Auto-safe half-height cargo barrier

[lpj]

Hi there,

I was down at Autosafe today getting measured up for a cargo barrier. It will have to be customised because of the draw system that I finally got finished before Christmas.

The guy said that it would be connected back to some anchor points at the back, underneath the trim that houses the rear light. I thought they used the grab handles to anchor to but forgot to ask about it at the time.

Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated. I want to be able to remove and refit as required.

MY12 SE

LPJ

[jon3950]

They use a couple of holes underneath the trim on the roof just inside the upper the tailgate - the bit that the interior light is in. A couple of short arms stick out between the trim and the roof lining. It's very neat and nothing visible if removed.

Cheers,
Jon

[lpj]

Cool. Thanks Jon!

[stray dingo]

Where they go under the trim, mine have bolts there allowing for the barrier to be easily removed again without the trim being removed.

[AnD3rew]

Yep as above, very easy to remove and refit, takes about 10 minutes to remove and maybe 15 to refit.

As a hint it is easiest to remove it through the rear passenger door rather than try and get it out through the back.

[shorty]

Hi all,

Anyone happy to share the costs you are getting these at? Best price I can find over here in Perth for a half height is $650 (supply only).

Also another question - does the barrier have holes to allow for child seat restraints to pass through the barrier?

Cheers,

Matt

[cjc_td5]

Hi all,

Anyone happy to share the costs you are getting these at? Best price I can find over here in Perth for a half height is $650 (supply only).

Also another question - does the barrier have holes to allow for child seat restraints to pass through the barrier?

Cheers,

Matt

Hi Matt.
I am paying $625 (plus fitting) for a full height barrier in Bunbury. When I priced a half height barrier a couple of months ago, it was about the same price. I spoke to Autosafe in Melbourne who said that the half height barrier used the same frame as the full barrier, they just don't install the mesh in the lower area.

It was not worth me specifically ordering a half height barrier. I am getting a full barrier installed and then I intend to cut out a lower section in the centre and fold down the centre seat only when required.

The child seat restraints are in the back of the rear seats, so the belts do not need to go through the barrier itself.

[lpj]

I'm paying 550 for the half height which excludes fitting. That's directly from Autosafe in Boronia. I elected to fit myself so I can get familiar with re-fit and removal.

I believe it was to be around 620 fitted.

[TerryO]

There is a full Milford barrier for sale brand new in the 'Markets' section for less last time I checked.

[PKD4]

They use a couple of holes underneath the trim on the roof just inside the upper the tailgate - the bit that the interior light is in. A couple of short arms stick out between the trim and the roof lining. It's very neat and nothing visible if removed.

Cheers,
Jon

Hi All,

I am going to order one of these but as there is no 'installer' nearby I will have to do so myself.

In preparation, I have had a bit of a 'fiddle' with the plastic trim inside the upper tailgate that the light is in. I am not too keen to force it in the wrong direction.

Anyone got any tips on the best way of removing it to get to the holes for the short arms to screw into.

Thanks in advance,

Pat

[rufusking]

Looks pretty straight forward, 7 clips holding it up. Start at one end and slowly lever it down. If you have one of those plastic crowbar type trim removal tools slip that behind and lever it down.

[Plane Fixer]

Pat,
Give me a call and I will give you a hand. You can look at mine and see how the trim comes off as I have a barrier fitted.
Cheers, Graeme

[PKD4]

Cheers Graeme,
I will order the barrier and give you a ring to come and have a look at it is done. Thank you.
Pat

[Jimlr]

I've just been informed that holes for the top mount for this barrier need to be DRILLED into the car, even though there are 4 existing holes at various spacing's already located in the cross member running under the light cover trim ....I was shocked and surprised, I thought this was a fully no-drill option.

Could someone confirm? Pix if poss.

Thank heaps.

[PKD4]

Hi Jimlr,

I recently installed mine and it is not so much 'drilling' but enlarging a pre-existing hole.

Hard to send pics of holes as they are all covered by the roof light trim.

I am no major mechanic/handyman and managed it ok. I was most concerned about breaking the plastic trim cover as I took it off.

Hope that clarifies a little.

Pat

[Jimlr]

Thanks Pat, that helps and makes some more sense.

From looking at the brackets, they look to use the outer pair of holes in that crossmember, and its those that need enlarging I assume. The other solution would be to use a smaller bolt??...but would probably lead to allsorts of litigation/insurance issues in today's day and age...hmmm....

[PKD4]

Thanks Pat, that helps and makes some more sense.

From looking at the brackets, they look to use the outer pair of holes in that crossmember, and its those that need enlarging I assume. The other solution would be to use a smaller bolt??...but would probably lead to allsorts of litigation/insurance issues in today's day and age...hmmm....


I thought about the smaller bolt option as well and came to the same conclusion. The barrier is there for safety -why compromise it in any way.

And it wasn't hard to enlarge the holes.

Pat

[Redback]

This is what I'm looking at, TRAV-ALL, only downside is, you can't attach things to it, which doesn't affect us anyway, as we won't be attaching things to it.

We like it because it's easy to fit and remove, from the outside, which means if the rear door latch fails, we can still access the back of the car.

https://www.travall.com.au/land-rover/travall-dog-guard-tdg1299

Baz.

[lpj]

This is what I'm looking at, TRAV-ALL, only downside is, you can't attach things to it, which doesn't affect us anyway, as we won't be attaching things to it. We like it because it's easy to fit and remove, from the outside, which means if the rear door latch fails, we can still access the back of the car. https://www.travall.com.au/land-rover/travall-dog-guard-tdg1299 Baz.

I like it for all the reasons you have mentioned. Having started this thread about the auto safe half-height barrier, I actually went down there and had my car measured up with my drawers system installed, but they never got back to me with an install date. Now that I have seen this, I'm glad they didn't.

[Jimlr]

Got the AutoSafe half height cargo barrier fitted recently.

As all above have said, rear roof trim panel comes off easily, simple to enlarge the 2 holes by the required 2mm each - they are existing holes that are 400mm apart, that already go through the roof headlining itself. Use a drill stop!

Here are some pics to add to the mix, showing the detail of the rear upper fixings (looking backwards from inside the car), and one showing the lower fixings. See where the trim panel flexes a little to allow the bracket through - it wouldn't if you decided not to push in those 3 clips along that edge - the trim would still hold fine - but i decided to push all the clips home.

Couldn't be happier with the product. Hope it helps someone.

[TuffRR]

This is what I'm looking at, TRAV-ALL, only downside is, you can't attach things to it, which doesn't affect us anyway, as we won't be attaching things to it.

We like it because it's easy to fit and remove, from the outside, which means if the rear door latch fails, we can still access the back of the car.

https://www.travall.com.au/land-rover/travall-dog-guard-tdg1299

Baz.


I recently installed one. Very quick delivery from the UK, and very happy with the product. Seems very sturdy and well made.

[Redback]

I recently installed one. Very quick delivery from the UK, and very happy with the product. Seems very sturdy and well made.


Excellent, just what I wanted to hear.

[Nicky]

Look here
Dog Guard Full Length (Genuine Part # VUB501170 ) - Land Rover dog guards from Atlantic British (http://www.roverparts.com/Parts/VUB501170G)
No drilling required, easy to fit and remove, protects middle-row seat backs.
from dogs/cargo. Very sturdy!

[Redback]

Look here
Dog Guard Full Length (Genuine Part # VUB501170 ) - Land Rover dog guards from Atlantic British (http://www.roverparts.com/Parts/VUB501170G)
No drilling required, easy to fit and remove, protects middle-row seat backs.
from dogs/cargo. Very sturdy!

Half barriers is the concenses I think;)

[letherm]

I recently installed one. Very quick delivery from the UK, and very happy with the product. Seems very sturdy and well made.

I'm interested in this.

How does it stay in place/install?

Martin

[Redback]

I'm interested in this.

How does it stay in place/install?

Martin

Here


https://youtu.be/Lzq0xFg4T1k

[Redback]

Trav-all ordered last night.

[LRD414]

I recently installed one

Trav-all ordered last night.

Photos in the D4 would be appreciated when you get the chance.
The video is pretty good but not of a D4 and there's only a couple of website photos.
Interested in how it sits in, as I would potentially use it with the rear drawers in place.

Scott

[TuffRR]

Will try to get photos over the weekend. D4 all packed and ready to play in the alps for its maiden voyage....

[Kevin King]

I bought a Travall Cargo Barrier and Divider for my Discovery about five years ago. It really was such a great fit and really no big problems installing it. The one thing I found was that in the fitting process, somewhere along the line I lost a small component and I looked and looked!

Eventually, I contacted the company and they were fantastic and sent over the missing piece within a week.

The guard and divider were in the Discovery when I sold it. They really were strong and well made. I know one thing for sure, it made travelling in a Landy that much easier. I didn't have to worry about things flying around the back of the car.

Sure it is expensive but to be honest, it's worth it. It lasted many years and had no problems with it once it was fitted. I think they have new products, I am not sure, but if you want, have a look at their site:
http://bit.ly/1VuvXdy

I haven't bought a barrier for my Evoque yet but I will.

So yes, I give my endorsement of Travall products!

[TuffRR]

Took some photos over the weekend of the Travall installed. Hope these are helpful...

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32643592/20151002_135824 (Medium).jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32643592/20151002_135831 (Medium).jpg

[LRD414]

Well that was fast. Delivery from the UK remarkably quick and installation very easy. Only had the idea two weeks ago from this thread!

It fits well with my Drifta rear drawer unit already in place, as you can see in the photos.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/10/554.jpg


In this photo you can see how the barrier is held in place.
Note the rod that goes down to the rear tie-down point which in my case is shared with the rear drawers that are held down using turnbuckles to the tie-downs.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/10/555.jpg


And finally, looking towards the front from tailgate you can see the other mounting bar that simply rests on the pillar.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/10/556.jpg


Seems a good sturdy product that is a neat fit.

Cheers,
Scott

[Stuart02]

the travall.com.au site is clear about the barriers not having been tested to Australian Standards but is there any indication of their rating in other markets? They certainly don't look as robust as a Milford etc but probably lighter too, and obviously any kind of mesh cage is way better than none!

Has anyone put one in a RRS? Cheers!

[cjc_td5]

Hi Matt.
I am paying $625 (plus fitting) for a full height barrier in Bunbury. When I priced a half height barrier a couple of months ago, it was about the same price. I spoke to Autosafe in Melbourne who said that the half height barrier used the same frame as the full barrier, they just don't install the mesh in the lower area.

It was not worth me specifically ordering a half height barrier. I am getting a full barrier installed and then I intend to cut out a lower section in the centre and fold down the centre seat only when required.

The child seat restraints are in the back of the rear seats, so the belts do not need to go through the barrier itself.

Its been a while but I got around to taking a few photos of my modified barrier today as I had the barrier out while I used the rear seats. Whilst I do not have any drawers to cater for, I wanted a "half height" or similar hole so I could still carry long items when required.

I bought a full height barrier which came with the frame as shown. All I had to do was cut out the mesh in the lower hole and I also welded up a few mesh rods to the frame so it was all solid again. I gave it a new coat of paint as the cutting and welding damaged the paint and it was easier to give it all a fresh coat rather than trying to match the original grey colour. I believe that the factory Autosafe barrier has the same cut out when requested.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=101095&stc=1&d=1445780511

Anyway, works for me.... :D:D

Cheers,
Chris

[Redback]

I also got around to installing the TRAV-ALL, looks pretty solid, very easy to install and very fast delivery from England.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/bazzar/D4%20and%20Amarok/IMG_2078_zpsizv2aa3l.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/bazzar/media/D4%20and%20Amarok/IMG_2078_zpsizv2aa3l.jpg.html)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/bazzar/D4%20and%20Amarok/IMG_2077_zpsawoqds6h.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/bazzar/media/D4%20and%20Amarok/IMG_2077_zpsawoqds6h.jpg.html)

[DoubleDisco]

the travall.com.au site is clear about the barriers not having been tested to Australian Standards but is there any indication of their rating in other markets?

I wondered about this as well as I'm thinking of getting one.

I checked the .com and .co.uk Travall websites and there is no mention of them meeting any standards (that I could see).

I just had a quick google and found this document :
http://www.fta.co.uk/export/sites/fta/_galleries/downloads/loading_of_vehicles/technical_reference_on_cargo_restraint.pdf

Page 52 mentions a few standards for "Partitioning Systems" including AS/NZS 4034.

If I get time over the weekend I'll have a proper investigation and might shoot an email off to the Travall Head Office and ask the question.

Cheers

Adam

[Timmy]

I bit the bullet and ordered one yesterday, says it's arriving 10th Nov!
Mine will actually be for keeping the dog in the back, but also light loading when camping for things such as pillows and sleeping bags (the last thing packed).

[LandyAndy]

A hint for you guys that install these.
Get some of that plastic that they make cafe blinds out of and line it.It improves the effeciency of the aircon no end.Well it did in my black D2;););););)
Andrew

[DoubleDisco]

I received a very quick reply from Travall regarding what standards the barriers conform to.......

Thank you for your email.
The design of our dog guards complies with standard ECE R17, and that ASG Group, parent company of Travall and manufacturer of the dog guards, complies with ISO standards ISO9001:2008, ISO14001:2004 and ISO/TS16949: 2009.

You can find more information about this in the following link:

Quality Assurance | ASG Group | (http://www.asg-group.co.uk/quality/)

Our dog guard can be used as a barrier but as it is stated on our website please note that it has not been tested to Australian Standard 4034.2:2008.

I hope this helps.

For more information, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Kind Regards,

[xoph44]

I was very impressed with the photo's and descriptions posted regarding the Travall Guard.

I was even more impressed when the guard I ordered Friday evening arrived this morning - less than 5 days from Derby, UK through Germany, France, US, Sydney, Melbourne to rural South Gippsland!

It often takes longer for something to arrive just from Melbourne!

Installed in less than 30 minutes, very happy thus far. :D:D

[Timmy]

I will echo the above comments!

Ordered Friday, arrived and installed yesterday! Fits well, feels solid, exactly what I'm after 😊

[Redback]

I received a very quick reply from Travall regarding what standards the barriers conform to.......

Thank you for your email.
The design of our dog guards complies with standard ECE R17, and that ASG Group, parent company of Travall and manufacturer of the dog guards, complies with ISO standards ISO9001:2008, ISO14001:2004 and ISO/TS16949: 2009.

You can find more information about this in the following link:

Quality Assurance | ASG Group | (http://www.asg-group.co.uk/quality/)

Our dog guard can be used as a barrier but as it is stated on our website please note that it has not been tested to Australian Standard 4034.2:2008.

I hope this helps.

For more information, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Kind Regards,


That standard is for attaching objects to the barrier, it does mention this on their website.

[jonesy63]

I wonder if it would stop a 95kg great dane from flying through it? :D

[Timmy]

I can try with my 40kg Wolfhound Cross a couple of times in a row? That should make 95kg? :banghead:

[LRD414]

That standard is for attaching objects to the barrier, it does mention this on their website.
I have a copy of the full standard because my work has an access subscription to all Australian Standards. In addition to requirements for attaching objects to the barrier, AS4034 also covers testing requirements so that a barrier can have a rated capacity in kg's.

There are a number of test methods but essentially AS4034 defines how much a barrier can deform or be penetrated under test conditions. Options include a sled test, ram test or a dropped object test. The testing is aiming to represent a deceleration event that is referenced to ADR69, which is for full frontal impacts.

There are a few other aspects also covered, such as how big gaps can be between the barrier and vehicle sides, relationship to child restraints, etc.

So I believe the Trav-All would be likely to meet the requirements of the standard for a relatively low rated capacity (my opinion only). However, I guess the expense for the manufacturer would not be justifiable compared to the potential market in Australia.

I think my 20kg Kelpie won't deform it too much. Or the roll mats and pillows when loaded for camping.

Cheers,
Scott

[DoubleDisco]

I took the plunge and bought the travall barrier as well.
Purchased Sunday pm and it was on my doorstep by Thursday lunch time. Very impressive indeed!

Installed it this afternoon inbetween the downpours, propably took about 30mins.
Very pleased with the results. No issues with fitting child seat after the install

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[Stuart02]

RRS install pics anyone? The website pics make it look much less neat than the Disco version

[BSM]

I'm thinking about getting one of those Travall barriers.

How do people find them? Would they be able to hold a load of camping gear in the rear in the event of a sudden stop?

[LRD414]

I'm thinking about getting one of those Travall barriers.
How do people find them? Would they be able to hold a load of camping gear in the rear in the event of a sudden stop?
It all depends on the weight of the load being restrained and the speed of an impact or sudden stop.
The Travall is not compliant with AS4034 but is compliant with ECE R17.
This European standard covers protection of occupants by barriers and sets down testing requirements, which are similar to AS4034.

I'm quite happy to use mine to restrain light gear such as roll mats, pillows, clothing and sleeping bags.
It's well made and very easy to use (I don't leave it fitted all the time).

ECE R17 can be found *<here>* (http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs1-20.html) (you need to go to the "17" tab)
And here's a Travall video showing crash testing. It's not an exhaustive technical presentation covering all scenarios but does give an idea.
https://youtu.be/VlUGU8IllGA

Cheers,
Scott

[letherm]

I'm thinking about getting one of those Travall barriers.

How do people find them? Would they be able to hold a load of camping gear in the rear in the event of a sudden stop?

I had a Milford barrier installed originally and have recently taken it out and installed the Travall barrier. Main reason was the half height convenience, being able to use the full length by dropping the 2nd row seats and the ability to remove and reinstall it quickly and easily. I mainly use it as a dog restraint but believe it will do the job if something flies into it. My main driving is city stuff but I would reinstall the Milford if I was doing a trip with a lot of gear - I think it would be better than the Travall from a safety viewpoint. The reason for that opinion is the size of the holes - much smaller in the Milford so less chance of something with a small diameter passing through the barrier.

Martin