A spectacular example of how NOT to perform a recovery

[Bytemrk]

Sorry folks it's on the Book of Faces..... but no need to log in and worth a look...

http://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=861654437187993


I don't think you could possibly list all the things these guys do wrong :angel:



Spoiler.... just after the 4 minute mark it changes somewhat :P

[cripesamighty]

Words fail me....

[Bytemrk]

Words fail me....

Oh I have plenty of words...... but none I can type here :P

[Mick_Marsh]

Love it.

How to unbog a vehicle, bit by bit.

[d2dave]

I now know how to say "Now what" in Chinese. Would love to see part two, their next attempt.

Gold.:clap2:

[TerryO]

That is funny, remind me not to buy a Nissan Xtrail anytime soon.

[Will Wallace]

Ha.
Haha.
Hahhahaha.
Bbbwwwwaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahha!

Will

Follow the Sapper.

[disco man]

Is there a way to get that translated into English? I would like to know what was said the moment the Xtrail had its ass torn off. Is that the Chinese 4WD Action team?

[jacknz]

Come on, you can see it written all over his face, it have to be something like
" What's the missus going to say", silly boy will never hear the end of it, then there's the Mother In Law.....

[vnx205]

The standard of cinematography is about the same level as the standard of the recovery techniques.

Why is it that almost every "recovery" video consists of several minutes of people standing around scratching their heads, followed by a few seconds of what the video is supposed to be about and then concludes with several more minutes of people falling about laughing or weeping at the damage they have done.

There is absolutely nothing of interest until at least the 2 minute mark and not much worth watching until about the 4 minute mark.

I'm not having a shot at you for posting the video. My criticism is of the person who filmed it and first put it on the web. Don't these people know that movies are supposed to involve movement of people and objects in the frame, not just random movement of the camera? Don't these people understand that there is software available to edit videos? Don't they understand that this 5:42 video would have much more impact if it was edited to about 30 seconds?

What happened was spectacular and amusing, but why did they want us to be bored for about 5 minutes and amused for about half a minute?

[Tombie]

Is there a way to get that translated into English? I would like to know what was said the moment the Xtrail had its ass torn off. Is that the Chinese 4WD Action team?

GOLD :cool:

[jboot51]

I must say, that tie-down point was quite strong.

[101RRS]

I must say, that tie-down point was quite strong.

Yes I was quite surprised as well - to me it looks like the standard rear tow point rather than the rear tie down but irrespective of what it is, I was surprised the internal bumper of the vehicle came away rather than the tow/tie point breaking first.

Using a wire cable as a snatch strap - what were they thinking :o

[PAT303]

That happened in Shoalwater the other week,a Prado driver launched his boat off the beach,a boat ramp was 100 feet away and got stuck,a FJ cruiser snatched him out with a ratchet strap,the tie down eye ripped off the FJ. Pat

[PAT303]

Yes I was quite surprised as well - to me it looks like the standard rear tow point rather than the rear tie down but irrespective of what it is, I was surprised the internal bumper of the vehicle came away rather than the tow/tie point breaking first.

Using a wire cable as a snatch strap - what were they thinking :o

Hows your PDF going on your RRS :D,they cause lots of trouble you know :eek:,and stay away from the simpson,it's proven they can't go there. Pat

[bob10]

Yes I was quite surprised as well - to me it looks like the standard rear tow point rather than the rear tie down but irrespective of what it is, I was surprised the internal bumper of the vehicle came away rather than the tow/tie point breaking first.

Using a wire cable as a snatch strap - what were they thinking :o
Look between the 2 vehicles. Broken snatch strap. Was he even in 4 WD? I don't know that vehicle, I think at this point, we should have our members describe how they would attempt that recovery. I would be interested to see how it should be done, according to AULRO. Bob EDIT. in other words, put your expertise where your mouth is,

[101RRS]

Hows your PDF going on your RRS :D,they cause lots of trouble you know :eek:,and stay away from the simpson,it's proven they can't go there. Pat

I know where you have been :D. Discussion was basically OK but we now have the buy a Toyota type comments etc so it is time to exit.

[bob10]

I know where you have been :D. Discussion was basically OK but we now have the buy a Toyota type comments etc so it is time to exit.


So, you have no idea on how to do the recovery. Any one else? Or are you all going to chicken out? What is the saying, tarmac 4x4 . Bob

[Eevo]

I think at this point, we should have our members describe how they would attempt that recovery. I would be interested to see how it should be done, according to AULRO. Bob EDIT. in other words, put your expertise where your mouth is,

being in a land rover, we never would've gotten stuck in the first place.

[101RRS]

So, you have no idea on how to do the recovery. Any one else? Or are you all going to chicken out? What is the saying, tarmac 4x4 . Bob

Bob what are you talking about :confused:

I have no idea what you are on about.

[bob10]

Sorry mate, look back at post 16, I thought you were dodging the question. Bob

[Eevo]

how i would do that recovery.

the bogged vehicle appears to be down to the chassis, so start digging.
it also didnt appear to be in reverse.
lower tyre pressures
i would be using 2 snatch straps to increase the length, nothing worse than having no room to move

[bob10]

how i would do that recovery.

the bogged vehicle appears to be down to the chassis, so start digging.
it also didnt appear to be in reverse.
lower tyre pressures
i would be using 2 snatch straps to increase the length, nothing worse than having no room to move


Thanks Eevo, Makes sense, Not what I would do though. Any one else? Bob

[101RRS]

Bob EDIT. in other words, put your expertise where your mouth is,

Lacking tact a bit there Bob.


Sorry mate, look back at post 16, I thought you were dodging the question. Bob

In my view, the basic premise should be 1. Push, 2. Tow, 3. Winch and last 4. Snatch.

1. There is about 10 guys there - I didn't see them trying to push it out.

Number 2 option is Tow out - In my view they should have cleared the dirt mud away from the tyres, the 10 guys around the front on the car and with the tow car in 4wd and ready to go started to gently tow out with all the others pushing form the front - but they all seemed a bit reluctant to to get their feet wet. There is no winch and no snatch strap so both those options are not options.

Your Navy experience should inform you that shock loads on tight wire does not normally end well as it didn't in this case.

I am sure with the tyres cleared, all those guys pushing and the tow car maintaining a steady constant load the X trail or Great Wall or whatever it is would come out.

Happy now Bob :)

[bob10]

Lacking tact a bit there Bob.



In my view, the basic premise should be 1. Push, 2. Tow, 3. Winch and last 4. Snatch.

1. There is about 10 guys there - I didn't see them trying to push it out.

Number 2 option is Tow out - In my view they should have cleared the dirt mud away from the tyres, the 10 guys around the front on the car and with the tow car in 4wd and ready to go started to gently tow out with all the others pushing form the front - but they all seemed a bit reluctant to to get their feet wet. There is no winch and no snatch strap so both those options are not options.

Your Navy experience should inform you that shock loads on tight wire does not normally end well as it didn't in this case.

I am sure with the tyres cleared, all those guys pushing and the tow car maintaining a steady constant load the X trail or Great Wall or whatever it is would come out.

Happy now Bob :)


Look between the vehicles. A broken snatch strap. Yes I'm happy now, what you have said makes sense. Thank you. I'm a Queenslander, we are direct, you mob quite often don't get it, but that's ok. We'll cut you some slack ;) Still not what I would do. Bob

[Eevo]

no snatch strap

looks like the remains of one on the ground

[Eevo]

the 10 guys around the front on the car

i dont agree. this just puts 10 people at risk is injury.

[101RRS]

looks like the remains of one on the ground

Or a couple of rachet straps - either way of no use.


i dont agree. this just puts 10 people at risk is injury.

I am talking about at the front of the bogged vehicle - yes dangerous if a snatch but a gentle tow should be OK. However I do agree that safety should be the major consideration and if in doubt don't do it - definitely not safe the way they snatched the vehicle in the vid.

[bob10]

Eevo has the answer. I said I would hand the driver of a un prepared vehicle taken some where it had no right to be, a telephone No. of the nearest recovery professional . Eevo said , if it was a mate, he would do what was necessary to help. I was wrong, Eevo is right. Thanks for reminding me Eevo. Sometimes we forget. Bob

[Bushie]

I'm a Queenslander, we are direct, you mob quite often don't get it, but that's ok. We'll cut you some slack

That's generous of you - the rest of us are Australians. :D:D:D

In some ways this one reminds me of a time one of our group were bogged down at Yalwal during a flood.
One snatch strap was broken (or actually cut by the front underbody metalwork).
A couple of Landys arrived full of Navy guys from Creswell, they succeeded in snapping their winch cable and simultaneously taking out the back window of the Landy with the end of the cable. The guy in charge then said OK everybody in the water, and between us we picked the hilux up turned it around and it was driven out of the water.

Reducing the load on the front and a slow winch or tow may have got it out, for some reason, a shovel seems to be the last bit of recovery gear employed rather than the first.

Martyn

[Eevo]

a shovel seems to be the last bit of recovery gear employed rather than the first.

cause its hard work! thats why.

[V8Ian]

The best solution would have been:

1- Remove all personal goods and chattels.
2- Push it in the rest of the way.
3- Hitch a lift home.

Job done. :twisted:

[Bushie]

cause its hard work! thats why.

Often short term pain for long term gain though.


Martyn

[Eevo]

Often short term pain for long term gain though.


Martyn

no pain no gain?
my physio was right.

[disco man]

The best solution would have been:

1- Remove all personal goods and chattels.
2- Push it in the rest of the way.
3- Hitch a lift home.

Job done. :twisted:

That's awesome Ian:Rolling::Rolling: :D

[bob10]

That's generous of you - the rest of us are Australians. :D:D:D

In some ways this one reminds me of a time one of our group were bogged down at Yalwal during a flood.
One snatch strap was broken (or actually cut by the front underbody metalwork).
A couple of Landys arrived full of Navy guys from Creswell, they succeeded in snapping their winch cable and simultaneously taking out the back window of the Landy with the end of the cable. The guy in charge then said OK everybody in the water, and between us we picked the hilux up turned it around and it was driven out of the water.

Reducing the load on the front and a slow winch or tow may have got it out, for some reason, a shovel seems to be the last bit of recovery gear employed rather than the first.

Martyn


What you have to understand is , Bushie, the Army teaches 4Wd, the Navy Throws the keys to who ever draws the short straw,& says, get on with it. They have to work it out for themselves. Bob

[Ancient Mariner]

What you have to understand is , Bushie, the Army teaches 4Wd, the Navy Throws the keys to who ever draws the short straw,& says, get on with it. They have to work it out for themselves. Bob

From what i saw of the army on the CY telegraph track in 1971 the navy way was probably better:D

AM

[Bushie]

Saw a very short lived recovery demo by the army once - they drove their anchors down through underground power :o:o.

Martyn

[460cixy]

Saw a very short lived recovery demo by the army once - they drove their anchors down through underground power :o:o.

Martyn

That would have been fun hahahaha

[THE BOOGER]

The army b2/b3 lic spends most of the course time on not getting into those situations in the first place:) now they have the new trucks they will have to learn to recover bogged MB,s:wasntme:

[bob10]

In that recovery, what about: High lift jack, with appropriate base, and something solid under the wheels [ rocks etc.]


Or Maxtracs or similar, perhaps combined with high lift jack. Bob

[Eevo]

In that recovery, what about: High lift jack, with appropriate base, and something solid under the wheels [ rocks etc.]


Or Maxtracs or similar, perhaps combined with high lift jack. Bob
most people dont have those

[bob10]

most people dont have those


True, and that vehicle would have been hamstrung by the fact, possibly the only point a high lift jack could be used would be on each wheel rim, using a Gerry rigged strop of some kind. This would mean side body damage, from the jack. But, I think it could work, with some imagination. I have a high lift jack, which I lay on the floor in the back seat area, If I think I may need it. I haven't had to use it, yet, and that is not because of my 4WD skills. It's because of the vehicle. Bob

[THE BOOGER]

My first option would be shovel and winch with a dbl line pull ,
second would be a snatch after some digging but AFAIK neither of those cars have low range or probably even a winch . The 1st attempt they don't even have some one in the drivers seat of the bogged car :( They were an accident trying to happen;)

[bob10]

Yes and it was sand, not mud. A shovel there may not be the best option.Bob

[Disco Muppet]

It might not be the best option but it sure as **** ain't the worst. Clearing as much 'debris' from around the to-be recovered vehicle at a minimum gives you more space to work, a good thing IMHO.

I'd agree with Geoff, winch it out. However as they didn't appear to have that....
A trick I've seen is using floor mats as traction aids. Might not be perfect and you might get muddy mats but it's better than not getting your car out.
And get the lazy buggers standing around to help push.

[Ancient Mariner]

And get the lazy buggers standing around to help push.[/QUOTE]

Better option an exhaust jack and cordaroy a track with them:twisted::D

[YOLO110]

Interesting thoughts about what seems to be probably a fairly "standard" water bogging?

I am new here, so no previous experience about what to do. But I am thinking about two solutions?

A: If a vehicle equipped with a winch would have been able to haul it out?

B: If if the guy was by himself with a front mounted winch, if he would have been able to retrieve himself?

If so, how?

Cheers,

Pete :)

[THE BOOGER]

First is to make sure there are no unnecessary obstacles (sand or mud) so dig them out to make an easier pull if he has a front mounted winch and is by himself then use his spare tyre as an anchor and pull himself out front ways, but using another vehicle and pulling from the rear (with an appropriate) recovery point would be better. The point they used is not a recovery point so that was probably not going to end well what ever they did:(
These guys had underprepared vehicles and no apparent recovery training.

[Bushy049]

At least they decided to put somone in the xtrail halfway through

Sent from my HTC_PN071 using AULRO mobile app

[jonesfam]

Don't go there in the first place.
My Creed of 4WDing:
If in doubt - Chicken out!
Jonesfam
PS This has only developed since I turned 50.:confused:

[Ancient Mariner]

Don't go there in the first place.
My Creed of 4WDing:
If in doubt - Chicken out!
Jonesfam
PS This has only developed since I turned 50.:confused:
If in doubt add another 1000 RPM


PS This has only developed since I turned 70:o (Used to be 2000):D

[Disco Muppet]

When in doubt, power out :cool: :burnrubber: :angel: