1969 s2a I think

[Thunderbolt]

Hi everyone here's my $400 project car. I think its between April 69 and Jan 70 going by my research as its G suffix chassis number and engine number 24122168A. Apparently these are the high compression ones that came in April with the A suffix. It has a metal fan cowling which became plastic in Jan 70 so there's my Sherlock Holmes moment. It runs beautiful with tons of power I reckon anyway lol. The guy I bought it off claims the head was worked on, hardened valve seats etc. No roof don't know if it was canvas or not. Is there any way to know?
Cheers

[Lotz-A-Landies]

The closest engine I have a record to yours is engine 24122171A which was fitted to a vehicle originally sold in September 1970 (along with other relatively close engine numbers in the same month)

Suffix letters and some fittings in Australia don't necessarily correspond to details from the UK. The suffix here often lag behind by a couple of months and some components were manufactured in Australia so don't match the same part made in the UK

[Thunderbolt]

Wow, thanks for that, that really narrows it down! I've got a long way to go to get the old girl regoed. When I got her the rear diff center was stuffed, no brakes, no lights or blinkers worked, stuffed alternator, some chassis rust, birds nest style wiring, sounds like the usual stuff lol. I've addressed most of that stuff now its going to be spring bushes engine mounts and the like and a roof of some sort, but she goes great and I really love her. I even pulled a rangie out of one of the worst bogs I've seen with her ha! Anyway thanks again,
Cheers

[Lotz-A-Landies]

If I knew your chassis number we could check the date of other close vehicles originally sold in NSW. Engines often get swapped.

[Thunderbolt]

Hi chassis number is 25333206G which matches with the number on left rear. Its also got the Leyland/PMC plate with body number LRL24364 and serial 10924364 along with the usual wa "Faulls Pty" plate under the bonnet, many thanks
Cheers

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Any chance that your vehicle is red inside or underneath the paint on the outside?

The reason that I ask is that there is a batch of PMG vehicles for NSW distribution starting at 25333213G and possibly ending at 25333238G all September 1970. PMG vehicles were all painted in PMG fleet red. The PMG division that used Land Rovers was the telephone company that became Telecom/Telstra.
Because of the production issues of changing colours, PMC usually did large batches that would fill all the PMG orders across the whole of Australia and your's is so close it is a good possibility. PMG long wheelbase were always 4 cyl petrol where most civilian and many other government departments ordered the 6 cyl or diesel models.

If it were PMG it would either be a truck cab with ladder rack frame in the rear or a hard top. You can usually tell which one because of paired bolt holes and rubbing in the bodywork where the ladder racks were fitted. You may also see the line on the transom where the truck cab roof seal rubbed on the gal capping.

[Ozdunc]

I think Bill is Jan 1969
88"
Chassis 243170091g, engine 24114682a 8:1 'high' compression, so I reckon your dating is pretty much on the money.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

You could be correct about Bill, but I'd think he likely came off the PMC production line in March 1970.

In NSW 24316 prefix vehicles were still being sent to dealers in May 1970 although most had gone by March-April and the earliest 24317 dispatched to a dealer was 24317024G to Lannock Motors on 26/3/1970, there were earlier serials but they were dispatched in April.

[Thunderbolt]

I'll have a look when I get home. I know it was yellow at one time, its also got twin tanks wich I thought might have been specially ordered. At work at the moment groan.
Cheers

[Thunderbolt]

Right got home straight to the Landy found some red paint inside both doors, so I thought OK they could have been replaced but then I found some more by taillight, some under bonnet, and some under the air vent. Also the two holes above the fuel cap I'm assuming are for truck cab and ladder rack? Pretty exciting stuff if I've got a bit of telecommunications history lol

[Cobber]

That's interesting about the PMG and quite exciting that you've ended up with one by the looks. Well done :BigThumb:

[Thunderbolt]

Thanks Cobber, its great to find a bit of history for the old girl. I'm certainly glad I joined this site! I saw an old post on here from Shonky who put some pics of PMG vehicles from back in the day and someone mentioned the cups around the tail lights which mine has as well so I'd say its a pretty sure bet.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Right got home straight to the Landy found some red paint inside both doors, so I thought OK they could have been replaced but then I found some more by taillight, some under bonnet, and some under the air vent. Also the two holes above the fuel cap I'm assuming are for truck cab and ladder rack? Pretty exciting stuff if I've got a bit of telecommunications history lol
If it is yellow/gold as a complete re-paint this could have been a re-paint while still in PMG hands, to Telecom gold, but mostly the vehicles were sold off in original PMG red.

[Thunderbolt]

Yeah well the yellow is on top of the red and is all over and appears professionaly done. It sort of looks like egg yoke colour, on top of that is a paint brush job grey lol. Thanks for all the help I really appreciate it and hopefully it might help some others as well. I've gotta pull finger and get her up to scratch, but as I say she runs like a dream and thanks to a couple extra earth straps the lights and blinkers work all the time instead of sometimes now haha
Cheers

[wally.aussie]

gday thunderbolt;

if ya want a cab for it send me a pm as i have the back window panel and a good roof top. cheers wally

[harry]

interesting car you have.
yours has the same tail lights as mine and I have found a supplier on ebay that still has a few new old stock lamps left for sale, if you need to replace them.

[Thunderbolt]

interesting car you have.
yours has the same tail lights as mine and I have found a supplier on ebay that still has a few new old stock lamps left for sale, if you need to replace them.

Thanks Harry that's good to know. Do the tail lights have a special name?

[Thunderbolt]

I notice mine are wipac S.170 if you can post a link would be great. On another note one of my spare diff's has these power lock hubs, just wondering if anyone has experience with these? I'm happy enough without manual locking hubs so I don't know what I'm doing with these yet,
Cheers

[harry]

Thanks Harry that's good to know. Do the tail lights have a special name?


pm sent.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I notice mine are wipac S.170 if you can post a link would be great. On another note one of my spare diff's has these power lock hubs, just wondering if anyone has experience with these? I'm happy enough without manual locking hubs so I don't know what I'm doing with these yet,
CheersThe Wipac tail lamps were standard equipment from about 1967 to the end of SIIa production. I personally prefer them over the earlier (or later SIII/Defender) Lucas or Sparto lenses mainly because they have a larger lens area and therefore more noticeable (isn't that what you want for rear stop/tail lamps?)

Powerlock or S.U.E. hubs are something I would be getting rid of. Outside the problems of FWH, the SUE hubs have a two half moon cams (inside the slots you can see) that engage into a star shaped flange connected to the axle halfshaft. With both half circles to the outside, the star can turn inside the housing unlocking the hub. With either or both of the half circles turned in locked the star from rotating engaging the hub. The problem is that with only one cam locked all the weight of the drive was on a very small area of the housing and the housings were well known for failure. They are also an excessively large protruding hubs vulnerable to damage from rocks and gutters.

My recommendation, chuck them and fit original flanges. (They would not have been fitted by the PMG,)

[Thunderbolt]

Thanks for that they aren't on the car anyway, just on a spare diff i bought. I thought they looked a bit ungainly.
Cheers

[dandlandyman]

I think I have an ex-PMG vehicle too, but it's a 73 S3. I really don't have anything more to go off than the fact that it's always been red and had a big gal steel Pantech on the back. I haven't recorded the chassis number yet and I'll have to get someone else to post some photos of it for me (Luddite).

The Pantech was removed by a previous owner so, since I don't have a good tray to put on it, I'm fitting a body tub which I got off a rusted-out ex-NT Government Survey S2A just to make it a useful ute.

Dan.
69 2A 88" pet4 (still in disguise), 68 2B FC pet6 (still resting quietly), 74 S3 109" pet4, plus 31 other parts/project cars.

[Thunderbolt]

Hi Dan, I'd say a Landy is a good car for a Luddite lol. There is a post on here from Shonky with some pics of what looks like s3 PMG cars from back in the day. Mines got the same tail light set up but if yours had a pantech on it I suppose you haven't got tail lights anymore.I wonder if that was original?
Cheers

[Phil B]

What a great thread !!
Very interesting history Diana.

Please keep it going along with the resto Thunderbolt.
Regards,
Phil.

[pk.hoarder]

Powerlock or S.U.E. hubs are something I would be getting rid of. Outside the problems of FWH, the SUE hubs have a two half moon cams (inside the slots you can see) that engage into a star shaped flange connected to the axle halfshaft. With both half circles to the outside, the star can turn inside the housing unlocking the hub. With either or both of the half circles turned in locked the star from rotating engaging the hub. The problem is that with only one cam locked all the weight of the drive was on a very small area of the housing and the housings were well known for failure. They are also an excessively large protruding hubs vulnerable to damage from rocks and gutters.

My recommendation, chuck them and fit original flanges. (They would not have been fitted by the PMG,)

I agree with that - my IIA still has these and they are awful for coming unlocked when you really need them. Once unlocked they can be near impossible to lock them again. I pulled mine apart and the cams were worn, will replace them with a different type of FWH.

It seems they are an American design made under licence by Shute Upton - original design Cutlas Tool, Illinois. There is an article on them here Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Hubs But Were Afraid to Ask (http://www.cj3apage.com/index/Tech_Tips/everything_you_ever_wanted_to_kn.htm)

[Thunderbolt]

Hi all, just been getting the guages to work reliably instead of every now and then haha. Thanks to the trusty multimeter I tracked it down to dirty contacts on the fuses, it didn't help when I kept getting zapped from the door every now and then and thinking there must be a live wire touching somewhere when in fact it was the thongs I was wearing ha! I noticed along the way that its got an LC head on it even though engine number indicates HC. The guy did say the head had work so I wonder if it was an exchange unit and no one paid attention. I notice the speedo has kmh stickers over the mph I wonder if the distance still reads miles? (The glass isn't busted just looks like in photo) and does anyone know how to stop these type mirrors flopping around? (See photo)
Cheers