest thing to run, period

They also have a Suzuki sierra, newish one, lasts forever, cheap to run, but can't quite move around the paddock at the same speed:D

[loanrangie]

They also have a Suzuki sierra, newish one, lasts forever, cheap to run, but can't quite move around the paddock at the same speed:D

Obviously not trying hard enough :).

[rovercare]

Obviously not trying hard enough :).

I should reiterate, for herding cattle, cutting them out of the mob etc

[Sitec]

Ok, perhaps I should have said a little more about what Im after.. Im looking for a quad that will cover decent distance, (beaches and bush etc), over un chartered terrain, whilst being able to carry enough food for a few nights out, a swag and poss my dog, be very good on fuel and leave little trace. A Fourby can't do this without smashing itself and the surroundings up. A quad with a bit of careful driving can duck in and out of bush land and trundle along a beach leaving little markings. :)

[101RRS]

You need one of these :)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ (http://s42.photobucket.com/user/gazzz21/media/2014-11-21_15-42-00_641_zps4b832aed.jpg.html)

[2stroke]

Even those of us who don't need one want one... Have you looked at the Kawasaki Mule? They are available with a 900cc straight triple diesel, might be ok in the Haffie?

[Sitec]

You need one of these :)

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/gazzz21/2014-11-21_15-42-00_641_zps4b832aed.jpg (http://s42.photobucket.com/user/gazzz21/media/2014-11-21_15-42-00_641_zps4b832aed.jpg.html)

Used to trial these with the AWDC years ago. Surprising where they'd go. Used to c them fall over a bit tho! :)

[2stroke]

Ok, perhaps I should have said a little more about what Im after.. Im looking for a quad that will cover decent distance, (beaches and bush etc), over un chartered terrain, whilst being able to carry enough food for a few nights out, a swag and poss my dog, be very good on fuel and leave little trace. A Fourby can't do this without smashing itself and the surroundings up. A quad with a bit of careful driving can duck in and out of bush land and trundle along a beach leaving little markings. :)

I have one of these, twin air locked, 133:1 in low first on 32" tyres. Fun with a 2 stroke engine but more useful with a diesel.

[PAT303]

Farmer across the road has all the cost analysis for everything on his farm, quads are the dearest thing to run, period

They also have a Suzuki sierra, newish one, lasts forever, cheap to run, but can't quite move around the paddock at the same speed:D

They'd want to have some good points,brainiac designed the oil filter position. :mad: Pat

[Sitec]

So I did it!!! Bought one, and now I've covered 25kms on it and love it! It goes better than I'd thought it would, and I spent ten min chasing the neighbour on his 400cc petrol and he couldn't loose me! SWMBO even had a smile on her face when she was tanking around the paddock at 50+ kmh!! Win win!! :)

[Sitec]

Exploring the Erica Range & beyond. on Vimeo

Here's a great video of three Diesel Arctic Cat 700's exploring some amazing scenery! Can't wait to find similar!

[Sitec]

And here's mine!

[mick88]

They'd want to have some good points,brainiac designed the oil filter position. :mad: Pat



What do you mean?
Is it getting access to the filter for servicing or is there another issue?




Cheers, Mick.

[BMKal]

Great looking bit of gear Sitec.

Now that I know that these are available in diesel, time to begin convincing the powers that be of the benefits of a couple of these on at least one of our mine sites ................... would be great on Cockatoo Island. :twisted: