Llams switches preferred locations in D4

[LRD414]

I am arranging for Davis Performance to supply & install Llams in my MY14 D4. I'm also getting them to install Redarc Tow Pro (headlight binnacle mount).

I haven't found too much info on where people are mounting the current version of the Llams switches in D4's. Most info is for D3's.

So far it seems that a good location for dial is small panel right side of steering wheel, adjacent headlight switch but would appreciate thoughts/options/etc. Not sure for LED.

Davis are quite happy to take customer's advice (within reason) regarding mounting.

Cheers,
Scott

PS ... I posted this under Llams in Verandah but realised it should be here due to being a general question.

[dmdigital]

Mine is on the steering column where the control would be for the electric steering adjustment. I find I don't need to look at it and it's easy to reach.

[Jimlr]

Wack the llams in the left hand 12v socket next to terrain response, and the redarc head unit in the 12v hole to the right of the terrain response. Jobs a good un;). You may need to fabricate something to bridge the 12v socket holes. Circular piece of plastic, for example.
Console is an easy remove to access said holes - just pull up from the back edge.

[TerryO]

My Llams controller is fitted in the drivers side 12v (cig lighter) hole like Jimlr recommended. Works a treat there, just had a Tow Pro fitted as well, as you said up on the headlight binnacle is the go.

[LRD414]

My Llams controller is fitted in the drivers side 12v (cig lighter) hole like Jimlr recommended. Works a treat there, just had a Tow Pro fitted as well, as you said up on the headlight binnacle is the go.

Terry and Jim, can you fit the LED switch in with controller at 12v socket?

I guess it depends on lead length.

Cheers,
Scott

[lpj]

My Llams controller is fitted in the drivers side 12v (cig lighter) hole like Jimlr recommended. Works a treat there, just had a Tow Pro fitted as well, as you said up on the headlight binnacle is the go.

So is mine in my MY12. I can also remove it later and put it all back to standard if required.

[sniegy]

LHS of steering wheel binnacle, i find the best spot.
In the spot where you would otherwise have electric column controls, if you have them then the other side.

Cheers

[sctsprin]

RHS 12v socket

[Bytemrk]

Mine is on the steering column where the control would be for the electric steering adjustment. I find I don't need to look at it and it's easy to reach.


This is where mine is located too.

[Selwyn]

I installed in centre console

[Jimlr]

LHS of steering wheel binnacle, i find the best spot.

In the spot where you would otherwise have electric column controls, if you have them then the other side.



Cheers


The flat round bit on the left of the steering wheel binnacle, presumably where the electric steering column controls go - is it removable, does it just clip/pop out? If it's just a pop out circle of plastic, is a new one available as a spare part?

[sniegy]

Hi Mate,
No it is a moulded piece of plastic with a circle in it. :o
No pop out unfortunately.

[LRD414]

To close the loop on this one, I went with LHS of steering column for Llams and headlight binnacle for Tow Pro. Happy with accessibility and visibility for both. Thanks to everyone for input and ideas and particularly to Graeme for answering detailed questions about the Llams dial. It's true that you don't really need to see it, quite intuitive to use almost straight away.

[Redback]

I put my switch here on our D4, I asked Graeme for a longer wire on the switch:BigThumb:

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Baz.

[Graeme]

Just send me a PM if a longer lead is needed.

[LRD414]

Recently completed a Llams install (didn't fit mine) and just wanted to post a couple of photos that may be of some use, particularly if mounting the rotary dial on the steering column shroud.

This one shows the three torx screws on the steering column shroud looking straight up. The 3rd one is not immediately obvious.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/01/453.jpg

When drilling the shroud for the rotary dial, I used the provided washer as a template.
Shown is a drill bit in the centre hole just to hold the washer in place before drilling the two smaller holes.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/01/454.jpg

I think the washer could be used for mounting if the dial was located in
a cigarette plug socket but is not required in the steering column shroud.
Perhaps this is obvious but I hadn't seen it mentioned previously.

Final result looks like this:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/11/339.jpg

Mode switch mounted in webbing piece under the steering column adjuster. Drilled a 7mm hole and pushed switch through.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/11/340.jpg


Happy now that I've actually installed one. Was a bit scared in the early days but didn't need to be. It is as straightforward as many others have said, although a little fiddly to get the loom plugs to release using my soft office-worker hands.

Regards,
Scott

[Tombie]

I'm surprised how many people here sacrifice a 12v outlet :o

[Bytemrk]

Mine is mounted in the same position as Scotts photos above.

I find it neat and tidy and easy to operate.

[l00kin4]

Just on a slight tangent to this, about to install LLAMS and wondering where people positioned/ mounted the LLAMS control module box?
Did you mount it on something or is it sitting in behind the steering column cover panel?
I was thinking of using a cable tie to attach it in the opening behind the cover panel, just to secure it.
Appreciate any input.
Thanks,
David

[Tombie]

As per the instructions the box has Velcro attached and is then stuck to the back of the suspension ECU in the vehicle.

The wiring loom is only long enough to allow this location.

[LRD414]

I was thinking of using a cable tie to attach it in the opening behind the cover panel, just to secure it.
Mine didn't have Velcro but did have some double-sided tape.
So I zip-tied one end of the box to an existing hole behind the cover panel, along with sticking it down with the double-sided tape.
The instructions I had didn't mention attaching to suspension ECU or anywhere else but that would be nicely out of harms way, if a little difficult to do perhaps.

Scott

[l00kin4]

Mine didn't have Velcro but did have some double-sided tape.
So I zip-tied one end of the box to an existing hole behind the cover panel, along with sticking it down with the double-sided tape.
The instructions I had didn't mention attaching to suspension ECU or anywhere else but that would be nicely out of harms way, if a little difficult to do perhaps.

Scott


Thanks Scott, same for me, although no double sided tape either. If it was in the instructions I wouldn't have asked... ;)
David

[Tombie]

Thinking back I had double sided tape but switched to Velcro because you can remove it easily to reset/recalibrate.

[Graeme]

Sticking to the suspension ecu didn't last because the suspension ecu got too hot causing the tape to fall off, so these days no tape is supplied. A cable-tie could be fitted through one or both holes in the end tabs but the box seems to sit well unrestrained on the ledge to the left of the opening although Velco could be used to hold it there.

[D4206]

Fitted the LLAMS Unit. Pretty easy to install. Mounted both controller and red push button on the RHS steering column.

When the car is on access level and I turn the controller to low the car drops, but I get an error message on the dash... Is this normal?

Also don't really understand what the red push button does? Doesn't seem to have any effect on the height? Have re-read the instructions but still a bit confused?

Cheers,
Bill.

[l00kin4]

IIRC Pressing the red button when in Access drops the vehicle pretty much to bump stops so error messages normal but not an issue. How to use the button is outlined in the notes in the instructions:

3. EXTRA LOWmode changes the LOW setting to ?HIGH (lowers by off-road difference). The vehicle will lower to or close to the bump stops when used in Access mode. This may be incompatible with pre MY07-update vehicles and cause faults.

To enable, set the Llams height switch to LOW then momentarily press the MODE button. The module LED will be green.

To disable, momentarily set the Llams height switch to MEDIUM.

4. RECOVERY (EXTRAHIGH) mode allows off-road height to be achieved when the suspension has lowered to the 'safe? heightof about access height. MEDIUM provides normal height and HIGH providesoff-road height.

To enable, set the Llams height switch to HIGH then momentarily press the MODE button. The module LED will be red.

To disable, momentarily set the Llamsheight switch to LOW.

5. FADE-OUT mode can be used to limit additional height at extreme articulation in an attempt toovercome suspension faults that have occurred whilst using Llams MEDIUM or HIGH in conjunction with off-road height or when using RECOVERY mode whilst the suspension is not in safe mode. To enable, set the Llams height switch to MEDIUM then momentarily press the MODE button. Themodule LED will be orange. FADE-OUT can be used with RECOVERY mode, eitherbefore or after RECOVERY mode is enabled. If RECOVERY mode is enabled after FADE-OUT then the module LED will be red, as the module LED indicates the mostrecent special mode enabled. To disable FADE-OUT, momentarily set the Llams height switch to LOW. Note that RECOVERY mode will be disabled at the same timeif it had also been enabled.

6. LOCKED mode prevents height changes via the Llams height switch even though the LED indicates otherwise.

Locked mode is also used when calibrating using default values.

To enable, set Llams height switch OFF then momentarily press the MODE button. The module LED will flash red and green.

To disable, momentarily press the MODE button again orenable another special mode.

David

[Graeme]

Using extra low (low+red button) with access height on MY12+ vehicles will likely trigger an extended mode message and the vehicle may start to raise. This will occur because for MY12 the shock bump-stops were increased and when the vehicle wont go lower because Llams has altered the height signals, the suspension ecu thinks that the vehicle has lowered onto an obstacle. Use low with access height for minimum height on MY12+ D4.

The bonus of the higher bump-stops is that larger tyres will not scrape the guard liners nearly so badly as earlier D4s if the suspension drops to the bump-stops.

[D4206]

Thanks for the responses Graeme & David, think I need to sit in the car with the instructions and go through all the settings a few times..
Cheers,
Bill

[LRD414]

think I need to sit in the car with the instructions and go through all the settings a few times..

Bill, majority of the time and in most situations you only need the rotary dial. The red mode button is only needed for special situations as per what David posted earlier. This is why I keep a printed copy of those mode button settings in the car, difficult to remember when rarely used.

The typical use of the rotary dial to select a preferred height is pretty intuitive. I just think of it as an offset to whatever factory height you have active. Thus with Llams you have 3 offsets available at any time, one lower and two higher.

Obviously some combinations make no practical sense, eg factory Offroad Height combined with Llams Low is pointless.
And two combinations put you relatively close to suspension travel limits, namely Access Height + Llams Low or Offroad Height + Llams High.
Either of these can reach a limit and alarm accordingly (bump stops and fully extended respectively).

Not sure if all that waffling helps or is more confusing[emoji51]

Cheers,
Scott

[D4206]

Thanks Scott. It is becoming clearer as I play with the settings.[emoji106]

[LRDisco_Fever]

Hey Bill, I my Llams is on the way! I'm installing in the same spot as you becuase I have elec steering adjust. Was it relitivly easy to get to that spot? Any tips?

[D4206]

Hey Bill, I my Llams is on the way! I'm installing in the same spot as you becuase I have elec steering adjust. Was it relitivly easy to get to that spot? Any tips?



It was just a matter of undoing the 3 screw fixings on the underside of the steering column plastic cover, then prising apart the top and bottom plastic sections. I didn't fully remove the bottom section.. Just rotated it down so I could see the available space between it and the steering column to select the spot to drill the hole for the dial and push button switch..(to ensure no obstructions behind) The cables were easy to feed past the steering column when the plastic covers were apart.

Cheers,
Bill

[Nod]

I installed in the same place as have the electric column. Put the red button in the recommended spot as don't want to accidentally push.

[Mungus]

Or for even more piece of mind, put the red button here;


http://www.aulro.com/afvb/l319-discovery-3-4/239320-llams.html#post2570011