defender lift kit

[xtremeslug]

i have a 2000 xtreme defender with 2 inch raised spring and shocks can i do a 2 inch body lift without affecting my abs & traction control.

[landy_man]

why do you want to body lift the defender... what size tyres are you running or planning on running...
Unfortunately, body lifts on Defenders are almost impossible as the body mounts are not conventional i.e. a bolt through the floor, through mounts to hole in chassis... they are "molded" around the chassis and your bulkhead forms part of this...

I am yet to see a body lifted defender :?

[xtremeslug]

the tyre size i am going to run is 35/13.5x16 i only want to run them xtreme 4x4 tracks not on road.

[Gidget]

I have looked at this with mine, but it looks easier to go with a 4" suspension lift style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif , so I am in the process of finding out how to do this. Lovells springs with blisten shocks apears to be the way to go, but I have no more info than that at present.

[xtremeslug]

In February's 4wd monthly a defender has a 6" lift but they give no info on what happens with abs & traction control sensors , I email 4wd monthly a week ago for more info but no reply.

[xtremeslug]

landy-man what is TBR(excuse my ignorance)

[landy_man]

lol..... dont believe everything you read in magazines...
you will fit 35's under a defender with a 2" lift and a little fender trimming..
no need to lift it any further.... the lower the vehicle the better off road it will be i.e. more stable and balanced...
going with a 6" lift is just rediculous... you would need new fr & rr driveshafts, new radius & trailing arms, your swivels would need to be machined to overcome the castor issues, new brake lines all round... abs leads will need extending etc etc... and this is just the begining...
go buy your tyres, fit them and then start trimming your arches...

TBR is secret mens business :wink:

[DaveS3]

Originally posted by landy_man

go buy your tyres, fit them and then start trimming your arches...



This is the best advise. You will find that the tyres will rip the *hit out of you flares if you dont cut them, so either loose them and fit garden edging flares or space them out like 4WD monthly.

Dave.

[rmp]

Seriously consider whether you *need* to lift the vehicle that high.

A stock Defender will go a LOT of places. Even further with muddies and twin lockers, and a one inch lift.

Why bother beyond that?

The more mods you do, the more expensive it gets the the worse the reliability. Trust me, I've seen it many times, the modded trucks are always the first ones to break down.

[landy_man]

Originally posted by rmp
the modded trucks are always the first ones to break down.

what a load of rot.... sorry mate, but that is just not true...
my rangie is heavily modded and has never broken down... it is usually the stock vehicles that end up breaking something... usually axles and cv's....
when you modify your vehicle, the aim is to replace the component with something stronger so that it does not break....

as for lifting the vehicle too high... you are correct... big lift kits only work well at the MALL

[rmp]

Originally posted by landy_man+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(landy_man)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-rmp
the modded trucks are always the first ones to break down.

what a load of rot.... sorry mate, but that is just not true...
my rangie is heavily modded and has never broken down... it is usually the stock vehicles that end up breaking something... usually axles and cv's....
when you modify your vehicle, the aim is to replace the component with something stronger so that it does not break....

as for lifting the vehicle too high... you are correct... big lift kits only work well at the MALL[/b][/quote]

Everyone has their own opinion and mine is based on my experience.

For example, at last weekend's Pajero Challenge all the vehicle with problems (engine fire, broken CVs, broken various) were highly modded. All the stock vehicles were fine. The way I look at it, if you put bigger, heavier tyres on for example then you need a stronger drivetrain. And all the while you're adding weight to the vehicle. If you put a lift in you're changing driveshaft angles, and the list goes on and on. All this can be dealt with but many people don't bother.

So I stand by what I wrote, but will perhaps qualify it with -- modded trucks that haven't been properly designed with regard for all the consequence of any given modification. And by mods I mean lift kits, big tyres, different engines etc. Not touring mods or direct-replacement stronger bits of kit.

[landy_man]

Originally posted by rmp
So I stand by what I wrote, but will perhaps qualify it with -- modded trucks that haven't been properly designed with regard for all the consequence of any given modification. And by mods I mean lift kits, big tyres, different engines etc. Not touring mods or direct-replacement stronger bits of kit.

i will agree with you there.... just because you can bolt something on does not make it safe or strong.... but usually when something breaks you put something stronger in its place...all depends on how hard u drive, what u drive and with whom you drive... and how deep your pockets are :wink:

[camel_landy]

If you want to see how to lift a truck properly.... Have a look at how the Icelandic guys do it!!!!

I was over there a few years back and the way they do it is awesome... In fact, you can buy a brand new Landy from the main dealer with an 8" lift already fitted (while retaining the warranty)! I've also seen trucks with 2x transfer boxes to give them an ultra-low, low range.

Mark.

[Gidget]

So when I cut the gaurds will the standard flares still fit back on? or will I have to make new ones????????? Thanks.

[DaveS3]

If you only cut the edges of the guards a little they will stretch. You may neet to trim the outer edge off the flare which has the metal rod support.

Otherwise bunnings sell garden edgine in different widths that would be suitable and strong aswell. This i what i use on my series 3 with mangled guards.

Dave.

[Gidget]

Thanks mate after I get my tyres in a month or so I will start cutting & see what fits after I am done

[Reads90]

Don't need to bother my 90 had a 2" OME lift and ran 35 " simex
Was fine had to trim the corners of the spats but aprt from that not a problem
http://www.reads4x4.com/ex11.JPG

and my brothe has the same and on a slope he has no problem

http://www.reads4x4.com/ixi9.JPG
http://www.reads4x4.com/ixi4.JPG

[Gidget]

What diff ratio's are you blokes running with 35" tyres?????????
Sorry for the hy jack

[Reads90]

Originally posted by Gidget
What diff ratio's are you blokes running with 35" tyres?????????
Sorry for the hy jack

4.75 Kam ring and pinions
http://www.reads4x4.com/newold.JPG

One on the left is the one with the toughened kam ring and pinions

[landy_man]

i run 4.5 toyota hydrid diffs, 30 spline axles and Longfield cv's 8)

[Gidget]

Can I have some more info please, if you don't mind, Where from & how much & is it worth it, PLEASE

[Reads90]

Originally posted by Gidget
Can I have some more info please, if you don't mind, Where from & how much & is it worth it, PLEASE

Oh God yeah
Mine is a 200 TDi and my brothers (the grey one) is a 4.2 V8. With the diesel the gearing was so out with the 35" tyres that i was having to slip the clutch to get the power band right for the turbo . 2nd low was useless and 1st was still too high. This mean't i was going though clutches every 1500 to 2000 miles.
The tyres take the gearing up by about 28% , fitting the 4.75 ring and pinions take it back down by 30%. So this means it is alot better to drive on the road and off road. You can climb most things in 3rd .
My brother has done th same bacause his is an Auto and it was changing gear all the time for the same reason . But since he has put them in his truck goes like a rocket and behaves like a dream. Will still get to 120 mph (195kph)on the road

Cost . Well they caot about £250 ($600) a Diff. But are rated up to 550 BHP

Got them direct from Kam
http://www.kamdiffs.com/landrover_4_75.htm

[Gidget]

Thanks a heap will look into it, mine is 300 tdi & I flog the clutch enough now with the 32" mtr's, & am looking to go to 35" simex.

Thanks again