Apparently France wants to ban diesel...

[FeatherWeightDriver]

...or so the news would have us believe.

France to rank cars for pollution, wants to phase out diesel fuel | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/28/france-diesel-idUSL6N0TI42020141128)

Sounds like a "convenient tax" to me... I can't wait until our local politicians get in on the act! :mad:

[LandyAndy]

Fair enough!!!!! It does kill Frogs if spilt in the watercourse;);););)
Andrew

[disco man]

The UK is also taking action on diesel pollution.

BBC News - Court puts more heat on diesels (http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-30119279)

[isuzurover]

Quite a while back stuttgart banned older diesels from the city. Or rather you can drive in if you are happy to pay the fine. Rego labels have a colour which denotes Whether you are ok or not.

[vnx205]

About 80 percent of French motorists drive diesel-powered cars.

It seems diesel cars are currently fairly popular there.

[Dougal]

So the French want electric cars? They'll be terrible in winter.

Last time I was in the UK the old red double deckers had plaques by the doors stating they had been repowered with euro 5 compliant diesels.

[simonmelb]

Quite a while back stuttgart banned older diesels from the city. Or rather you can drive in if you are happy to pay the fine. Rego labels have a colour which denotes Whether you are ok or not.

Yep, my Son lives in Bayreuth, Bavaria and chose a later model car (Golf, petrol) so he was able to drive up to and through Berlin and other Green cities. http://www.german-way.com/travel-and-tourism/driving-in-europe/driving/driving-in-germany-green-zones/

I recon this would be a better approach for the French than prescriptively banning one fuel type.

[ramblingboy42]

We all know diesel is dirty , but rather convenient.
Having just come back from USA it is noted that very few buses are diesel , but rather run on natural gas.
We have so much of that in Australia we should be following suit.

[disco man]

We all know diesel is dirty , but rather convenient.
Having just come back from USA it is noted that very few buses are diesel , but rather run on natural gas.
We have so much of that in Australia we should be following suit.


G'day Dennis, This article explains a little of the American mindset towards diesel.

BBC - Autos - Why do Americans not drive diesels? (http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20130109-why-do-americans-not-buy-diesels)

[vnx205]

Diesel used to be a dirty fuel and a dirty word, but recent technologies have addressed both problems, which is why the world outside the United States thinks of the choice between gasoline and diesel as a foregone conclusion.
Maybe another problem with the USA adopting diesel is that they think it only comes in litres and they need to buy in gallons (and funny size gallons at that.) :p

[Dougal]

We all know diesel is dirty , but rather convenient.
Having just come back from USA it is noted that very few buses are diesel , but rather run on natural gas.
We have so much of that in Australia we should be following suit.

Diesel isn't dirty, it's just another hydrocarbon fuel. The engines can be as clean or dirty as you want them to be. Just like petrols.

All the buses I rode in when I was in California 10 years ago were diesel. Natural gas engines are a lot less efficient and have issues with range and refuelling.

The American public hates diesels because in the 70's the US auto makers made the worlds worst diesel engines. The public still remember that. They are completely unaware that the quiet and smoke free car sitting in front of them at the lights is actually a turbo diesel.
All they remember from the drive home was that retard in the flat billed hat who screwed with his diesel pickup so it would "roll coal" at every intersection.

France's situation is ridiculous because future emissions rules are going to have parity between petrol and diesel. Further, if everyone drove newer, or even in tune, vehicles the pollution problem would solve itself.
So targetting diesel vehicles is pointless. They should instead be targetting polluting vehicles of any type.

[Eevo]

They are completely unaware that the quiet and smoke free car sitting in front of them at the lights is actually a turbo diesel.


not if its tuned by that guy from Portugal.

[Mick_Marsh]

Remember, it was the French who wanted to cut down the trees because they killed the people who drove into them.

[d@rk51d3]

Maybe they should ban "taking a dump in the street" first.

[Dougal]

It might be the leaded paint flaking off the Awful Tower that's causing all these problems.
They stopped using leaded paint in about 1982. At least 30 years after the rest of the world decided it was a dumb idea!

*edit*
Online sources say it was 1995 the last time they painted with lead-based paints

[isuzurover]

Diesel isn't dirty, it's just another hydrocarbon fuel.

Sure, but diesel particulate is a class 1 human carcinogen. I am sure they are not trying to ban diesels as the article states, just older diesels which emit more particulates. Under the german environmental ratings a euro6 diesel ranks about the same as a petrol.

[Dougal]

Sure, but diesel particulate is a class 1 human carcinogen. I am sure they are not trying to ban diesels as the article states, just older diesels which emit more particulates. Under the german environmental ratings a euro6 diesel ranks about the same as a petrol.

Have you got any information on particulates from direct injection petrols? I've heard some of them will need particulate filters.

But I thought France was mostly concerned about NOx? When I went to Paris (winter) there was no point climbing past the second level of the tower as you couldn't see any further due to the smog.
You may have even struggled to see the ground!

[ramblingboy42]

you can see the ground from the Eiffel Tower in Las Vegas.

actually the air appeared to be very clean while we were there.

there are still a lot of diesel powered Ford and Chevy pickups running around there.....I think they have enough grunt to satisfy the seppos.

[Dougal]

you can see the ground from the Eiffel Tower in Las Vegas.

actually the air appeared to be very clean while we were there.

there are still a lot of diesel powered Ford and Chevy pickups running around there.....I think they have enough grunt to satisfy the seppos.

I don't think Vegas has a smog problem. But check out the continual crowd of brown NOx crap that just sits above LA! Apparently even the indians avoided that area as the smoke from their camp-fires wouldn't clear. But the silly white man wouldn't listen and built a huge city there anyway.

Christchurch over here has the same problem.

[isuzurover]

Have you got any information on particulates from direct injection petrols? I've heard some of them will need particulate filters.



di petrols and even ng engines emit a similar number of particles to diesels, however order of magnitude less mass. Eventually they may get particulate filters.

[DoubleChevron]

Have you seen the cars coming out of france recently ...... There about as appealing as a daepoo .... Nothing even slightly interesting has been built by Citroen for example since PSA took over back in the 80's.

At least land rover still make .... well land rovers.... They might have issues, but at least there still interesting :wasntme:

[Mick_Marsh]

Have you seen the cars coming out of france recently ...... There about as appealing as a daepoo .... Nothing even slightly interesting has been built by Citroen for example since PSA took over back in the 80's.

At least land rover still make .... well land rovers.... They might have issues, but at least there still interesting :wasntme:
You reckon?

My sisters C5 seems to be a nice car. The youngest Landrover I'd have would be a Perentie.
Mind you, the C5 is very French, you know, odd.